They aren't required to give anybody credit are they? As much as Jill has been complaining lately, I don't think there is much if anything she can do about this.

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Race baiting is using race/race card as a reason something happened.

Do U even own the Deluxe set?
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"Ohhh did you see that? he bumped into me because I'm black!!" ..dude he is blind

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You like this kind of stuff. Get's your blood going.

and therein lies how race baiting starts a shit storm

I am not race baiting.

I only was responding to self identification. One thing I have always loved about Prince is his inclusion of all people no matter race. He respected us all and encouraged that from all of us all the while respecting the differences.

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Respect and love for one for one another means acceptance of how people view themselves, no matter race, ethnicity, culture or sexual orientation.

THAT was my post.

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I do not promote baiting of any kind for any reason too much negative energy.

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I do believe in respecting people for whichever way they choose to self identify- I mentioned how she decided to self identify because of someone stating her partial blackness. My point was that.

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Much respect but no way do was I baiting; We all need to respect each other and take care of each other and as Prince used to always say have love for one another.

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There is enough hate in the world . We are our brother's keepers, we must love, respect, and enourage the positive.

Vashtix
I APOLOGIZE
I thought I was replying to someone else/another post

and got it mixed up

U R so cool with me

FlyOnTheWall said:

Goddess4Real said:

Do you think she will sue the estate etc?

Let's hope it doesn't come to that; however, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility. In a perfect world, the estate will meticulously credit and compensate any and all artists who participated in previously unreleased Prince music that will be newly released from The Vault. I'm not sure if it's any indication of intent, but if I'm not mistaken, I believe Jill did sign and share the petition.

Interestingly enough, this is Jill's new cover photo on her Facebook. Make of it what you will.

[Edited 6/29/17 23:57pm]

^^The image was no longer displaying, but I fixed that problem. Let's hope the photo is not removed again.

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

I doubt she owns any forms of copyrights, I mean she cant even get her solo CD released for real from 1987 because she does not own it. I mean if PRINCE didnt own his masters do we think JILL owned her copyrights to anything?? A lot of PRINCE's artists are not even credited, he himself recorded and wrote under different names, what's next, Morris Day sues Jamie Starr? There is so much uncredited stuff and things PRINCE did in the shadows back then and throughout his career, do you really think a label is going to actually dive into the insanity that PRINCE was doing? they could not even keep up with his albums now you want them to catalog the frigging vault.

--It is really not that hard to find out if she had the copyrights on something and yes it would be WB responsibility to research this stuff so lawsuits do not start flying. In fact Dave Hampton said when he was approached about the vault it was obvious that the powers that be did not understand the research and time it is going to take to work on the vault. People will sue if they are copyright holders. Even if Jill is not a copyright holder would it have been too much to ask for her input? What are they going to do when they get to 1999?

But would a label even know who she was? That is a bigger question, since JILL was not a big artist and even in the PRINCE world how often is her name on anything that he has done? I hardly ever hear her name come up in PRINCE conversations unless it is with the very loyal and even then its not often. The same can be said of Elisa Fiorillo who probably was on more than anyone that we know, but I am sure most of what she is on was never credited. Prince worked that way a lot early on it seems.

petalthecat said:

I don't get it. It's never bothered her in the past has it? If P was still here and releasing old material would she get credit? And if not would she fight him on the matter? All seems a bit opportunistic to me. I'm sure they knew the deal back then.

Prince did not release anything that she was on and if he had she would be entilted to receive credit or payment if she was a copyright holder. I am not sure if it has every occured to anyone that one of the reasons he may not have put out older material was the fact that he would have to actually split the profits with copyright holders or listen to people bitch about credit.

No releases no bitching or giving up money. You also have no way of knowing what was bothering her in the past.

[Edited 6/30/17 5:04am]

petalthecat said:

I don't get it. It's never bothered her in the past has it? If P was still here and releasing old material would she get credit? And if not would she fight him on the matter? All seems a bit opportunistic to me. I'm sure they knew the deal back then.

That is 100% true. Prince often used things and never credited those involved and I never heard all this fuss but now "because there is a lot" of light on these releases and Prince in death, everyone has to get their credit.

lastdecember said:

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said: --It is really not that hard to find out if she had the copyrights on something and yes it would be WB responsibility to research this stuff so lawsuits do not start flying. In fact Dave Hampton said when he was approached about the vault it was obvious that the powers that be did not understand the research and time it is going to take to work on the vault. People will sue if they are copyright holders. Even if Jill is not a copyright holder would it have been too much to ask for her input? What are they going to do when they get to 1999?

But would a label even know who she was? That is a bigger question, since JILL was not a big artist and even in the PRINCE world how often is her name on anything that he has done? I hardly ever hear her name come up in PRINCE conversations unless it is with the very loyal and even then its not often. The same can be said of Elisa Fiorillo who probably was on more than anyone that we know, but I am sure most of what she is on was never credited. Prince worked that way a lot early on it seems.

Any company that would work on reissues should do research. I also believe according to Dave Hampton there are logs stating who did what and when at Paisley Park and once again if someone took time to reach out to W+L why not Jill?

What are they going to do when 1999 comes along she is all over that record?

Elisa is credit for her work on Grafffi Bridge.

OldFriends4Sale said:

crimesofparis said:

laurarichardson said: On the lyric sheet/page does it not say "featuring?" Don't have mine in front of me but that's what I think I saw.

Under CD 1 Apollonia 6:Susan Brenda & Apollonia - patience wisdom & beauty

Jill - love

etc

Take Me With U

(duet with Apollonia)

Yes, in the lyrics it states duet with Apollonia but in the actual credits it states produced, arranged, composed and PERFORMED by Prince and the Revolution. Credits = $$$$$

Now, with the remaster(s) it would be interesting to go back and see if JJ and even Apples were even originally credited. If not, why come for the $$$ now???

laurarichardson said:

petalthecat said:

I don't get it. It's never bothered her in the past has it? If P was still here and releasing old material would she get credit? And if not would she fight him on the matter? All seems a bit opportunistic to me. I'm sure they knew the deal back then.

Prince did not release anything that she was on and if he had she would be entilted to receive credit or payment if she was a copyright holder. I am not sure if it has every occured to anyone that one of the reasons he may not have put out older material was the fact that he would have to actually split the profits with copyright holders or listen to people bitch about credit.

No releases no bitching or giving up money. You also have no way of knowing what was bothering her in the past.

[Edited 6/30/17 5:04am]

I think this is the most real thing I've read on this thread. Partially. I don't necessarily believe it was that he didn't want to split the profits, especially in later years. I just think that whole copyright question meant spending lots of time with lawyers and accountants, which he seemed to loathe doing. Perhaps he saw it as a headache best left for someone to sort out after his passing. The same can be said for his decision to not release many live performances/films. I have thought this for awhile. In fact, there was one interview where the question of The Vault came up. I recall reading where he hinted at that very thing, copyrights, saying something about having to deal with estates of people he recorded with, or something of this nature. I don't know if he had Miles Davis in mind or what. I'm going to try to track down that interview.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Let's hope it doesn't come to that; however, I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility. In a perfect world, the estate will meticulously credit and compensate any and all artists who participated in previously unreleased Prince music that will be newly released from The Vault. I'm not sure if it's any indication of intent, but if I'm not mistaken, I believe Jill did sign and share the petition.

Interestingly enough, this is Jill's new cover photo on her Facebook. Make of it what you will.

[Edited 6/29/17 23:57pm]

^^The image was no longer displaying, but I fixed that problem. Let's hope the photo is not removed again.

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Clue me in, what songs on the Deluxe edition should credit her? I don't believe she's on the original soundtrack album (or is she?)

I think I read she's on "We Can F*ck." Are there other missing credits?

Maybe she should have taken this up with Prince when he was alive.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know about race-baiting by Jill.

I don't know the process, and what was writte in those vaults.

Or if the estate checked with anyone about anything...That's a lot of people that he worked with...(There are link 2 major "NPGs"....And so on...That is a lot of people to keep track of).

I will say.....

I've applied to a job from a guy with a light fixture business. He called my for a phone interview, and then set a real one.

Based on my birth/given name...He probably did not know I was black--until the day of the real interview..

I was super-early---like 2 hours before.

I grabbed a snack at a store that was one block over from his business, and called him from my car afterwards to tell hhim that I was 10 minutes away (when really I just wanted a few more minutes to go over my notes, and look in my mirror).

I was already in this office-park parking-lot.

After that call...I saw "the boss" rushing out of his business, and throwing in suit case in his wife's car...

I actually laughed--because he was so racist... This was a hard labor job. Had I not been very early, I would not have seen him leave his business in the morning---than to hire me.

I had no cameraphone at the time...

I walk-in about 5 minutes until our appointment, and his desk clerk--is doing nothing but pure evil.. She's lyiing for him..."I know that you talked to him within the last 30 minutes, but he's gone for the day".

It was a pretty hard labor job--mixed-in with very-little techincal stuff that's I studied. Actually, I was over-qualified...

I did not expose this man...I "sucked-it-up" , and kept-on moving...There are more stories where wicked men like this will waste your time if your name is not "Urban" (or worse things that they may say about those names). If you say something about it, it's a "Card"...But isn't my complainging and labeling me for doing so, a "Card"?

Do not be shamed about callling these types out. In the 50-60s, anyone who took a stand was called, "a Commie" or "Communist". These days seem to be returning, and remixed with bogus, and pompous rhetoric and propaganda. Anybody study the Nazi's and their beginnings? Nobody wants to be the bad guy, and say, "I'm not going to be fair--because I'm looking-out for my own over your kind". I respect those who do, because they are not liars to an extreme. Where this man's business was, some of his clients were probably very wealthy black athletes and entertainers (but they just happy to be rich---they don't check for issues like these when they spend big $--with people who won't be fair to others over the lowest paying jobs).

Why not call a snake a serpent? You might save someone from being bit.

laurarichardson said:

lastdecember said:

laurarichardson said:

Any company that would work on reissues should do research. I also believe according to Dave Hampton there are logs stating who did what and when at Paisley Park and once again if someone took time to reach out to W+L why not Jill?

What are they going to do when 1999 comes along she is all over that record?

Elisa is credit for her work on Grafffi Bridge.

Honestly I really don't think WB did anything here I think they released what he wanted and how he wanted it out, he signed off on PR remaster and the demos and mixes and edits were all in WB possession from ages ago given by Prince it's fair to say, I think they put out what they had and credited it with how he credited it.

They pulled material from their vault not Prince's vault and I doubt he would have been okay with songs that had nothing to do with the movie being on the project.

Remember he said he saw albums like movies with all the songs going together.

Linn4days said:

I don't know about race-baiting by Jill.

I don't know the process, and what was writte in those vaults.

Or if the estate checked with anyone about anything...That's a lot of people that he worked with...(There are link 2 major "NPGs"....And so on...That is a lot of people to keep track of).

I will say.....

I've applied to a job from a guy with a light fixture business. He called my for a phone interview, and then set a real one.

Based on my birth/given name...He probably did not know I was black--until the day of the real interview..

I was super-early---like 2 hours before.

I grabbed a snack at a store that was one block over from his business, and called him from my car afterwards to tell hhim that I was 10 minutes away (when really I just wanted a few more minutes to go over my notes, and look in my mirror).

I was already in this office-park parking-lot.

After that call...I saw "the boss" rushing out of his business, and throwing in suit case in his wife's car...

I actually laughed--because he was so racist... This was a hard labor job. Had I not been very early, I would not have seen him leave his business in the morning---than to hire me.

I had no cameraphone at the time...

I walk-in about 5 minutes until our appointment, and his desk clerk--is doing nothing but pure evil.. She's lyiing for him..."I know that you talked to him within the last 30 minutes, but he's gone for the day".

It was a pretty hard labor job--mixed-in with very-little techincal stuff that's I studied. Actually, I was over-qualified...

I did not expose this man...I "sucked-it-up" , and kept-on moving...There are more stories where wicked men like this will waste your time if your name is not "Urban" (or worse things that they may say about those names). If you say something about it, it's a "Card"...But isn't my complainging and labeling me for doing so, a "Card"?

Do not be shamed about callling these types out. In the 50-60s, anyone who took a stand was called, "a Commie" or "Communist". These days seem to be returning, and remixed with bogus, and pompous rhetoric and propaganda. Anybody study the Nazi's and their beginnings? Nobody wants to be the bad guy, and say, "I'm not going to be fair--because I'm looking-out for my own over your kind". I respect those who do, because they are not liars to an extreme. Where this man's business was, some of his clients were probably very wealthy black athletes and entertainers (but they just happy to be rich---they don't check for issues like these when they spend big $--with people who won't be fair to others over the lowest paying jobs).

Why not call a snake a serpent? You might save someone from being bit.

Co-sign.

laurarichardson said:

Linn4days said:

I don't know about race-baiting by Jill.

Co-sign.

About time

Prince re-signed with WB, he wouldn't have re-signed if he wasn't happy with the deal.

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

cant she make money some other way?? a job?

It's not her music, she doesn't own it. Besides she'll need a ton of $$ to sue WB.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

About time

I am sure you did not take the time to read the rest 😳

I thought you didn't

luvsexy4all said: