ksl1974 said:

rogifan said:

ksl1974 said:

It seems the inside circle, friends, former band members, etc...and even the family.... have no trouble with Kirk. So there's obviously a lot we don't know. There's wayyyyyyy more to this whole thing that whats been told to anyone. Gotta be. Cause if he was as "bad" as people on here and other boards make him out to be, why wouldn't anyone close to Prince, ...... sent him packing by now. I'm still going with my theory that he definitely did get Prince some pills........ but in no way thought he would die from them. I think he was trying to control the situation so Prince WOULDN'T go out and try to get them himself..

You answered your own question. There is a lot we don't know. People are convicting someone without all the facts.

I agree.....we, the public, don't have even an ounce of the facts I don't think. We have bits and pieces of it. And then people start playing the blame game with what they have to work with. I do have a feeling Kirk is the key to a lot of things in all this. However, I don't see him as a/the "cause" like some people do! If and when EVERYTHING comes out......I have a feeling we'll all be shocked.

laurarichardson said:

Zannaloaf said:

Apparently you are not on facebook if you think there are no death threats.

I actually belong to a few groups and I do not see death threats. I lot of people do not like him but I have not seen any death threats.

The fact that you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. They could be sent via private message, email, snailmail, phone calls.... any number of ways. And very few people hide in their homes even with death threats being aimed at them. You don't know what's going on there, not that it will stop you from pretending you know all things.

SpookyNopetopus said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

How would Prince steal them from KJ? I imagine that KJ might need pain pills as well for his aches and pains but did P sneak into his home and take his pills and then bring them back to Paisley and then decide to purchase illegal, dangerous pills online and then pick them up himself or risk having them delivered to Paisley Park without someone to go-between? Someone enabled P's addiction and purchase of street pills..if it wasn't KJ, then who was it? Prince was too famous and well-known to score opiods off the street or risk having them sent directly to PP> Also, didn't KJ take P to the pharmacy the day before his death? They had to have been picking up the oxycodone and anti-anxiety meds. Its too much of a coincidence that the only prescription pills were under KJ's name and Prince was pacing around the pharmacy miles away from PP that night. COme on. PUt 2 and 2 together.

I actually kind of hope you are right and that some twist of fate actually happened. . I almost think its sadder that a 30 year friend would faciliate his death than Prince out of desperation sneaking pills and hidding them even from his friend.

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said:

You are missing the point because laws were broken and you seem to think the laws don't apply.

You are free to think what you like it does not change reality

Prince could have stolen those pills from KJ. Dr K has told two different stories about those pills. Why would the cops arrest KJ when they have no proof he handed the pills over to Prince? No proof! And maybe that one detective is busy trying to find the supplier of the pills that ACTUALLY KILLED PRINCE, which is probably a Chinese internet link.

purplerabbithole said:

The search warrants stated that the oxycodone was prescribed on the 20th. What else would they be getting at Walgreens? A carton of milk and a pack of cigarettes? Prince was pacing outside and witnesses stated that he looked anxious.

KJ claimed at the tarmac that he thought it was Percocet that Prince was on on April 14th.

moonsister said:

purplerabbithole said:

How would Prince steal them from KJ? I imagine that KJ might need pain pills as well for his aches and pains but did P sneak into his home and take his pills and then bring them back to Paisley and then decide to purchase illegal, dangerous pills online and then pick them up himself or risk having them delivered to Paisley Park without someone to go-between? Someone enabled P's addiction and purchase of street pills..if it wasn't KJ, then who was it? Prince was too famous and well-known to score opiods off the street or risk having them sent directly to PP> Also, didn't KJ take P to the pharmacy the day before his death? They had to have been picking up the oxycodone and anti-anxiety meds. Its too much of a coincidence that the only prescription pills were under KJ's name and Prince was pacing around the pharmacy miles away from PP that night. COme on. PUt 2 and 2 together.

I actually kind of hope you are right and that some twist of fate actually happened. . I almost think its sadder that a 30 year friend would faciliate his death than Prince out of desperation sneaking pills and hidding them even from his friend.

The oxy scrip that was in Kirk's name was given to Kirk, over the phone from Dr K on April 14th. Prince od'd on oxy on April 14. I think Prince od'd that day on those very pills. But Kirk can say Prince stole them out of his bag or his coat pocket. Then Prince took too many of those pills and od'd on the plane. I don't really think Prince stole them, but Kirk can SAY that, since there is no proof Kirk gave them to Prince. And Kirk would say this to get himself out of trouble. Prince probably told Kirk to say this if anything bad happened which unfortunately it did. The mislabeled pill that killed Prince may not even have been in his possession yet, or it may have deliberately been left at Paisley along with all the other pills they found at Paisley. Prince may have been trying to stop using and left all these pills at home while he travelled, he might have had these pills with him but wanted safe prescribed oxy which Kirk was able to get, or he just hadn't bought the mislabeled pills yet. There are way too many possibilities to just throw Kirk in jail and find him guilty. I don't think anyone knows for sure what was picked up from Walgreens on the 20th. But whatever it was, it did not kill Prince. [Edited 5/1/17 21:55pm]

moonsister said:

purplerabbithole said:

How would Prince steal them from KJ? I imagine that KJ might need pain pills as well for his aches and pains but did P sneak into his home and take his pills and then bring them back to Paisley and then decide to purchase illegal, dangerous pills online and then pick them up himself or risk having them delivered to Paisley Park without someone to go-between? Someone enabled P's addiction and purchase of street pills..if it wasn't KJ, then who was it? Prince was too famous and well-known to score opiods off the street or risk having them sent directly to PP> Also, didn't KJ take P to the pharmacy the day before his death? They had to have been picking up the oxycodone and anti-anxiety meds. Its too much of a coincidence that the only prescription pills were under KJ's name and Prince was pacing around the pharmacy miles away from PP that night. COme on. PUt 2 and 2 together.

I actually kind of hope you are right and that some twist of fate actually happened. . I almost think its sadder that a 30 year friend would faciliate his death than Prince out of desperation sneaking pills and hidding them even from his friend.

The oxy scrip that was in Kirk's name was given to Kirk, over the phone from Dr K on April 14th. Prince od'd on oxy on April 14. I think Prince od'd that day on those very pills. But Kirk can say Prince stole them out of his bag or his coat pocket. Then Prince took too many of those pills and od'd on the plane. I don't really think Prince stole them, but Kirk can SAY that, since there is no proof Kirk gave them to Prince. And Kirk would say this to get himself out of trouble. Prince probably told Kirk to say this if anything bad happened which unfortunately it did. The mislabeled pill that killed Prince may not even have been in his possession yet, or it may have deliberately been left at Paisley along with all the other pills they found at Paisley. Prince may have been trying to stop using and left all these pills at home while he travelled, he might have had these pills with him but wanted safe prescribed oxy which Kirk was able to get, or he just hadn't bought the mislabeled pills yet. There are way too many possibilities to just throw Kirk in jail and find him guilty. I don't think anyone knows for sure what was picked up from Walgreens on the 20th. But whatever it was, it did not kill Prince. [Edited 5/1/17 21:55pm]

The police know what was picked up at Walgreens on the 20th but they cannot prove that KJ gave any of those pain meds to Prince ( Prince did not break into KJ's house and steal the pills) however, he did lie and say all of the scripts were written for Prince when Dr. S put out immediatly that this was not true.

I am sorry but KJ made himself look guilty when he lied and the police may never prove anything just based on his lie that he gave any of his meds to Prince but KJ looks guilty.

The only reason I can see him still hanging around is that something else may have been going on with P's health and he was going to die or get very sick down the road. Those that know this just want to let things settle down and die out by not raising a ruckus about Kirk or the investigation.

Or Prince really did have a lot of people around him who just do not give a crap at all. I have some faith in people so I am going to say something else was going on with his health along with the pain pill issue.

Well I think KJ say it was percocet to throw the trail off of him. I think it was the oxycodone. I do not recall anything in the warrants about Percocet being found at Paisley Park. I think the media took the information that Kirk gave the doctors at Moline and ran with it. I never been able to figure out how Prince could abuse Percocet and get thru the P and M show.

purplerabbithole said:

The search warrants stated that the oxycodone was prescribed on the 20th. What else would they be getting at Walgreens? A carton of milk and a pack of cigarettes? Prince was pacing outside and witnesses stated that he looked anxious.

KJ claimed at the tarmac that he thought it was Percocet that Prince was on on April 14th.

moonsister said:

purplerabbithole said: The oxy scrip that was in Kirk's name was given to Kirk, over the phone from Dr K on April 14th. Prince od'd on oxy on April 14. I think Prince od'd that day on those very pills. But Kirk can say Prince stole them out of his bag or his coat pocket. Then Prince took too many of those pills and od'd on the plane. I don't really think Prince stole them, but Kirk can SAY that, since there is no proof Kirk gave them to Prince. And Kirk would say this to get himself out of trouble. Prince probably told Kirk to say this if anything bad happened which unfortunately it did. The mislabeled pill that killed Prince may not even have been in his possession yet, or it may have deliberately been left at Paisley along with all the other pills they found at Paisley. Prince may have been trying to stop using and left all these pills at home while he travelled, he might have had these pills with him but wanted safe prescribed oxy which Kirk was able to get, or he just hadn't bought the mislabeled pills yet. There are way too many possibilities to just throw Kirk in jail and find him guilty. I don't think anyone knows for sure what was picked up from Walgreens on the 20th. But whatever it was, it did not kill Prince. [Edited 5/1/17 21:55pm]

A lot of information came out of the warrants. No speculation just facts

rogifan said:

I don't think anyone knows for sure much of anything here. Way too much speculation and theories flying around.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

How could Kirk not see death threats coming? What is the guy supposed to go into hiding or something? I'm sorry but death threats are not acceptable period. Anyone engaging in that should have their ass thrown in jail. Btw, these photos are from Kim's FB page.

I mean scrunity after his actions and comments. Like I said before be careful who you defend.

People are defendng the right to not be judged ahead of an investigation or actual charges and not having unstable people making death threats.
Nothing else.
You making it about supporting Kirk or Londell or anyone else is where you decided to take it. Not the actual FB post or most peoples responses here from what I have read.

We are going to use the names of the drugs as used in the search warrant. I seriously doubt that TMZ cared that percocet have the same base drug in them. I am sure whatever rat in Prince's camp that was talking to the media did not take the time to explain that bit of information.

I know that the Rx for the pain pills were not filled over the phone and it never stated that in the search warrant. Kirk had those Rx prescriptions written right in Dr. S office for himself. Something no one seems to thing is odd.

Well we have no official information on what he took before that show or after as nothing official has been made public and I cannot believe anything that KJ stated. So, we still do not have the official word on what happened in Moline. Remember it is locked in the vault in Kirk's head.

The only thing we do know is from the Atlanta promoter who said he came off stage and told her his stomach was hurting and to hold off on announcing the rest of the shows until he could go and see his doctor. Kind of weird that he would not have a clue as to why his stomach was hurting if took some pills before the show? Kind of weird that he called Adrian Crutchfield before the Atlanta show to let him know that there would be no after show since he was not feeling well and still needed to see his doctor.

Things do not make sense.

NotACleverName said:

Kirk would not be able to "throw the trail off of him" because of the simple fact that Percocet and oxycodone both have the same base drug. Percocet is oxycodone with Tylenol added. Easy to understand explanation: "The difference between Percocet and oxycodone is that percs have Tylenol in them & oxycodone doesn't. They are both made out of oxycodone which is made from a derivative called THEBAINE which is extracted from the roots of the opium poppy plant. They both should come back as "oxycodone" in a drug test." Additionally, opiods CANNOT be prescribed over the phone. You have to present a PAPER prescription to the pharmacy with accompanying ID that indisputably matches the prescription. I believe this is a nationwide rule that applies to all Schedule II narcotics. As far as Prince "getting thru the P & M show", he might have taken one pill halfway thru the show then taken another one after the show which eventually raised the level in his system to toxic. Hence the OD happened midway thru the flight back to MN. laurarichardson said:

Well I think KJ say it was percocet to throw the trail off of him. I think it was the oxycodone. I do not recall anything in the warrants about Percocet being found at Paisley Park. I think the media took the information that Kirk gave the doctors at Moline and ran with it. I never been able to figure out how Prince could abuse Percocet and get thru the P and M show.

[Edited 5/2/17 10:48am]

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

A lot of information came out of the warrants. No speculation just facts

Nothing that can tie it all together or convict anyone of anything.

No one said anything about convicting him. I think they have enough to bring him for questioning It does not mean he has to answer any questions wh ich if that happens only makes his look more suspect.

[Edited 5/2/17 10:51am]

purplerabbithole said:

It's been a year. If they had anything on Kirk to even bring him in for questioning (let alone start up some charges against him), something would have been done by now. The cops have either hit a solid brick wall in the case...... or they are going down a whole other path as far as responsibility for Prince's death. We honestly don't know anything. Maybe he's talked to the cops...and they just haven't said. Maybe his attorney has. Maybe they're zero-ing in on someone totally different. WE DON'T KNOW. The only things we know for sure are, Kirk is not in jail. He's roaming free as ever. The pills were in his name. But we don't know the circumstances of that, other than a couple sentences about it in the warrants. That's it. That's about all we can truly say "we know". Everything else is speculation.

moonsister said:

I just now read the warrant that states Dr Schulenberg gave prince a prescription for oxy the same day of Prince's emergency plane landing. Dr S put it in Kirk's name. Prince was in Atlanta that day and Dr S was in Mpls so it must have been by phone or fax. Sorry I said Dr K before, not Dr S. Percocet is oxy, which is an opioid. Dr S has now changed his story.

Even if it was prescribed that day, that doesn't mean Prince was in Atlanta that whole entire 24 hrs of that day and wasn't able to pick it up. I could have asked for a prescription at 8:30 am today in my hometown....... Picked it up at say.. noon.....had my chartered private jet fly me to Atlanta in the afternoon. Totally possible that it was all done in a day in Minneapolis. (unless Prince was in Atlanta the previous day also, but I thought he flew there that very day for the concert. Like arrived just before it started?)

ksl1974 said:

purplerabbithole said:

NONE of the scrips were in Prince's name. NONE. The only scrips found were in KJ's name. If Prince was at the pharmacy and had no scrips and was driven by his bodyguard (ie Kirk) and the scrips found were in his name, then KJ picked them up while Prince paced outside in the parking lot.. Walgreens won't just hand drugs to folks without prescriptions.

moonsister said:

purplerabbithole said:

Let's say that all KJ did was get oxycodone for Prince on April 20th, That, in my opinion, is enough for most people who supposedly cared for Prince to be extremely weary of this man, to tell him to explain himself. If my son for example (God Forbid) had a drug overdose and 4 days later his friend picked up drugs under that friend's name for him, I would be pissed and that 'Friend" would have charges brought against him. People in Prince's Purple Army act like this man did absolutely nothing wrong and that is fvcked up. All these people are selling books and making money off Prince's death and acting as if a drug addiction was a complete shock to them. Then this stuff about KJ comes out and they still act like Prince died from drugs that magically landed in his lap. It does make me think that all these folks were gravy=train riding enablers themselves and I do hate feeling that way (I really like Steve, MOrris H, Kim Berry and Shelby but how disappointing that they seem to be supporting KJ.)

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[Edited 4/26/17 4:10am]

[Edited 4/26/17 4:13am]

But Prince picked up his own scrips on the 20th. And maybe they were medication to ease withdrawal symptoms. The warrants don't state that Kirk picked up any scrips on the 20th. But now Dr S is saying the scrip really was for Kirk, and Kirk is saying the scrip was for Kirk, and probably saying he has no idea how Prince got the drugs I think he overdosed on on the 14th. Kirk is not a hero in this sad story but neither is anyone else. [Edited 5/2/17 14:06pm]

[Edited 5/2/17 15:18pm]

Co-sign. No pain pills were written for Prince per Dr. S and I am sure he has the documentation to cover himself. Did we ever find out if those TMZ pics were from the 20th or an earlier time? We have reports that he was going to the Walgreens all the time. It still does not make sense that he had legitmate pain meds and still used the fake pills?

purplerabbithole said:

NONE of the scrips were in Prince's name. NONE. The only scrips found were in KJ's name. If Prince was at the pharmacy and had no scrips and was driven by his bodyguard (ie Kirk) and the scrips found were in his name, then KJ picked them up while Prince paced outside in the parking lot.. Walgreens won't just hand drugs to folks without prescriptions.

moonsister said:

purplerabbithole said: But Prince picked up his own scrips on the 20th. And maybe they were medication to ease withdrawal symptoms. The warrants don't state that Kirk picked up any scrips on the 20th. But now Dr S is saying the scrip really was for Kirk, and Kirk is saying the scrip was for Kirk, and probably saying he has no idea how Prince got the drugs I think he overdosed on on the 14th. Kirk is not a hero in this sad story but neither is anyone else. [Edited 5/2/17 14:06pm]

[Edited 5/2/17 15:18pm]

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said: