So Vanity was Yoko?...Really?

Dez gets an honorary Purple Harem Registration ID for being such a whiny lil b*tch!

LBrent said:

Sooo, P wanting to spend private time with his girlfriend was a problem?

I liked V and Matt made a point about P spending time with...modestly talented gals he was wooing...but whatever...The bands, all of them were acting like he was their private property.

Ok, so P had a penchant for pretty, humbly talented gals...So?

W&L had each other, and I'm guessing the rest had significant others...

P simply was trying to have a romantic life...Sheesh

i do think the band should have been on the cover of the magazine though...something to be proud of and to show to your grandkids...i would have felt pissed off also

80tomato said:

i do think the band should have been on the cover of the magazine though...something to be proud of and to show to your grandkids...i would have felt pissed off also

Right, did they have 'a' photo in the magazine? Vanity 6 did.

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

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[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

SoulAlive said:

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

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[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

I forgot about his b*tchy whining...

BrownMarks honorary Purple Harem ID is being registered and expedited so he won't feel left out anymore.

the way i see it from the revoultion anc backward they were all arrogant and thought they deserved so much u look at the people later in his life they like the npg he was with before his death they never spoke ill of any other people they were full of love and respresented that. brownmark saying he wrote kiss and ll that allt of stuff they are saying now they never spoke word of while he was alive and now they all talk as if prince was the protehe and they made him

LBrent said:

Sooo, P wanting to spend private time with his girlfriend was a problem?

I liked V and Matt made a point about P spending time with...modestly talented gals he was wooing...but whatever...The bands, all of them were acting like he was their private property.

Ok, so P had a penchant for pretty, humbly talented gals...So?

W&L had each other, and I'm guessing the rest had significant others...

P simply was trying to have a romantic life...Sheesh

Prince did have many protoges. Vanity was not like the others though. She was beautiful, not he greatest singer ut she had something the others did not have.

Vanity was wooed from the Prince camp by big names in Hollywood. Martin Scorcese, Barry Gordy, Spielberg, etc. She had that IT factor. By the time she crossed paths with Prince she had already modeled overseas, did playboy,and made 2 movies.

She left P's camp made more movies, 3 albums

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889152/?ref_=nm_pub)

None of his"other pretty , humbly talented" Protoges had her success. She was a trailblazer, wearing laced gloves and strategically covered gowns/clothes before Madonna, Britney, & JLO.

Granted Prince gave her a stage to be seen but he did thtat with many people over the years . However, she took full advantage and did not go about pimping the Prince connection for her income. Never dragged Prince or the women with him publicly, never ever blamed her time with Prince for any of her problems, never inserted herself as more important than she was to Prince and went on to make a difference in the world as preaching the Word of God.

She cannot be thrown in with the other women she was in a totally different sphere.

Vashtix said:

LBrent said:

Sooo, P wanting to spend private time with his girlfriend was a problem?

I liked V and Matt made a point about P spending time with...modestly talented gals he was wooing...but whatever...The bands, all of them were acting like he was their private property.

Ok, so P had a penchant for pretty, humbly talented gals...So?

W&L had each other, and I'm guessing the rest had significant others...

P simply was trying to have a romantic life...Sheesh

Prince did have many protoges. Vanity was not like the others though. She was beautiful, not he greatest singer ut she had something the others did not have.

Vanity was wooed from the Prince camp by big names in Hollywood. Martin Scorcese, Barry Gordy, Spielberg, etc. She had that IT factor. By the time she crossed paths with Prince she had already modeled overseas, did playboy,and made 2 movies.

She left P's camp made more movies, 3 albums

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889152/?ref_=nm_pub)

None of his"other pretty , humbly talented" Protoges had her success. She was a trailblazer, wearing laced gloves and strategically covered gowns/clothes before Madonna, Britney, & JLO.

Granted Prince gave her a stage to be seen but he did thtat with many people over the years . However, she took full advantage and did not go about pimping the Prince connection for her income. Never dragged Prince or the women with him publicly, never ever blamed her time with Prince for any of her problems, never inserted herself as more important than she was to Prince and went on to make a difference in the world as preaching the Word of God.

She cannot be thrown in with the other women she was in a totally different sphere.

I agree,

Prince should have formed a backing band for Vanity 6 and let them have at it

Dez has talent for sure but what he lacks Vanity owns and that is Charisma

Sheila E is another huge talent, but she never had the charisma Vanity had from 1984-1986

it took her a while to develop what Vanity had naturally.

That is why when U C her first walk through that door in the Nasty Girls video it is all over.
That is why that cover of the Rolling Stones Magazine is till one of the most popular

cbarnes3121 said:

the way i see it from the revoultion anc backward they were all arrogant and thought they deserved so much u look at the people later in his life they like the npg he was with before his death they never spoke ill of any other people they were full of love and respresented that. brownmark saying he wrote kiss and ll that allt of stuff they are saying now they never spoke word of while he was alive and now they all talk as if prince was the protehe and they made him

You don't know what those latter people felt. 'full of love' many of them did not have personal/emotional relationships with Prince the way others did. And yes Elisa Fiorillo did go on the attack toward Shelby directly and everyone, it seems, doing interviews or performing music about Prince. http://prince.org/msg/5/443226

The whole Kiss discussion has been talked about way before Prince died. BrownMark had a big hand it what became Kiss, yes he did. I don't think he meant he actually wrote the whole song. And he never talked as if he made Prince. One of his first interviews that he went further in speaking than I've ever heard, was while Prince was alive 2.15.2015:

I don't say we collaborated as much as the Revolution tried to live out his dream, we got into the mind of Prince we learned what it was he was trying to accomplish. So I think that was more the collaboration, us learning 'what is it you're looking for?'
and once we could see his direction, we would jam so much, we would sometimes jam from 10 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. I remember sometimes eating lunch while I'm still playing. I would walk to the lunchroom with my bass because it was on a wireless rig and then I would go into the refrigerator grab food and come back and I'd still be playing with one hand while eating. That's how intense we were, and I think from that we helped Prince create not only a style and energy but it was almost like a freight train, it was so heavy that even when other musicians would come and stand up with us they didn't even know where to begin, it was very difficult for them to hang with us because the style that we developed was so powerful and was so rhythmic that uh they didn't know how to jam with us. It was a very interesting time period, but I think I think a lot of music came from that type of grooving and jamming together

LBrent said:

SoulAlive said:

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

.

[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

I forgot about his b*tchy whining...

BrownMarks honorary Purple Harem ID is being registered and expedited so he won't feel left out anymore.

I think it is really from what place he is coming from. He has a right to talk about what things were like at times for him without it being bitchy.

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I get it. I would have loved to see/hear more of what Prince created via a synergy with BrownMark the bassist, same with others. We know in general we've learned that for whatever reason Prince lets down his vulnerable walls more with women.

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And it is also clear that BrownMark wasn't directing any ill will toward Wendy.

SoulAlive said:

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

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[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

But I can also understand from Dez view point, how 'distracted' Prince could have been. Dr Fink said something similar.
And I don't think these guys are slouches as far as the music went

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This all also goes into connection with the Time. If you look at the amount of promotion Vanity 6 got over the Time, it is clearly uneven.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

.

[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

But I can also understand from Dez view point, how 'distracted' Prince could have been. Dr Fink said something similar.
And I don't think these guys are slouches as far as the music went

.

This all also goes into connection with the Time. If you look at the amount of promotion Vanity 6 got over the Time, it is clearly uneven.

The time were formidable though ; they just had everything. Vanity 6 was not even close to what the time were back then.

SoulAlive said:

Vanity was his lady at the time.It's normal that he would want to shower her with alot of attention and love.Dez's complaint actually reminds me of BrownMark complaining about Wendy a few years later....

"I believe in seniority.I was in the band since '81,but Wendy comes into the band and he makes her an instant star.She gets all these lines in the movie and appears on the cover of Rolling Stone with him"

.

[Edited 6/17/17 21:58pm]

Exactly. Not only was he working to launch her career further, but she was also his girlfriend. Due to both of those things, he probably felt it necessary to be spending more time and attention on her. Prince's creative work was not compromised; he was still on point with everything while he was having a relationship with/ dating her (juggling a few of the other women too). I often wonder how the man was able to pull off all these things at once. If Dez’s paycheck was not compromised in any way, then what was the beef about?

I’m sure Dez and the other bandmembers felt that Vanity was a waste of time, but she was well on her way before Prince and the exposure he gave her through V6 really put her out there. When she left, she went on to other projects- two solo albums, a string of movies, and shows. So for her to be discounted and the bandmembers to be annoyed that Prince was spending too much time with/ on her because she wasn't more than a pretty face, was off the mark.

He chose Vanity to be on the cover of RS with him- probably because again, she was his girlfriend and that's what he wanted. He was the boss. And look, it turned out to be the best decision as 30+ years later, it's iconic and still talked about.

OldFriends4Sale said:

cbarnes3121 said:

the way i see it from the revoultion anc backward they were all arrogant and thought they deserved so much u look at the people later in his life they like the npg he was with before his death they never spoke ill of any other people they were full of love and respresented that. brownmark saying he wrote kiss and ll that allt of stuff they are saying now they never spoke word of while he was alive and now they all talk as if prince was the protehe and they made him

You don't know what those latter people felt. 'full of love' many of them did not have personal/emotional relationships with Prince the way others did. And yes Elisa Fiorillo did go on the attack toward Shelby directly and everyone, it seems, doing interviews or performing music about Prince. http://prince.org/msg/5/443226

The whole Kiss discussion has been talked about way before Prince died. BrownMark had a big hand it what became Kiss, yes he did. I don't think he meant he actually wrote the whole song. And he never talked as if he made Prince. One of his first interviews that he went further in speaking than I've ever heard, was while Prince was alive 2.15.2015:

I don't say we collaborated as much as the Revolution tried to live out his dream, we got into the mind of Prince we learned what it was he was trying to accomplish. So I think that was more the collaboration, us learning 'what is it you're looking for?'
and once we could see his direction, we would jam so much, we would sometimes jam from 10 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. I remember sometimes eating lunch while I'm still playing. I would walk to the lunchroom with my bass because it was on a wireless rig and then I would go into the refrigerator grab food and come back and I'd still be playing with one hand while eating. That's how intense we were, and I think from that we helped Prince create not only a style and energy but it was almost like a freight train, it was so heavy that even when other musicians would come and stand up with us they didn't even know where to begin, it was very difficult for them to hang with us because the style that we developed was so powerful and was so rhythmic that uh they didn't know how to jam with us. It was a very interesting time period, but I think I think a lot of music came from that type of grooving and jamming together

do u know what they felt?? im going by they way they all speak in interviews so kiss off

purplegirl00 said:

luvgirl said:

I think It's clear that the reason Prince paid more attention to Vanity's Six was simple because he felt more attuned to the vision he had for Vanity than he did for the Time or even his own band. Vanity was his muse and lover and that alone would have inspired in him the type of effort and drive it would take to expose her to the stratosphere he felt she could go. He believed in her. He knew she had it, because she energized the vision in him. He simple went with what his heart told him. Hence the reason she became the focal point of his exposition and the reason he placed her as female lead in Purple Rain before things went astray. It's fair to say that the fact that she was his lover played a part in the drive, but being his lover and muse activated an intuition he felt she could bring to light.

Morris Day and other members of the Time didn't seem to complain about the time and attention he was giving Vanity or did they?

luvgirl said:

purplegirl00 said:

Exactly. Not only was he working to launch her career further, but she was also his girlfriend. Due to both of those things, he probably felt it necessary to be spending more time and attention on her. Prince's creative work was not compromised; he was still on point with everything while he was having a relationship with/ dating her (juggling a few of the other women too). I often wonder how the man was able to pull off all these things at once. If Dez’s paycheck was not compromised in any way, then what was the beef about?

I’m sure Dez and the other bandmembers felt that Vanity was a waste of time, but she was well on her way before Prince and the exposure he gave her through V6 really put her out there. When she left, she went on to other projects- two solo albums, a string of movies, and shows. So for her to be discounted and the bandmembers to be annoyed that Prince was spending too much time with/ on her because she wasn't more than a pretty face, was off the mark.

He chose Vanity to be on the cover of RS with him- probably because again, she was his girlfriend and that's what he wanted. He was the boss. And look, it turned out to be the best decision as 30+ years later, it's iconic and still talked about.

I agree with you Purplegirl00. I do think helping his girlfriend to launch her career played a part as well. He did tell her he would do that for her. I also think that Prince used it to keep her around because he knew he wasn't the best boyfriend juggling all the other women, and let's face it he knew Vanity had other options...

Yes, Jill said it in her podcast that people were calling from all over the world for Vanity. He had reason to worry that she would leave if he could not deliver.

purplegirl00 said:

cbarnes3121 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

You don't know what those latter people felt. 'full of love' many of them did not have personal/emotional relationships with Prince the way others did. And yes Elisa Fiorillo did go on the attack toward Shelby directly and everyone, it seems, doing interviews or performing music about Prince. http://prince.org/msg/5/443226

The whole Kiss discussion has been talked about way before Prince died. BrownMark had a big hand it what became Kiss, yes he did. I don't think he meant he actually wrote the whole song. And he never talked as if he made Prince. One of his first interviews that he went further in speaking than I've ever heard, was while Prince was alive 2.15.2015:

I don't say we collaborated as much as the Revolution tried to live out his dream, we got into the mind of Prince we learned what it was he was trying to accomplish. So I think that was more the collaboration, us learning 'what is it you're looking for?'
and once we could see his direction, we would jam so much, we would sometimes jam from 10 o'clock in the morning to 10 o'clock at night. I remember sometimes eating lunch while I'm still playing. I would walk to the lunchroom with my bass because it was on a wireless rig and then I would go into the refrigerator grab food and come back and I'd still be playing with one hand while eating. That's how intense we were, and I think from that we helped Prince create not only a style and energy but it was almost like a freight train, it was so heavy that even when other musicians would come and stand up with us they didn't even know where to begin, it was very difficult for them to hang with us because the style that we developed was so powerful and was so rhythmic that uh they didn't know how to jam with us. It was a very interesting time period, but I think I think a lot of music came from that type of grooving and jamming together

do u know what they felt?? im going by they way they all speak in interviews so kiss off

hey if you cannot have a adult discussion without going personal and tell me to 'kiss off' then you might be 'kissed off'

Vashtix said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But I can also understand from Dez view point, how 'distracted' Prince could have been. Dr Fink said something similar.
And I don't think these guys are slouches as far as the music went

.

This all also goes into connection with the Time. If you look at the amount of promotion Vanity 6 got over the Time, it is clearly uneven.

The time were formidable though ; they just had everything. Vanity 6 was not even close to what the time were back then.

Yeah, both were very profitable for Prince. I mean I think Vanity 6 as entertainers were formidable too. I think that is why 1982-83 was such a high purple time too

Both were going to bring Prince high status if he handled them better. And as we see by 1984 it didn't go so well as a result.

I have a bunch of pictures from the Time 1981-1983 and Vanity 6 1982-1983 and for every photo of Morris Day or the Time there are about 5-7 of Vanity 6. Vanity 6 album cover photos/lp sleaves were more creative too. And the Time only had 2 videos Cool and the Walk

purplegirl00 said:

luvgirl said:

I think It's clear that the reason Prince paid more attention to Vanity's Six was simple because he felt more attuned to the vision he had for Vanity than he did for the Time or even his own band. Vanity was his muse and lover and that alone would have inspired in him the type of effort and drive it would take to expose her to the stratosphere he felt she could go. He believed in her. He knew she had it, because she energized the vision in him. He simple went with what his heart told him. Hence the reason she became the focal point of his exposition and the reason he placed her as female lead in Purple Rain before things went astray. It's fair to say that the fact that she was his lover played a part in the drive, but being his lover and muse activated an intuition he felt she could bring to light.

Morris Day and other members of the Time didn't seem to complain about the time and attention he was giving Vanity or did they?

I think they did but not directed at the women personally. Dez seems like the only one who is a little personal about it, but it also might be more directed at Prince than Denise.

Vashtix said:

LBrent said:

Sooo, P wanting to spend private time with his girlfriend was a problem?

I liked V and Matt made a point about P spending time with...modestly talented gals he was wooing...but whatever...The bands, all of them were acting like he was their private property.

Ok, so P had a penchant for pretty, humbly talented gals...So?

W&L had each other, and I'm guessing the rest had significant others...

P simply was trying to have a romantic life...Sheesh

Prince did have many protoges. Vanity was not like the others though. She was beautiful, not he greatest singer ut she had something the others did not have.

Vanity was wooed from the Prince camp by big names in Hollywood. Martin Scorcese, Barry Gordy, Spielberg, etc. She had that IT factor. By the time she crossed paths with Prince she had already modeled overseas, did playboy,and made 2 movies.

She left P's camp made more movies, 3 albums

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889152/?ref_=nm_pub)

None of his"other pretty , humbly talented" Protoges had her success. She was a trailblazer, wearing laced gloves and strategically covered gowns/clothes before Madonna, Britney, & JLO.

Granted Prince gave her a stage to be seen but he did thtat with many people over the years . However, she took full advantage and did not go about pimping the Prince connection for her income. Never dragged Prince or the women with him publicly, never ever blamed her time with Prince for any of her problems, never inserted herself as more important than she was to Prince and went on to make a difference in the world as preaching the Word of God.

She cannot be thrown in with the other women she was in a totally different sphere.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vashtix said:

Prince did have many protoges. Vanity was not like the others though. She was beautiful, not he greatest singer ut she had something the others did not have.

Vanity was wooed from the Prince camp by big names in Hollywood. Martin Scorcese, Barry Gordy, Spielberg, etc. She had that IT factor. By the time she crossed paths with Prince she had already modeled overseas, did playboy,and made 2 movies.

She left P's camp made more movies, 3 albums

(http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889152/?ref_=nm_pub)

None of his"other pretty , humbly talented" Protoges had her success. She was a trailblazer, wearing laced gloves and strategically covered gowns/clothes before Madonna, Britney, & JLO.

Granted Prince gave her a stage to be seen but he did thtat with many people over the years . However, she took full advantage and did not go about pimping the Prince connection for her income. Never dragged Prince or the women with him publicly, never ever blamed her time with Prince for any of her problems, never inserted herself as more important than she was to Prince and went on to make a difference in the world as preaching the Word of God.

She cannot be thrown in with the other women she was in a totally different sphere.

I agree,

Prince should have formed a backing band for Vanity 6 and let them have at it

Dez has talent for sure but what he lacks Vanity owns and that is Charisma

Sheila E is another huge talent, but she never had the charisma Vanity had from 1984-1986

it took her a while to develop what Vanity had naturally.

That is why when U C her first walk through that door in the Nasty Girls video it is all over.
That is why that cover of the Rolling Stones Magazine is till one of the most popular

Ok...I liked V and bear her no ill will...and I respect her og as a purple muse, but I'm bowing out at this point cuz y'all are starting to talk about talent and "It factor" and I just don't see that and I certainly don't wanna disparage her.

Enjoy

LBrent said:

LBrent said:

Ok...I liked V and bear her no ill will...and I respect her og as a purple muse, but I'm bowing out at this point cuz y'all are starting to talk about talent and "It factor" and I just don't see that and I certainly don't wanna disparage her.

Enjoy

luvgirl said:

Lol, you don't have to bow out LBrent. A difference of opinions are welcome. You don't think Vanity had talent or the IT factor? If it's one thing I thought we could all agree on about Vanity was that IT factor! Do you feel like Prince only extended his energy towards her for the simple fact that she was his lover? [Edited 6/18/17 12:26pm]

I think V holds an undeniable seat on the purple dias as a pretty purple muse with a stubborn yet sweet spirit...and a beautiful face, shape and legs...

I think for the time that they were happy, I was happy for them...and when they made each other sad I was sad for them...and now they've hopefully found peace...

But I did see The Last Dragon and Action Jackson and have fond memories of those 2 V movies...and I like her in gorilla fur and black lace.

That's all I got...Sorry..

[Edited 6/18/17 12:56pm]