Flirt1 said:

They don't owe me diddly squat. But I don't owe them 10 years worth of research to have an opinon about recent choices they make. I said this in my previous post and I also said they owe Prince the care they took before he died due to the fact that a whole different and broader group of people are now reading their interviews (people who know less and assume quicker). His older fans are not the issue. They aren't doing those interviews for the hardcore fans anyhow. The hardcore fans already know their contributions and will come to the show anyhow.

They could chose to let the record speak for itself (from the previous interviews) and instead discuss the work for its own merit.

Most of the times,in the interviews, they are pretty balanced. It would sound even more balanced if they at least threw a bone to his later work in their concerts ...even just to say that they liked one of his later songs or some melody he developed etc. The fact they won't do that is partly what makes me so nitpicky about their current interviews. I am glad they didn't hire a permanent lead singer, I am glad they are letting the audience take over, I respect that they are losing money, I understand that its not just about Prince but also about their relationship with one another. But the reality is that no matter their intentions, Prince is gone and they are touring without him and only focusing on music they were involved in or they were associated with them. People who didn't know them assuming that this concert is really just about them soaking up the love...why is that so far-fetched of a belief?

We are talking in circles because no matter how balanced they are in interviews, until they acknowledge that his career had some merit after they were gone, its hard for me to not to be overly nitpicky about current interviews. They have their own tastes (and maybe they dislike a majority of his later music, but there has got to be something they liked..talent does't just disappear) Maybe it is too painful for them to look at his later career because he didn't involve them. If that is the reason, I get that. But maybe they should acknowledge that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

U should humbly take your time, and realize, that they owe you nothing because U chose to follow Prince after he died.

They shouldn't have to go into the detail U require to be scrutinized.

purplerabbithole said:

• You said that people need to talk about Prince to keep his legacy alive, did you not? If all we need to know is in those old interviews,/books then why do they need to talk at all now?

• I am aware of the more detailed accounts. And I do need to catch up on some of them.. But, its for newbies that these balanced accounts are important because people's opinions get formed pretty quickly and more than likely they are not going to go back and look at old interviews for further clarification. ( I might, others are not going to)> His legacy now is even more delicate because he is dead and unable to defend himself. They don't owe to me. They owe to him for no other reason that he worked his ass off and has no voice anymore. And they are making money (or least getting admiration) for their contributions.

• I can be more patient but it goes without saying that all the balance they may have had in the past, they need to keep having (or start having.)

• NO, I am not attacking the Revolution with those statements. I have mixed feelings about some of their decisions and being new doesn't disqualify me from an opinion. But I also realize that it must be complicated/complex for them to manuever in this post-Prince world of media speculation, exploitation, and knee jerk reactions. I can't judge their intentions (because I don't know these people), only the way their recent interviews come off to people like myself sometimes. They judged people they don't know when they called others out for claiming to be a friend and not mourning long enough.. If I am guilty of it, so are they. They knew Prince. They didn't know everyone who knew Prince. They weren't there when he hung out with proteges or later associates. (at least not all the time, that's for sure.) The Revolution are his most important associates. They get a lot of love but they also bear a bigger responsibility than other associates do because of that reason. They have a power that few other have..they contributed to his peak period. I think they are helping fans with these concerts (no doubt). So I never challenged their intentions in that regard. they do love Prince fans. But I am not talking about that.

• Newer fans have a place in this world. If you want to help me get a crash course, fine. If you want to simply say "you're wrong and misinformed" and then move on...fine, do so. But applying to my better nature by saying you are curious about how I became a fan only to use it against me everytime I say anything even remotely critical of how they come across in recent interviews--that feels like I was tricked...with all due respect,

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Leopard52 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

eh the Legacy dies and fades if people don't talk about it.

Remember, Prince is dead, prior to that was Vanity and 2 month before that Kim Upsher

I want the people who were a part of the music the times the scene to talk. Yes there are some people who did nothing concerning Prince after they left Prince then popped up and are not championing Prince, those people I might take issue with ie Tony M for example

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But the Revolution, Sheila E, the Time, Susan Rogers? No These people I want talking and doing the music

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I totally agree! Without his associates talking and doing his music... the legacy will go die too. I don't always like what they say but they lived it, not me.

what did tony m say that wasn't "championing" prince? I only heard one interview and it was pretty good but that's not much to judge on.

the real question is.....HOW MUCH does the estate make from the Revolution tour???????

anyway, rabbit, the liner notes from the new release give some indication of what the band contributed. they really did do their part.

OldFriends4Sale said:

U should humbly take your time, and realize, that they owe you nothing because U chose to follow Prince after he died.

They shouldn't have to go into the detail U require to be scrutinized.

purplerabbithole said:

• You said that people need to talk about Prince to keep his legacy alive, did you not? If all we need to know is in those old interviews,/books then why do they need to talk at all now?

• I am aware of the more detailed accounts. And I do need to catch up on some of them.. But, its for newbies that these balanced accounts are important because people's opinions get formed pretty quickly and more than likely they are not going to go back and look at old interviews for further clarification. ( I might, others are not going to)> His legacy now is even more delicate because he is dead and unable to defend himself. They don't owe to me. They owe to him for no other reason that he worked his ass off and has no voice anymore. And they are making money (or least getting admiration) for their contributions.

• I can be more patient but it goes without saying that all the balance they may have had in the past, they need to keep having (or start having.)

• NO, I am not attacking the Revolution with those statements. I have mixed feelings about some of their decisions and being new doesn't disqualify me from an opinion. But I also realize that it must be complicated/complex for them to manuever in this post-Prince world of media speculation, exploitation, and knee jerk reactions. I can't judge their intentions (because I don't know these people), only the way their recent interviews come off to people like myself sometimes. They judged people they don't know when they called others out for claiming to be a friend and not mourning long enough.. If I am guilty of it, so are they. They knew Prince. They didn't know everyone who knew Prince. They weren't there when he hung out with proteges or later associates. (at least not all the time, that's for sure.) The Revolution are his most important associates. They get a lot of love but they also bear a bigger responsibility than other associates do because of that reason. They have a power that few other have..they contributed to his peak period. I think they are helping fans with these concerts (no doubt). So I never challenged their intentions in that regard. they do love Prince fans. But I am not talking about that.

• Newer fans have a place in this world. If you want to help me get a crash course, fine. If you want to simply say "you're wrong and misinformed" and then move on...fine, do so. But applying to my better nature by saying you are curious about how I became a fan only to use it against me everytime I say anything even remotely critical of how they come across in recent interviews--that feels like I was tricked...with all due respect,

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luvsexy4all said:

the real question is.....HOW MUCH does the estate make from the Revolution tour???????

i doubt if they make anything, i don't think they are going to be exactly raking in the dough, they are playing a pretty small venue here in seattle, ironically, the last one prince played at here.

As far as I'm concerned, none of them are milking Prince in the media enough. If they were, his name would be all over the media and we wouldn't be hearing about bullshit people like Beyonce having twins.....as if I could give less than a damn.

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purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

PeteSilas said:

anyway, rabbit, the liner notes from the new release give some indication of what the band contributed. they really did do their part.

I think you might be missing my point. I am not doubting their legitimacy. I am questioning the notion that this isn't largely about them getting credit for all their hard work. we know they did their part in creating those songs. [Edited 6/24/17 12:28pm]

you might be missing mine, those people were in the trenches with prince, all of them, whether it's andre/brown mark, lisa/dez, they had to sweat for Prince, we all know Prince was extremely demanding, even oppressive so I say if anyone deserves to make a buck it's them, and oh yea, they all have what I would think is true love for the guy. So, god willing, i'll be there to see the revolution next month.

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purplerabbithole said:

• That is exactly what I thought you meant..

• Here's the deal. How fans chose to honor Prince (or Prince and the Revolution) is up to them. We are all interpret things differently. Plus, how can I argue with someone's decision to go see the Revolution if they have invested in Prince for years? If it sounds like that is what I was doing, that is not the intention. I considered going myself despite my reservations. His legacy is in good hands with you guys and a ticket to Revolution isn't going to change that.

• I guess the Revolution touring without him and not throwing a bone to his later work feels like the living embodiment of my concern that his later work will continue to be ignored and unreleased while the short period of the mid -80's will become so overexposed people will just get tired of it (and it will do more good for his collaborators than it does for his career overall). I am not saying they have any intentions for that to happen. (I am just as bad--I bought Purple Rain Deluxe twice --hard copy and I-tunes) I do think most of the interviews about the making of those iconic albums have been mostly balanced. But I nitpick because there is so much that seems to be ignored now about his career as a whole. Also, many of his older collegues in the interviews I have read (recently) talk about what they taught him musically but I don;t see much about what he taught them musically (work ethic and glamour lessons don't count). They talk about his savant-like ability but I am talking about creatively. (Although Lisa did recenty gush about WDC and Darling NIkki..>). And OldFriends4sale probably has older interviews that prove me wrong, but I am just referring to recent interviews.

• I am just asking them to try to continue to be as balanced as possible and to throw a bone to his later work...like Andre Cymone did when he decided to listen to later work he had earlier avoided and perform it..(which felt like a gesture of forgiveness and honor) The Revolution concerts wouldn't bother me at all if that were the case.

• This is Paul McCartney gushing over John LEnnon's Imagine...we know their history (compative at times--John could be an absolute prick sometimes) but Paul wasn't threatened by his friend's later accomplishments being honored even if he had nothing to do with it and even if it was recorded after they painfully split up. (I am not saying Prince has anything quite that iconic after the 80's, but I think it stilll applies. Actually, I think it might apply more since so little of his later work is actually being heard.) the Revolution are really underrated sometimes as the talents they were. But I personally would much rather have a really respectable status/reputation amongst music experts (and be a bit underheard by the populus) than be considered overrated by a significant portion of the population. Its a quick fall off that pedastal.

• https://www.youtube.com/w...SYp3j8MfKQ

NOw I am going to try to bow out of his topic. Anything I say from this point on this thread will just be clarification of my earlier statements and Superbowl stuff.

PeteSilas said:

purplerabbithole said:

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you might be missing mine, those people were in the trenches with prince, all of them, whether it's andre/brown mark, lisa/dez, they had to sweat for Prince, we all know Prince was extremely demanding, even oppressive so I say if anyone deserves to make a buck it's them, and oh yea, they all have what I would think is true love for the guy. So, god willing, i'll be there to see the revolution next month.

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Back off on that. I didn't ignore his work on purpose. I didn't know his work very well and that sadly was his fault (plus I was only 8 years old when Purple Rain came out..Its not my fault I could not go to a concert back then). He didn't exactly make it easy to find his work online...

i have spent a couple 1000 dollars on Prince stuff just his last year and way too many hours. I do own his recent albums because I prescribed to Tidal and downloaded them. Now, I realize you guys probably spent much more but many of you also got to seem him live in venues where you could actually see him. As a good as Prince was at the superbowl, its not the best venue in the world for a concert, he didn't sing that many of his own songs, and he was the size of my finger nail (and I was surrounded ny wind, rain and spectactors singing his songs off-key).

I don't have a hard line stance on what his fans should do or like. If people only like Purple Rain, that's their choice. If people go to see the Revolution, I am not going to judge them. Old time fans have been protecting his legacy for years so if those same people decide to go to a Revolution concert what difference does it make? I just worry about how his legacy is represented. Do old-timers want new fans for his man or not? I am not a fearweather fan just because I am a newer one.

I do feel bad about being accusatory of Oldfriends4sale and I tried to apologize but we just can't agree. But really we both (I think) had the best intentions--awesome music should be honored.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

your position would carry more weight had you supported his later work while he was still alive...it sounds like you invested very little financially to prince's old or new material while he was still alive, so your hard line stance on what others should say and do in regards to his legacy now, is a little sticky...

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Maybe. I don't know maybe they haven't forgiven him entirely for breaking up the band and stringing them along about a reunion and they are trying to relive what could have been (or what they thought he should have done for himself, the fans and them when he was alive).. Kind of like the second best thing to correcting a wrong or a mistake he made. Who knows. LIke I said, if they threw a bone to his later career (like Andre did), I wouldn't be so weary.

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think you might be missing my point. I am not doubting their legitimacy. I am questioning the notion that this isn't largely about them getting credit for all their hard work. we know they did their part in creating those songs. [Edited 6/24/17 12:28pm]

I don't think The Rev are milking anything and I have no problem with their tour but I do think this is a valid point. Though for the most part I think it's just cathartic for them. Maybe this is their way of getting some closure.

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i got no beef with you at all, just stating my feelings. Those years with the revolution were the peak commercial years for Prince, I love plenty of his older stuff but if I see the revolution, I wouldn't be interested in them playing it. Truth is, they weren't near the musicians some of the others were later on as a whole but they had the chemistry and the zeitgeist which is they key to any great musical moment. They also had to put up with our hero at his worst, he obviously knew he could be an asshole as susan rogers quoted him saying it about himself in the liner nots, and he had a right to be but it's no fun getting chewed out about things that sometimes you might not deserve to be chewed out over. Brown Mark in particular seemed to have a helluva time after his death reconciling the asshole with the big brother, nurturer. Did you know he kicked brown mark onstage before? If he'd even tried something like that with me, he'd get his asshanded to him but mark felt he had to take it. He deserves this oppurtunity and we deserve it too, it's not like it'll be a one way street, they are giving us something priceless.

purplerabbithole said:

Back off on that. I didn't ignore his work on purpose. I didn't know his work very well and that sadly was his fault (plus I was only 8 years old when Purple Rain came out..Its not my fault I could not go to a concert back then). He didn't exactly make it easy to find his work online...

i have spent a couple 1000 dollars on Prince stuff just his last year and way too many hours. I do own his recent albums because I prescribed to Tidal and downloaded them. Now, I realize you guys probably spent much more but many of you also got to seem him live in venues where you could actually see him. As a good as Prince was at the superbowl, its not the best venue in the world for a concert, he didn't sing that many of his own songs, and he was the size of my finger nail (and I was surrounded ny wind, rain and spectactors singing his songs off-key).

I don't have a hard line stance on what his fans should do or like. If people only like Purple Rain, that's their choice. If people go to see the Revolution, I am not going to judge them. Old time fans have been protecting his legacy for years so if those same people decide to go to a Revolution concert what difference does it make? I just worry about how his legacy is represented. Do old-timers want new fans for his man or not? I am not a fearweather fan just because I am a newer one.

I do feel bad about being accusatory of Oldfriends4sale and I tried to apologize but we just can't agree. But really we both (I think) had the best intentions--awesome music should be honored.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

your position would carry more weight had you supported his later work while he was still alive...it sounds like you invested very little financially to prince's old or new material while he was still alive, so your hard line stance on what others should say and do in regards to his legacy now, is a little sticky...

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How do we know about the kicking?? If he is the one who told reporters or writers it happened, then he got his comeupance years ago (at least for that incident.) If he wasn't the one who told the press, then there was still justice because it publically shamed Prince. Prince should not have kicked him but Brown was twice Prince's size and a grown man. I am going to assume he got over it at least a little because he stated recently he visited Paisley Park 8 times in the last ten years (and I imagine Prince wasn't kicking him anymore.) I haven't got my CD yet, but if Mark Brown's issues with PRince are stated in the linear notes, that's kind of stupid. the linear notes should be about music.

As for reconciling his asshole side with his nurturing side, obviously it was Prince's problems and his death only further proves that he had his issues..

Let me ask you...did you ever see Prince and revolution live? If you did, then you already got something priceless. It can't be more priceless than that. If you didn't, no matter how good they are--its still second best. I am glad fans are getting something out of it though..Don't get me wrong.

PeteSilas said:

i got no beef with you at all, just stating my feelings. Those years with the revolution were the peak commercial years for Prince, I love plenty of his older stuff but if I see the revolution, I wouldn't be interested in them playing it. Truth is, they weren't near the musicians some of the others were later on as a whole but they had the chemistry and the zeitgeist which is they key to any great musical moment. They also had to put up with our hero at his worst, he obviously knew he could be an asshole as susan rogers quoted him saying it about himself in the liner nots, and he had a right to be but it's no fun getting chewed out about things that sometimes you might not deserve to be chewed out over. Brown Mark in particular seemed to have a helluva time after his death reconciling the asshole with the big brother, nurturer. Did you know he kicked brown mark onstage before? If he'd even tried something like that with me, he'd get his asshanded to him but mark felt he had to take it. He deserves this oppurtunity and we deserve it too, it's not like it'll be a one way street, they are giving us something priceless.

purplerabbithole said:

Back off on that. I didn't ignore his work on purpose. I didn't know his work very well and that sadly was his fault (plus I was only 8 years old when Purple Rain came out..Its not my fault I could not go to a concert back then). He didn't exactly make it easy to find his work online...

i have spent a couple 1000 dollars on Prince stuff just his last year and way too many hours. I do own his recent albums because I prescribed to Tidal and downloaded them. Now, I realize you guys probably spent much more but many of you also got to seem him live in venues where you could actually see him. As a good as Prince was at the superbowl, its not the best venue in the world for a concert, he didn't sing that many of his own songs, and he was the size of my finger nail (and I was surrounded ny wind, rain and spectactors singing his songs off-key).

I don't have a hard line stance on what his fans should do or like. If people only like Purple Rain, that's their choice. If people go to see the Revolution, I am not going to judge them. Old time fans have been protecting his legacy for years so if those same people decide to go to a Revolution concert what difference does it make? I just worry about how his legacy is represented. Do old-timers want new fans for his man or not? I am not a fearweather fan just because I am a newer one.

I do feel bad about being accusatory of Oldfriends4sale and I tried to apologize but we just can't agree. But really we both (I think) had the best intentions--awesome music should be honored.

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i was a broke ass 16 year old when prince came to town, i couldn't go, i saw him a couple times after that though. the kicking incident should have thousands of fans as witnesses, it happened onstage and it was told in the book poplife, well after purple rain so no one even noticed but us die hard Prince fans. He did lots of things to mark in particular, seen it a million times, it's the one from your own group who's gonna be the biggest asshole, and the most competitive. It's why I do not work with my own ethnic group anymore. Anyway, Mark was always a sweet beautiful soul I think and i really don't know how much of the grievances he held onto over the years or not. I do know from his facebook page that he seemed very conflicted.

purplerabbithole said:

How do we know about the kicking?? If he is the one who told reporters or writers it happened, then he got his comeupance years ago (at least for that incident.) If he wasn't the one who told the press, then there was still justice because it publically shamed Prince. I am going to assume he got over it because he stated recently he visited Paisley Park 8 times in the last ten years (and I imagine Prince wasn't kicking him anymore.) I haven't got my CD yet, but if Mark Brown's issues with PRince are stated in teh liner notes, that's kind of stupid. the linear notes should be about music.

As for reconciling his asshole side with his nurturing side, obviously it was Prince's problems and his death only further proves that he had his issues..

Let me ask you...did you ever see Prince and revolution live? If you did, then you already got something priceless. It can't be more priceless than that. If you didn't, no matter how good they are--its still second best. I am glad fans are getting something out of it though..Don't get me wrong.

PeteSilas said:

i got no beef with you at all, just stating my feelings. Those years with the revolution were the peak commercial years for Prince, I love plenty of his older stuff but if I see the revolution, I wouldn't be interested in them playing it. Truth is, they weren't near the musicians some of the others were later on as a whole but they had the chemistry and the zeitgeist which is they key to any great musical moment. They also had to put up with our hero at his worst, he obviously knew he could be an asshole as susan rogers quoted him saying it about himself in the liner nots, and he had a right to be but it's no fun getting chewed out about things that sometimes you might not deserve to be chewed out over. Brown Mark in particular seemed to have a helluva time after his death reconciling the asshole with the big brother, nurturer. Did you know he kicked brown mark onstage before? If he'd even tried something like that with me, he'd get his asshanded to him but mark felt he had to take it. He deserves this oppurtunity and we deserve it too, it's not like it'll be a one way street, they are giving us something priceless.

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fuck everyone and their mothers for exploiting Prince

I always have my doubts about people who air their grievances in public formats. There is something passive aggressive about it. Either send Prince a note or tell him to fuck himself (when he was alive obviously) . But bitching about it later after he's dead -- I don't know. Mark is probably a good guy but he occasionally seems like someone desperate for respect and approval.

The media is such a weird thing because it brings out confessions and it taints interaction. I don't know if am explaining this well. Lisa sort of implied that Prince's distrust of people and inability to show vulnerability is what killed him. But who was he was going to go to in his time of need if the same people had already talked to the media and book writers and publically exposed him in the past. Its hard to trust people if they wait until you are not around to expose your flaws in a public format.

I think of the song Oldfriends4sale. Prince airs his grievances but then immediately shelves the song. Prince at least realized that maybe the public arena is not necessarily the best place to bring up issues with your friends.

PeteSilas said:

i was a broke ass 16 year old when prince came to town, i couldn't go, i saw him a couple times after that though. the kicking incident should have thousands of fans as witnesses, it happened onstage and it was told in the book poplife, well after purple rain so no one even noticed but us die hard Prince fans. He did lots of things to mark in particular, seen it a million times, it's the one from your own group who's gonna be the biggest asshole, and the most competitive. It's why I do not work with my own ethnic group anymore. Anyway, Mark was always a sweet beautiful soul I think and i really don't know how much of the grievances he held onto over the years or not. I do know from his facebook page that he seemed very conflicted.

purplerabbithole said:

How do we know about the kicking?? If he is the one who told reporters or writers it happened, then he got his comeupance years ago (at least for that incident.) If he wasn't the one who told the press, then there was still justice because it publically shamed Prince. I am going to assume he got over it because he stated recently he visited Paisley Park 8 times in the last ten years (and I imagine Prince wasn't kicking him anymore.) I haven't got my CD yet, but if Mark Brown's issues with PRince are stated in teh liner notes, that's kind of stupid. the linear notes should be about music.

As for reconciling his asshole side with his nurturing side, obviously it was Prince's problems and his death only further proves that he had his issues..

Let me ask you...did you ever see Prince and revolution live? If you did, then you already got something priceless. It can't be more priceless than that. If you didn't, no matter how good they are--its still second best. I am glad fans are getting something out of it though..Don't get me wrong.

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no,no,no, brown said this stuff in the early 90's. Not after he died.

purplerabbithole said:

I always have my doubts about people who air their grievances in public formats. There is something passive aggressive about it. Either send Prince a note or tell him to fuck himself (when he was alive obviously) . But bitching about it later after he's dead -- I don't know. Mark is probably a good guy but he occasionally seems like someone desperate for respect and approval.

The media is such a weird thing because it brings out confessions and it taints interaction. I know if am explaining this well. Lisa sort of implied that Prince's distrust of people and inability to show vulnerability is what killed him. But who was he was going to go to in his time of need if the same people had already talked to the media and book writers and publically exposed him in the past. Its hard to trust people if they wait until you are not around to expose your flaws in a public format.

I think of the song Oldfriends4sale. Prince airs his grievances but then immediately shelves the song. Prince at least realized that maybe the public arena is not necessarily the best place to bring up issues with your friends.

PeteSilas said:

i was a broke ass 16 year old when prince came to town, i couldn't go, i saw him a couple times after that though. the kicking incident should have thousands of fans as witnesses, it happened onstage and it was told in the book poplife, well after purple rain so no one even noticed but us die hard Prince fans. He did lots of things to mark in particular, seen it a million times, it's the one from your own group who's gonna be the biggest asshole, and the most competitive. It's why I do not work with my own ethnic group anymore. Anyway, Mark was always a sweet beautiful soul I think and i really don't know how much of the grievances he held onto over the years or not. I do know from his facebook page that he seemed very conflicted.

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Well, that's good to hear. Like I said, he is probably a decent guy. But I still believe that direct communication is better than doing it through the media. It taints interaction and leads to distrust. Even if you didn't want to talk back because Prince was your boss, what's wrong with a note or letter expressing your concerns or hurt feelings after you left his camp. Once its in the media, its a like a bastardization or something. But I read the biographical stuff on folks anyhow so I am just as guilty of buying into it.

I am going to use my favorite actor Daniel Day-Lewis (soon to be retired God dammit ). About 5 years ago, when he won his third Oscar, his half brother, who was about 28years older than him, did an interview illiciting pity because DDL hadn't talked to him in 20 years. The reason DDL hadn't talked to his half-bro in 20 years was because his half bro had contributed to a biography on him after DDL had asked all his family members not to say anything (half-bro didn't really say anything bad but did diss on Daniel's mother a bit). Anyway, half bro did this interview in 2012 right after he won the Oscar (of course, making DDL look a bit like a dick during what should have been a happy time in his life ) , his half bro is pleading for DDL to re-establish ties and he is doing it THROUGH THE FREAKING MEDIA..the media was the reason their relationship was tainted in the first place. (IN DDL"S defense, he didn't grow up with this half brother or anything, so they weren't that close anyhow.) The media leads to distrust, absurdity, and impulse control problems...LOL> (I have a feeling the "plea' was an epic failure).

PeteSilas said:

no,no,no, brown said this stuff in the early 90's. Not after he died.

purplerabbithole said:

I always have my doubts about people who air their grievances in public formats. There is something passive aggressive about it. Either send Prince a note or tell him to fuck himself (when he was alive obviously) . But bitching about it later after he's dead -- I don't know. Mark is probably a good guy but he occasionally seems like someone desperate for respect and approval.

The media is such a weird thing because it brings out confessions and it taints interaction. I know if am explaining this well. Lisa sort of implied that Prince's distrust of people and inability to show vulnerability is what killed him. But who was he was going to go to in his time of need if the same people had already talked to the media and book writers and publically exposed him in the past. Its hard to trust people if they wait until you are not around to expose your flaws in a public format.

I think of the song Oldfriends4sale. Prince airs his grievances but then immediately shelves the song. Prince at least realized that maybe the public arena is not necessarily the best place to bring up issues with your friends.

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I have a lot of respect for him as a musician and innovator, but does anyone else find it disturbing that Matt F. played in a Prince tribute band?

Anything that keeps Prince´s legacy is valid IMO. Let them do their tributes.

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

my thread sucked. and yet you commented? interesting.

On my planet, we correct our children when they lie or say something stupid.

on my planet...we don't use words for "grand standers" we just do this...

JudasLChrist said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said: On my planet, we correct our children when they lie or say something stupid.

Word.

Word up.

macaylasdad said:

Doozer said:

macaylasdad said: On my planet, we correct our children when they lie or say something stupid.

on my planet...we don't use words for "grand standers" we just do this...

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have a discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

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Doozer said:

macaylasdad said:

on my planet...we don't use words for "grand standers" we just do this...

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have an discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

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and look at the ones he created..disgusting (and locked thank god)

huh? Prince didn't do anything good on his own? this is the kind of thing that makes people hate the revolution.

rdhull said:

Doozer said:

It is hardly "grand standing" to say that your statement about 2 of the 3 Revolution albums being "flops" is a lie, or stupid. Or both.

Grand standing would be someone seeking to attract applause or favorable attention from a crowd. That's what I see when I read your OP.


If you don't want people to disagree with you, read what you write to make sure it's not stupid. Or a lie.

If you'd care to have an discussion over why you would classify 2 of their 3 albums as a flop, I'm all ears. You seem to be all fingers.

25 posts since joining in April 2017, huh?

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and look at the ones he created..disgusting (and locked thank god)