StevenAnthony said:

"Killing At The Soda Shop" is one of the worst songs I've ever heard, good god.

"Our Destiny" sounds good, but I still prefer the Lisa version. Sorry, Jill.

It's no worse than any of the silly songs on Vanity 6 or Appolonia 6.

StevenAnthony said:

Our Destiny is definitely unfinished, you can hear the crowd/intro from the birthday show. Prince's piano on Wednesday is gorgeous. Looks like I know what I'm transcribing this weekend...

Revolution81 said:

And just before Our Destiny fades out, u can hear the point ar which Roadhouse Garden REALLY segues in

Yes and b4 you ear a part of the birthday gig...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

for When's Day (Wedneday) Susan Rogers called it an incidental song and referred to Jill having sung it in Purple Rain. I assume that means it was filmed and there is the part where Prince comes in and Wendy and Lisa are there with Jill... I believe that is when it was meant to be in the movie. But was cut!

Prince sang the song in the 83' piano rehearsals..

Okay... so this thread got moved to Associated Artists... WHY???!!!! I mean, it's better than what I thought at first, which was that it just got "disappeared" for some reason. But, to my mind, any new Prince outtakes (and these definitely are THAT, even if they also are Jill Jones outtakes) should be discussed on the Prince forum. I get moving stuff about people's non-Prince-tied careers, but not this.

Ah well. I found it, at least.

Killin' at the Soda Shop--I have no idea what I expected, but that wasn't it. I don't know what to think yet. I wasn't even sure it was Jill when it started. Certainly different from what was finally released by her--didn't really take advantage of her voice. It could have been one of the "6"'s just as well. Not many of these straightforward narrative songs ever made it out, but Prince does seem to have done a few of them. Weird. From reading about the song before it leaked, I really didn't expect that sort of "punk" sound from a song with a Clare Fisher arrangement. Just plain odd.

Wednesday--yeah, sounds like a segue from a musical. Interesting. But only somewhat.

As to Our Destiny. Jill certainly acts more in her vocal than Lisa does--I just have to decide which style of performance fits the song better for me. The balance between vocal and music is something I wish were worked out more fully. I'd like it to be part of a fuller arrangement, and more of a piece with the music in the mix. But, you know... it isn't. For whatever reason--maybe because it wasn't finished back then... or maybe because Jill finished her part just now.

As to when Jill recorded the vocal tracks... I hope she'll say. I'm keeping them either way, I'd just like to know whether to think of these as entirely Prince-directed or more Jill revisiting and taking another shot at them. Still with Prince's musical performance, just not quite the same as the real thing. None of the vocals really sound like the standard on the Paisley album, and I haven't listened enough to her more recently to make a guess based on what she sounds like now. So I don't know what's up.

Revolution81 said:

And just before Our Destiny fades out, u can hear the point ar which Roadhouse Garden REALLY segues in

Wonder if RG on this leak is the same as released on PR Deluxe...

TrivialPursuit said:

Genesia said:

She's mad at WB - but if Prince gave them the info, her anger is misplaced because she should be mad at Prince. But it does no good to be mad at him because he's dead. Get it?

I would argue that it's she hates the Revolution, and it's straight up envy that her version wasn't used on the PR deluxe. Because $$$$. If OD/RG wasn't on this set, she would have never leaked these tracks. Why not leak them after he died, or when PR deluxe was announced? She waited because she simply wants to steal some thunder, and put a dent in it.

Having said all that, she deserves credit on the stuff she was on, of course. My point was more about "Our Destiny".

The songs are also on YourListen.com.

[Edited 6/23/17 9:29am]

But that too is misplaced anger. The Revolution had nothing to do with her success or lack. That was all between her and Prince right up until 1990 GB when he had her lip sync a song lead by Elisa Fiorillo. Her career in the Prince camp was Prince.

Silvertongue7 said:

Did we know Wednesday from somewhere? It feels incredibly familiar, but I am not aware if it having leaked before in any way...

I don't think we hear Wednesday in the snippet with Prince singing. I believe people know it as 'What'll I do'

OldFriends4Sale said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Did we know Wednesday from somewhere? It feels incredibly familiar, but I am not aware if it having leaked before in any way...

I don't think we hear Wednesday in the snippet with Prince singing. I believe people know it as 'What'll I do'

i listened to the piano rehearsal and it's called 'there's no telling what might do'
and prince does actually sing wednesday. it's just been mislabeled all this time.

IstenSzek said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think we hear Wednesday in the snippet with Prince singing. I believe people know it as 'What'll I do'

i listened to the piano rehearsal and it's called 'there's no telling what might do'
and prince does actually sing wednesday. it's just been mislabeled all this time.

Yep, I just found this and llistened to my two crappy versions. Right under our noses!

Although, I swear I had a MP3 version of "Intimate moments" where one of the songs was labelled "Wednesday".

Bloody awful!!..some things should just stay in the vault!

IstenSzek said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think we hear Wednesday in the snippet with Prince singing. I believe people know it as 'What'll I do'

i listened to the piano rehearsal and it's called 'there's no telling what might do'
and prince does actually sing wednesday. it's just been mislabeled all this time.

I just listened to it and you're right. No the best song, but nice to have anyway. At least we now know that it is ok it was left out of the deluxe album...

leadline said:

StevenAnthony said:

"Killing At The Soda Shop" is one of the worst songs I've ever heard, good god.

"Our Destiny" sounds good, but I still prefer the Lisa version. Sorry, Jill.

It's no worse than any of the silly songs on Vanity 6 or Appolonia 6.

"All eight of these dumb, dancy little synth tunes get me off when I let my guard down, and most of them are funny, hooky, and raunchy at the same time." ~The Village Voice, Robert Christgau

IstenSzek said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think we hear Wednesday in the snippet with Prince singing. I believe people know it as 'What'll I do'

i listened to the piano rehearsal and it's called 'there's no telling what might do'
and prince does actually sing wednesday. it's just been mislabeled all this time.

Right thanks I can never remember what it is labelled as.

when U say he sings Wednesday, you mean you hear him say Wednesday? That is what I meant. From the intimate moments piano session and the general snippet I never heard 'Wednesday'

just listening 2 Eavesdropped In Intimate Moments

and there is a 7:55min piano medley from 1983

Strange Relationship

International Lover/Do Me Baby

Wednesday

I had the little snippett of Wednesday() but somehow forgot this piano medley

http://prince.org/msg/7/438847?sub=1

rdhull said:

I dig Jill's emotional vocals compared to Lisa's detached ones. I mean I love them both and it's good to get two distinct voice versions of it.

I always heard Lisa's as doe eyed and 60ish hippie utopian like.
It was a cool contrast to Prince's more 'aggressive' rendition.
Very M 2 F response F 2 M responsive

So cool all this stuff is being unearthed which just continues the mystery of Prince

I mixed Jills vocals with Lisas voice and damn they sound good together on this track!

Mix in a little Prince and BAM Our Destiny is now badass!!!

OldFriends4Sale said:

IstenSzek said:

i listened to the piano rehearsal and it's called 'there's no telling what might do'
and prince does actually sing wednesday. it's just been mislabeled all this time.

Right thanks I can never remember what it is labelled as.

when U say he sings Wednesday, you mean you hear him say Wednesday? That is what I meant. From the intimate moments piano session and the general snippet I never heard 'Wednesday'

just listening 2 Eavesdropped In Intimate Moments

and there is a 7:55min piano medley from 1983

Strange Relationship

International Lover/Do Me Baby

Wednesday

I had the little snippett of Wednesday() but somehow forgot this piano medley

http://prince.org/msg/7/438847?sub=1

yup, e actually sings the word wednesday

Killing at the Soda shop's beat is reminiscent of 'Sister'! Fun!

Interesting to hear the strings here that were later used in Graffiti Bridge!

Wednesday could have been on disc 2 of the unreleased songs.

Our Destiny - these vocals have a bit too much cockiness and swagger for me, I think I prefer Lisa's more gentle style tbh!

[Edited 6/24/17 14:14pm]

I like "Our Destiny" with Jill Jones vocals better. And why couldn't they fit "Wednesday" on Purple Rain Deluxe????

OldFriends4Sale said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I would argue that it's she hates the Revolution, and it's straight up envy that her version wasn't used on the PR deluxe. Because $$$$. If OD/RG wasn't on this set, she would have never leaked these tracks. Why not leak them after he died, or when PR deluxe was announced? She waited because she simply wants to steal some thunder, and put a dent in it.

Having said all that, she deserves credit on the stuff she was on, of course. My point was more about "Our Destiny".

The songs are also on YourListen.com.

[Edited 6/23/17 9:29am]

But that too is misplaced anger. The Revolution had nothing to do with her success or lack. That was all between her and Prince right up until 1990 GB when he had her lip sync a song lead by Elisa Fiorillo. Her career in the Prince camp was Prince.

Regarding "Love Machine", I very very much doubt Jill would have knowingly done a lipsync to someone else's vocal.

I think Jill probably did that vocal originally and then Prince switched it out with Elisa after filming.

Militant said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But that too is misplaced anger. The Revolution had nothing to do with her success or lack. That was all between her and Prince right up until 1990 GB when he had her lip sync a song lead by Elisa Fiorillo. Her career in the Prince camp was Prince.

Regarding "Love Machine", I very very much doubt Jill would have knowingly done a lipsync to someone else's vocal.

I think Jill probably did that vocal originally and then Prince switched it out with Elisa after filming.

Yeah that is what she talked about after the filming.

We talked about that, and how Prince was with her during that filming.

Was there ever a version with Jill on lead vocals?

Love machine #1 (lead vocals by [Prince]) (5:18)
originally recorded June-September 1989 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr. at Paisley Park [6] during the [Corporate World] Album sessions • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with Elisa Fiorillo (co-lead vocals) and Candy Dulfer (saxophone)
written by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr.
previously unreleased (but circulating on bootlegs)

Love machine #2 (5:01)
reworked June-September 1989 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr. at Paisley Park [6] during the [Corporate World] Album sessions • performed by [Prince] (all instruments), [Morris Day] (lead vocals), Elisa Fiorillo (co-lead vocals) and Candy Dulfer (saxophone)
written by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr.
previously unreleased (but circulating on bootlegs)

Love machine #2 (segue) (0:39)
recorded June-September 1989 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] at Paisley Park [6] during the [Corporate World] Album sessions • performed by [Morris Day] & Elisa Fiorillo (both lead vocals) with [Jerome Benton] (background vocals
written by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr.
previously unreleased (but circulating on bootlegs)

Love machine #3 (3:34)
reworked late 1989 by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr. at Paisley Park [6] • performed by [Prince] (all instruments & vocals) with [Morris Day] & Elisa Fiorillo (both lead vocals) and Candy Dulfer (saxophone)
written by [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr. • registered to [Prince] with [Morris Day] & Levi Seacer jr.
finally released 1990 on the [Prince] Album [Graffiti Bridge]

E319 said:

I like "Our Destiny" with Jill Jones vocals better. And why couldn't they fit "Wednesday" on Purple Rain Deluxe????

Hopefully one day a Purple Rain sessions set will come out with snippets and versions and stuff

LOL, these are great. I much prefer the Jill Jones vocals on Our Destiny but I see opinion is divided on that. Great to have both though!

jaawwnn said:

LOL, these are great. I much prefer the Jill Jones vocals on Our Destiny but I see opinion is divided on that. Great to have both though!

I'm greedy. And I'm so promo Prince camp.
Give me all 3 versions!!! lol I love when there is a different take on the perspective via the vessel.
So is the JJ version a recent one sung over an instrumental of the song. I read something about that earlier in the thread I think.

Militant said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But that too is misplaced anger. The Revolution had nothing to do with her success or lack. That was all between her and Prince right up until 1990 GB when he had her lip sync a song lead by Elisa Fiorillo. Her career in the Prince camp was Prince.

Regarding "Love Machine", I very very much doubt Jill would have knowingly done a lipsync to someone else's vocal.

I think Jill probably did that vocal originally and then Prince switched it out with Elisa after filming.

I don't think so. True, sessions for her second album and Corporate World happened in Summer 89 so she may have recorded a version that hasn't been documented (we keep finding out that she's recorded versions of songs we never knew she had, after all...), but by the time the film was shot, the Corporate World Morris/Elisa version had long been in the can, and was obviously the one intended for the movie from the beginning. Even if we admit that Jill had recorded a version for CW before Elisa was overdubbed on it, I can't imagine Prince bothering to use that one for the shoot, to then use Elisa's cut.

Jill was pissed to death when shooting GB anyway, so I guess she just did whatever she was told and flew back to London ASAP.

Those leaks by Jill seem to confirm that she was the one behind the 4 Lust leak in 2011.

OldFriends4Sale said:

But that too is misplaced anger. The Revolution had nothing to do with her success or lack. That was all between her and Prince right up until 1990 GB when he had her lip sync a song lead by Elisa Fiorillo. Her career in the Prince camp was Prince.

I totally agree.

But I will say this: There have been times in the last year or so that Jill has mentioned (ranted) on Facebook about family and being in the midst of something. Frankly, I think Prince dating Susannah, and having Jill around might have caused friction. They both were or wanted to be his #1. I also think based on that theory/idea, Wendy & Lisa (or whoever) might have kind of gotten in the middle and told Jill to back the fuck up. I mean, Susannah and Wendy are twins, a bond only a few understand. So of course Wendy (and her then girlfriend Lisa) are going to defend family to an outsider (of sorts). Those girls (and Jonathan, and David etc) all grew up together from early, early on. It's not even a cat fight, it's a family affair. Jill might have gotten the "back da fuq up" from W&L & company, and got pissed at that, and held a grudge ever since. However, once Susannah wasn't with Prince anymore, she was obviously back around in 1989/1990 for Graffiti Bridge, so why not make a move on him then if she wanted to be with him? (I'm not saying she did want him again, but we don't know.)

Multiply that "back up" business with Bobby, Fink, and Mark... and she could have felt ganged up on had they said something to her as well. (Maybe not.)

So, her anger is sort of placed correctly. BUT only about 1%. Ultimately she's in control of her own actions, and her deeds back then, good or bad. Her angst, at this point 33 years later, makes her sound petty as fuck, and like she's truly the jilted ex-girlfriend trying to diss all the new heifers that came after her. She sorta sounds like Sheila, talking about how she had a 'special bond' with Prince, and she was the only one who knew how he clipped his toenails or whatthefuckever. She called them a Milli Vanilli band, but you know what - no one's asking her to sing "G-Spot" right now. No one's asking her to regroup and sing "Mia Bocca". It's The Revolution that's filling small clubs across the U.S. and playing that music. She could have been part of many things, but chose not to. That's on her at this point, and no one else. So yeah, her anger is ultimately misplaced.