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Why must some insist on being revisionists of history. The history which is Prince. Some seem desperate to claim ownership or even possession of an Artist and a Beautiful Soul not theirs for the taking. Former bandmates are one of many individuals with whom Prince worked and interacted during his lifetime. However, this fact doesn't give license to revisionist self-serving ego based agenda. Freedom of speech have at it. Not everyone agrees with every word uttered out loud nor in print by former associates, friends and/or lovers. How many times must one harp on and bring the conversation back 'round to oneself or a relative? Maybe one is attemtping to convince oneself and validate oneself out of deep seeded anger resentment and insecurity. Agenda much.
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Agree. Watching the interview she seems intense and angry, even after all these years, and even says something like 'I was angry with him and wanted him to say thank you that was great' but some people won't have a single bad word said about her. | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
It didn't seem like she meant it that way. When I watched that she was more or less showing a side to the music industry and just the rollercoaster they went through and the 'role' they were assumed to play Maybe you didnt see that particular clip. When asked was she disappointed that she didnt become a star she clearly say yes and then explains that she wanted to be as big and important as the people she admires. Shes a musician and musicians have ambitions like everyone else. It seems that her career whilst it is fulfilling... fell short of her ultimate goal. . [Edited 7/11/17 7:24am] Baby, you're a star.
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That was one of my favorite Wendy moments with Prince; you could feel the camaraderie and good feelings btwn them. It was so, so sweet and memorable. | |
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She is just reflecting the time, and it isn't directed at Prince
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OldFriends4Sale said:
She is just reflecting the time, and it isn't directed at Prince
You can't seriously think it isn't directed at Prince. . Your defence and loyalty to Wendy, Lisa and Susannah knows no bounds, it's ridiculous | |
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Oh stop being so dodgy . Only a segment of the vid was about the break up the rest was about them navigating the industry after Prince . I defend 70% of them throught his career. 50% belongs to all of them between 1978-1989 I do take issue, being a connoisseur of Purple music, Andre Cymone and his 'I haven't listened to another Prince album since I left the band' quote
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Oh stop being so dodgy . Only a segment of the vid was about the break up the rest was about them navigating the industry after Prince . I defend 70% of them throught his career. 50% belongs to all of them between 1978-1989 I do take issue, being a connoisseur of Purple music, Andre Cymone and his 'I haven't listened to another Prince album since I left the band' quote
I see what you did there with dodgy - good work! Made me smile. . I see your point on Andre but it's so blatant if someone says the slightest negative thing about W&L&S you defend them doggedly even when it's clearly wrong. | |
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I defend them all. It just happens right now people are pissing at Wendy. It isn't clearly wrong. What did she do that was wrong. You just happen to look at it from you way of thinking and probably personal opinion of her. It doesn't make it wrong because you don't like her. | |
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I don't think that makes it sound like she's still angry at all. Her quote there is probably a direct response to a particular question, which might have been "How did you feel when you got fired?" . Then intensity? That's just her personality, it seems like. I don't really mind it, and it makes for a more interesting interview subject, but I've worked with people who are that intense, and it's uh ... pretty exhausting for me, personally. . I watched the videos, and it kinda looked like she choked up when she said she just wanted to get a thank you from him, and that she never got it. It's also a pretty normal thing for people to want -- a thank you from someone they spent years working with. I'd be pretty bummed if my boss literally never told me thank you for my work, or that he thought I was great at what I did. . But that's not everyone's love language. My husband shows you he loves you by doing things like, I dunno, pumping up my bike tires and charging my tail light so my ride into work is safer, rather than telling you he does all the time. But even knowing that and accepting that your way of communicating respect, love, thankfullness is different than another person, it can be tough. There's always that element of "I know you love me and appreciate me" but damn, it feels good to hear it. . In that Rolling Stone cover story, didn't Wendy and Lisa say that they told Prince they loved him all the time and that he never really knew what to say back? Sounds like they're the type of people who like to verbally communicate those feelings, and Prince just showed it by hiring you or putting your contributions on a record, or even giving you a writing credit every once in awhile. It's tough, and if they wanted that verbal "thank you" too, well, I think that's a really valid feeling. | |
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What is PURPLEIZED3121's agenda? | |
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She was pretty intense in the interview but who knows how long the doc team had with W&L, if they were the most intense answers, she was all riled up, and they used those answers cos they made the best TV? And like crimesofparis says, I thought that was just her, being open. I thought she just came across like she was talking passionately and unguardedly about what it meant to be a "sideman" to Prince - which I guess was the line of questioning for all the interviewees in the programme - what's it like supporting a star... And in that context, given that Prince didn't always give credit where credit was due (... I was just reading OF4S's great thread on Kiss) maybe a few raw nerves were touched during the course of the interview...
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I defend them all. It just happens right now people are pissing at Wendy. It isn't clearly wrong. What did she do that was wrong. You just happen to look at it from you way of thinking and probably personal opinion of her. It doesn't make it wrong because you don't like her. So because I gave my opinion on her interview and you don't agree you make the assumption I don't like her - now who's being dodgy. . So would that mean you dislike Andre because you don't agree with certain comments he made and now he's playing with the NPG. Like I said I see your point on that. . Maybe W&L&S are friends of yours, that would explain why you defend them at all costs. . Ie when you dismissed Prince's Ebony interview and comments on who The Beautiful Ones was about by saying it was invalid because of (speculative) 'pain meds and (very speculative) early Alzheimer's' because it didn't fit your narrative. I thought that was a low blow and disrespectful. | |
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No that was straight forward . I said what I said. I love Andre, but I have a real problem with what he said about not listening to any Prince albums after he left the band. There is no open interpretation to that. I could hate him or love him and what he said was simply that.
. oh boy here we go, are you stalking me? I don't remember you or know anything you've said outside of this thread. I'm dealing with U right here on this topic. Stay focused.
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I thought it was Lisa who said I wanted a thank you? | |
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I thought it was Lisa who said I wanted a thank you? Like no one has ever insinuated Prince could be an arrogant jerk before. | |
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wendy thinks this revolution tour will make her the rockstar she isnt???? | |
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See, what I don't get is the notion that PRince was that ungrateful but they still told him how much they loved him over and over again. Why?
Also,did he not tell the public about them? Did he not pubically state that they were very talented folks to the public (even the Purple Rain movie implies that.) Were they not focused on in that Rolling Stone cover. Wendy sounds a bit insecure if she needed him to tell her to her face. As for musical credits, he may have been inconsistent where this was concerned, but they were part of the Revolution band and when I was a kid (and almost completely clueless about Prince other than being a casual fan), I figured that prince and the Revolution were basically a band until Prince decided to go solo. I imagine a lot of casual fans assumed the same thing. To be honest, she and Revolution members were very kind on the liner notes,but from what I can gather from other interviews I have read, even though they acknowledge his talent, they don't seem to imply that they learned anything of musical value from him.
Wendy's resentment against the industry --- I get that. Reminding people that she contributed to certain things during PRince's peak (in books,interviews etc for the last 30 year), I get that. But does she realize how lucky she has been compared to other side men or side women? I was just looking up Michael Jackson songs and Man in the Mirror was written by people I have never even heard of. I knew who Wendy and Lisa were when I was a kid.
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i like Wendy. there. i said it | |
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Why did they tell him they loved him? I assume because they did! Not sure where they've called him ungrateful (not that I've read), just that he wasn't great at saying thank you. There's a big difference. Being non-verbal about love and respect doesn't mean you don't show it in other ways or that you don't feel that way. Don't you love a few people who are a little difficult? You can't like the people you love 24/7. . As far as Prince talking about the talent of the band members, I always laugh when I think about some interview I read with Prince where he's talking about the Revolution and he says good things about the musicianship of Mark, Lisa, and Fink, then the compliment he gives Bobby is that he's good at watching him and taking direction and that Wendy makes him look okay to the people out there or something along those lines. Damn! I'd be so bummed to be Bobby or Wendy after reading that, hah! . Of course, there's the other interview after Tavis where he says Wendy plays acoustic guitar with him better than anyone. But saying nice things about someone to a third party is sometimes easier than saying that to a person's face. . Wendy doesn't seem insecure to me. Some people will hear that interview and think she sounds needy and insecure, and someone else will say she's acting overly confident. Lady can't win. . I don't know what they think -- if they don't think they learned anything from Prince, that's a vibe I've never gotten. | |
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How many times have we seen famous family members talk about a departed loved one, and sometimes discuss some of the "darker" moments, while at the same time praising them? This is nothing...sure, she's being honest and letting you know that Prince ticked her off, but there is a LOT more negativity that she could be coming with. Am I the only one that remembers Prince's war with WB that was supposedly all about "artistic freedom" and artists rights, while at the same time he did everything in his power to stop his former associates from doing anything (FDeluxe and OriginalSe7ven anyone?). Sure Prince was the mastermind, but why you gotta be such a dick? I know he had his reasons and what have you, but still...that was ridiculous IMHO and he most definitely can be raked over the coals for that. And in this age of tolerance and what have you...how about Prince wanting to work with Wendy and Lisa again...but only if they publicly announce that they are not lesbians? Again...there is plenty she (and the others) could be bitching about. Just because she isnt out there screaming that Prince was perfect, that he shit rainbow unicorns, doesnt make her an ungrateful ass...she's just honest. I saw the Revolution in San Diego a few weeks ago...trust me...she LOVED that man. Make it so, Number One... | |
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I added more to my earlier response. YOu might want to read it.
As for the style in which Prince compliments, maybe they were talking about specific things in the interview.
All I know is that many people would give their right arms to be Emmy winning composers of tv scores or even to be on the cover of the Rolling Stone 30 years ago. Wendy and Lisa are doing well. I imagine that most of the time they do realize that. But sometimes, it does seem like folks are a bit jealous of Prince's success. Well, they at least get to live past the age of 57 with family and friends around them (whom they can trust) when they finally kick the bucket. Lisa's stated that she has back problems dating back to her days with the Revoluton. Not to diminish her pain, but does it really compare to the pain Prince experienced from years dancing his ass off in high heels.
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"Man in the Mirror" was co-written by Glen Ballard, right? I knew who that guy was when I was 12 -- but I always read album credits and was an Alanis fan. He produced Jagged Little Pill. . There's a singer/songwriter I like a lot named Neko Case, and she has a song called "I'm From Nowhere" that talks about life as a mucisian a bit. It has the line "You say I'm 'lucky to be here' But I've been driving for 21 days." . Yeah, there are lucky people in this industry and there are unlucky people. Clearly at least Lisa feels like they did a pretty good job. But they also worked really hard. To say someone's lucky to be in their position as a living musician is kind of an insult to two women who have been grinding their nose to the industry and working hard for close to 40 years. . And frankly, I think they had tough luck. Getting dropped by labels who didn't know what to do with them, thinking they were gonna get a break with some big producer who turned out to be a nightmare? I think their solo career was ahead of their time. Imagine if they'd come off of their time with Prince to a music business that was a little more female-friendly, like 1996 and Lilith Fair. . In short, yeah, I'm sure she knows she's lucky that Prince decided to make them a plot point in Purple Rain, but both of those women have worked really hard to have the post-Prince careers they've had. | |
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I do respect them for forgiving his homophobic crap around 2000 and maybe to a lesser extent in 2009. But did it ever occur to anyone that Prince made up for his behavior and earned their forgiveness? He did work with them again (on Planet Earth, in live performances) and I know they never renounced their lifestyles.
As for the Time and the Family, unless Wendy was angry for Susannah, it has nothing to do with the Revolution. And yes, I think he had his reasons.
Since when has Prince ever been above reproach. I would argue that reproach was in large supply where Prince was concerned when he was alive. Did many of these folks not feature in less in kind books about Prince while he was alive?
His associates seem to be above approach however. I don't get it.
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What is the problem now? She and others can do what they want now. If he was such a bad person she would not be praising him at all. She is not angel either and someone can talk about her so call "dark side" as well. So it works both ways. [Edited 7/11/17 19:55pm] | |
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Just because they've got all their limbs doesn't mean they didn't probably sacrifice a lot. Just doing their current tour they're sacrificing time with their families. Didn't Wendy miss her kid's birthday? Not to mention that they'd probably make more money scoring TV shows. . And just because they're still alive and have less awful physical pain doesn't mean their complaints are real, that they're now allowed to wish their solo careers had been better. That's like saying a woman can't complain about making less than a man because some poeple don't even have jobs. . Also, who wouldn't be a little jealous of Prince's success? You can be a little jealous and happy for someone at the same time. Happy that someone you love is doing well but also wanting that for yourself -- that feels really valid to me. | |
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None of them are above reproach...I just dont see why folks are so anti-Wendy. We've all heard the stories about Wendy being the one who always talked shit to Prince, always had an opinion that she vocalized...wasnt that the reason she was given the scene in Purple Rain? "I'm soooo tired of this....I'm really tired of it!" It's just Wendy being Wendy...
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