And you keep ignoring what Miko said in the book. Short of taking a screen shot of the actual page in the book what evidence would you need? Do you believe that someone posted about the topic on Prince.org and made up that Miko said this in the book? Is that what you are trying to say?

The book passage is in GoggleReads but in German. Do you need for it to be translated to belived it is in the book.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Honestly how do I act like the internet does not exist when I'm the one posting all the factual pertinent information and U are posting bogus Org discussions that go now where. And then say 'from Miko's mouth' and then when I post the full conversation from a Miko interview you keep fighting it. For the sake of fighting it.

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And U post another bogus thread, which leads to the same bogus arguement that it is about women. Did U post from the book or from what an org member alleges is in the book?

laurarichardson said:

What Miko said it is in Possessed. Take it up with Alex Hahn if you do not like it.

-- This is what is in the link I posted. Honestly you act like the internet does not exsist.

http://prince.org/msg/7/97182

Miko and Prince fist fight over chicks?

I read a few pages of "Possessed" last night. I got it for my birthday June 9th, anyway there was an account about Miko and Prince going to blows because Miko was trying to bang all of Prince's girls.

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bananacologne

I think the arguments ensued because there was no 'TRY'

What did he say Laurarichardson? Post the quote? You don't even have the quote

Are U serious? Now I have to translate it from German to English

Girls go sit down lol

laurarichardson said:

And you keep ignoring what Miko said in the book. Short of taking a screen shot of the actual page in the book what evidence would you need? Do you believe that someone posted about the topic on Prince.org and made up that Miko said this in the book? Is that what you are trying to say?

The book passage is in GoggleReads but in German. Do you need for it to be translated to belived it is in the book.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Honestly how do I act like the internet does not exist when I'm the one posting all the factual pertinent information and U are posting bogus Org discussions that go now where. And then say 'from Miko's mouth' and then when I post the full conversation from a Miko interview you keep fighting it. For the sake of fighting it.

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And U post another bogus thread, which leads to the same bogus arguement that it is about women. Did U post from the book or from what an org member alleges is in the book?

Wait, there were actually women who would choose Miko over Prince? Prince was threatened by Miko? Why?

Are you joking? I hope you are because if you are not you are embarrassing yourself and I fee embarassed for you.

You do not have to translate anything there are free translators on-line. How do you not know this? Miko said he thought that Prince was really mad about the girls leaving the clubs with him and the whole thing about the guitar being loud was not the real reason he was being nasty toward him.

I do not own Posssessed I checked it out from the libary so I am just going off my memory and I added the Org post to show that it had been discussed before by others.

What exactly about his bothers you? That Prince was a typical man with an out of control ego when it came to women? He wanted to be the Alpha dog 24/7. Why is this a surprise?

OldFriends4Sale said:

What did he say Laurarichardson? Post the quote? You don't even have the quote

Are U serious? Now I have to translate it from German to English

Girls go sit down lol

laurarichardson said:

And you keep ignoring what Miko said in the book. Short of taking a screen shot of the actual page in the book what evidence would you need? Do you believe that someone posted about the topic on Prince.org and made up that Miko said this in the book? Is that what you are trying to say?

The book passage is in GoggleReads but in German. Do you need for it to be translated to belived it is in the book.

endiadj said:

Wait, there were actually women who would choose Miko over Prince? Prince was threatened by Miko? Why?

Well it was the 90s so that pretty boy thing was not so popular anymore. Also remember Miko was very buff back then.

Laurarichardson, U played yourself a long time ago

Why should I have to go thru that. When U should just post it. Ah therein lies the problem. And I do mean lie. U have not read it yourself which is why U keep fighting this and sending me bogus Org links that go no where. I know U like fighting with people obviously.

But let it go. U R clearly trying to hold onto an allegation over fact.
Well I own the book. I'll do the work for you then and look it up post it and take your stuff and wrap you up with it and fling it down like a yo yo to prove what I said was still correct. That line was joking.

laurarichardson said:

Are you joking? I hope you are because if you are not you are embarrassing yourself and I fee embarassed for you.

You do not have to translate anything there are free translators on-line. How do you not know this? Miko said he thought that Prince was really mad about the girls leaving the clubs with him and the whole thing about the guitar being loud was not the real reason he was being nasty toward him.

I do not own Posssessed I checked it out from the libary so I am just going off my memory and I added the Org post to show that it had been discussed before by others.

What exactly about his bothers you? That Prince was a typical man with an out of control ego when it came to women? He wanted to be the Alpha dog 24/7. Why is this a surprise?

OldFriends4Sale said:

What did he say Laurarichardson? Post the quote? You don't even have the quote

Are U serious? Now I have to translate it from German to English

Girls go sit down lol

endiadj said:

Wait, there were actually women who would choose Miko over Prince? Prince was threatened by Miko? Why?

LOL

I remember on during the Parade tour (aftershow?) where they did a song 'Susannah's Blues' and Prince was looking for Miko and made a crack of him out talking to a bunch of girls

OldFriends4Sale said:

What did he say Laurarichardson? Post the quote? You don't even have the quote

Are U serious? Now I have to translate it from German to English

Girls go sit down lol

If you need help with that - I speak German

endiadj said:

Wait, there were actually women who would choose Miko over Prince? Prince was threatened by Miko? Why?

Yes, and not only Miko.

CatB said:

hmm... Well, I seriously question those women's taste, gunning for that bronze medal when they should've been digging for gold.

this reminds me of something that Morris Day once said (jokingly,I assume).....he was talking about all the women who would be trying to "get with him" backstage after The Time concerts in the early 80s

"I would take some of these women,put a bow on them,and send them to Prince's room.I was being generous.They really wanted me"

SoulAlive said:

this reminds me of something that Morris Day once said (jokingly,I assume).....he was talking about all the women who would be trying to "get with him" backstage after The Time concerts in the early 80s

"I would take some of these women,put a bow on them,and send them to Prince's room.I was being generous.They really wanted me"

Sounds like something Morris's crazy ass would say. (LOL) I am sure Prince did not get all the girls all the time and I am sure it pissed him off.

OldFriends4Sale said:

A hit below the belt...

purplegirl00 said:

This book shouldn't even be quoted anymore. The amount of wrong info about Vanity that is debunked after reading Blame it on Vanity is embarrassing.

luvgirl said:

A lot of the info is wrong and people claim they were misquoted. Unfortunately, there comments are in the book and we have Jill's eyewitness account as far as Susan R saying Prince was annoyed with her I am sure he was because appears she did not take any shit of him and wanted to do what he wanted to do without being questioned. Sorry but he should have been with a women who would have made him sit his ass down and retire instead of killing himself working. He needed a wife like Vanity to stand up to him and kick him in the ass. Not some women that wanted a business or a singing carreer.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1. Where did Susan Rogers inject Susannah into the song. And they don't inject her into every song. That is an extreme exaggeration.

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2. Susan Rogers said in 1983 that the song revolved around Prince and Vanity.

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3. Lisa Coleman did not say anything contradictory to that.

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4. The song was brought out again and as life goes further inspiration can be added to any song. Vanity was not Prince's girlfriend then or in the camp, in 1985. And even though a song can be about a particular person it can still be about a broader subject.

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5. Susan Roger -never said the song was about Susannah. Lisa Coleman was only talking about the playful energy that obviously She & Prince had in connection to the song and their girlfriends asses. This does not take away the origins of Vanity & Prince's issues in the song.

3. See the article below which was orignally from an interview in the Star Tribune. This is directly from Lisa. This is Lisa contridicting what Susan Rogers said. This is from this month June 2017.

http://diffuser.fm/prince-wonderful-ass/

2017 interview with the Star Tribune about “Wonderful Ass” and the other newly released tracks on this, the first major archival release since Prince’s untimely death last April, Revolution keyboardist Lisa Coleman reveals that the lighthearted song was inspired by the impressive posteriors of both her longtime collaborator and Revolution bandmate Wendy Melvoin and Wendy’s twin sister Susannah — who Prince was romantically involved with at the time.

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts,” Coleman explains. “And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

Read More: Of Course Prince Wrote a ... in a Year | http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

[Edited 6/28/17 5:46am]

THANK YOU Laura! I don't see anything in this excerpt that suggests it's about Vanity- quite the opposite.

And no it is not an exaggeration that the Wendy/ Lisa/ Susan Rogers clan has inserted Susannah as inspiration to other songs that were big of that time- The Beautiful Ones, If I was Ur Girlfriend, Adore, Empty Room, and Strange Relationship namely. I'm not buying anything coming from Susan Rogers or W & L. They were not in Prince's head and made assumptions and now pushing them as facts. I trust what Jill witnessed.

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:

This book shouldn't even be quoted anymore. The amount of wrong info about Vanity that is debunked after reading Blame it on Vanity is embarrassing.

A lot of the info is wrong and people claim they were misquoted. Unfortunately, there comments are in the book and we have Jill's eyewitness account as far as Susan R saying Prince was annoyed with her I am sure he was because appears she did not take any shit of him and wanted to do what he wanted to do without being questioned. Sorry but he should have been with a women who would have made him sit his ass down and retire instead of killing himself working. He needed a wife like Vanity to stand up to him and kick him in the ass. Not some women that wanted a business or a singing carreer.

purplegirl00 said:

laurarichardson said:

3. See the article below which was orignally from an interview in the Star Tribune. This is directly from Lisa. This is Lisa contridicting what Susan Rogers said. This is from this month June 2017.

http://diffuser.fm/prince-wonderful-ass/

2017 interview with the Star Tribune about “Wonderful Ass” and the other newly released tracks on this, the first major archival release since Prince’s untimely death last April, Revolution keyboardist Lisa Coleman reveals that the lighthearted song was inspired by the impressive posteriors of both her longtime collaborator and Revolution bandmate Wendy Melvoin and Wendy’s twin sister Susannah — who Prince was romantically involved with at the time.

“Wendy and her twin sister, Susannah, are pretty famous for having nice butts,” Coleman explains. “And Prince did have one of the world’s cutest butts. Prince was dating Susannah, and I was with Wendy. It was us being goofy about our girlfriends. I sang co-lead with Prince. It was a happy-go-lucky time.”

Read More: Of Course Prince Wrote a ... in a Year | http://diffuser.fm/prince...ck=tsmclip

[Edited 6/28/17 5:46am]

THANK YOU Laura! I don't see anything in this excerpt that suggests it's about Vanity- quite the opposite.

And no it is not an exaggeration that the Wendy/ Lisa/ Susan Rogers clan has inserted Susannah as inspiration to other songs that were big of that time- The Beautiful Ones, If I was Ur Girlfriend, Adore, Empty Room, and Strange Relationship namely. I'm not buying anything coming from Susan Rogers or W & L. They were not in Prince's head and made assumptions and now pushing them as facts. I trust what Jill witnessed.

U R mixed up lol

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So because Susan Rogers said 1983 Wonderful Ass was about Prince & Vanity's relationship, You are (not buying anything coming from Susan Rogers)... well she ain't selling.

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They new Prince, Prince shared things with them. Not you.

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

* And I'm going to add a 'What Would Jesus Denise Matthews(RIP) Do' insert to the song... ie how would she respond today to all this if she were alive...

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Christine Harris (secretary to Pure Heart Ministries & Denise Matthews) Being that Denise did not appear in Purple Rain, she would not have anything to add to your story. God Bless.

Spin Magazine 2009 Prince the Oral History of Purple Rain

A hit below the belt...

I think it was an elevated hit lol

purplegirl00 said:

--They are trying to elevate themselves even now with Prince in the ground.

laurarichardson said:

purplegirl00 said:

THANK YOU Laura! I don't see anything in this excerpt that suggests it's about Vanity- quite the opposite.

And no it is not an exaggeration that the Wendy/ Lisa/ Susan Rogers clan has inserted Susannah as inspiration to other songs that were big of that time- The Beautiful Ones, If I was Ur Girlfriend, Adore, Empty Room, and Strange Relationship namely. I'm not buying anything coming from Susan Rogers or W & L. They were not in Prince's head and made assumptions and now pushing them as facts. I trust what Jill witnessed.

--They are trying to elevate themselves even now with Prince in the ground.

as many of U are trying to elevate yourselves via your particular female associate

channelling...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Is this best you can do?

So, just to balance the debate (I don't care either way I'm neutral) people are willing to believe Jill because it fits what they believe? Even though this is a memory from 35 years ago. And didn't she have beef with Susannah back then? I seem to recall there was some animosity.

petalthecat said:

So, just to balance the debate (I don't care either way I'm neutral) people are willing to believe Jill because it fits what they believe? Even though this is a memory from 35 years ago. And didn't she have beef with Susannah back then? I seem to recall there was some animosity.

Jill fits what was believed? So whenever we have discussion abiut Jill someone always tries to make her out to be angry or loony.

I think that is such a disservice to her. Jill can have her opinion. This thread has enough information and no need for more debate. I think Jill's words are just as valid as anyone else's at that time.

I see no reason to always try to villify Jill.

Another theory

Miss TLC‏ @IAmMissTLC Jun 27

petalthecat said:

---Do you think she is senile and cannot remember what she saw with her own eye? Why are the bi-racial women telling lies or having a faulty memory and Susanna the rigthous one? Do you have any idea how that looks? As far as songs are concerned Jill has said she has a log, Vanity according to her brother had a diary, letters, and a book. Eric Leeds claims he has log of the songs he played on so when he starts bitching because he did not credit is he going to be treated as a looney too. Some of you need to check your Melvoin worship.
[Edited 6/29/17 5:27am]

Goddess4Real said:

Another theory

Miss TLC‏ @IAmMissTLC Jun 27

Replying to @IAmMissTLC

So he COULD'VE written something in '79 & pulled it out on a girl in '94 & told her it was inspired by her. And she'd be none the wiser.

Yep lol

But the beautiful thing about art...

Especially if it is not complete is that someone else (even if it is a non-romantic situation) maybe it is a female/male friend/family/coworker going through a similar situation that the song deals with and the artist/Prince finds new inspiration in the song, pulls it out and takes it to a new level...

petalthecat said:

Do you mean what she said in regards to Wonderful Ass being about Vanity? She wasn't the only one that said it. It's been known for years. The same person (Susan Rogers) that has great things to say about Susannah, and touts all of the other songs being about Susannah (that everyone here believes) confirmed WA being about Vanity, albeit not before throwing in an insulting comment about Vanity mind you. Go back a few post to see said comments from SR. Let's be honest though, I don't think people are really confused with who the song is about. Everyone pretty much knows that Wonderful A$$ was about Vanity. The suspicion lies with why Lisa omitted that particular information only to feature Susannah as the inspiration of yet another song at a time when WA is gaining popularity. Away from here, that's what everyone is talking about. It's not a debate per se about who inspired the song.

luvgirl said:

petalthecat said:

So, just to balance the debate (I don't care either way I'm neutral) people are willing to believe Jill because it fits what they believe? Even though this is a memory from 35 years ago. And didn't she have beef with Susannah back then? I seem to recall there was some animosity.

Do you mean what she said in regards to Wonderful Ass being about Vanity? She wasn't the only one that said it. It's been known for years. The same person (Susan Rogers) that has great things to say about Susannah, and touts all of the other songs being about Susannah (that everyone here believes) confirmed WA being about Vanity, albeit not before throwing in an insulting comment about Vanity mind you. Go back a few post to see said comments from SR. Let's be honest though, I don't think people are really confused with who the song is about. Everyone pretty much knows that Wonderful A$$ was about Vanity. The suspicion lies with why Lisa omitted that particular information only to feature Susannah as the inspiration of yet another song at a time when WA is gaining popularity. Away from here, that's what everyone is talking about. It's not a debate per se about who inspired the song.

Luvgirl, you aren't looking at this clearly.
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Susan Rogers did not say anything insulting about Vanity.
Just look at the lyrics to the song. Prince is evaluating her and reducing her to having a wonderful ass. Yes playful and tongue in cheek, but it is what it is. And Vanity was not in a good place. Let's not act like Vanity was 'stable' she was using Coccaine. As I said before, if Denise Matthews was alive today, what would she say if questioned about the song?

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There is no suspicion. Lisa was not talking about credit, she was just recapping the energy and fun around working on the song. Remember she worked on it and song with Prince. And she again never highlighted Susannah as the focal point. She said PRINCE had a nice butt, and she and Prince were talking about their girlfriends (Wendy & Susannah's) butts. No where did she say it was all about Susannah's Butt.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

as many of U are trying to elevate yourselves via your particular female associate

channelling...

Is this best you can do?

Oh U know I've already done better. I sat U down in detention and schooled you. But you wouldn't amend your ways.

Vashtix said:

whenever we have discussion abiut Jill someone always tries to make her out to be angry or loony.

I wonder why. It wouldn't be that she acts angry or loony, right?