rdhull said:

SoulAlive said:

endiadj said: then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of". .. [Edited 6/26/17 16:42pm]

and he made sure to take The Time off the performances in major cities like Los Angeles etc so they wouldn't get shine or upstage him in the reviews. Folks dont understand, The Time was happenin with the kids etc and Prince was just weird to them.

The Time becomes a threat

On 11 November 1982, The Time left to tour with Prince as support on the 1999 tour. Dubbed the "Triple Threat tour," the tour also featured Vanity 6. The Time also functioned as Vanity 6's backing group, playing behind a stage curtain. Jerome Benton was added to The Time line-up as a dancer and Morris' valet on stage.

If Vanity 6's short opening set seemed somewhat silly, The Time's tight dance grooves, high-spirited stage moves and routines made them an exciting live band and they were usually very well received.

On a day off from the tour, in December 1982, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis went to Atlanta for a session with the SOS Band. They had been writing and producing material for other groups, including Klymaxx and the SOS Band. However, when they were going to fly back, they were snowed in at the airport and failed to make it back to a concert in San Antonio.

For the show, Jerome Benton, who appeared as Morris Day's valet in The Time's act, strapped on a bass guitar and pretended to play the instrument while Prince stood in the shadows playing Terry Lewis' bass lines. Jill Jones stood in for Jimmy Jam.

Jimmy and Terry fulfilled their 1999 tour commitments, but things between them and Prince were never the same, and they were fired from The Time after the tour. Jimmy doesn't attribute it only to their non-attendance, "Prince didn't want to break the group up, but the snowstorm provided the excuse he needed to fire us two. He thought we were off seeing some girls. Then he saw our picture in Billboard or something with the SOS Band, and all that changed. Seems like it was OK to be off seeing girls, but not OK to be furthering your own career."

The 1999 tour continued after a one-month break in January of 1983. On the 1983 tour, The Time were sometimes demoted from the bill. No official reasons were given for their occasional exclusion, but it's quite likely that Prince didn't want to risk being upstaged in some of the major cities. For example, at the shows in Los Angeles and New York in March 1983, the bill was just Vanity 6 and Prince.

Without a doubt, The Time's unpretentious music and light-hearted show contrasted with Prince's more ambitious and elabo rate theatrics. Morris Day thinks The Time were becoming a threat to Prince, adding that The Time's success caught many by surprise, "I think the whole thing was never expected to be anything more than an opening act. There used to be some arguments before going onstage about things that I would do that were conflicting with the things that Prince would do. I was told not to do certain things, certain dances."

rdhull said:

endiadj said:

Prince was The Time. How do you get outdone by yourself?

With the players (Jimmy, Terry, Monte, Jesse, 'Bean, Morris) in a live concert is how. While Prince was busy being an enigma that sometimes didnt work out too well with the audience, The Time were busy throwin down, giving the people what they wanted with no pretentiousness.

In the long run the 'enigma' was the thing that created the mythos of Prince and gave him more depth. I wish the Time had more of that early on. Easy to get stuck in that role.

I wish the Time back then had more songs that went along with their image of guys trying to make it, songs that dealt with reflection beyond being a player. Like Pop Life, Movie Star, Dance On, Love or Money etc and Uptown should have been a part of their set list.

SoulAlive said:

endiadj said:

Prince was one of the greatest live performers ever. Don't get why he would say he was afraid anyone would upstage him.

then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of".


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[Edited 6/26/17 16:42pm]

endiadj said:

SoulAlive said:

then why do YOU think he removed The Time from those shows? Back then,the Time were getting a lot of raves for their live performances,especially with R&B/funk fans and the black media.Prince later admitted that they were "the only band that I was ever afraid of". .. [Edited 6/26/17 16:42pm]

What I'm saying is, there was no real need for him to be worried. He was the man behind the music, basically. Maybe just paranoia.

Yeah, maybe at the time, he did not see his full long term power yet.

Breaking up the Time just did not make sense on the edge of this Purple Reign 1983-1985

And I would have given Vanity that money just to make sure it all happened.

OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

With the players (Jimmy, Terry, Monte, Jesse, 'Bean, Morris) in a live concert is how. While Prince was busy being an enigma that sometimes didnt work out too well with the audience, The Time were busy throwin down, giving the people what they wanted with no pretentiousness.

In the long run the 'enigma' was the thing that created the mythos of Prince and gave him more depth. I wish the Time had more of that early on. Easy to get stuck in that role.

I wish the Time back then had more songs that went along with their image of guys trying to make it, songs that dealt with reflection beyond being a player. Like Pop Life, Movie Star, Dance On, Love or Money etc and Uptown should have been a part of their set list.

Those are not Time songs. The Time was about players and players do not ponder their actions they just live it. I always thought the The Time was Prince exploring his player and silly side.

According to Morris Day Prince was not as a serious person as he made his public persona out to be.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

In the long run the 'enigma' was the thing that created the mythos of Prince and gave him more depth. I wish the Time had more of that early on. Easy to get stuck in that role.

I wish the Time back then had more songs that went along with their image of guys trying to make it, songs that dealt with reflection beyond being a player. Like Pop Life, Movie Star, Dance On, Love or Money etc and Uptown should have been a part of their set list.

Those are not Time songs. The Time was about players and players do not ponder their actions they just live it. I always thought the The Time was Prince exploring his player and silly side.

According to Morris Day Prince was not as a serious person as he made his public persona out to be.

Doesn't matter, it is Prince connected. Sheila E and Mazarati would do Prince songs during their sets like America and Head.
Sheila E has done Pop Life America and a few others during her shows (pre 4.21.2016)

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I'm saying in the long run of filling out their shows because it is their connection with Prince. The direction and vision 4 the Time was not just players. And yes players (because they are human) do ponder their actions.

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Think about Gigolos Get Lonely Too & I Don't Want 2 Leave U... That is someone pondering life beyond being a player. And falling in love.

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Look at the whole catalogue of unreleased songs.
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Hi School (what are U doing after High School) someone thinking about life and making it.

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They were about style and making it from the stoop to the big city and fame and fortune

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OneDayImGonnaBSomeBody

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Jerk Out (a What Time Is It? outtake) pondering thru sex(S&M directly) economic racial class issues

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Bold Generation(What Time Is It?) outtake)) easily seems like a song beyond 'playing'

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and because they grow up as all people should after having 'made it' ie Purple Rain, looking back over their lives so far (Tonight, I'm A)MOVIE STAR. Movie Star being inspired by Morris Day.

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Pop Life, Love or Money, Uptown, Hot Thang, I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man, International Love(What Time Is It? intended outtake) Erotic City etc easily fit in their set list.
I could even see Sheila & Morris dueting on A Love Bizarre.

I'm also glad Morris Day is doing some drumming in their live shows. Long time coming 4 that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Those are not Time songs. The Time was about players and players do not ponder their actions they just live it. I always thought the The Time was Prince exploring his player and silly side.

According to Morris Day Prince was not as a serious person as he made his public persona out to be.

Doesn't matter, it is Prince connected. Sheila E and Mazarati would do Prince songs during their sets like America and Head.
Sheila E has done Pop Life America and a few others during her shows (pre 4.21.2016)

.

I'm saying in the long run of filling out their shows because it is their connection with Prince. The direction and vision 4 the Time was not just players. And yes players (because they are human) do ponder their actions.

.

Think about Gigolos Get Lonely Too & I Don't Want 2 Leave U... That is someone pondering life beyond being a player. And falling in love.

.

Look at the whole catalogue of unreleased songs.
.
Hi School (what are U doing after High School) someone thinking about life and making it.

.

They were about style and making it from the stoop to the big city and fame and fortune

.

OneDayImGonnaBSomeBody

.

Jerk Out (a What Time Is It? outtake) pondering thru sex(S&M directly) economic racial class issues

.

Bold Generation(What Time Is It?) outtake)) easily seems like a song beyond 'playing'

.

and because they grow up as all people should after having 'made it' ie Purple Rain, looking back over their lives so far (Tonight, I'm A)MOVIE STAR. Movie Star being inspired by Morris Day.

.

Pop Life, Love or Money, Uptown, Hot Thang, I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man, International Love(What Time Is It? intended outtake) Erotic City etc easily fit in their set list.
I could even see Sheila & Morris dueting on A Love Bizarre.

I'm also glad Morris Day is doing some drumming in their live shows. Long time coming 4 that.

See the definiton of player

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The songs you are referencing would have killed the player vibe back in the 80s. They are older now so no big deal if they want to cover the songs. Also I cannot figure out why people think the Time would have had a long life by the late 80s RnB bands had vanisihed to be replaced by rappers. It is next to impossible to get a RnB band with a bunch of guys to cross over to pop and Prince was already going in that direction and the Time would have never made it.

They could not even make it work years later when Prince was not involved as some members do not want to tour and promote the music.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Doesn't matter, it is Prince connected. Sheila E and Mazarati would do Prince songs during their sets like America and Head.
Sheila E has done Pop Life America and a few others during her shows (pre 4.21.2016)

.

I'm saying in the long run of filling out their shows because it is their connection with Prince. The direction and vision 4 the Time was not just players. And yes players (because they are human) do ponder their actions.

.

Think about Gigolos Get Lonely Too & I Don't Want 2 Leave U... That is someone pondering life beyond being a player. And falling in love.

.

Look at the whole catalogue of unreleased songs.
.
Hi School (what are U doing after High School) someone thinking about life and making it.

.

They were about style and making it from the stoop to the big city and fame and fortune

.

OneDayImGonnaBSomeBody

.

Jerk Out (a What Time Is It? outtake) pondering thru sex(S&M directly) economic racial class issues

.

Bold Generation(What Time Is It?) outtake)) easily seems like a song beyond 'playing'

.

and because they grow up as all people should after having 'made it' ie Purple Rain, looking back over their lives so far (Tonight, I'm A)MOVIE STAR. Movie Star being inspired by Morris Day.

.

Pop Life, Love or Money, Uptown, Hot Thang, I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man, International Love(What Time Is It? intended outtake) Erotic City etc easily fit in their set list.
I could even see Sheila & Morris dueting on A Love Bizarre.

I'm also glad Morris Day is doing some drumming in their live shows. Long time coming 4 that.

See the definiton of player

player

A male who is skilled at manipulating ("playing") others, and especially at seducing women by pretending to care about them, when in reality they are only interested in sex. Possibly derived from the phrases "play him for a fool", or "play him like a violin". The term was popularized by hip-hop culture, but was commonly recognized among urban American blacks by the 1970s.

A certain class of low-rent, slack-jawed fuckups has decided that backstabbing and misogyny are totally radical, so the word is sometimes used as a compliment or term of endearment between male friends, as in the greeting "what's up, player?".

Gina thought she had found the love of her life when she met Sean, but after she found out he had slept with three of her best friends, she realized that he was nothing but a player.

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The songs you are referencing would have killed the player vibe back in the 80s. They are older now so no big deal if they want to cover the songs. Also I cannot figure out why people think the Time would have had a long life by the late 80s RnB bands had vanisihed to be replaced by rappers. It is next to impossible to get a RnB band with a bunch of guys to cross over to pop and Prince was already going in that direction and the Time would have never made it.

They could not even make it work years later when Prince was not involved as some members do not want to tour and promote the music.

It is an image, 1/2 the guys in the band were married faithful and with children.

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They were not 'players' as much as 'gigoloes' like Christopher & Tricky were 2 be in UTCM.

Christopher & Tricky did not fit that 'player' definition, it is clear both were exporing who they were, love via family friendship lovers, life, classism and the future. And both allegedly changed at the end.

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The Time vision does not go along with that definition.
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They could have worked if their repertoire of songs exanded more into other areas

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It is an image, 1/2 the guys in the band were married faithful and with children.

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They were not 'players' as much as 'gigoloes' like Christopher & Tricky were 2 be in UTCM.

Christopher & Tricky did not fit that 'player' definition, it is clear both were exporing who they were, love via family friendship lovers, life, classism and the future. And both allegedly changed at the end.

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The Time vision does not go along with that definition.
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They could have worked if their repetror of songs exanded more into other areas

--/You have no idea who was faithful. I believe Terry Lewis is on his third or fourth wife. On another message one of the uptown girls had somethings to say about the guys down the road at Flyte Tyne being a little raunchy.

I assume (until proven guilty) they were not players.

They were not players. Like Vanity 6 were not hookers or high society ladies
They were sending money back to their families.

Just because someone is divorced doesn't mean they were not faithful.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I assume (until proven guilty) they were not players.

They were not players. Like Vanity 6 were not hookers or high society ladies
They were sending money back to their families.

Just because someone is divorced doesn't mean they were not faithful.

What does sending money back to your family have to do with being a player? I never said anything about Vanity Sixx being hookers we are not discussing them. What about Morris saying he sometimes sent women down to women with a bow on their heads as a gift. Does he sound respectful to you?

I said the guys were not players. The gigolo image was just that a character role

Just like Vanity 6 were not hookers, even though that was a part of their character role.

Sent women down to with a bow?

You mean sending ladies to Prince?

How does that make him a player?

Look, the Time's protege direction were not 'players' they were men trying to make it uptown to the big life, and being gigolos very different from simple players was a part of it. Like Christopher & Tricky. That film could have easily been a Time movie

school is in session

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I said the guys were not players. The gigolo image was just that a character role

Just like Vanity 6 were not hookers, even though that was a part of their character role.

Sent women down to with a bow?

You mean sending ladies to Prince?

How does that make him a player?

Look, the Time's protege direction were not 'players' they were men trying to make it uptown to the big life, and being gigolos very different from simple players was a part of it. Like Christopher & Tricky. That film could have easily been a Time movie

school is in session

---Yes,it is does make him a player. He referred to the women as gifts. The only one that needs a dunce cap on this board are people who live their lives in some bubble and are clueless to what goes on between consenting adults. If you think Morris sent women to Prince's room with a bow on their head to play Jacks and Pick Up sticks than go get fitted for your cap.

seriously stop.
U don't understand the vision 4 the Time

You said a player doesn't care about contimplating life etc etc

Yet each album proves the opposite...

and UTCM's whole premise was to show the opposite

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I said the guys were not players. The gigolo image was just that a character role

Just like Vanity 6 were not hookers, even though that was a part of their character role.

Sent women down to with a bow?

You mean sending ladies to Prince?

How does that make him a player?

Look, the Time's protege direction were not 'players' they were men trying to make it uptown to the big life, and being gigolos very different from simple players was a part of it. Like Christopher & Tricky. That film could have easily been a Time movie

school is in session

---Yes,it is does make him a player. He referred to the women as gifts. The only one that needs a dunce cap on this board are people who live their lives in some bubble and are clueless to what goes on between consenting adults. If you think Morris sent women to Prince's room with a bow on their head to play Jacks and Pick Up sticks than go get fitted for your cap.

I was thinkin' Chutes and Ladders...

No?...Um...Sorry...I'll just step out of y'all's way...Please continue...

luvgirl said:

I knew things were fishy when in the beginning of the book, everyone was thanked from that era (including Susan Moonsie, and Jill jones) but no Vanity...

Where does Susan Moonsie get thanked?

langebleu said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just love Jellybean, he came out hard, but he was being honest

BBP: So why do you think the women get treated better?

Johnson: This goes all the way back to Vanity 6, Apollonia 6, and how we used to get treated because of them. We played for Vanity 6 and we were in their band, we didn’t get but an extra $100 for doing that shit…and when we came to major cities like New York, L.A., he booted our asses off there. He kept them, made us play for them and wouldn’t let The Time play. Do you know what it’s like to have a major star—Quincy Jones, Sting—coming to see us, and we don’t play?

He still didn't explain why he thought they got treated better though...

Oops I think he did in the next paragraph. I didn't post that one. He said some stuff about 3rd Eye Girl lol Jellybean is so country I love it

luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Apollonia seemed cool with Vanity after the PR thing. If she said something it could have been an insistence from Prince. Like when he had Jerome clowning his friend(Morris Day) during the A Love Bizarre video about the Oak Tree

I think overall the women were pretty mature as could be in the environment, compartmentalizing it all. I read some things by Lisa that were very flattering of Vanity. I doubt Wendy would have any issue with her either

Wow, I didn't know that. Can you share what you read or tell me where to find what Lisa said about Vanity?

Yes, I'll scan through my stuff

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: ---Yes,it is does make him a player. He referred to the women as gifts. The only one that needs a dunce cap on this board are people who live their lives in some bubble and are clueless to what goes on between consenting adults. If you think Morris sent women to Prince's room with a bow on their head to play Jacks and Pick Up sticks than go get fitted for your cap.

I was thinkin' Chutes and Ladders...

No?...Um...Sorry...I'll just step out of y'all's way...Please continue...

Nah some people on this board think the guys in the Time and Prince would be playing Chutes and Ladders with the ladies and does not seem to understand what the word "Players" even means. Despite my directing them to the Urban Dictionary.

LOL

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

I was thinkin' Chutes and Ladders...

No?...Um...Sorry...I'll just step out of y'all's way...Please continue...

Nah some people on this board think the guys in the Time and Prince would be playing Chutes and Ladders with the ladies and does not seem to understand what the word "Players" even means. Despite my directing them to the Urban Dictionary.

LOL

And your hard head was already shown how wrong you are. Point after point.
What the Time had in their music and the 'players' of UTCM both showed growth and that

people did not have to be limited to your view of the world living vicariously

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Nah some people on this board think the guys in the Time and Prince would be playing Chutes and Ladders with the ladies and does not seem to understand what the word "Players" even means. Despite my directing them to the Urban Dictionary.

LOL

And your hard head was already shown how wrong you are. Point after point.
What the Time had in their music and the 'players' of UTCM both showed growth and that

people did not have to be limited to your view of the world living vicariously

No one is disscusing Under The Chery Moon at all. This is exactly what I am talking about. You do not comprehend the concept of the Time back at the beginning of the groups first album.

I have no idea what shape the concept would have taken had the group consistenly put out albums but Morris had been playing the role of a player for 30 years and I guess you did not notice.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

And your hard head was already shown how wrong you are. Point after point.
What the Time had in their music and the 'players' of UTCM both showed growth and that

people did not have to be limited to your view of the world living vicariously

No one is disscusing Under The Chery Moon at all. This is exactly what I am talking about. You do not comprehend the concept of the Time back at the beginning of the groups first album.

I have no idea what shape the concept would have taken had the group consistenly put out albums but Morris had been playing the role of a player for 30 years and I guess you did not notice.

Yeah You tried to define Players as a certain way... go back and read what YOU said and posted.
Christopher & Tricky were 'Players' and they contradicted YOUR definition.

AND in discussing the Time, I pointed out songs that contradicted YOUR definintion of the box you placed the Time in. They were were not just gigaloes. And they contemplated life.

Honestly...

I thought The Time was more like lowkey pimps...the Stacey Adams, walking cane, the vain personas, the conked hair, the throne MD sat on, the clean suits and the "valet"...blatant politically incorrect exploitation and disregard for and objectifying of females as possessions and as disposable and merely for sexual gratification, not for anything involving intelligence or opinion...Pimps also recognize a complicated heirarchy of the women...the number 1 woman and the rest of the stable are not equal...

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UTCM the guys were gigolos, which was different because THEY were the objectified ones as sexual objects that could be bought for wealthy/powerful women's pleasure, generally not valued for their intelligence or opinions...all the female patrons are in power over the gigolo, he has not true power...

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And I can't speak to anyone else's experience with this but in my NY area a player would be more of an every day sorta gut who THINKS he's a pimp, and may approach many women, but also sees himself as a gigolo and assumes any woman in the vicinity wants him...But he also may recognize the value of other traits a woman may possess besides sexual...the power dynamic is fluid within this relationship structure...often the woman has power that she is unaware of and the player is more vulnerable than they let on...

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[Edited 7/3/17 8:32am]

LBrent said:

Honestly...

I thought The Time was more like lowkey pimps...the Stacey Adams, walking cane, the vain personas, the conked hair, the throne MD sat on, the clean suits and the "valet"...blatant politically incorrect exploitation and disregard for and objectifying of females as possessions and as disposable and merely for sexual gratification, not for anything involving intelligence or opinion...Pimps also recognize a complicated heirarchy of the women...the number 1 woman and the rest of the stable are not equal...

.

UTCM the guys were gigolos, which was different because THEY were the objectified ones as sexual objects that could be bought for wealthy/powerful women's pleasure, generally not valued for their intelligence or opinions...all the female patrons are in power over the gigolo, he has not true power...

.

And I can't speak to anyone else's experience with this but in my NY area a player would be more of an every day sorta gut who THINKS he's a pimp, and may approach many women, but also sees himself as a gigolo and assumes any woman in the vicinity wants him...But he also may recognize the value of other traits a woman may possess besides sexual...the power dynamic is fluid within this relationship structure...often the woman has power that she is unaware of and the player is more vulnerable than they let on...

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[Edited 7/3/17 8:32am]

the Time, What Time Is It? Gigolos Get Lonely Too

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Obviously the Time is a characterization like Vanity 6 (originally the Hookers) were some similitude of High Society Women, or any society women, who also represented different fantasies from the Barely Legal 2 the Dominitrix to the Biker Chick etc

.

When U look at the Music released and unreleased that circulated 4 the Time(just in the 1981-1984 period) They have a wider palet than 'players'
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I've also seen them as the guys on the stoop dreaming about making it big
.
After High School -looking at a current situation and preparing for tomorrow and change, rebellion even

.
OneDayI'mGonnaBeSomebody -I'm gonna say my prayers and work real hard. gonna make somebody proud

.

contemplating the fast lifestyle:Gigolos Get Lonely Too
.
the dreamy ideas of falling in love and transceding race thru love via Ice Cream Castles

.

I Don't Want 2 Leave U, someone wanting to hold on to love(this isn't a player)

Girl,

(outtake) My Love Belongs 2 U

.

(outtake) Jerk Out

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(outtake)Bold Generation (just the title alone) probably is going into a direction of Social Culture

.

Obviously the Time, was not set in stone as 1 type and not meant to define a type

OldFriends4Sale said:

LBrent said:

Honestly...

I thought The Time was more like lowkey pimps...the Stacey Adams, walking cane, the vain personas, the conked hair, the throne MD sat on, the clean suits and the "valet"...blatant politically incorrect exploitation and disregard for and objectifying of females as possessions and as disposable and merely for sexual gratification, not for anything involving intelligence or opinion...Pimps also recognize a complicated heirarchy of the women...the number 1 woman and the rest of the stable are not equal...

.

UTCM the guys were gigolos, which was different because THEY were the objectified ones as sexual objects that could be bought for wealthy/powerful women's pleasure, generally not valued for their intelligence or opinions...all the female patrons are in power over the gigolo, he has not true power...

.

And I can't speak to anyone else's experience with this but in my NY area a player would be more of an every day sorta gut who THINKS he's a pimp, and may approach many women, but also sees himself as a gigolo and assumes any woman in the vicinity wants him...But he also may recognize the value of other traits a woman may possess besides sexual...the power dynamic is fluid within this relationship structure...often the woman has power that she is unaware of and the player is more vulnerable than they let on...

.

[Edited 7/3/17 8:32am]

the Time, What Time Is It? Gigolos Get Lonely Too

.

Obviously the Time is a characterization like Vanity 6 (originally the Hookers) were some similitude of High Society Women, or any society women, who also represented different fantasies from the Barely Legal 2 the Dominitrix to the Biker Chick etc

.

When U look at the Music released and unreleased that circulated 4 the Time(just in the 1981-1984 period) They have a wider palet than 'players'
.
I've also seen them as the guys on the stoop dreaming about making it big
.
After High School -looking at a current situation and preparing for tomorrow and change, rebellion even

.
OneDayI'mGonnaBeSomebody -I'm gonna say my prayers and work real hard. gonna make somebody proud

.

contemplating the fast lifestyle:Gigolos Get Lonely Too
.
the dreamy ideas of falling in love and transceding race thru love via Ice Cream Castles

.

I Don't Want 2 Leave U, someone wanting to hold on to love(this isn't a player)

Girl,

(outtake) My Love Belongs 2 U

.

(outtake) Jerk Out

.

(outtake)Bold Generation (just the title alone) probably is going into a direction of Social Culture

.

Obviously the Time, was not set in stone as 1 type and not meant to define a type

I truly do get what you're saying, but keep in mind that you are interpretting from the viewpoint of a man, and I am interpretting from the viewpoint of a woman...

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We are looking at the very same things, but our point of context is completely different because of our own experience of sexual politics due to our gender...I'm not saying that your interpretation is wrong when you see it from your angle...What I'm trying to point out is the view from a woman's angle as well...

LBrent said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Time, What Time Is It? Gigolos Get Lonely Too

.

Obviously the Time is a characterization like Vanity 6 (originally the Hookers) were some similitude of High Society Women, or any society women, who also represented different fantasies from the Barely Legal 2 the Dominitrix to the Biker Chick etc

.

When U look at the Music released and unreleased that circulated 4 the Time(just in the 1981-1984 period) They have a wider palet than 'players'
.
I've also seen them as the guys on the stoop dreaming about making it big
.
After High School -looking at a current situation and preparing for tomorrow and change, rebellion even

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OneDayI'mGonnaBeSomebody -I'm gonna say my prayers and work real hard. gonna make somebody proud

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contemplating the fast lifestyle:Gigolos Get Lonely Too
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the dreamy ideas of falling in love and transceding race thru love via Ice Cream Castles

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I Don't Want 2 Leave U, someone wanting to hold on to love(this isn't a player)

Girl,

(outtake) My Love Belongs 2 U

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(outtake) Jerk Out

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(outtake)Bold Generation (just the title alone) probably is going into a direction of Social Culture

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Obviously the Time, was not set in stone as 1 type and not meant to define a type

I truly do get what you're saying, but keep in mind that you are interpretting from the viewpoint of a man, and I am interpretting from the viewpoint of a woman...

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We are looking at the very same things, but our point of context is completely different because of our own experience of sexual politics due to our gender...I'm not saying that your interpretation is wrong when you see it from your angle...What I'm trying to point out is the view from a woman's angle as well...

Trust me, I get the objectification. I mean I was a young person when I first got into all of this. And I was far from being someone who objectified women. Or even understood the need for that.

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My explaination to Laurarichardson, was about songs that I thought would go along with their 'protege' direction ie purple vision etc.

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For example all of them: the Time Vanity 6 Apollonia 6 Prince, at that time period all had a perspective of 'Making It' OneDayI'mGonnaBSomebody, the Glamorous Life, Vanity/Apollonia's character. The movie the Time the Kid Apollonia they were about making it in the industry. 'Don't U want 2 b a star?' 'Is that what your about? Making it? ... It's all I dream about." etc

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I think it was also part of the reason on the PR tour Apollonia 6 and Sheila E and band members joined them on stage for Baby I'm A Star

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I'm saying along with the Gigolo angle, via the songs (not my perception) contrary to Laurarichardson assertion that ' the Time/players don't ponder their actions... ' Which the Time actually do, clearly through songs like Girl, Gigolos Get Lonely Too, and a few others, that the Time could easily do a song like Pop Life, Movie Star(which was about Morris Day) Hot Thang Love or Money, I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man and a few other songs that go along with their set list. They messages still went alongside that of the Time.

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I don't think within the realm of Purple Music they were using a 'set in stone' definition of player. the Time were seen as Gigolos like Christopher & Tricky. And the whole premise was that Love Can Change Anyone. Christopher actually objectified himself, Tricky worked differently. But when you listen to songs like After Hi School, Girl, I Don't Want 2 Leave U it shows that he is contemplating his emotions.

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I definately appreciate your perspective from the 0+ side

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

No one is disscusing Under The Chery Moon at all. This is exactly what I am talking about. You do not comprehend the concept of the Time back at the beginning of the groups first album.

I have no idea what shape the concept would have taken had the group consistenly put out albums but Morris had been playing the role of a player for 30 years and I guess you did not notice.

Yeah You tried to define Players as a certain way... go back and read what YOU said and posted.
Christopher & Tricky were 'Players' and they contradicted YOUR definition.

AND in discussing the Time, I pointed out songs that contradicted YOUR definintion of the box you placed the Time in. They were were not just gigaloes. And they contemplated life.

I know what players are on their face. You are using a fictional movie which had nothing do with the original concept of the Time at all as some sort of example of how these characters were not just Gigolos and that is fine for Under The Cherry Moon which has nothing to do with the original characters for the Time.

In fact I remember a few people saying that the Morris character was Prince when he was in playboy mode because Prince had a player side to his personality which is very different from a professional Gigolo.

Giogolo's do not send women down the hall as gifs but players and rock stars do.