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Reply #1530 posted 04/26/17 8:16pm

206Michelle

sonshine said:

I just read an old article today from In Style magazine I believe done in 1999. He was interviewed in NYC and Mayte was with him and was referred to as his partner as they were no longer married at this time. But he was quoted in the article saying again how she was his soulmate and talking about their home in Spain and how it was their dream home blah blah blah. I just don't get him. He was already by this time leading a double life, talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's easy to see how confusing this must have been for Mayte. Just about the time you accept your marriage is over he's acting like he's still all about you. So you go back to believing him, trusting him. Until you get the call he is marrying another woman. WHAAAAA?!?! In any case she finally got the message. Its a bit easier for me to understand now why she stayed in Spain when she was getting such mixed messages. He made her believe it was their love nest. I've no doubt he could be very persuasive. This thing with him and Mani is the one and only thing that has ever made me see him in a poor light. And that is not the fault of Mayte or this book. This was all common knowledge already. But I also realize that he was broken in some ways and that made him capable of doing what he did. Not to mention the fact that he had people close to him (Mani and LG) actually encouraging this wrong thinking and behavior which gave him permission or the belief what he was doing somehow was ok. Smh I do blame them as much as I blame him for the things he did in regards to his marriage to Mayte.

Sonshine, You make some great points. I think it's fair to say that Prince was an enigma in may ways to his fans and the general public. After reading The Most Beautiful, I think it's also fair to say that he was an enigma in many ways to his closest friends, familiy members, and associates as well.

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As far as him referring to Mayte as his partner and then calling her his soulmate, who knows what he was thinking. Like Mayte said in the book, maybe he was struggling with the whole Manuela situation. My best guess is that he was confused and trying to figure out what he wanted to do with his life. "Do eye stay with Mayte? Do eye carry on with Manuela? Do eye become a Jehovah's Witness? Do "i" still want children? Where the heck am eye going in my life?" However, because he was a public figure, and his private life was a topic that would arise during interviews and appearances, these inner struggles that he was experiencing played out on the public stage to some degree.

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Here is a metaphor. I hope it's not offensive to anyone. Imagine that Prince is a quarterback playing in the NFL of the mid 2000s, prior to all of the concussion protocols. On the opposing team is a defensive end or outside linebacker (e.g. someone of the caliber of Lawrence Taylor or Von Miller). The DE/LB sacks the QB 1 time and the QB gets his "bell rung" (a mild concussion). The QB continues to play. The DE/LB sacks the QB another time, and the QB's concussion becomes even worse. At this point, the QB is woozy, but he still wants to play. Instead of doing the smart thing and going to the sidelines for a break, he continues to play, and on the next play, he's physically and mentally not himself, forgets what the playbook tells him to do, makes a major mistake, and throws an interception.

.

Now, going back to Prince, think of the first sack as the death of Amiir and the second sack as the miscarriage. He lost all sense of direction after Amiir's death. The miscarriage only made things worse. He was dazed and confused. The losses of the babies made his grand plan for married life and fatherhood go up in smoke. And instead of taking a break, going for counseling/treatment, and trying to really address the issues that he was facing with his marriage and his life in general, he kept going on with his life without giving himself time to heal. Because he kept going on with his life, he lost his way. He became very involved in the Jehovah's Witness faith even though Mayte wasn't interested. He starts thinking that Amiir's death was a punishment for his behavior as a younger man. He starts seeing another woman who is not his wife. He comes up with this "annulment" B.S. in order to try and reconcile the fact that he is married with Mayte, but he is seeing Manuela at the same time.

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Basically, I think he didn't really know what he wanted to do with his life. And yes, I'm sure that Mayte was confused. She admits in the book that the whole annulment situation is still confusing to her.

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Reply #1531 posted 04/26/17 8:17pm

Purplestar88

JudasLChrist said:

Purplestar88 said:

This is not about a woman issue. No one is above criticism. Were you complaining when the negativity was focus on Prince? None and I mean none of the women have endured the criticism that Prince have gotten and that's the bottom line.


I think it's very much about things like misogyny, homophobia, plain jealousy, etc... Beacuse there isn't any legitimate reason to attack the women in his life the way people do. There just isn't. People love Prince. The idea that others helped him or had a musical conversation with him isn't criticism.

Maybe for some, that might be the case. But for me that is not the case. People confuse criticism and attacking. Their is a difference. Not everybody loves Prince. People helped Prince, no one can argue about that but when people try to take credit for stuff they did not do and make it seem like he is nothing without them, that may be an issue some people. And it is their right to feel so. When creativity happens it flows and that's when the magic happens.

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Reply #1532 posted 04/26/17 8:21pm

JudasLChrist

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Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:


I think it's very much about things like misogyny, homophobia, plain jealousy, etc... Beacuse there isn't any legitimate reason to attack the women in his life the way people do. There just isn't. People love Prince. The idea that others helped him or had a musical conversation with him isn't criticism.

Maybe for some, that might be the case. But for me that is not the case. People confuse criticism and attacking. Their is a difference. Not everybody loves Prince. People helped Prince, no one can argue about that but when people try to take credit for stuff they did not do and make it seem like he is nothing without them, that may be an issue some people. And it is their right to feel so. When creativity happens it flows and that's when the magic happens.


Literally no-one has done this.

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Reply #1533 posted 04/26/17 8:38pm

Purplestar88

JudasLChrist said:

Purplestar88 said:

Maybe for some, that might be the case. But for me that is not the case. People confuse criticism and attacking. Their is a difference. Not everybody loves Prince. People helped Prince, no one can argue about that but when people try to take credit for stuff they did not do and make it seem like he is nothing without them, that may be an issue some people. And it is their right to feel so. When creativity happens it flows and that's when the magic happens.


Literally no-one has done this.

Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not.

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Reply #1534 posted 04/26/17 8:40pm

206Michelle

sonshine said:

I just read an old article today from In Style magazine I believe done in 1999. He was interviewed in NYC and Mayte was with him and was referred to as his partner as they were no longer married at this time. But he was quoted in the article saying again how she was his soulmate and talking about their home in Spain and how it was their dream home blah blah blah. I just don't get him. He was already by this time leading a double life, talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's easy to see how confusing this must have been for Mayte. Just about the time you accept your marriage is over he's acting like he's still all about you. So you go back to believing him, trusting him. Until you get the call he is marrying another woman. WHAAAAA?!?! In any case she finally got the message. Its a bit easier for me to understand now why she stayed in Spain when she was getting such mixed messages. He made her believe it was their love nest. I've no doubt he could be very persuasive. This thing with him and Mani is the one and only thing that has ever made me see him in a poor light. And that is not the fault of Mayte or this book. This was all common knowledge already. But I also realize that he was broken in some ways and that made him capable of doing what he did. Not to mention the fact that he had people close to him (Mani and LG) actually encouraging this wrong thinking and behavior which gave him permission or the belief what he was doing somehow was ok. Smh I do blame them as much as I blame him for the things he did in regards to his marriage to Mayte.

And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:

"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"

.

Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!

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Reply #1535 posted 04/26/17 8:50pm

JudasLChrist

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Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:


Literally no-one has done this.

Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not.


No. They are just wrong, and they want to start shit, and pick the women in Prince's life to death. They just need to shut the fuck up.

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Reply #1536 posted 04/26/17 8:53pm

LBrent

Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:


Literally no-one has done this.

Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not.

Ok, since no one is gonna ask, I guess it's up to me to ask...

Since this is specifically a thread about Mayte's book, am I understanding you to say that Mayte "tried to take credit for something" she "didn't do" and "make it seem like he was nothing without" her in her book?

confused

Examples please because I did not read anything like that in Mayte's book.

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Reply #1537 posted 04/26/17 9:10pm

sonshine

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I couldn't agree more. Mani and LG teamed up big time and got in Prince's head. They both had their own gains involved, which P couldn't see at the time. I heard he left the religion towards the end.

I think Mayte needed to step up and fight for him. I would have been wherever he was. If he wasn't in Spain, I wouldn't be in Spain. She also could have opened her mind up and gone to the JW meetings, for no other reason than to see what it is that was taking up so much of his attention. That would show that you're a supportive wife. Boycotting it altogether backs a man into a corner and made it easier for LG/Mani.

sonshine said:

I just read an old article today from In Style magazine I believe done in 1999. He was interviewed in NYC and Mayte was with him and was referred to as his partner as they were no longer married at this time. But he was quoted in the article saying again how she was his soulmate and talking about their home in Spain and how it was their dream home blah blah blah. I just don't get him. He was already by this time leading a double life, talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's easy to see how confusing this must have been for Mayte. Just about the time you accept your marriage is over he's acting like he's still all about you. So you go back to believing him, trusting him. Until you get the call he is marrying another woman. WHAAAAA?!?! In any case she finally got the message. Its a bit easier for me to understand now why she stayed in Spain when she was getting such mixed messages. He made her believe it was their love nest. I've no doubt he could be very persuasive. This thing with him and Mani is the one and only thing that has ever made me see him in a poor light. And that is not the fault of Mayte or this book. This was all common knowledge already. But I also realize that he was broken in some ways and that made him capable of doing what he did. Not to mention the fact that he had people close to him (Mani and LG) actually encouraging this wrong thinking and behavior which gave him permission or the belief what he was doing somehow was ok. Smh I do blame them as much as I blame him for the things he did in regards to his marriage to Mayte.

It would have been impossible for me to stay that far apart from my man with similar shenanigans going on. Idk maybe she wanted him to want her wholly on his own, or she didn't want to appear desperate, or she thought absence would make the heart grow fonder. shrug

Also, I did want to add that she did in fact go to some of the JW meetings, etc and while she wasn't into it she also did not object initially to his interest in it either.

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Reply #1538 posted 04/26/17 9:19pm

Purplestar88

LBrent said:

Purplestar88 said:

Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not.

Ok, since no one is gonna ask, I guess it's up to me to ask...

Since this is specifically a thread about Mayte's book, am I understanding you to say that Mayte "tried to take credit for something" she "didn't do" and "make it seem like he was nothing without" her in her book?

confused

Examples please because I did not read anything like that in Mayte's book.

neutral

I did not name names.

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Reply #1539 posted 04/26/17 9:23pm

Purplestar88

JudasLChrist said:

Purplestar88 said:

Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not.


No. They are just wrong, and they want to start shit, and pick the women in Prince's life to death. They just need to shut the fuck up.

That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story.

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Reply #1540 posted 04/26/17 9:34pm

LBrent

Purplestar88 said:

LBrent said:

Ok, since no one is gonna ask, I guess it's up to me to ask...

Since this is specifically a thread about Mayte's book, am I understanding you to say that Mayte "tried to take credit for something" she "didn't do" and "make it seem like he was nothing without" her in her book?

confused

Examples please because I did not read anything like that in Mayte's book.

neutral

I did not name names.

Yes I know that you didn't name names, which makes your comment more confusing because this thread is discussing Mayte's book and your comment implies that it has something to do with Mayte's book.

It would be odd for a comment in this thread not to be about Mayte's book...ya know..in a thread about Maye's book.

If I'm misunderstanding about your comments having anything to do with Mayte's book then I'm really confused.

confused

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Reply #1541 posted 04/26/17 9:40pm

LBrent


Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:


No. They are just wrong, and they want to start shit, and pick the women in Prince's life to death. They just need to shut the fuck up.

That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story.

Well now that would be true if your disagreement on page 47 hadn't moved on to pages 48, 49, 50, 51 and 52, but yet here we are.

lol

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Reply #1542 posted 04/26/17 9:44pm

JudasLChrist

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Purplestar88 said:

JudasLChrist said:


No. They are just wrong, and they want to start shit, and pick the women in Prince's life to death. They just need to shut the fuck up.

That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story.


This not about disagreement. This is about what is and isn't appropriate. If people want to talk baseless shit about Prince's women, they need to keep their mouths shut.

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Reply #1543 posted 04/27/17 2:56am

Purplestar88

LBrent said:

Purplestar88 said:

I did not name names.

Yes I know that you didn't name names, which makes your comment more confusing because this thread is discussing Mayte's book and your comment implies that it has something to do with Mayte's book.

It would be odd for a comment in this thread not to be about Mayte's book...ya know..in a thread about Maye's book.

If I'm misunderstanding about your comments having anything to do with Mayte's book then I'm really confused.

confused

Direct your comment to this person who said: "The fact of the matter is that there is subset of Prince so-called-fans who are hypercritical and cruel when it comes to the women in Prince's life, whether that be Wendy and Lisa, or his wives, or other women he dated and/or worked with. Incidentally, the majority of this hypercritical, suspicious hoarde are women them selves. Go figure. One wishes the org had some system of up-votes and down votes so that we could put the kaboosh." And then this: " think it's very much about things like misogyny, homophobia, plain jealousy, etc... Beacuse there isn't any legitimate reason to attack the women in his life the way people do. There just isn't. People love Prince. The idea that others helped him or had a musical conversation with him isn't criticism."

Stay confused. You don't want to question this person but want to question me. It is sad that people are bringing up misogyny, homophobia, and plain jealousy just because people say a negative word or two about Mayte or any other female associate.

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Reply #1544 posted 04/27/17 3:10am

MMJas

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206Michelle said:

sonshine said:

I just read an old article today from In Style magazine I believe done in 1999. He was interviewed in NYC and Mayte was with him and was referred to as his partner as they were no longer married at this time. But he was quoted in the article saying again how she was his soulmate and talking about their home in Spain and how it was their dream home blah blah blah. I just don't get him. He was already by this time leading a double life, talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's easy to see how confusing this must have been for Mayte. Just about the time you accept your marriage is over he's acting like he's still all about you. So you go back to believing him, trusting him. Until you get the call he is marrying another woman. WHAAAAA?!?! In any case she finally got the message. Its a bit easier for me to understand now why she stayed in Spain when she was getting such mixed messages. He made her believe it was their love nest. I've no doubt he could be very persuasive. This thing with him and Mani is the one and only thing that has ever made me see him in a poor light. And that is not the fault of Mayte or this book. This was all common knowledge already. But I also realize that he was broken in some ways and that made him capable of doing what he did. Not to mention the fact that he had people close to him (Mani and LG) actually encouraging this wrong thinking and behavior which gave him permission or the belief what he was doing somehow was ok. Smh I do blame them as much as I blame him for the things he did in regards to his marriage to Mayte.

And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:

"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"

.

Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!

Unfortunately, that's a common pattern. See Oprah's show after his baby had died and his party and riding a bike after the OD on the plane. He just did not want people to know about his personal business, so he lied whenever he needed to.

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Reply #1545 posted 04/27/17 3:18am

Purplestar88

JudasLChrist said:

Purplestar88 said:

That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story.


This not about disagreement. This is about what is and isn't appropriate. If people want to talk baseless shit about Prince's women, they need to keep their mouths shut.

Again that's your opinion. You can't dictate what is or what is not appropriate for people to say about Mayte or any other associate. People will not keep their mouth shut. Things do not work that way. Women were a big force in Prince's creative world. You don't see many people in the business female or male that hyped up their dancers, singers, and musicans like Prince did. He did not have to put people in booklets, name check them, or put them in projects. He could have just let them stand there and be nameless.

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Reply #1546 posted 04/27/17 3:33am

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206Michelle said:



sonshine said:


I just read an old article today from In Style magazine I believe done in 1999. He was interviewed in NYC and Mayte was with him and was referred to as his partner as they were no longer married at this time. But he was quoted in the article saying again how she was his soulmate and talking about their home in Spain and how it was their dream home blah blah blah. I just don't get him. He was already by this time leading a double life, talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's easy to see how confusing this must have been for Mayte. Just about the time you accept your marriage is over he's acting like he's still all about you. So you go back to believing him, trusting him. Until you get the call he is marrying another woman. WHAAAAA?!?! In any case she finally got the message. Its a bit easier for me to understand now why she stayed in Spain when she was getting such mixed messages. He made her believe it was their love nest. I've no doubt he could be very persuasive. This thing with him and Mani is the one and only thing that has ever made me see him in a poor light. And that is not the fault of Mayte or this book. This was all common knowledge already. But I also realize that he was broken in some ways and that made him capable of doing what he did. Not to mention the fact that he had people close to him (Mani and LG) actually encouraging this wrong thinking and behavior which gave him permission or the belief what he was doing somehow was ok. Smh I do blame them as much as I blame him for the things he did in regards to his marriage to Mayte.



And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:


"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"


.


Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!



Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there.
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Reply #1547 posted 04/27/17 4:09am

Lovejunky

sonshine said:

206Michelle said:

And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:

"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"

.

Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!

Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there.

Something must have really upset him...

becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?

but then again

he Did BURN people...so

But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..

and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...

and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..

THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...

I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....

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Reply #1548 posted 04/27/17 7:21am

annalizer

Lovejunky said:



sonshine said:


206Michelle said:


And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:


"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"


.


Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!



Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there.

Something must have really upset him...



becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?



but then again



he Did BURN people...so




But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..



and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...



and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..



THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...



I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....





It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing.
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Reply #1549 posted 04/27/17 8:47am

LBrent

Purplestar88 said:

LBrent said:

Yes I know that you didn't name names, which makes your comment more confusing because this thread is discussing Mayte's book and your comment implies that it has something to do with Mayte's book.

It would be odd for a comment in this thread not to be about Mayte's book...ya know..in a thread about Maye's book.

If I'm misunderstanding about your comments having anything to do with Mayte's book then I'm really confused.

confused

Direct your comment to this person who said: "The fact of the matter is that there is subset of Prince so-called-fans who are hypercritical and cruel when it comes to the women in Prince's life, whether that be Wendy and Lisa, or his wives, or other women he dated and/or worked with. Incidentally, the majority of this hypercritical, suspicious hoarde are women them selves. Go figure. One wishes the org had some system of up-votes and down votes so that we could put the kaboosh." And then this: " think it's very much about things like misogyny, homophobia, plain jealousy, etc... Beacuse there isn't any legitimate reason to attack the women in his life the way people do. There just isn't. People love Prince. The idea that others helped him or had a musical conversation with him isn't criticism."

Stay confused. You don't want to question this person but want to question me. It is sad that people are bringing up misogyny, homophobia, and plain jealousy just because people say a negative word or two about Mayte or any other female associate.

Yup. Still confuse. Still not in Mayte's book, so...

But that's okay. It's mostly "white noise"* at this point.

I'm good.

lol

*"White noice" as in noise that blends into the background, this phrase has nothing to do with race, duh.

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Reply #1550 posted 04/27/17 2:13pm

jayseajay

So, part two of the podcast is up for those of you interested https://princesongs.org/2...re-jones/. This week we talk about Ben Greenman's book, sort of, and a lot about P and flow and his general VJ whispering capacities (in only slightly less blunt terms) and also his sprituality and the conversion. Next week we're doing Mayte. Love to you all. smile

Not like I love my guitar....
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Reply #1551 posted 04/27/17 2:27pm

BillieBalloon

annalizer said:

Lovejunky said:



sonshine said:


206Michelle said:


And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:


"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"


.


Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!



Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there.

Something must have really upset him...



becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?



but then again



he Did BURN people...so




But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..



and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...



and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..



THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...



I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....





It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing.
[Edited 4/27/17 7:24am]




And she spent decades trying to get back with him.

She should have spoken to you first.
Baby, you're a star.

Meet me in another world, space and joy
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Reply #1552 posted 04/27/17 4:06pm

PennyPurple

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MMJas said:

206Michelle said:

And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:

"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"

.

Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!

Unfortunately, that's a common pattern. See Oprah's show after his baby had died and his party and riding a bike after the OD on the plane. He just did not want people to know about his personal business, so he lied whenever he needed to.

I'm beginning to find this out after reading Alex Hahn's book.

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Reply #1553 posted 04/27/17 5:18pm

kmama07

JudasLChrist said:



Purplestar88 said:




JudasLChrist said:




No. They are just wrong, and they want to start shit, and pick the women in Prince's life to death. They just need to shut the fuck up.



That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story.




This not about disagreement. This is about what is and isn't appropriate. If people want to talk baseless shit about Prince's women, they need to keep their mouths shut.


...or start their own "talk baseless shit about Prince's women" thread. Haha
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Reply #1554 posted 04/27/17 7:16pm

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Lovejunky said:



sonshine said:


206Michelle said:


And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says:


"Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'"


.


Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!!



Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there.

Something must have really upset him...



becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?



but then again



he Did BURN people...so




But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..



and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...



and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..



THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...



I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....




Meh, I still think it was done just for "show". He was making a statement for the benefit of his new love interest. I'm sure Mani read the magazine article too and probably saw his comments about Mayte so in order to not lose her he had to prove he was truly done with wife #1. The man was creative for sure in all ways.
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #1555 posted 04/28/17 6:15am

NickiStarr

You're right, she did go to some meetings initially.

I think that P set the relationship up for him to be the expressor/agressor. He romanced Mayte and pursued her, etc. When it came time for Mayte to be the expressor/agressor she didn't know how to bc that's not how their relationship was. She didn't even have his phone number while they were dating! I think he needed her to pursue him bc he was feeling vulnerable. His feelings could have been all over the place- guilt for what happened with the baby, scared she didn't love him bc they could'nt have kids...who knows! Her staying away instead of reassuring him that she loved him regardless could have been to their detriment. She paints him as a player and running around with Mani, but he probably needed his wife but didn't know how to ask for help.

sonshine said:

NickiStarr said:

I couldn't agree more. Mani and LG teamed up big time and got in Prince's head. They both had their own gains involved, which P couldn't see at the time. I heard he left the religion towards the end.

I think Mayte needed to step up and fight for him. I would have been wherever he was. If he wasn't in Spain, I wouldn't be in Spain. She also could have opened her mind up and gone to the JW meetings, for no other reason than to see what it is that was taking up so much of his attention. That would show that you're a supportive wife. Boycotting it altogether backs a man into a corner and made it easier for LG/Mani.

It would have been impossible for me to stay that far apart from my man with similar shenanigans going on. Idk maybe she wanted him to want her wholly on his own, or she didn't want to appear desperate, or she thought absence would make the heart grow fonder. shrug

Also, I did want to add that she did in fact go to some of the JW meetings, etc and while she wasn't into it she also did not object initially to his interest in it either.

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Reply #1556 posted 04/28/17 6:18am

NickiStarr

Prince didn't want people in his business. What was he supposed to say 'things are on the rocks'? It's a magazine article so of course he said everything was wonderful. As for Mani- once Prince got Mayte to sign the annullment, I bet she was happy- 'I'm not messing with a married man, etc.' Let's face it, P probably got it annulled for the same reason. He had a moral compass and didn't want to see himself as a cheater. The annullment helped him sleep at night...

sonshine said:

Lovejunky said:

Something must have really upset him...

becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?

but then again

he Did BURN people...so

But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..

and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...

and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..

THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...

I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....

Meh, I still think it was done just for "show". He was making a statement for the benefit of his new love interest. I'm sure Mani read the magazine article too and probably saw his comments about Mayte so in order to not lose her he had to prove he was truly done with wife #1. The man was creative for sure in all ways.

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Reply #1557 posted 04/28/17 6:47am

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annalizer said:

Lovejunky said:

Something must have really upset him...

becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?

but then again

he Did BURN people...so

But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..

and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...

and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..

THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...

I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....

It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing. [Edited 4/27/17 7:24am]

He got away with his behavior because he was the boss. Plain and simple. You know that he learned something from exhaustion? Do you even realize how that comes across?

Once again have you ever been in a relationship with a man. Guys do not go around burning shit unless something bad as gone down. I still think Mayte got tired of his crap and ran off with some other dude which to be fair leaving your wife in another country and having a mistress back home is bound to cause this to happen.

He made the stituation and then could not handle it when he got a taste of his own medince.

There are two sides two every story and we are never going to hear about what Mayte did wrong because that is not going to sell books.

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Reply #1558 posted 04/28/17 7:08am

MMJas

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laurarichardson said:

annalizer said:

Lovejunky said: It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing. [Edited 4/27/17 7:24am]

He got away with his behavior because he was the boss. Plain and simple. You know that he learned something from exhaustion? Do you even realize how that comes across?

Once again have you ever been in a relationship with a man. Guys do not go around burning shit unless something bad as gone down. I still think Mayte got tired of his crap and ran off with some other dude which to be fair leaving your wife in another country and having a mistress back home is bound to cause this to happen.

He made the stituation and then could not handle it when he got a taste of his own medince.

There are two sides two every story and we are never going to hear about what Mayte did wrong because that is not going to sell books.

I have to agree with you, Laura, that something serious must have happened for him to have that kind of behaviour. It does seem quite an extreme... reaction. I think this is the correct word: reaction.

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Reply #1559 posted 04/28/17 7:16am

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

He got away with his behavior because he was the boss. Plain and simple. You know that he learned something from exhaustion? Do you even realize how that comes across?

Once again have you ever been in a relationship with a man. Guys do not go around burning shit unless something bad as gone down. I still think Mayte got tired of his crap and ran off with some other dude which to be fair leaving your wife in another country and having a mistress back home is bound to cause this to happen.

He made the stituation and then could not handle it when he got a taste of his own medince.

There are two sides two every story and we are never going to hear about what Mayte did wrong because that is not going to sell books.

I have to agree with you, Laura, that something serious must have happened for him to have that kind of behaviour. It does seem quite an extreme... reaction. I think this is the correct word: reaction.

It is a reaction. What was his reactio to M2 filing for divorce. Knocking two homes to the ground and now I think that may have been a reaction to something going on between M2 and Eric the whole Smitty Boykin $50k loan is very weird.

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