Latin said:

Check out the article published by Nylon entitled "The 5 Women Who Are Carrying On Prince’s Legacy: In honor of his birthday": https://www.nylon.com/art...ces-legacy

Yay! Janelle Monae and Misty Copeland kick ass!!

LadyLayla said:

I respect the hell out of Prince's later mentorees. They are talented in their own right. It makes me like Prince more. What happened to Prince after 2011? He had still had some Princely flaws but his dealings with female artists were much more respectful. None of these ladies were just puddy in his hands. they had their own sounds and minds. Maybe they were projects but they were not blank slates as much as Apollonia etc. Maybe there was some heartbreak (where Andy was concerned) but professionally they were not completely dependent on him and were thriving before him.

Great article......I prefer the earlier ones eg. Sheila E, Jill Jones, Vanity etc thanks Latin

Sheila E and Jill Jones defintely talented and not doormats but Prince wrote most of their materials. these other ladies seem a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to the creativty of the songs. Vanity is an example of someone who has more charisma than talent (although I prefer her singing to Apolonnia)>

Goddess4Real said:

Great article......I prefer the earlier ones eg. Sheila E, Jill Jones, Vanity etc thanks Latin

purplerabbithole said:

Sheila E and Jill Jones defintely talented and not doormats but Prince wrote most of their materials. these other ladies seem a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to the creativty of the songs. Vanity is an example of someone who has more charisma than talent (although I prefer her singing to Apolonnia)>

Goddess4Real said:

Great article......I prefer the earlier ones eg. Sheila E, Jill Jones, Vanity etc thanks Latin

People are going to remember Sheila E Jill Jones Vanity etc because of their connection to Prince during the period where his vision was strongest and they helped foster that.
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If you look into it (Purple 101) you will see how much affect they had on pop culture. These people the woman and the men in the camp: the Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones, Sheila E, the Family, Mazarati, Madhouse (and Apollonia-the actress via Purple Rain ) helped solidify the foundation with Prince for the rest of his life and legacy. Not to mention, non of these people stopped making music after they left the official Prince camp, music that Prince was not involved in.

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Those other ladies, I don't think they can actually carry on Prince's legacy. The very thing you 'praise' them for is the very thing that seperates them from Prince's legacy.

Prince also wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. And he was gearing her in the same direction he did the earlier proteges, same with Bria Valente. I suspect the same with Tamar.

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Janelle Mone was an entertainer outside of the Prince camp, like so many other entertainers that adore Prince. Misty Copeland(ballet dancer) with whom I'm a huge fan,...

Prince became an example mentor and inspiration to many many upcoming artists and established artists.

purplerabbithole said:

I respect the hell out of Prince's later mentorees. They are talented in their own right. It makes me like Prince more. What happened to Prince after 2011? He had still had some Princely flaws but his dealings with female artists were much more respectful. None of these ladies were just puddy in his hands. they had their own sounds and minds. Maybe they were projects but they were not blank slates as much as Apollonia etc. Maybe there was some heartbreak (where Andy was concerned) but professionally they were not completely dependent on him and were thriving before him.

PURPLE MUSIC 101
Apollonia came on only as an actress for the movie Purple Rain, and had to fill the frontman spot in connection 2 the movie for promotion. She was never signing on to be a singer or 'protege' for Prince.

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No other female protege in Prince 80s camp was a 'blank slate' and all came to the table with creativity.

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

Sheila E and Jill Jones defintely talented and not doormats but Prince wrote most of their materials. these other ladies seem a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to the creativty of the songs. Vanity is an example of someone who has more charisma than talent (although I prefer her singing to Apolonnia)>

People are going to remember Sheila E Jill Jones Vanity etc because of their connection to Prince during the period where his vision was strongest and they helped foster that.
.

If you look into it (Purple 101) you will see how much affect they had on pop culture. These people the woman and the men in the camp: the Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones, Sheila E, the Family, Mazarati, Madhouse (and Apollonia-the actress via Purple Rain ) helped solidify the foundation with Prince for the rest of his life and legacy. Not to mention, non of these people stopped making music after they left the official Prince camp, music that Prince was not involved in.

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Those other ladies, I don't think they can actually carry on Prince's legacy. The very thing you 'praise' them for is the very thing that seperates them from Prince's legacy.

Prince also wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. And he was gearing her in the same direction he did the earlier proteges, same with Bria Valente. I suspect the same with Tamar.

.

Janelle Mone was an entertainer outside of the Prince camp, like so many other entertainers that adore Prince. Misty Copeland(ballet dancer) with whom I'm a huge fan,...

Prince became an example mentor and inspiration to many many upcoming artists and established artists.

Maybe not in a musical context; but what about the non-musical aspects of his legacy (such as his stance on being an independent recording artist; artist owning their own master; behind the scenes philanthropy; mentoring; spirituality; etc)?

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

Sheila E and Jill Jones defintely talented and not doormats but Prince wrote most of their materials. these other ladies seem a bit more self-sufficient when it comes to the creativty of the songs. Vanity is an example of someone who has more charisma than talent (although I prefer her singing to Apolonnia)>

People are going to remember Sheila E Jill Jones Vanity etc because of their connection to Prince during the period where his vision was strongest and they helped foster that.
.

If you look into it (Purple 101) you will see how much affect they had on pop culture. These people the woman and the men in the camp: the Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones, Sheila E, the Family, Mazarati, Madhouse (and Apollonia-the actress via Purple Rain ) helped solidify the foundation with Prince for the rest of his life and legacy. Not to mention, non of these people stopped making music after they left the official Prince camp, music that Prince was not involved in.

.

Those other ladies, I don't think they can actually carry on Prince's legacy. The very thing you 'praise' them for is the very thing that seperates them from Prince's legacy.

Prince also wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. And he was gearing her in the same direction he did the earlier proteges, same with Bria Valente. I suspect the same with Tamar.

.

Janelle Mone was an entertainer outside of the Prince camp, like so many other entertainers that adore Prince. Misty Copeland(ballet dancer) with whom I'm a huge fan,...

Prince became an example mentor and inspiration to many many upcoming artists and established artists.

It is simply not true that Prince wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. This is how lies get started. He wrote or co-wrote three songs on that album, Andy's second independent release. Other than that Andy wrote all of her songs, as she did for her subsequent EPs, Hello and One Step Closer. Not to mention her debut independent album, unFresh, released when she was only 20 years old, before she ever met Prince. But don't take my word for it. Check out Prince Vault for the Superconductor credits.


http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Album:_Superconductor

[Edited 6/11/17 23:40pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

People are going to remember Sheila E Jill Jones Vanity etc because of their connection to Prince during the period where his vision was strongest and they helped foster that.
.

If you look into it (Purple 101) you will see how much affect they had on pop culture. These people the woman and the men in the camp: the Time, Vanity 6, Jill Jones, Sheila E, the Family, Mazarati, Madhouse (and Apollonia-the actress via Purple Rain ) helped solidify the foundation with Prince for the rest of his life and legacy. Not to mention, non of these people stopped making music after they left the official Prince camp, music that Prince was not involved in.

.

Those other ladies, I don't think they can actually carry on Prince's legacy. The very thing you 'praise' them for is the very thing that seperates them from Prince's legacy.

Prince also wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. And he was gearing her in the same direction he did the earlier proteges, same with Bria Valente. I suspect the same with Tamar.

.

Janelle Mone was an entertainer outside of the Prince camp, like so many other entertainers that adore Prince. Misty Copeland(ballet dancer) with whom I'm a huge fan,...

Prince became an example mentor and inspiration to many many upcoming artists and established artists.

Even though I'm most interested in the man Prince became later in his life and in his later music as well as all the other phases, I do believe the earlier protégés and band members will be seen as more of a part of who he became? They were there in the first 10 years that were so key to what he built. Also want to mention I came across an older Org post recently that said Andy mentioned in a video clip back in 2012 or 2013 that a 4th Superconductor song was in fact co-written by Prince, even though princevault hasn't caught that. I can't remember which song it is now. Who really knows how many of his collaborators' songs had more of his input than is stated, or the other way around sometimes. Crediting can gets murky, although usually not intentionally.

idk.

when it comes down to his legacy, the latter music is not really on the radar. His concerts have always been great. But the musical legacy is not the latter period.

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Even though I'm most interested in the man Prince became later in his life and in his later music as well as all the other phases, I do believe the earlier protégés and band members will be seen as more of a part of who he became? They were there in the first 10 years that were so key to what he built. Also want to mention I came across an older Org post recently that said Andy mentioned in a video clip back in 2012 or 2013 that a 4th Superconductor song was in fact co-written by Prince, even though princevault hasn't caught that. I can't remember which song it is now. Who really knows how many of his collaborators' songs had more of his input than is stated, or the other way around sometimes. Crediting can gets murky, although usually not intentionally.

idk.

when it comes down to his legacy, the latter music is not really on the radar. His concerts have always been great. But the musical legacy is not the latter period.

Prince's musical legacy is complex and comprehensive. His music will be studied by eras. Without a doubt, his first decade as an artist is his most definitive, seminal period, but the totality of his legacy spans almost four decades. He never stopped producing and his favorite song, he'd always say when asked, was his most recent one.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

idk.

when it comes down to his legacy, the latter music is not really on the radar. His concerts have always been great. But the musical legacy is not the latter period.

Prince's musical legacy is complex and comprehensive. His music will be studied by eras. Without a doubt, his first decade as an artist is his most definitive, seminal period, but the totality of his legacy spans almost four decades. He never stopped producing and his favorite song, he'd always say when asked, was his most recent one.

of course, it will all be a part of his lifetime legacy.
I'm just saying the golden periods of any artists are always the most 'studied'

I have periods after 1989 that I am very much interested in like the Rainbow Children period, -the stuff that was out and the stuff that is behind the scenes like the Rainbow Children II project etc

Of course Prince's legacy/history I'm interested in the whole.
Of course though Prince will say 'his most recent'

Fly YOU are spreading lies as Andy did not write Man in Black which is on her One Step Closer EP ...That is a Johnny Cash song

FlyOnThe Wall wrote:

It is simply not true that Prince wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. This is how lies get started. He wrote or co-wrote three songs on that album, Andy's second independent release. Other than that Andy wrote all of her songs, as she did for her subsequent EPs, Hello and One Step Closer. Not to mention her debut independent album, unFresh, released when she was only 20 years old, before she ever met Prince. But don't take my word for it. Check out Prince Vault for the Superconductor credits.

80tomato said:

Fly YOU are spreading lies as Andy did not write Man in Black which is on her One Step Closer EP ...That is a Johnny Cash song

FlyOnThe Wall wrote:

It is simply not true that Prince wrote most of Andy Allo's material for Superconductor. This is how lies get started. He wrote or co-wrote three songs on that album, Andy's second independent release. Other than that Andy wrote all of her songs, as she did for her subsequent EPs, Hello and One Step Closer. Not to mention her debut independent album, unFresh, released when she was only 20 years old, before she ever met Prince. But don't take my word for it. Check out Prince Vault for the Superconductor credits.

I thought the Johnny Cash cover was obvious, but thank you for your input.