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Reply #30 posted 07/18/17 10:51am

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purplerabbithole said:

One of the most disheartening things about Prince's death has been people's indifference to accountability. I don't need anyone to got to jail, but I would feel better about his associates intentions if people like Meron and Kirk Johnson weren't at least asked by Prince's musical associates to explain or account for enabling Prince's addiction. Maybe, Kirk did express regret for mistakes made to the NPG folks but he certainly did not so to the public. If his attitude was the same to them as it was in that EW interview, than I have no respect for anyone of those folks exploiting Prince with little regard for the tragedy of his death.

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Not trying to defend Kirk, and I think he told much more to the NPG guys than to the public, but what could he have said, specially in public? ´Yes, I helped P get illegal stuff´or ´I didnt want to fight him so I accepted that he didnt want to have treatment? If I knew he would have died, I would have been more active?´

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Reply #31 posted 07/18/17 11:03am

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If he got the illegal pills (I am not as angry about the legal ones under his name) knowing full well how dangerous they were, then he should go to jail. If he was just an ignorant enabler stuck in a spot, then at least he should eat some crow over it and express some regret. I think he owes that to Prince and his fans. This whole argument that Prince is soley responsible for his own death is a bit unfair. A drug addict is not the best person to make life and death decisions. And if drug suppliers and runners are always innocent due to the fact that drug addicts "choose" to take drugs, then why should the DEA even exist?

"If I knew he would have died, I would have been more active" is the very least he should have said. I do cut Kirk a bit of slack (as long as he was truely ignorant about how dangerous those black market pills were) because the reality is that Prince probably needed some kind of pills to deal with his pain and because Prince's death was really really quick. I know a certain owner of a certain franchise who has been a pill popper for years and has been in rehab off and on for at least ten years, and he is still alive. No one is worried he is going to die next week.

GustavoRibas said:

purplerabbithole said:

One of the most disheartening things about Prince's death has been people's indifference to accountability. I don't need anyone to got to jail, but I would feel better about his associates intentions if people like Meron and Kirk Johnson weren't at least asked by Prince's musical associates to explain or account for enabling Prince's addiction. Maybe, Kirk did express regret for mistakes made to the NPG folks but he certainly did not so to the public. If his attitude was the same to them as it was in that EW interview, than I have no respect for anyone of those folks exploiting Prince with little regard for the tragedy of his death.

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Not trying to defend Kirk, and I think he told much more to the NPG guys than to the public, but what could he have said, specially in public? ´Yes, I helped P get illegal stuff´or ´I didnt want to fight him so I accepted that he didnt want to have treatment? If I knew he would have died, I would have been more active?´

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Reply #32 posted 07/18/17 12:26pm

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Why does Kirk owe anything to Prince fans? Especially considering many Prince fans have little regard for him. To me it’s like fans being upset that there wasn’t a public memorial is if it was the duty of the family/estste to provide fans closure. Sorry doesn’t work like that.
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Reply #33 posted 07/18/17 12:44pm

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Okay then to prince. No matter how difficult Prince was as an employer, he was still someone Kirk knew for 30 years and who was suffering at the end of his life.

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Why does Kirk owe anything to Prince fans? Especially considering many Prince fans have little regard for him. To me it’s like fans being upset that there wasn’t a public memorial is if it was the duty of the family/estste to provide fans closure. Sorry doesn’t work like that.

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Reply #34 posted 07/18/17 1:50pm

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My point is: nobody knows what was going on at that time. Maybe Prince refused any advice of treatment from Kirk, maybe both only realized he needed treatment when it was too late, maybe Prince convinced Kirk that he NEEDED the opioids (for his pain and career), etc. We really dont know.

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Reply #35 posted 07/18/17 2:17pm

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He did need them but that doesn't mean the drug addict should be the one self-diagnosing or self-medicating. A friend should have put aside his career and stopped enabling.. Enabling is complicated obviously and it depends on the enablers intentions and point of view. BUt Kurt's lack of remorse (or what looks like remorse) in interviews, his continued career with Paisley, the way he's been described by fans who have met him (as somewhat indifferent)...I really hope his public persona contrasts with his private personality, becuase he does really seem more like an opportunist than a friend.

GustavoRibas said:

My point is: nobody knows what was going on at that time. Maybe Prince refused any advice of treatment from Kirk, maybe both only realized he needed treatment when it was too late, maybe Prince convinced Kirk that he NEEDED the opioids (for his pain and career), etc. We really dont know.

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Reply #36 posted 07/18/17 2:55pm

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He did need them but that doesn't mean the drug addict should be the one self-diagnosing or self-medicating. A friend should have put aside his career and stopped enabling.. Enabling is complicated obviously and it depends on the enablers intentions and point of view. BUt Kurt's lack of remorse (or what looks like remorse) in interviews, his continued career with Paisley, the way he's been described by fans who have met him (as somewhat indifferent)...I really hope his public persona contrasts with his private personality, becuase he does really seem more like an opportunist than a friend.

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- Maybe. I am not saying he is a true friend or innocent. I am only considering that Prince wasnt a ´normal´ person. He would be the last celebrity in the world to admit some weakness, while other famous stars alredy had.

Prince probably hated being addicted so much that he probably even refused to talk about it. Maybe when Kirk tried to talk, he simply stopped Kirk? Who knows?

About the ´no remorse´, I only saw one interview where he refused to talk about it. In the purest Prince style. If he was an opportunist, it would have been easier for him to write a book about it, or give many interviews. Something that Prince would hate.

Again, not defending Kirk. Only trying to see the other side.

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Reply #37 posted 07/18/17 5:09pm

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Valid points but writing a book right now would incriminate himself I imagine. However, if he decided to quite Prince before the drug usage started and then write a book--then that would certainly be opportunism.

The other scenario (which is the worst by far) is that Kirk was just a long time drug supplier, so therefore was only there to give him drug in the first place. That would really really suck.

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purplerabbithole said:

He did need them but that doesn't mean the drug addict should be the one self-diagnosing or self-medicating. A friend should have put aside his career and stopped enabling.. Enabling is complicated obviously and it depends on the enablers intentions and point of view. BUt Kurt's lack of remorse (or what looks like remorse) in interviews, his continued career with Paisley, the way he's been described by fans who have met him (as somewhat indifferent)...I really hope his public persona contrasts with his private personality, becuase he does really seem more like an opportunist than a friend.

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- Maybe. I am not saying he is a true friend or innocent. I am only considering that Prince wasnt a ´normal´ person. He would be the last celebrity in the world to admit some weakness, while other famous stars alredy had.

Prince probably hated being addicted so much that he probably even refused to talk about it. Maybe when Kirk tried to talk, he simply stopped Kirk? Who knows?

About the ´no remorse´, I only saw one interview where he refused to talk about it. In the purest Prince style. If he was an opportunist, it would have been easier for him to write a book about it, or give many interviews. Something that Prince would hate.

Again, not defending Kirk. Only trying to see the other side.

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Reply #38 posted 07/19/17 4:30am

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GustavoRibas said:

purplerabbithole said:

He did need them but that doesn't mean the drug addict should be the one self-diagnosing or self-medicating. A friend should have put aside his career and stopped enabling.. Enabling is complicated obviously and it depends on the enablers intentions and point of view. BUt Kurt's lack of remorse (or what looks like remorse) in interviews, his continued career with Paisley, the way he's been described by fans who have met him (as somewhat indifferent)...I really hope his public persona contrasts with his private personality, becuase he does really seem more like an opportunist than a friend.

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- Maybe. I am not saying he is a true friend or innocent. I am only considering that Prince wasnt a ´normal´ person. He would be the last celebrity in the world to admit some weakness, while other famous stars alredy had.

Prince probably hated being addicted so much that he probably even refused to talk about it. Maybe when Kirk tried to talk, he simply stopped Kirk? Who knows?

About the ´no remorse´, I only saw one interview where he refused to talk about it. In the purest Prince style. If he was an opportunist, it would have been easier for him to write a book about it, or give many interviews. Something that Prince would hate.

Again, not defending Kirk. Only trying to see the other side.

I take it you are not in the states and did not see his idiotic interview on CBS. I was done with his ass right then and there. He fucking laughed when he was asked quesions. You do not laugh about your friends death.

The mere fact that he lied to cops tells me he was involved. You do not lie if you have nothing to hide.

You do not run off on a vacation.

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Reply #39 posted 07/19/17 7:08am

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I take it you are not in the states and did not see his idiotic interview on CBS. I was done with his ass right then and there. He fucking laughed when he was asked quesions. You do not laugh about your friends death.

The mere fact that he lied to cops tells me he was involved. You do not lie if you have nothing to hide.

You do not run off on a vacation.

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- Well, I watched the interview (or at least an excerpt online) and I assumed it was a nervous laughter. He could have been laughing of what he considered an unbelievable stupid question. Not laughing about Prince´s death. Nobody would do it.

I am not aware of him lying to cops. What happened?

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Reply #40 posted 07/19/17 7:13am

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GustavoRibas said:

laurarichardson said:

I take it you are not in the states and did not see his idiotic interview on CBS. I was done with his ass right then and there. He fucking laughed when he was asked quesions. You do not laugh about your friends death.

The mere fact that he lied to cops tells me he was involved. You do not lie if you have nothing to hide.

You do not run off on a vacation.

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- Well, I watched the interview (or at least an excerpt online) and I assumed it was a nervous laughter. He could have been laughing of what he considered an unbelievable stupid question. Not laughing about Prince´s death. Nobody would do it.

I am not aware of him lying to cops. What happened?

I do not see anything to laugh about at all and he also did a horrible job promoting the celebration. He should never get on T.V. again.

In the search warrants he got caught lying about Rxs written for Prince in his name and the police specifically mention associates at the scence giving conflicting statements. Only two assoictates were on the scence of death. Meron and Kirk. The police also confiscated both of their cell phones since the both proceeded to make numerous calls and texts while Prince lay dead in the elavator which the police found disturbing.

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Reply #41 posted 07/19/17 7:43am

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Well, it´s OBVIOUS that Kirk knew everything about Prince´s addiction. If there is one person in the world that helped Prince with all the things it involves, it´s Kirk.

I m not saying that Kirk didnt know nothing, or didnt do nothing illegal. I only say that Prince was an adult, his boss and the main responsible for this situation. If he told Kirk ´I need these opioids or my career will end. Can I trust you?´, he would only have two options: stay or leave Prince.

About the cellphones....no news about them in the investigation?

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Reply #42 posted 07/19/17 8:30am

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GustavoRibas said:

Well, it´s OBVIOUS that Kirk knew everything about Prince´s addiction. If there is one person in the world that helped Prince with all the things it involves, it´s Kirk.

I m not saying that Kirk didnt know nothing, or didnt do nothing illegal. I only say that Prince was an adult, his boss and the main responsible for this situation. If he told Kirk ´I need these opioids or my career will end. Can I trust you?´, he would only have two options: stay or leave Prince.

About the cellphones....no news about them in the investigation?

The information about the cellphones are in the serch warrants. The police are distrubed by the amount of calls and texts they were making and confiscated their phones for a data dump.

We do not know what Kirk's helped Prince with but we do not know he lied his ass off to the cops and got caught and he went out and got a lawyer who specializes in drug enabler cases.

Fortunatly, the laws do not over look people who turn off their damm brains and just do what their boss tell them to do even if it means violating the laws.

More and more we are seeing associates and fans who see Prince now as a commodity and nothing more. Very sick and sad.

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Reply #43 posted 07/19/17 8:40am

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I see Prince as a man who loved to be surrounded by ´yes people´, a control freak, a very hard person to deal with, an extremely reserved person and a guy who had some power over his life (financially speaking).

I imagine he was the kind of guy who said ´Are you with me? If not, just leave´.

How Kirk and other people reacted to that, is another story.

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Reply #44 posted 07/19/17 10:26am

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That is called a boss. Do you tell your boss what to do? Stop making excuses for people who are greedy because only greed would make you stay break the law. One can always find another job you can't work in prison.


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I see Prince as a man who loved to be surrounded by ´yes people´, a control freak, a very hard person to deal with, an extremely reserved person and a guy who had some power over his life (financially speaking).


I imagine he was the kind of guy who said ´Are you with me? If not, just leave´.


How Kirk and other people reacted to that, is another story.


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Reply #45 posted 07/19/17 12:35pm

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Were the cops "disturbed" by the cell phone usage on some moral or personal grounds or were they concerned it would taint the investigation? I skimmed the warrants only but I admit that I don't remember the cops being disturbed. IN slight defense of these folks, people were probably blowing up their cell phones asking what the fuck was going on and perhaps just maybe they were calling people to express their dismay at what occurred. The doctor's son who had to call 9-11 to basically report a dead body (we don't call coroners anymore apparently) said that the folks there were completely distraught and I guess unable to even move when they found Prince. He has no reason to lie and cover for cold hearted enablers--I don't think anyhow.

I do know that supposedly people were blowing up KJ's phone right after the Moline incident. ALso, keep in mind that supposedly Prince's manager was in correspondance with Morris Hayes. MOrris said that he was telling them to get a handle on P's addiction. I can't remember where I read or heard this. But Hayes said he was inconsolable for days because he regretted that he hadn't taken the trip over to Paisley himself. (he was out of state I believe)...but associates were communicating back and forth that week with tidbits of information it sounds like. I just don't think anyone anticipated that he would go so fast after he seemed okay for at least 4 days after the overdose in Moline.

I think even Wendy knew(at least by that week) that Prince was struggling but didn't anticipate a death (although it might have been in the back of her mind) until BobbyZ texted that he (the dude who was on everyone's mind that week but who was giving them the run around) was 'gone".

That's how Prince was. He gave people tidbits of information about himself. His death was a puzzle just like his life was.

laurarichardson said:

GustavoRibas said:

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- Well, I watched the interview (or at least an excerpt online) and I assumed it was a nervous laughter. He could have been laughing of what he considered an unbelievable stupid question. Not laughing about Prince´s death. Nobody would do it.

I am not aware of him lying to cops. What happened?

I do not see anything to laugh about at all and he also did a horrible job promoting the celebration. He should never get on T.V. again.

In the search warrants he got caught lying about Rxs written for Prince in his name and the police specifically mention associates at the scence giving conflicting statements. Only two assoictates were on the scence of death. Meron and Kirk. The police also confiscated both of their cell phones since the both proceeded to make numerous calls and texts while Prince lay dead in the elavator which the police found disturbing.

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Reply #46 posted 07/19/17 12:44pm

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I agree with you even though I am not sure where the line blurs between an enabler and someone who doesn't realize how bad the problem is or how to solve it.

My view is that if KJ got blackmarket pills for prince knowing how dangerous they were (meaning he knew they could contain enough fentanly to kill a whale), he should go to jail because he obviously didn't care whether Prince lived or died.. If he did not know what pills he was picking up for P until it was too late (P could have ordered them on line) and then decided to get him more legit pain pills through a doctor in his name, then maybe he should get a slap on the wrist but a degree of public scrutiny. If KJ didn't get the illegal pills at all (P somehow just told someone else to pick them up or whateve) but KJ did get the legit pills thorugh the doctor under his name, I can't get too mad. Prince obviously needed some kind of pain relief and wanted his privacy.

I guess his guilt is all relative. But I don't think making excuses for these folks (or giving them a complete free pass) by simply blaming P's personality is really fair at all. KJ worked for Prince for 30 years. I would hope after all that time, he would have grown some kind of affection for the man. Really, who works for someone they hate for 30 years. No, you quit after 5 years and write a tell-all and black mail them with the info you know about their drug usage or business practices or whatever. Prince was not that bad that he deserved whatever fate befell him. Its tragedy not justice.

laurarichardson said:

That is called a boss. Do you tell your boss what to do? Stop making excuses for people who are greedy because only greed would make you stay break the law. One can always find another job you can't work in prison. said:

I see Prince as a man who loved to be surrounded by ´yes people´, a control freak, a very hard person to deal with, an extremely reserved person and a guy who had some power over his life (financially speaking).

I imagine he was the kind of guy who said ´Are you with me? If not, just leave´.

How Kirk and other people reacted to that, is another story.

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Reply #47 posted 07/19/17 12:59pm

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When did Morris say he told Prince’s manager to get a handle on his “addiction”? Source please?

Also not the least bit surprising Kirk’s phone was blowing up with people wondering wtf was going on. Heck Shelby J. said she was getting texts like crazy that morning.

The facts are Kirk was (and may still be) involved with opening Paisley Park as a museum. On opening day he was there with Joel from Graceland and Trevor Guy too. Also fact: he’s on tour with the NPG. He was at the Dakota when Shelby, Liv and Judith played there. Shelby posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram. If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?
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Reply #48 posted 07/19/17 1:02pm

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When did Morris say he told Prince’s manager to get a handle on his “addiction”? Source please? Also not the least bit surprising Kirk’s phone was blowing up with people wondering wtf was going on. Heck Shelby J. said she was getting texts like crazy that morning. The facts are Kirk was (and may still be) involved with opening Paisley Park as a museum. On opening day he was there with Joel from Graceland and Trevor Guy too. Also fact: he’s on tour with the NPG. He was at the Dakota when Shelby, Liv and Judith played there. Shelby posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram. If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?


That's right.

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rogifan said:

When did Morris say he told Prince’s manager to get a handle on his “addiction”? Source please? Also not the least bit surprising Kirk’s phone was blowing up with people wondering wtf was going on. Heck Shelby J. said she was getting texts like crazy that morning. The facts are Kirk was (and may still be) involved with opening Paisley Park as a museum. On opening day he was there with Joel from Graceland and Trevor Guy too. Also fact: he’s on tour with the NPG. He was at the Dakota when Shelby, Liv and Judith played there. Shelby posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram. If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?
After Kirk went on T.V. and made an ass out of himself he is open to people spouting off. You are navie if you think a lot of people around Prince really care. All I see is a cash in and half the sibs are still knowingly working with an extremly crooked and corrupt man. What does that tell you?
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Reply #50 posted 07/19/17 4:57pm

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Do you really think Prince was that so unloveable that no one around him gave two shits if he died. NO one? NOt a soul? Maybe, this enabling thing is a bit more complicated emotionally, logistically and psychologically than just money. He wasn't super close with his family (especially half siblings--understandably to some extent) and they weren't involved in the inner workings as much when he was alive. Who knows?-- maybe Kirk fed them a line of shit or maybe just maybe he got their forgiveness? I dont know. I will be honest. KJ unsettles me. But I am not sure how so many people can say nice things about P and still not care. I don't think it makes much sense for hundreds of associates to be in on the hoax, 100's of people pretending that a totally unloveable man was actually human and had good sides like humans tend to.

I don't want to be that cynical. Money does figure into this. I am not that naive. But emotions and relationships are complicated and messy and people are a mixture of good and bad. To believe that no one cared about Prince at least a little is to believe that Prince was a completely unsympathetic man.

I read too many bad things about Prince this week on this site. I am not saying you are the culprit, bt your implication that dozens to hundreds of people cared not a lick for this man just feels like another stab at the guy.

There are people on other threads calling him a long term drug addict, an abuser of women emotionally who just decided to fuck with sexual abused women for shits and giggles, a heartless cheapskate his entire life where employees were concerned, delusional, a deliberate thief (musically). ENOUGH ...I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE>

I posted two positive stories about Prince from people somewhat within the Purple army and I think I got three responses...UGH. No one cared.

The reality is that Kurt is the one who called the rehab/pain people. Kurt is the one who carried his ass to the paramedics (probably because he was trying to get Prince help earlier.) I don't know--maybe Kurt was just trying to balance Prince's wants and needs with this own needs. Maybe he was unsure how to protect's Prince's privacy while making sure he didn't overdo the pain medication. . Maybe he justified the drug enabling in his mind by saying to himself that without music, Prince wouldn't want to live anyhow so taking care of pain and allowing him to continue doing what makes his life liveable is the priority. Then his mortality became an issue but since P seemed to be doing decent enough to appear on stage and was agreeing to see the pain treatment folks and was stubbornly forcing everyone out of his house, maybe Kurt just figured that one night alone wouldn't lead to his death (and he just figured wrong.)Maybe he said all this to the associates and they forgave him. I hope its as complicated as that and not the more cynical and heartless enabler who says yes boss while secretly wishing the fucker would just kick off. Have you ever seen Dolores Claiyborne (the movie with Kathy Bates). She is accused of killing her grouchy bitchy boss but it turns out that it was a mercy killing after the boss had already mostly offed herself. Dolores and her boss were actually quite close and had been for close to 20 years.

Another reality is that Prince is a compartmentalized man. Only Kurt and maybe Meron knew the finer details and who knows what their thinking and justification was (or what they told others.) meron isn't still working for Paisley is she?

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

After Kirk went on T.V. and made an ass out of himself he is open to people spouting off. You are navie if you think a lot of people around Prince really care. All I see is a cash in and half the sibs are still knowingly working with an extremly crooked and corrupt man. What does that tell you?

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Reply #51 posted 07/19/17 5:08pm

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Nobody reads the NPG articles... it was on this very site...

Here's the link again. (Read the last paragraph).

https://www.forbes.com/si...d8d2c6f5aa

rogifan said:

When did Morris say he told Prince’s manager to get a handle on his “addiction”? Source please? Also not the least bit surprising Kirk’s phone was blowing up with people wondering wtf was going on. Heck Shelby J. said she was getting texts like crazy that morning. The facts are Kirk was (and may still be) involved with opening Paisley Park as a museum. On opening day he was there with Joel from Graceland and Trevor Guy too. Also fact: he’s on tour with the NPG. He was at the Dakota when Shelby, Liv and Judith played there. Shelby posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram. If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?

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Morris is talking about after the plane incident.

purplerabbithole said:

Nobody reads the NPG articles... it was on this very site...

Here's the link again. (Read the last paragraph).

https://www.forbes.com/si...d8d2c6f5aa

rogifan said:

When did Morris say he told Prince’s manager to get a handle on his “addiction”? Source please? Also not the least bit surprising Kirk’s phone was blowing up with people wondering wtf was going on. Heck Shelby J. said she was getting texts like crazy that morning. The facts are Kirk was (and may still be) involved with opening Paisley Park as a museum. On opening day he was there with Joel from Graceland and Trevor Guy too. Also fact: he’s on tour with the NPG. He was at the Dakota when Shelby, Liv and Judith played there. Shelby posted a photo of the two of them on Instagram. If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?

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I am talking about know one cares now that he is gone. That is the reason I think no one cares about what KJ did or did not do and the reason he will keep working at Paisley Park. Prince has been turned into a commodity to make money off of.

Because if people cared now how come they are not speaking about some of the things going on with the estate, the money grubbing ex-band mates and women.

The stupid ass screcty as if we are all too stupid to see they are hiding something. No one wants to stop the checks from coming from living off of his hard work and talent.

purplerabbithole said:

Do you really think Prince was that so unloveable that no one around him gave two shits if he died. NO one? NOt a soul? Maybe, this enabling thing is a bit more complicated emotionally, logistically and psychologically than just money. He wasn't super close with his family (especially half siblings--understandably to some extent) and they weren't involved in the inner workings as much when he was alive. Who knows?-- maybe Kirk fed them a line of shit or maybe just maybe he got their forgiveness? I dont know. I will be honest. KJ unsettles me. But I am not sure how so many people can say nice things about P and still not care. I don't think it makes much sense for hundreds of associates to be in on the hoax, 100's of people pretending that a totally unloveable man was actually human and had good sides like humans tend to.

I don't want to be that cynical. Money does figure into this. I am not that naive. But emotions and relationships are complicated and messy and people are a mixture of good and bad. To believe that no one cared about Prince at least a little is to believe that Prince was a completely unsympathetic man.

I read too many bad things about Prince this week on this site. I am not saying you are the culprit, bt your implication that dozens to hundreds of people cared not a lick for this man just feels like another stab at the guy.

There are people on other threads calling him a long term drug addict, an abuser of women emotionally who just decided to fuck with sexual abused women for shits and giggles, a heartless cheapskate his entire life where employees were concerned, delusional, a deliberate thief (musically). ENOUGH ...I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE>

I posted two positive stories about Prince from people somewhat within the Purple army and I think I got three responses...UGH. No one cared.

The reality is that Kurt is the one who called the rehab/pain people. Kurt is the one who carried his ass to the paramedics (probably because he was trying to get Prince help earlier.) I don't know--maybe Kurt was just trying to balance Prince's wants and needs with this own needs. Maybe he was unsure how to protect's Prince's privacy while making sure he didn't overdo the pain medication. . Maybe he justified the drug enabling in his mind by saying to himself that without music, Prince wouldn't want to live anyhow so taking care of pain and allowing him to continue doing what makes his life liveable is the priority. Then his mortality became an issue but since P seemed to be doing decent enough to appear on stage and was agreeing to see the pain treatment folks and was stubbornly forcing everyone out of his house, maybe Kurt just figured that one night alone wouldn't lead to his death (and he just figured wrong.)Maybe he said all this to the associates and they forgave him. I hope its as complicated as that and not the more cynical and heartless enabler who says yes boss while secretly wishing the fucker would just kick off. Have you ever seen Dolores Claiyborne (the movie with Kathy Bates). She is accused of killing her grouchy bitchy boss but it turns out that it was a mercy killing after the boss had already mostly offed herself. Dolores and her boss were actually quite close and had been for close to 20 years.

Another reality is that Prince is a compartmentalized man. Only Kurt and maybe Meron knew the finer details and who knows what their thinking and justification was (or what they told others.) meron isn't still working for Paisley is she?

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rogifan said:

If he was this monster who should be behind bars why would he be allowed anywhere near Paisley Park? Why would he be touring with NPG? Why wouldn’t prince associates want nothing to do with him. Could it possibly be that there’s a lot we don’t know and just spouting off opinion as fact based on ones interpretation of the search wartants doesn’t tell the whole story?

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My point is: nobody knows what happened in Prince´s world about this subject (drugs). I cant say Kirk is innocent, but cant say he is an opportunist greedy monster. If we put ourselves in his shoes, we will see things are not so easy.

And Prince was the kind of guy that didnt like to be questioned.

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Reply #55 posted 07/19/17 7:12pm

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Morris is talking about both incidents. They asked him about how he felt about Prince's death. My interpretation is that he thought something was up due to P's appearance but didn't come up (but may have made inquiries). Then the Moline incident occurred and he talked to P's manager, at that point,making his statement that they need to get a handle on the situation. I am not sure how much he knew about P's drug problem but I think he knew things were problematic especially after Moline. Maybe, he thought they had a handle on it because KJ told him about the pain/drug treatment folks coming. When Prince died, he was 'inconsolable'because he never came up to Paisley that week even though he apparently thought he probably should.. He may not have understood how bad things were. LIke I said, I don't think anyone other than KJ or Meron knew that Prince had lethal pills in his possession. Pill poppers (who have a dependency due to pain issues) don't usually kick off due to a pill that would kill a whale and certainly not that quickly after a near death experience.

laurarichardson said:

Morris is talking about after the plane incident.

purplerabbithole said:

Nobody reads the NPG articles... it was on this very site...

Here's the link again. (Read the last paragraph).

https://www.forbes.com/si...d8d2c6f5aa

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How would he know about P's appearence when he was not around? He is speculating.

purplerabbithole said:

Morris is talking about both incidents. They asked him about how he felt about Prince's death. My interpretation is that he thought something was up due to P's appearance but didn't come up (but may have made inquiries). Then the Moline incident occurred and he talked to P's manager, at that point,making his statement that they need to get a handle on the situation. I am not sure how much he knew about P's drug problem but I think he knew things were problematic especially after Moline. Maybe, he thought they had a handle on it because KJ told him about the pain/drug treatment folks coming. When Prince died, he was 'inconsolable'because he never came up to Paisley that week even though he apparently thought he probably should.. He may not have understood how bad things were. LIke I said, I don't think anyone other than KJ or Meron knew that Prince had lethal pills in his possession. Pill poppers (who have a dependency due to pain issues) don't usually kick off due to a pill that would kill a whale and certainly not that quickly after a near death experience.

laurarichardson said:

Morris is talking about after the plane incident.

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Laura, are just arguing for the sake of arguing??? razz lol

Of course, he is speculating (in the same way, I think some of the Revoltuion members did when they saw pictures of Prince looking thin and pale). Many of them were probably reaching out via twitter, email, calls to his people, but Prince's barracade was up) . He was giving them the run-around. They kept him in their thoughts presumably and hoped for the best (probably assumed he probably would pull out of it) but went on with their lives. And then he dies, and I assume that most of them were still shocked regardless, and that some of them had regrets, some of them had guilt, some of them had questions and some of them had resentment that he wasn't more open and honest with them.

laurarichardson said:

How would he know about P's appearence when he was not around? He is speculating.

purplerabbithole said:

Morris is talking about both incidents. They asked him about how he felt about Prince's death. My interpretation is that he thought something was up due to P's appearance but didn't come up (but may have made inquiries). Then the Moline incident occurred and he talked to P's manager, at that point,making his statement that they need to get a handle on the situation. I am not sure how much he knew about P's drug problem but I think he knew things were problematic especially after Moline. Maybe, he thought they had a handle on it because KJ told him about the pain/drug treatment folks coming. When Prince died, he was 'inconsolable'because he never came up to Paisley that week even though he apparently thought he probably should.. He may not have understood how bad things were. LIke I said, I don't think anyone other than KJ or Meron knew that Prince had lethal pills in his possession. Pill poppers (who have a dependency due to pain issues) don't usually kick off due to a pill that would kill a whale and certainly not that quickly after a near death experience.

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No, I was making a point. The things you typed below or more in line with what we know. Also we have had heard from Andre and Sheila who say they tried to call him and were only able to leave a

message. We have no idea who they left a message with or if he even got their messages.

We do not know what the people who were around were up to. Prince would not be the first person to be ill and be taken advantage of. Being ill he would not have been on his boss game.

purplerabbithole said:

Laura, are just arguing for the sake of arguing??? razz lol

Of course, he is speculating (in the same way, I think some of the Revoltuion members did when they saw pictures of Prince looking thin and pale). Many of them were probably reaching out via twitter, email, calls to his people, but Prince's barracade was up) . He was giving them the run-around. They kept him in their thoughts presumably and hoped for the best (probably assumed he probably would pull out of it) but went on with their lives. And then he dies, and I assume that most of them were still shocked regardless, and that some of them had regrets, some of them had guilt, some of them had questions and some of them had resentment that he wasn't more open and honest with them.

laurarichardson said:

How would he know about P's appearence when he was not around? He is speculating.

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Reply #59 posted 07/20/17 4:49am

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purplerabbithole said:

Nobody reads the NPG articles... it was on this very site...



Here's the link again. (Read the last paragraph).



https://www.forbes.com/si...d8d2c6f5aa



So he spoke to a former manger. And he doesn’t say what “it” is, so people are assuming he meant addiction.
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