I was not bashing Mayte to make that clear. I was saying that the behavior that Sheila gets ripped on for is not any worse than any one else's. I have said this a million times-- I have reservaations about the timing and the title of Mayte's book. I have reservations about what she might have held back about herself (I recently watched some clips of her reality show and she could fight back and be pretty intense when she wanted to) But I don't hate Mayte. Obviously, Prince saw something in her. Obviously she is trying to be balanced about Prince. Obviously, she suffered a great deal. Having reseravtions about someone is not hating them. IF that were the case, we would hate Prince. No one is above reproach.

As for the Revolution, same thing, I dont' hate them either. I respect them. I think they should get credit for their contributions because they worked hard and have pride in what they did. They think they love Prince also. But I also think they shouldn't assume that everyone lived within that Purple bubble and saw his genius firsthand. So, I challenge them on balanced accounts of their contributions as well as Prince's contributions. They shouldn't take it for granted that others understand how much he did and they shouldn't let their egos or personal feelings limit what a tribute to a fallen musicians should be.

These opinions I am entitled to and in no way do I consider it bashing.

Sheila can be annoying. Occassionally, she likes to act like she is Prince's equal in talent. She is just not. I am sorry. The woman can drum her ass off and Prince's talent trumps her in every other category. But you are not going to seem like a good source where Prince is concerned if you don't seem the credentials. Sheila and the Revolution members all want to show their credentials.

PennyPurple said:

Create a thread for the Mayte bashing then. Who cares. Just stop bringing her into threads that have nothing to do with her. Can we not stay on topic on anything?

Maybe I ask, where did you get this from? Have you been following Sheila E all these years?

U really cannot judge her based on the last few months. She's been working since the 70s with Marvin Gaye George Duke Lionel Ritchie ... she's a hard worker.

purplerabbithole said:

Sheila can be annoying. Occassionally, she likes to act like she is Prince's equal in talent. She is just not. I am sorry. The woman can drum her ass off and Prince's talent trumps her in every other category. But you are not going to seem like a good source where Prince is concerned if you don't seem the credentials. Sheila and the Revolution members all want to show their credentials.

PennyPurple said:

Create a thread for the Mayte bashing then. Who cares. Just stop bringing her into threads that have nothing to do with her. Can we not stay on topic on anything?

Susannah continued and remained friends with Prince through his life time. Even in a 1998 Yahoo or AOL interview talking about how Forever In My Life 'is about Susannah, she knows'

Also he included some secret messages in the ONE video, possibly looking at an early all girls band line up: Wendy Lisa Sheila Cat Susannah Rhonda Marva
I think would have been a hot line up

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during 1 or 2 ONA/Musicology shows Susannah & Wendy joined Prince onstage for A Love Bizarre and Girls & Boys etc

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She along with St Paul & Alan Leeds were in heavy communication with Prince during the period the Family/FDeluxe reformed.

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There was a short period in the 2000s were Prince got mad at her when they were talking on the phone, but then later reconnected.

purplerabbithole said:

• Unlike Susannah, Mayte, Manuela or Jill, she actually did get to see and work with Prince after her brief romance with him cooled. (Well, I guess Prince did call Susannah at one point close to the end)> Sheila wrote about Prince when he was still alive and he never slammed her with a cease and desist or called her out for it. LIke Mayte, she has a tattoo with his symbol on it.. Unlike Mayte, her book was released when he was alive. Sheila knows how to work the press but it doesn't mean she didn't care for Prince. Why is it that the people who have little bad to say about Prince and who were out there making sure his legacy continued are immediately dismissed as merely exploitative just because they happen to want a little attention for their career. She exploited him when he was alive. Now, she is just more sentimental while doing it. But people can carry more than one thought in their head at the same time..(they can exploit and they can love and it can be platonic and messy). Would you believe Sheila more if she wrote down a litany of his flaws and never did any kind of tributes to Prince?

• I swear if one more person dismisses these living, working, feeling and creative women as whores in a harem just because they happen to find Prince enticing, I am going to scream. I am not sure I like all the shit that's gone down with some of these women but they weren't paid prostitutes. Its not that simple.

• Everyone gives the Revolution the benefit of the doubt because they are less tacky and sentimental about Prince. But they aren't exactly doing tributes that feature Prince songs they were uninvolved in and they love getting their credit. All these people want their credit (including Susannah for Starfish and Coffee) When you get down to it, why are they much different than Sheila? And Prince worked more frequently with Sheila than Mark Brown, that's for sure. What did Prince get out of working with Sheila. He was already famous. IF he wanted to just exploit his old associations for sentimental reasons, he would have toured with the Revolution again. Prince was not that sentimental.

TrivialPursuit said:

She looks stupid parading around saying she was Prince's true love (uh heifer, he married twice, and you weren't it either time; he proposed marriage to a few folks too, so that ain't special either), and that she knew him better than anyone (sit down), and getting that damn tattoo w/ the symbol & butterfly, then plastering it on everything. I'ma say it again - I'm surprised she hasn't changed her name to the symbol with the butterfly.

God Jesus and baby Jesus - we get it. You knew Prince. Get over yourself, Sheila. Honestly - you are one in a long line of little pretties.

She could take a note from Susannah, Mayte, Manuela, Jill - anyone who hasn't went around waving a purple flag, covered a purple song, booked a purple cruise, wrote a purple tribute song, is producing a purple tribute album, and just being fucking chill.

Needless to say, that mask is the least on the list of stupid things.

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I wasn't talking about you pruplerabbithole.

purplerabbithole said:

I was not bashing Mayte to make that clear. I was saying that the behavior that Sheila gets ripped on for is not any worse than any one else's. I have said this a million times-- I have reservaations about the timing and the title of Mayte's book. I have reservations about what she might have held back about herself (I recently watched some clips of her reality show and she could fight back and be pretty intense when she wanted to) But I don't hate Mayte. Obviously, Prince saw something in her. Obviously she is trying to be balanced about Prince. Obviously, she suffered a great deal. Having reseravtions about someone is not hating them. IF that were the case, we would hate Prince. No one is above reproach.

As for the Revolution, same thing, I dont' hate them either. I respect them. I think they should get credit for their contributions because they worked hard and have pride in what they did. They think they love Prince also. But I also think they shouldn't assume that everyone lived within that Purple bubble and saw his genius firsthand. So, I challenge them on balanced accounts of their contributions as well as Prince's contributions. They shouldn't take it for granted that others understand how much he did and they shouldn't let their egos or personal feelings limit what a tribute to a fallen musicians should be.

These opinions I am entitled to and in no way do I consider it bashing.

Sheila can be annoying. Occassionally, she likes to act like she is Prince's equal in talent. She is just not. I am sorry. The woman can drum her ass off and Prince's talent trumps her in every other category. But you are not going to seem like a good source where Prince is concerned if you don't seem the credentials. Sheila and the Revolution members all want to show their credentials.

PennyPurple said:

Create a thread for the Mayte bashing then. Who cares. Just stop bringing her into threads that have nothing to do with her. Can we not stay on topic on anything?

I don't know her entire past but rest assured I never thought it began and ended with Prince. I have heard her songs and I just don't think she dances or sings as well as Prince did.

She did take the time to inform people in some of the post-death interviews how much of a fan Prince was of hers. and at times, that got on my nerves a little bit (his death was recent in many of these interviews) ...but I get it..if she doesn't remind people of her credentials during those interviews than she doesn't seem like a legit source about Prince. In other words, no one wants to come off as merely a synchophant or riding on his coattails. Talking about your connection with Prince means talking about what he saw in you as well as what you saw in him. I am not saying she is lying about her credentials either.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe I ask, where did you get this from? Have you been following Sheila E all these years?

U really cannot judge her based on the last few months. She's been working since the 70s with Marvin Gaye George Duke Lionel Ritchie ... she's a hard worker.

purplerabbithole said:

Sheila can be annoying. Occassionally, she likes to act like she is Prince's equal in talent. She is just not. I am sorry. The woman can drum her ass off and Prince's talent trumps her in every other category. But you are not going to seem like a good source where Prince is concerned if you don't seem the credentials. Sheila and the Revolution members all want to show their credentials.

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Actually she is a very good dancer. You need to look at her performances/videos. I loved the syncronized dancing and choreoraphy of her 1984-1986 period. Prince's dancing with not really all that for a long time. But I liked it because it was an expression of his individuality.
But she is not competing with Prince in that respect.

But you said 'she can be annoying' 'occassionally, she like to act like she is Prince's equal' etc where did you get that stuff from?

Again, it seems like, I respectfully say this, that you don't really know from experience anything about her or the individual Revolution members.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't know her entire past but rest assured I never thought it began and ended with Prince. I have heard her songs and I just don't think she dances or sings as well as Prince did.

She did take the time to inform people in some of the post-death interviews how much of a fan Prince was of hers. and at times, that got on my nerves a little bit (his death was recent in many of these interviews) ...but I get it..if she doesn't remind people of her credentials during those interviews than she doesn't seem like a legit source about Prince. In other words, no one wants to come off as merely a synchophant or riding on his coattails. Talking about your connection with Prince means talking about what he saw in you as well as what you saw in him.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe I ask, where did you get this from? Have you been following Sheila E all these years?

U really cannot judge her based on the last few months. She's been working since the 70s with Marvin Gaye George Duke Lionel Ritchie ... she's a hard worker.

purplerabbithole said:

• I swear if one more person dismisses these living, working, feeling and creative women as whores in a harem just because they happen to find Prince enticing, I am going to scream. I am not sure I like all the shit that's gone down with some of these women but they weren't paid prostitutes. Its not that simple

Let me be clear about a few things.

I don't think any of them were part of his quasi-harem or anything of the like. I do think Prince loved the women he was with, probably on different levels, in different ways. They're not whores. Whores are prostitutes, getting money for sex. Not what was going on with any of them. I've never even implied that with them in my rants about Ms. Escovedo.

I don't call into question Sheila's talent or ambition in her music career. She's gone down many paths post-Prince to keep her name relevant, to play music, and to earn a living; something everyone has a right to do.

My beef, and I won't belabor it in another reply, is Sheila's actions post-mortem. I don't think she's handling herself well. Maybe it's a form of grief, of acting out, of mourning. I don't know. But the last time I heard her say something about Prince before he died was that she was no longer, ever never ever, going to work or tour with Prince, and left it at that. Very purposeful and pointed and final.

TrivialPursuit said:

purplerabbithole said:

• I swear if one more person dismisses these living, working, feeling and creative women as whores in a harem just because they happen to find Prince enticing, I am going to scream. I am not sure I like all the shit that's gone down with some of these women but they weren't paid prostitutes. Its not that simple

Let me be clear about a few things.

I don't think any of them were part of his quasi-harem or anything of the like. I do think Prince loved the women he was with, probably on different levels, in different ways. They're not whores. Whores are prostitutes, getting money for sex. Not what was going on with any of them. I've never even implied that with them in my rants about Ms. Escovedo.

I don't call into question Sheila's talent or ambition in her music career. She's gone down many paths post-Prince to keep her name relevant, to play music, and to earn a living; something everyone has a right to do.

My beef, and I won't belabor it in another reply, is Sheila's actions post-mortem. I don't think she's handling herself well. Maybe it's a form of grief, of acting out, of mourning. I don't know. But the last time I heard her say something about Prince before he died was that she was no longer, ever never ever, going to work or tour with Prince, and left it at that. Very purposeful and pointed and final.

But they talked since then because her drums are a part of the Paisley Park and she sent them.

He made amends with a lot of people and it appears she was one of those people.

TrivialPursuit said:

purplerabbithole said:

• I swear if one more person dismisses these living, working, feeling and creative women as whores in a harem just because they happen to find Prince enticing, I am going to scream. I am not sure I like all the shit that's gone down with some of these women but they weren't paid prostitutes. Its not that simple

Let me be clear about a few things.

I don't think any of them were part of his quasi-harem or anything of the like. I do think Prince loved the women he was with, probably on different levels, in different ways. They're not whores. Whores are prostitutes, getting money for sex. Not what was going on with any of them. I've never even implied that with them in my rants about Ms. Escovedo.

I don't call into question Sheila's talent or ambition in her music career. She's gone down many paths post-Prince to keep her name relevant, to play music, and to earn a living; something everyone has a right to do.

My beef, and I won't belabor it in another reply, is Sheila's actions post-mortem. I don't think she's handling herself well. Maybe it's a form of grief, of acting out, of mourning. I don't know. But the last time I heard her say something about Prince before he died was that she was no longer, ever never ever, going to work or tour with Prince, and left it at that. Very purposeful and pointed and final.

Well to her credit, she was probably hurt. And Sheila E no matter what for the majority of her time, has rarely said anything non praiseworthy about Prince. I always thought it was kinda 'interesting' how she never went a little deeper. Even her book, never really went a little deeper. Outside of things I knew.

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I was following her around the time, you are talking about. And I do remember the 'happy' post of 'the call' she got and flying to Minneapolis to see Prince.

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So I believe things were made right. But I still understand her reply to what happened.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well to her credit, she was probably hurt. And Sheila E no matter what for the majority of her time, has rarely said anything non praiseworthy about Prince. I always thought it was kinda 'interesting' how she never went a little deeper. Even her book, never really went a little deeper. Outside of things I knew.

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I was following her around the time, you are talking about. And I do remember the 'happy' post of 'the call' she got and flying to Minneapolis to see Prince.

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So I believe things were made right. But I still understand her reply to what happened.

I remember back in the 80s, when she split from Prince after her third record, that there were rumors of money issues between the two of them. When I heard it again years later, I was not surprised. I always wondered if "Sex Cymbal" was a dig at Prince.

It is interesting that she skimmed over Prince in her book, opposed to how she's practically a walking audiobook these days, new chapters daily.

Thanks.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Susannah continued and remained friends with Prince through his life time. Even in a 1998 Yahoo or AOL interview talking about how Forever In My Life 'is about Susannah, she knows'

Also he included some secret messages in the ONE video, possibly looking at an early all girls band line up: Wendy Lisa Sheila Cat Susannah Rhonda Marva
I think would have been a hot line up

.

during 1 or 2 ONA/Musicology shows Susannah & Wendy joined Prince onstage for A Love Bizarre and Girls & Boys etc

.

She along with St Paul & Alan Leeds were in heavy communication with Prince during the period the Family/FDeluxe reformed.

.

There was a short period in the 2000s were Prince got mad at her when they were talking on the phone, but then later reconnected.

purplerabbithole said:

• Unlike Susannah, Mayte, Manuela or Jill, she actually did get to see and work with Prince after her brief romance with him cooled. (Well, I guess Prince did call Susannah at one point close to the end)> Sheila wrote about Prince when he was still alive and he never slammed her with a cease and desist or called her out for it. LIke Mayte, she has a tattoo with his symbol on it.. Unlike Mayte, her book was released when he was alive. Sheila knows how to work the press but it doesn't mean she didn't care for Prince. Why is it that the people who have little bad to say about Prince and who were out there making sure his legacy continued are immediately dismissed as merely exploitative just because they happen to want a little attention for their career. She exploited him when he was alive. Now, she is just more sentimental while doing it. But people can carry more than one thought in their head at the same time..(they can exploit and they can love and it can be platonic and messy). Would you believe Sheila more if she wrote down a litany of his flaws and never did any kind of tributes to Prince?

• I swear if one more person dismisses these living, working, feeling and creative women as whores in a harem just because they happen to find Prince enticing, I am going to scream. I am not sure I like all the shit that's gone down with some of these women but they weren't paid prostitutes. Its not that simple.

• Everyone gives the Revolution the benefit of the doubt because they are less tacky and sentimental about Prince. But they aren't exactly doing tributes that feature Prince songs they were uninvolved in and they love getting their credit. All these people want their credit (including Susannah for Starfish and Coffee) When you get down to it, why are they much different than Sheila? And Prince worked more frequently with Sheila than Mark Brown, that's for sure. What did Prince get out of working with Sheila. He was already famous. IF he wanted to just exploit his old associations for sentimental reasons, he would have toured with the Revolution again. Prince was not that sentimental.

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To prove my validity, I am going to say a lot of stuff you probably already know..Sorry--apologies in advance.

I have watched many of Prince's concerts online and seen Sheila's videos as well as her performances with PRince (maybe not as many of you have seen). . I don't avoid his associates' work. She is a good dancer (from what I am seeing) and she has some songs I am very fond of.. He was still a better dancer in my opinion. In his concert footage from Dirty Mind until about Purple Rain, his dancing was (like you said) more of an expression of himself. ("maybe not really all that" but the athletism in some of his moves was really difficult.) By Sign of the Times, he was quite a great dancer (he was holding his own with Cat Glover.) IMO. The 90's was when his dancing was most impressive IMO. But the 90's is not his peak so of course most folks are not going to notice as much.

I didn't say she was a bad dancer. I said he was a better one or least developed into a better one. Michael Jackson was a better dancer technically than he was. (although Prince's dancing was still preferrable to me because it was sexier and looser than his.) Even the stuff Prince was doing in 2011 during the Welcome to America tour (the dance solos after Kiss) were mind blowing to me because he was 52 years old and had a history of hip issues, because he was both smooth and precise (even humorous), and because each one of the five versions I saw were slightly different. There is so much stuff online now (sad irony).

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually she is a very good dancer. You need to look at her performances/videos. I loved the syncronized dancing and choreoraphy of her 1984-1986 period. Prince's dancing with not really all that for a long time. But I liked it because it was an expression of his individuality.
But she is not competing with Prince in that respect.

But you said 'she can be annoying' 'occassionally, she like to act like she is Prince's equal' etc where did you get that stuff from?

Again, it seems like, I respectfully say this, that you don't really know from experience anything about her or the individual Revolution members.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't know her entire past but rest assured I never thought it began and ended with Prince. I have heard her songs and I just don't think she dances or sings as well as Prince did.

She did take the time to inform people in some of the post-death interviews how much of a fan Prince was of hers. and at times, that got on my nerves a little bit (his death was recent in many of these interviews) ...but I get it..if she doesn't remind people of her credentials during those interviews than she doesn't seem like a legit source about Prince. In other words, no one wants to come off as merely a synchophant or riding on his coattails. Talking about your connection with Prince means talking about what he saw in you as well as what you saw in him.

Can you elaborate on the happy post and call about seeing Prince in MN. What year was that?? I do know she was mad at Prince for being inconsiderate of her family's time and I believe replacing her with Larry Graham for part of tour in 2011... Are my facts correct on that one.

Thank you.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Let me be clear about a few things.

I don't think any of them were part of his quasi-harem or anything of the like. I do think Prince loved the women he was with, probably on different levels, in different ways. They're not whores. Whores are prostitutes, getting money for sex. Not what was going on with any of them. I've never even implied that with them in my rants about Ms. Escovedo.

I don't call into question Sheila's talent or ambition in her music career. She's gone down many paths post-Prince to keep her name relevant, to play music, and to earn a living; something everyone has a right to do.

My beef, and I won't belabor it in another reply, is Sheila's actions post-mortem. I don't think she's handling herself well. Maybe it's a form of grief, of acting out, of mourning. I don't know. But the last time I heard her say something about Prince before he died was that she was no longer, ever never ever, going to work or tour with Prince, and left it at that. Very purposeful and pointed and final.

Well to her credit, she was probably hurt. And Sheila E no matter what for the majority of her time, has rarely said anything non praiseworthy about Prince. I always thought it was kinda 'interesting' how she never went a little deeper. Even her book, never really went a little deeper. Outside of things I knew.

.

I was following her around the time, you are talking about. And I do remember the 'happy' post of 'the call' she got and flying to Minneapolis to see Prince.

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So I believe things were made right. But I still understand her reply to what happened.

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TrivialPursuit said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well to her credit, she was probably hurt. And Sheila E no matter what for the majority of her time, has rarely said anything non praiseworthy about Prince. I always thought it was kinda 'interesting' how she never went a little deeper. Even her book, never really went a little deeper. Outside of things I knew.

.

I was following her around the time, you are talking about. And I do remember the 'happy' post of 'the call' she got and flying to Minneapolis to see Prince.

.

So I believe things were made right. But I still understand her reply to what happened.

I remember back in the 80s, when she split from Prince after her third record, that there were rumors of money issues between the two of them. When I heard it again years later, I was not surprised. I always wondered if "Sex Cymbal" was a dig at Prince.

It is interesting that she skimmed over Prince in her book, opposed to how she's practically a walking audiobook these days, new chapters daily.

The money issues according to her were with his management. After listening to what Perry Jones said on the Mike Dean Podcast about Prince's mgmt I am not surprised at all. There was a long drawn out suit between Prince and his management later on so he got the same treatment she did.

Yeah it was maybe the year AoA was released

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Prince had her and her keyboardist Cassandra join the band for the Welcome 2 Europe tour, 1/2 way in he removes Sheila before heading to Italy and keeps Cassandra

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Then by the Welcome 2 America tour after being on the West Coast (She had performed with him in the States) he removed her and the EFamily and gave it to Larry.

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I think she felt in the moment she had to look out more for her (band/family) future/money. I think it was Detroit where he called for her again and she bowed out.

purplerabbithole said:

Can you elaborate on the happy post and call about seeing Prince in MN. What year was that?? I do know she was mad at Prince for being inconsiderate of her family's time and I believe replacing her with Larry Graham for part of tour in 2011... Are my facts correct on that one.

Thank you.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Well to her credit, she was probably hurt. And Sheila E no matter what for the majority of her time, has rarely said anything non praiseworthy about Prince. I always thought it was kinda 'interesting' how she never went a little deeper. Even her book, never really went a little deeper. Outside of things I knew.

.

I was following her around the time, you are talking about. And I do remember the 'happy' post of 'the call' she got and flying to Minneapolis to see Prince.

.

So I believe things were made right. But I still understand her reply to what happened.

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