just ognore all this stuff...when money is involved how can u really believe anything

W&L definitely have their secure place in the purple legacy, but ain't nobody paying too much attention to the "we made him what he is" claims.

Don't sweat it.

Oh she isn't saying that. Seriously, I mean Prince always felt comfortable with women and many people in the camp from Eric Leeds Alan Leeds Bobby Z and other said they tapped into a place with Prince. Even Prince dedicated a song to them 10yrs later that says the same.

Life is too short and you are not going to change anything. Prince is gone.

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

My thoughts? You are being intensely cynical. Wendy is cool, and there's nothing nefarious about The Revolution going on tour.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh she isn't saying that. Seriously, I mean Prince always felt comfortable with women and many people in the camp from Eric Leeds Alan Leeds Bobby Z and other said they tapped into a place with Prince. Even Prince dedicated a song to them 10yrs later that says the same.

Life is too short and you are not going to change anything. Prince is gone.

Finally, a note of logic, rather than quasi-angst.

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

My thoughts are that when Prince was first interviewed - I think it might have been John Bream actually, but I can't remember...at the end of the interview he told him it was the longest he had ever talked to someone in his life. Now, that might be Princely exaggeration, wouldn't be out of character, but the point remains, we have reason to believe that P didn't have a great deal of experience of real closeness and intimacy with other people when he was growing up...and yes, he was close to Andre, but I do get the impression that that was much more typically dudely closeness. So, his relationship with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, as a three, and also individually, was actually possibly the first time in his life he experienced that kind of really tight intimacy you sometimes get in small intense groups like that, and the impression Wendy gives of it, and I have no reason to think she's lying, is that he opened up a lot with them, and let his guard down, and stopped feeling the need to be quite so much Mr Rockstar around them all the time...which is what the whole thing about calling him 'Steve' was about. It's not a huge stretch to suggest that that might have helped P feel more accepted and secure in himself, and that might have had a positive effect on his work...also allowing him to be more creatively open to other people. The fact is that he did produce 3 of his greatest albums (possibly his 3 greatest albums) while he was with them, and after they left / he disbanded the group, arguably, things started to go south a little. P was a stone cold genius, that's never going to be in doubt, really don't worry about the legacy, it's completely solid, but he did often benefit from letting people in a bit, and three of the most important people he ever let in personally and creatively were Wendy, Lisa, and also Susannah, and there's no reason they shouldn't speak about that. They all loved that man to his bones, and still do (and that is despite the fact he was a spectacular asshole to them at times). Really, it's all good.

rogifan said:

My thoughts? People who have a preference for The Revolution and that era of Prince's career aren't going to have an issue with what Wendy said. Me? I agree with the OP.

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh she isn't saying that. Seriously, I mean Prince always felt comfortable with women and many people in the camp from Eric Leeds Alan Leeds Bobby Z and other said they tapped into a place with Prince. Even Prince dedicated a song to them 10yrs later that says the same.

Life is too short and you are not going to change anything. Prince is gone.

people read what they want.Clearly the OP had an agenda. Ironically.

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

I think Prince was being himself from jump. He was Prince who many loved and followed before Wendy was an idea. She and her sister have woven tales to make themselves more important and I will add Susan Rodgers to it as Susan Rodgers stans for the Melvoins.

Prince would have been Prince no matter if Wendy or Susannah ever stepped foot in his world.

I am sick of both of them.

rogifan said:

My thoughts? People who have a preference for The Tevolution and that era of Prince's career aren't going to have an issue with what Wendy said. Me? I agree with the OP.

Exactly it is from where you are

I accept them and cannot deny their place but they want to say they made Prince -Prince.

Reciprocity said:

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

I think Prince was being himself from jump. He was Prince who many loved and followed before Wendy was an idea. She and her sister have woven tales to make themselves more important and I will add Susan Rodgers to it as Susan Rodgers stans for the Melvoins.

Prince would have been Prince no matter if Wendy or Susannah ever stepped foot in his world.

I am sick of both of them.

far from true far

To these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em what I wasn't strong enough 2 say
To these walls I talk
Tellin' 'em how I cried the day you went away

How did we ever lose communication?
How did we ever lose each other's sound?
Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situation
Maybe we can stop the rain from coming down

Yeah

In this bed I scream
Lonely nights I lay awake thinking of you
And if I'm cursed with a dream
A thousand times I feel whatever I've put you through

Tell me, how're we gonna put this back together?
How're we gonna think with the same mind?
Knowing all along that life is so much better
Living and loving together all the time

Living and loving

In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream

In this car I drive
I'm looking for the road that leads back to the soul we shared
With my very life
I'd gladly be the body upon the cross we bear (Cross we bear)

How did we ever lose communication? (How did we?)
How did we ever lose each other's sound? (I don't know)
Baby, if you wanna, we can fix the situation
Maybe we can stop the rain from coming down

Maybe we can't, maybe we can
Stop the rain, stop the rain

In this bed I, in this bed I, in this bed I scream
I scream

In this bed I scream

Reciprocity said:

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

I think Prince was being himself from jump. He was Prince who many loved and followed before Wendy was an idea. She and her sister have woven tales to make themselves more important and I will add Susan Rodgers to it as Susan Rodgers stans for the Melvoins.

Prince would have been Prince no matter if Wendy or Susannah ever stepped foot in his world.

I am sick of both of them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Reciprocity said:

I think Prince was being himself from jump. He was Prince who many loved and followed before Wendy was an idea. She and her sister have woven tales to make themselves more important and I will add Susan Rodgers to it as Susan Rodgers stans for the Melvoins.

Prince would have been Prince no matter if Wendy or Susannah ever stepped foot in his world.

I am sick of both of them.

Great Pic! One thing I love about Prince is how he was able change decade to decade.

jayseajay said:

jdcxc said:

Wendy M is getting on my nerves. Every interview I read she goes out of her way to claim credit for Prince's creativity. She has a specific agenda in which she feels the need to grab a part of his legacy. The latest garbage in the Chicago Tribune: "What Lisa and I were able to do, we gave him permission not to feel insecure about what he wanted in his life. He had "A Star is Born" on his wall? OK, let's be it. He could be exactly what he wanted to be with a group of people who wanted him to be himself. That's when he started to own everything he was." Cmon! Cash out without all the delusions of grandeur. Your thoughts?

My thoughts are that when Prince was first interviewed - I think it might have been John Bream actually, but I can't remember...at the end of the interview he told him it was the longest he had ever talked to someone in his life. Now, that might be Princely exaggeration, wouldn't be out of character, but the point remains, we have reason to believe that P didn't have a great deal of experience of real closeness and intimacy with other people when he was growing up...and yes, he was close to Andre, but I do get the impression that that was much more typically dudely closeness. So, his relationship with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, as a three, and also individually, was actually possibly the first time in his life he experienced that kind of really tight intimacy you sometimes get in small intense groups like that, and the impression Wendy gives of it, and I have no reason to think she's lying, is that he opened up a lot with them, and let his guard down, and stopped feeling the need to be quite so much Mr Rockstar around them all the time...which is what the whole thing about calling him 'Steve' was about. It's not a huge stretch to suggest that that might have helped P feel more accepted and secure in himself, and that might have had a positive effect on his work...also allowing him to be more creatively open to other people. The fact is that he did produce 3 of his greatest albums (possibly his 3 greatest albums) while he was with them, and after they left / he disbanded the group, arguably, things started to go south a little. P was a stone cold genius, that's never going to be in doubt, really don't worry about the legacy, it's completely solid, but he did often benefit from letting people in a bit, and three of the most important people he ever let in personally and creatively were Wendy, Lisa, and also Susannah, and there's no reason they shouldn't speak about that. They all loved that man to his bones, and still do (and that is despite the fact he was a spectacular asshole to them at times). Really, it's all good.

Yes, yes, yes.

Reciprocity said:but they want to say they made Prince -Prince.

Nope.

Genesia said:

jayseajay said:

My thoughts are that when Prince was first interviewed - I think it might have been John Bream actually, but I can't remember...at the end of the interview he told him it was the longest he had ever talked to someone in his life. Now, that might be Princely exaggeration, wouldn't be out of character, but the point remains, we have reason to believe that P didn't have a great deal of experience of real closeness and intimacy with other people when he was growing up...and yes, he was close to Andre, but I do get the impression that that was much more typically dudely closeness. So, his relationship with Wendy, Lisa and Susannah, as a three, and also individually, was actually possibly the first time in his life he experienced that kind of really tight intimacy you sometimes get in small intense groups like that, and the impression Wendy gives of it, and I have no reason to think she's lying, is that he opened up a lot with them, and let his guard down, and stopped feeling the need to be quite so much Mr Rockstar around them all the time...which is what the whole thing about calling him 'Steve' was about. It's not a huge stretch to suggest that that might have helped P feel more accepted and secure in himself, and that might have had a positive effect on his work...also allowing him to be more creatively open to other people. The fact is that he did produce 3 of his greatest albums (possibly his 3 greatest albums) while he was with them, and after they left / he disbanded the group, arguably, things started to go south a little. P was a stone cold genius, that's never going to be in doubt, really don't worry about the legacy, it's completely solid, but he did often benefit from letting people in a bit, and three of the most important people he ever let in personally and creatively were Wendy, Lisa, and also Susannah, and there's no reason they shouldn't speak about that. They all loved that man to his bones, and still do (and that is despite the fact he was a spectacular asshole to them at times). Really, it's all good.

Yes, yes, yes.

Are you equating the greatness of the alblums with commercial success?

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

My thoughts? People who have a preference for The Revolution and that era of Prince's career aren't going to have an issue with what Wendy said. Me? I agree with the OP.

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

There are many on that wall not just Wendy and Lisa; I never said they were not important clearly they are and they hold a special place in his life.

Reciprocity said:

feeeelings

woa

woa

woa

feeeelings

Reciprocity said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Go by facts over feelings.

Prince's commissioned wall of Inspiration

There are many on that wall not just Wendy and Lisa; I never said they were not important clearly they are and they hold a special place in his life.

My post was not in reply to what U said Reciprocity. But to Rogifan.
But he did make sure they were the closest image to his on the whole mural.

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1999 The Artist still raves about the original Revolution bassist, Brown Mark (who took over for Andre Simone), calling him the tightest bass player next to Graham himself.

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remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. -Prince 1999

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Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul. -Prince 1999

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She plays acoustic guitar with me better than almost anyone. The opportunity came up and her name was the first to come to mind. I’m looking for things to juice me, too.” -Prince 2004

wendy was only in prince life a few years prince was prince long before and grew so much after knowing them chics. sad thing they can claim they made prince but couldnt do it for themselves?? i bought all of wendy and lisa cds but none of thme really blew up pr made them stars on their own. wendy and lisa bigger when it comes to scoring movies and tv shows

cbarnes3121 said:

wendy was only in prince life a few years prince was prince long before and grew so much after knowing them chics. sad thing they can claim they made prince but couldnt do it for themselves?? i bought all of wendy and lisa cds but none of thme really blew up pr made them stars on their own. wendy and lisa bigger when it comes to scoring movies and tv shows

Wendy was in his life the whole time until 2016

And they never claimed they made Prince, people need to stop with that crap.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Oh she isn't saying that. Seriously, I mean Prince always felt comfortable with women and many people in the camp from Eric Leeds Alan Leeds Bobby Z and other said they tapped into a place with Prince. Even Prince dedicated a song to them 10yrs later that says the same.

Life is too short and you are not going to change anything. Prince is gone.

You think you sooo slick.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

My post was not in reply to what U said Reciprocity. But to Rogifan.
But he did make sure they were the closest image to his on the whole mural.

.

.

1999 The Artist still raves about the original Revolution bassist, Brown Mark (who took over for Andre Simone), calling him the tightest bass player next to Graham himself.

.

remember when Miles Davis came to my house. As he was passing by my piano, he stopped and put his hands down on the keys and played these eight chords, one after the other. It was so beautiful; he sounded like Bill Evans or Lisa [Coleman], who also had this way of playing chords that were so perfect. -Prince 1999

.

Lisa was never an explosive keyboard player, but she was a master of color in her harmonies; I could sing off of what she had with straight soul. -Prince 1999

.

She plays acoustic guitar with me better than almost anyone. The opportunity came up and her name was the first to come to mind. I’m looking for things to juice me, too.” -Prince 2004

-We are not talking about what Prince we are discussing Wendy. Nice try.

those are the things Prince said about BrownMark Lisa Coleman and Wendy Melvoin

rogifan said:

There's just something about it that rubs me the wrong way. Same with when she was talking about other musicians he played with and how The Rev was different. I'm sure she doesn't mean any disrespect to anyone else but to me it does come across as if she's placing The Rev as a more important part of his career. I'm sure I'm reading too much into her comments but that's how I feel.

I agree. There is a general tendency of The Revolution and their stans to exaggerate their influence but Wendy in particular can't seem to stop herself from being excessively mouthy. She doesn't mean any harm but does not know when to shut up.

And yes, she has directed snark toward some of the other supremely talented people that Prince has worked with. For the most part I can deal with the other Rev members, but I cannot stand her and her sister.