You make very good points at this point the associates either know something they are not saying or they only care about getting paid.

purplerabbithole said:

Let's say that all KJ did was get oxycodone for Prince on April 20th, That, in my opinion, is enough for most people who supposedly cared for Prince to be extremely weary of this man, to tell him to explain himself. If my son for example (God Forbid) had a drug overdose and 4 days later his friend picked up drugs under that friend's name for him, I would be pissed and that 'Friend" would have charges brought against him. People in Prince's Purple Army act like this man did absolutely nothing wrong and that is fvcked up. All these people are selling books and making money off Prince's death and acting as if a drug addiction was a complete shock to them. Then this stuff about KJ comes out and they still act like Prince died from drugs that magically landed in his lap. I hate to think it because it does make me think that all these folks were gravy=train riding enablers themselves and I do hate feeling that way (I really like Steve and Shelby but how disappointing.)

morningsong said:

purplerabbithole said: People have been downright violent beyond making snide comments on a message board, which is what we're talking about. Personally I've made my choice. If Kirks name on some pills, that did not kill Prince, is illegal he's got that to deal with. But again Prince died from illicit Fentanyl. So unless you have some concrete evidence then you're choosing to run amok with made up stories plain and simple. That's what a lynch mob does, period.

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I really really really hope I am wrong.

laurarichardson said:

You make very good points at this point the associates either know something they are not saying or they only care about getting paid.

purplerabbithole said:

Let's say that all KJ did was get oxycodone for Prince on April 20th, That, in my opinion, is enough for most people who supposedly cared for Prince to be extremely weary of this man, to tell him to explain himself. If my son for example (God Forbid) had a drug overdose and 4 days later his friend picked up drugs under that friend's name for him, I would be pissed and that 'Friend" would have charges brought against him. People in Prince's Purple Army act like this man did absolutely nothing wrong and that is fvcked up. All these people are selling books and making money off Prince's death and acting as if a drug addiction was a complete shock to them. Then this stuff about KJ comes out and they still act like Prince died from drugs that magically landed in his lap. It does make me think that all these folks were gravy=train riding enablers themselves and I do hate feeling that way (I really like Steve, Morris H, Kim Berry and Shelby but how disappointing to see them supporting KJ.)

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I hope you are wrong as well. I want to think some other illness or issue was occuring because now we know more about his dependence on these pain pills there is no reason for people around him to be crytic and weird anymore. If something else was going be it illness, suicide or even depression come on out and say it otherwise they are are starting to look like money grubbing bums.

purplerabbithole said:

I really really really hope I am wrong.

laurarichardson said:

You make very good points at this point the associates either know something they are not saying or they only care about getting paid.

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I agree Laura...In a way I wish they would say he had s terminal illness which he did not want to treat aggressively and at some point he took matters into his own hands ,which is what I deduct from reading all the cryptic messages.Maybe nothing is said for insurance purposes or maybe Iam way off base...

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Wait so now everyone at the Celebration event only cares about being paid because they haven't kicked Kirk out of the building and told him never to come back? Lynch mob indeed. Good lord I wouldn't want any of you on a jury.

--Please take the time to read the search warrants. KJ got caught telling lies to the cops and appears to have given Prince prescription pain pills that were written to him. This is against the law and getting mad at people who are notating this will not change anything. If that were my friend and I did nothing wrong I would do everything to help the investigation not lie. People lie when they have something to hide and now the entire world knows he was lying. [Edited 4/26/17 6:17am]

I have to agree with Laura on this one Additionally, I am torn between the loyalty and respect for Prince privacy vs. his silence and inconsistent information he provides leading to suspect him in his intentions.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

Wait so now everyone at the Celebration event only cares about being paid because they haven't kicked Kirk out of the building and told him never to come back? Lynch mob indeed. Good lord I wouldn't want any of you on a jury.

--Please take the time to read the search warrants. KJ got caught telling lies to the cops and appears to have given Prince prescription pain pills that were written to him. This is against the law and getting mad at people who are notating this will not change anything. If that were my friend and I did nothing wrong I would do everything to help the investigation not lie. People lie when they have something to hide and now the entire world knows about his lies. The associates either know he is telling lies and do not care or there was something else going on. Tell it if so because everybody hanging with dude looks like vultures. Say what you want about Jill at least she spoke about his lies. [Edited 4/26/17 6:17am] [Edited 4/26/17 6:20am]

The doctor wrote the prescrition and I'm sure he didnt write it for a guy who clearl;y was not in need of medication. Why is no one taking the doctor to task? Becasue many fans already disliked Kirk.
I've read a few posts by Jill Jones, but she has her issues with Prince and smack talks many people around him. It doesn't make her more "right" becasue she is incindiary and plays into the things you want to believe.
I see the same thing with Mayte and Manuela.These forums had jealous haters from the beginning, so anyone who calls them out now is an open invitation to pile on.

It seems people can't separate their feelings from facts and let professionals do thier jobs. I diont think saying death threats are uncalled for and that people should wait until someone is proven guitly to insist they are guilty is a stretch.

Zannaloaf said:

laurarichardson said:

You make very good points at this point the associates either know something they are not saying or they only care about getting paid.

Nope. Nothing near what I said.

Zannaloaf said:

XxAxX said:

purplerabbithole said:

Let's say that all KJ did was get oxycodone for Prince on April 20th, That, in my opinion, is enough for most people who supposedly cared for Prince to be extremely weary of this man, to tell him to explain himself. If my son for example (God Forbid) had a drug overdose and 4 days later his friend picked up drugs under that friend's name for him, I would be pissed and that 'Friend" would have charges brought against him. People in Prince's Purple Army act like this man did absolutely nothing wrong and that is fvcked up. All these people are selling books and making money off Prince's death and acting as if a drug addiction was a complete shock to them. Then this stuff about KJ comes out and they still act like Prince died from drugs that magically landed in his lap. It does make me think that all these folks were gravy=train riding enablers themselves and I do hate feeling that way (I really like Steve, MOrris H, Kim Berry and Shelby but how disappointing that they seem to be supporting KJ.)

morningsong said:

purplerabbithole said: People have been downright violent beyond making snide comments on a message board, which is what we're talking about. Personally I've made my choice. If Kirks name on some pills, that did not kill Prince, is illegal he's got that to deal with. But again Prince died from illicit Fentanyl. So unless you have some concrete evidence then you're choosing to run amok with made up stories plain and simple. That's what a lynch mob does, period.

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Purplerabbit: My thoughts, exactly!

rogifan said:

He is innocent until proven guilty. Mostly everybody in the camp is posing with him, so I asume they don't see him as suspect, criminal, or an enablar. If anything comes from the investigation and he is implicated, let's how the people who are posing with him will be reacting.

Purplestar88 said:

laurarichardson said:

No, I don't think they all care if KJ is innocent...check out this reaction from an old engineer to Steve's defense of KJ... This is some fucked up thinking in my opinion. Its like people are so addicted to being in Prince's orbit that they would do anything he says even if it is bad for Prince and their own well being. Its like Prince is their drug and eventually they just want to kill the addiction. They seem to imply they are the victims of being pushed too hard, demanded too much out of...but if anything they are victims of their own ambition and infatuation with Prince. Enabling is still enabling. A job can be quit.

Plus, anyone can be a victim. Prince, at the very least, was a victim of addiction (addiction to music and drugs, it seems).

1. For those of you who followed the latest published details about the last Prince days and feel inclined to judge - keep your judgements off Mr. Kirk Johnson. Kirk is the one person around Prince who always provided Prince with exactly the type of loyalty he craved. Even though we don't see each other a lot, I'd always want Kirk on my team, because there's nothing false about him and he was always there when I needed him. Kirk was the friend Prince wanted, whereas everybody else (including myself) is just commenting to the people on the sidelines. If I would still have been part of the purple circle last year, it may have been my name on those bottles. And if you think of Prince as a victim and you're casting the first stone at Kirk, you have no clue.

Purplestar88 said:

He is innocent until proven guilty. Mostly everybody in the camp is posing with him, so I asume they don't see him as suspect, criminal, or an enablar. If anything comes from the investigation and he is implicated, let's how the people who are posing with him will be reacting.

laurarichardson said:

Purplestar88 said:

He is innocent until proven guilty. Mostly everybody in the camp is posing with him, so I asume they don't see him as suspect, criminal, or an enablar. If anything comes from the investigation and he is implicated, let's how the people who are posing with him will be reacting.

--Do you see anyone who supported Londell saying anything now. The same thing will happen if Kirk is taken away in cuffs. You will hear silence.

Just sad.

purplerabbithole said:

No, I don't think they all care if KJ is innocent...check out this reaction from an old engineer to Steve's defense of KJ... This is some fucked up thinking in my opinion. Its like people are so addicted to being in Prince's orbit that they would do anything he says even if it is bad for Prince and their own well being. Its like Prince is their drug and eventually they just want to kill the addiction. They seem to imply they are the victims of being pushed too hard, demanded too much out of...but if anything they are victims of their own ambition and infatuation with Prince. Enabling is still enabling. A job can be quit.

Plus, anyone can be a victim. Prince, at the very least, was a victim of addiction (addiction to music and drugs, it seems).

Purplestar88 said:

He is innocent until proven guilty. Mostly everybody in the camp is posing with him, so I asume they don't see him as suspect, criminal, or an enablar. If anything comes from the investigation and he is implicated, let's how the people who are posing with him will be reacting.

You made a good point. I feel wrong is wrong. At the end of the day the law does not care if you were just being a "loyal friend" or Prince wanted it line. Who's know what really went on.

purplerabbithole said:

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said:

No, I don't think they all care if KJ is innocent...check out this reaction from an old engineer to Steve's defense of KJ... This is some fucked up thinking in my opinion. Its like people are so addicted to being in Prince's orbit that they would do anything he says even if it is bad for Prince and their own well being. Its like Prince is their drug and eventually they just want to kill the addiction. They seem to imply they are the victims of being pushed too hard, demanded too much out of...but if anything they are victims of their own ambition and infatuation with Prince. Enabling is still enabling. A job can be quit.

Plus, anyone can be a victim. Prince, at the very least, was a victim of addiction (addiction to music and drugs, it seems).

I didn't get that from his comments at all. And again there is so much that we don't know...like if the pills that ultimately killed Prince were even provided to him by KJ. But yet people are making that assumption.....and making the assumption that KJ did nothing but feed Prince pills when he should have put his ass in rehab. Because we know that no one was trying to help Prince get off these painkillers (we don't) and grown adults can be forced into rehab (they can't).

You are so missing the point. These people were concerned for their jobs. Prince was seeing a doctor for withdrawals so he was getting help that was not being successful and people around him were enabling to keep the checks rolling in even to the point of breaking the law.

Because Prince having those pills with KJ's name on them is breaking the law.

Errrr what did he expect?. Kirk signed the frigging prescriptions....as his oldest friend on the scene he could & should have done a lot more..i would have camped on he goddam outside entrance ground if i had to...or even hid in the building all night every night until i knew he was recovering.

laurarichardson said:

I don't agree with threats ... but Kirky J is a big boy that needs to put on his Fruit of the Looms and deal with whatever role [he may have played] in the death of Prince.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

You are so missing the point. These people were concerned for their jobs. Prince was seeing a doctor for withdrawals so he was getting help that was not being successful and people around him were enabling to keep the checks rolling in even to the point of breaking the law.

Because Prince having those pills with KJ's name on them is breaking the law.

I'm not missing the point. You're the one assuming everyone's motivation is money. If that were the case it would be in KJ or whomever's interest to make sure Prince didn't die from an overdose as he was their meal ticket (in your scenario). If he's no longer here where is the money coming from, they're not heirs to the estate so they won't be making money off of future music sales, PP museum ticket & merchandise sales or anything else. KJ might be getting a paycheck if Graceland is employing him but I doubt it's anything close to what he was being paid when Prince was still alive.

You are missing the point because laws were broken and you seem to think the laws don't apply.

You are free to think what you like it does not change reality

bondno9 said:

I don't agree with threats ... but Kirky J is a big boy that needs to put on his Fruit of the Looms and deal with whatever role [he may have played] in the death of Prince.

Co-sign