laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said: She was a whore, Laura, a big fat whore. You happy now?

Are you happy because I never said she was a whore. In fact if she did run around with that guy more power to her. Prince was running around with M2 and according to her loads of other women.

She knew he was a manwhore when she worked for him. Anyone would get tired of the double standard.

I just think she should be honest about it and I still say she should have went back to Minn and beat M2's ass. She looks likes Sue Sauagehead being friends with that hooker.

Yeah I would have faught M2 to keep my man - that is if I still wanted him. I would have left Spain not caring whether stuff was taken care of or not. My 1st move in Minneapolis would have been to fire M2 behind P's back. If that didn't work, I would have started to slash her tires everytime she had her azz at PP. If that did not get rid of her, I would just grab her azz and beat the sht out of her inside PP. Yeah, it would have been in all the tabloids.

laurarichardson said:

In the divorce file with M2 he told her he did not burn up her stuff because he had no ill will toward her meaning he had ill will toward M1 thus the reason he burned her stuff.

One of the asshole reporters from the Tribune put a screen shot of the e-mails on her twitter which how I read this exchange.

We are discussing the book Laura, your comment is not about the book. Move your discussion to another thread.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

And that all may very well be true...and anyone and everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion regarding the events that Mayte tells about in the book, however, she said she didn't cheat on P, P said she didn't cheat on him...and other than media saying Mayte was "seen" with some guy in Spain, there is no evidence to support the assumption that she might've cheated other than having been seen in public with some guy.

So unless someone can prove that it happened...it didn't happen. Despite whomever it may or may not make sense to...if it can't be proven, it didn't happen.

Just sayin

I said that is what the rumors were and I also told you what Carmen said about what he did when he thought she was seeing someone else. I believe he thought she was seeing that dancer. I never said it was true but dude's do not burn up shit for no reason. He was pissed at her for something and it was not just because she did not want to be a JW. I really wonder if some of you have ever been in an adult realationship with a man.

Guys do things a certain way especially brothers. There is a whole contingent of people on this board who keep thinking Prince was Sammy Lunchment. He was not going to tolerate the idea of her being with another man. Now you can live in La La land with Mayte if that is were you want to reside but I live in the real world.

Let's keep in mind that in the book, Mayte tells of the time that she 1st went on tour and she had breakfast with a guy from the band and P made a big stink about it to the point that everyone kept her at a distance afterwards. He behaved that way and they were not in a relationship then. So maybe just her being seen with another guy sent him off the deepend again.

Misslink88 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I think it was a mistake for her to include the burning incident in her book, as she did not know for a fact it happened, and it is the worst thing she said about prince. If she had said prince removed everything that reminded him of the baby, I think it would have been received better, as for her stuff, people get rid of ex lovers stuff in all types of dramatic ways, I don't think anyone would care. As for the babies ashes, it is illogical to burn ashes as they will only turn into ashes, people scatter ashes everywhere no one would have had a problem with him doing that either, except for the fact that he did not get her permission. For me the biggest problem regarding this part of the book is that mayte to this day does not know for sure what happened to her baby. She had every right and 20 years to sue prince for custody if she really wanted to know, but she didn't, so she should have just not included any of this stuff.

Totally agree with you on that one. Unnecessary information, not confirmed, that shed him in a bad light again. She wasn't working on any "projects" in Spain as far as I'm aware (if so, anyone feel free to please post a link as she did not talk about anything like that in the book). She'd done with Kamasutra, and she went there hoping they'd "find each other". She also wrote she and P didn't want a dysfunctional family, so whatever her parents did that was dysfunctional wouldn't have worked - and she knew that because she wrote about what P said of her father when she'd told him about his bringing a gf to one of her jobs. The basketball fight is another thing that doesn't make sense. She writes she was too tired to go. She wrote she was too tired a couple of times in her book. She had no job and no kids. What was she always so tired from???

Depression will make you feel tired all the time. She had went through a lot in only a couple of years, so I get that.

He wasn't intimate with Mani at the time he wrote it. Although, he was probably courting her.

LBrent said:

I was playing the New Power Soul album and decided to look it up at PrinceVault to see the info I don't remember from when it first came out.

It came out in June 1998.

And I almost choked on my coffee when I read the Thanks in the liner notes.

Thanks

"TheNewPowerGeneration would like 2 praise God/Love/Truth 4 universal knowledge and preservation in the face of mendacity... thank u 4 everexpanding clarity. Chaka Khan, Larry Graham, Doug E. Fresh, Hornheadz and Kat Dyson: your contributions b da bomb... peace, at least! NPG Records thanx - , Mayte, Jacqui Thompson, Willie Donwell, Parke, Billy Sparks, Opnmind, Milv, Evolve2001, Manuella T. and Love4Oneanother Charities, Inc.. NPG Records is owned and operated by the New Power Generation. A word 2 all up and coming "artists" - the art u create is an xtension of u and your contribution is priceless. Don't sell out. $ is only paper and your picture ain't on it, but a good song never dies. Much respect 2 the husbands and midwives and husbands - Chaka Khan, Larry Graham, Kirk Johnson 4 the drum and synth programs, Doug E. Fresh and the Hornheadz."

Wow, that's really nervy of P to do that. Honestly.

tmo1965 said:

Misslink88 said:

Totally agree with you on that one. Unnecessary information, not confirmed, that shed him in a bad light again. She wasn't working on any "projects" in Spain as far as I'm aware (if so, anyone feel free to please post a link as she did not talk about anything like that in the book). She'd done with Kamasutra, and she went there hoping they'd "find each other". She also wrote she and P didn't want a dysfunctional family, so whatever her parents did that was dysfunctional wouldn't have worked - and she knew that because she wrote about what P said of her father when she'd told him about his bringing a gf to one of her jobs. The basketball fight is another thing that doesn't make sense. She writes she was too tired to go. She wrote she was too tired a couple of times in her book. She had no job and no kids. What was she always so tired from???

Depression will make you feel tired all the time. She had went through a lot in only a couple of years, so I get that.

Yes it will, if that is what it was, but she wrote she stayed at home while she was reported attending parties in the press at the time. And I understand "bouts" of depression coming and going. She also wrote he wanted the divorce but she was the one who got one. There isn't much closure in the Afterward either. Can't be bothered to fire up the Kindle ATM, but I remember coming away with a sense of ???. Human beings try to find meaning in "events". That's what we're all doing on this thread, yet what I've read is that P was to blame for EVERYTHING. There hasn't been much understanding of his losses and his coping mechanisms. It's her narrative, colored by her perceptions and interpretations, and she had absolute control over what to say and what not to say. P said many times he was misunderstood or not written about properly - I think in 2015 he discussed Susannah Melvoin taking credit for "The Beautiful Ones" (as inspiration) when he pointed out "You weren't even there. What makes you think this song is about you?". So, this is ONE perspective, from ONE person who was in his life for a very brief period of time. It's not the be all and end all of who P was or became.

tmo1965 said:

Misslink88 said:

Totally agree with you on that one. Unnecessary information, not confirmed, that shed him in a bad light again. She wasn't working on any "projects" in Spain as far as I'm aware (if so, anyone feel free to please post a link as she did not talk about anything like that in the book). She'd done with Kamasutra, and she went there hoping they'd "find each other". She also wrote she and P didn't want a dysfunctional family, so whatever her parents did that was dysfunctional wouldn't have worked - and she knew that because she wrote about what P said of her father when she'd told him about his bringing a gf to one of her jobs. The basketball fight is another thing that doesn't make sense. She writes she was too tired to go. She wrote she was too tired a couple of times in her book. She had no job and no kids. What was she always so tired from???

Depression will make you feel tired all the time. She had went through a lot in only a couple of years, so I get that.

Then she should have got some professional help. He was such an high energy person I cannot imagine him understanding what was going on with her. Sometimes as a spouse you do have to do things you do not want to do. Cannot have your way all the time.

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

I said that is what the rumors were and I also told you what Carmen said about what he did when he thought she was seeing someone else. I believe he thought she was seeing that dancer. I never said it was true but dude's do not burn up shit for no reason. He was pissed at her for something and it was not just because she did not want to be a JW. I really wonder if some of you have ever been in an adult realationship with a man.

Guys do things a certain way especially brothers. There is a whole contingent of people on this board who keep thinking Prince was Sammy Lunchment. He was not going to tolerate the idea of her being with another man. Now you can live in La La land with Mayte if that is were you want to reside but I live in the real world.

Let's keep in mind that in the book, Mayte tells of the time that she 1st went on tour and she had breakfast with a guy from the band and P made a big stink about it to the point that everyone kept her at a distance afterwards. He behaved that way and they were not in a relationship then. So maybe just her being seen with another guy sent him off the deepend again.

Thank you. Stories that he flipped out on Vanity because she went out with Adam Ant and danced with Mickey Free.

Sheila E talks about him being angry with her being in Krush Grove because love scenes with Blair Underwood and she had to talk ti director into taking them out because he was calling her everyday from France telling her to get those scenes out of the film.

He was crazy jealous.

The end of the book was hard to read. My heart was heavy. I tried to read between the lines, though. Mayte wrote this book in hindsight, which is 20/20, but also runs the risk of being self-objective. She portrays herself as heartbroken, which I think she was, BUT judging from her actions, she made some choices that contributed to their demise.

Marbella House: she rushed to buy and move in without P joining her and giving an official stamp of approval. This can be seen as a manipulation.

Manuella: She sat back and allowed her husband privacy with this woman by continuously travelling away from him to go to Spain, Miami, New York, etc.

I wonder if Mayte was enjoying adult life and being lazy and careless in a way? I'm not criticizing her, but if you think of her life, she never had time to breathe and take herself in. This Marbella house was the first time she lived away from her parents and Prince. It was kind of like her college. So...she may not write about the parties and fun times she had in Spain but I'd be surprised if she didn't have her share of good times.

I know she was still into Prince and her marriage, but some of her actions seemed a little passive. Overall in their entire marriage, she played the passive role of a wife who doesn't ask questions. When he asked her to toss the pills in the toilet, there would have been a SERIOUS conversation about what happened. There would be no one living in MY guesthouse without a conversation first. There would be no moving in a house overseas without my husband being there with me. There would be no one way phone calls.

Marriage isn't about control, but about making each other better. While I LOVE the photos of Mayte and Prince and their love story, etc. I don't feel that she did anything to help make him better. I don't think anyone did. Everyone allowed him to intimate them instead of sacrificing their job, relationship, whatever and really having hard conversations with him. The people who I respect the most are the ones who walked away from him rather than watch him wither away into the abyss of YES MEN.

I miss him dearly but I think he must have been exhausted with all of the YES MEN around him, the people who relied on him for their livelyhood, and the plethora of people who wanted something from him.

Just my opinion.

[Edited 4/18/17 12:17pm]

LBrent said:

tmo1965 said:

PennyPurple,

Thank you, thank you, thank you SO much for this fabulous conversation! I've stayed away from the org for many months because of how toxic most conversations become. I would end up feeling worse after spending time here than before logging on.

These book club posts are respectful of other ideas and opinions, and I love that people are considering opinions they might ordinarily not agree with!

I'm enjoying the org for the first time! Keep up the great work!

I don't think M1 fighting M2 would have done any good. P seemed to always look for extracurricular activity ...

silentdaisy said:

PennyPurple,

Thank you, thank you, thank you SO much for this fabulous conversation! I've stayed away from the org for many months because of how toxic most conversations become. I would end up feeling worse after spending time here than before logging on.

These book club posts are respectful of other ideas and opinions, and I love that people are considering opinions they might ordinarily not agree with!

I'm enjoying the org for the first time! Keep up the great work!

You are welcome. Please feel free to participate. We are almost done with the book though.

Ottensen said:

tmo1965 said:

laurarichardson said:

moonsister said:

laurarichardson said: She was a whore, Laura, a big fat whore. You happy now?

Are you happy because I never said she was a whore. In fact if she did run around with that guy more power to her. Prince was running around with M2 and according to her loads of other women.

She knew he was a manwhore when she worked for him. Anyone would get tired of the double standard.

I just think she should be honest about it and I still say she should have went back to Minn and beat M2's ass. She looks likes Sue Sauagehead being friends with that hooker.

Yeah I would have faught M2 to keep my man - that is if I still wanted him. I would have left Spain not caring whether stuff was taken care of or not. My 1st move in Minneapolis would have been to fire M2 behind P's back. If that didn't work, I would have started to slash her tires everytime she had her azz at PP. If that did not get rid of her, I would just grab her azz and beat the sht out of her inside PP. Yeah, it would have been in all the tabloids.

Honeychile, men know exactly which women they can try . I think we got a few of us out here that when it comes to marriage and committed relationships, um, yeah, but no. We're not playing that.

Thanks Penny,

I'd already finished reading the book when I started following this thread a few days ago, so I've just been enjoying other people's persepctives.

I'm reading a lot of understanding about Mayte's state of mind and I think it's great so many people are tying to understand her, whether they agree with her actions or not.

I think a lot of posts have alluded to this, but for people who are posting comments about "why didn't she just get professional help" or other similar thoughts I wanted to add my two cents:

When she first met Prince Mayte was only 16 and very sheltered. She writes that she didn't socialize a lot in school and focused most of her time on dance. She also discusses a very dominant, controlling mother and what sounds like an unhealthy home life. I know what that kind of childhood is like, so I can completely relate to a lot of Mayte's decisions and thought process, to the point that I didn't even see a lot of what she does as unusual, because I can see myself doing the same in her situation.

As a sheltered, controlled 16 yr. old you don't think of an authority figure's decisions as odd or wrong. If an international superstar like Prince told her "hypnosis" was a superior way to share intimate thoughts and feelingings I can completely understand that she'd take all that at face value and share those beliefs. If he told her to go to Spain and find a home for them to retreat to in order to rebuild their marriage, you can bet she took that at face value too. Then when she realized that he had no intention of living there with her and that he was back in the States playing around on her, it makes perfect sense to me that the only reaction that made sense to her was to feel helpless and hope to change his mind. A person who has spent the majority of their lives complying with a dominant person's whims will not even consider standing up for themselves by being confrontational. I would have felt just as helpless, watching my world and future fall apart. Combine that with the horrible grief of Amiir, of course she fell into a deep depression. All makes perfect sense to me.

NickiStarr said:

The end of the book was hard to read. My heart was heavy. I tried to read between the lines, though. Mayte wrote this book in hindsight, which is 20/20, but also runs the risk of being self-objective. She portrays herself as heartbroken, which I think she was, BUT judging from her actions, she made some choices that contributed to their demise.

Marbella House: she rushed to buy and move in without P joining her and giving an official stamp of approval. This can be seen as a manipulation.

Manuella: She sat back and allowed her husband privacy with this woman by continuously travelling away from him to go to Spain, Miami, New York, etc.

I wonder if Mayte was enjoying adult life and being lazy and careless in a way? I'm not criticizing her, but if you think of her life, she never had time to breathe and take herself in. This Marbella house was the first time she lived away from her parents and Prince. It was kind of like her college. So...she may not write about the parties and fun times she had in Spain but I'd be surprised if she didn't have her share of good times.

I know she was still into Prince and her marriage, but some of her actions seemed a little passive. Overall in their entire marriage, she played the passive role of a wife who doesn't ask questions. When he asked her to toss the pills in the toilet, there would have been a SERIOUS conversation about what happened. There would be no one living in MY guesthouse without a conversation first. There would be no moving in a house overseas without my husband being there with me. There would be no one way phone calls.

Marriage isn't about control, but about making each other better. While I LOVE the photos of Mayte and Prince and their love story, etc. I don't feel that she did anything to help make him better. I don't think anyone did. Everyone allowed him to intimate them instead of sacrificing their job, relationship, whatever and really having hard conversations with him. The people who I respect the most are the ones who walked away from him rather than watch him wither away into the abyss of YES MEN.

I miss him dearly but I think he must have been exhausted with all of the YES MEN around him, the people who relied on him for their livelyhood, and the plethora of people who wanted something from him.

Just my opinion.

[Edited 4/18/17 12:17pm]

Thanks for sharing that, NickiStar. Those are some of my own thoughts. If you don't take action or are not accountable for your actions, how can you blame anyone?? Even no choice is a choice: you let others decide what will happen to you. She did say, many times in interviews, "you can't help but have a good time in this house", so I don't think it was a mortuary for her. She's 25, married to an international rock star, the world is at her feet and she can do what she wants. Of course she's going to test the boundaries. That's how you learn. But, again, she never went there in the book. And she was a "yes" person as well, when it was convenient for her to be so. For years we've heard "he controlled everything she did right down to what she wore" and then she talks about all the shopping trips she did and how he would take her clothing that she bought. People need to read the book 2 or 3 times. First, for the surface story; secondly to try to understand the sequence of events as portrayed; and thirdly, to sort out the confusing remarks (she's "starving" and penniless while on tour but is riding on his bus and staying in his hotel room with all the perks); she's "exhausted" from her 3 song, 15 minute performance during that tour - just things like that. The book is loaded with those kinds of remarks, so much so, I'm thinking of starting a thread of all the contradictions she wrote about.

I should point out one thing - I back tracked the date (using the info in her book) for the pills incident in the hotel in LA. Checking on his touring schedule, although he was in CA at the time, he had NO concerts in LA.

moonsister said:

JudasLChrist said:

Not really. The assistant guy told me a bunch of stuff, but that's all I remember about Mayte... I think he went to Hawaii with them.

He also had a bunch of stories about Cat and Prince, which my memory isn't really helping with, cause I don't think he was at Paisley during SOTT/Lovesexy time. So, I'm a bit confused about that...

The stories about Cat and Prince, did they make you think they were lovers?

Um, yes... They were about Cat and Prince fucking on one of those big double decker planes. Prince had the upstairs to himself and he had a bed up there, and Cat and Prince would just bone... again I don't know how he knew that story... Perhaps I'm confusing Cat with Mayte? I dunno.

JudasLChrist said:

moonsister said:

1Sasha said:

I don't think M1 fighting M2 would have done any good. P seemed to always look for extracurricular activity ...

That is true, but that does not mean that I have to make it easy for him.

NickiStarr said:

The end of the book was hard to read. My heart was heavy. I tried to read between the lines, though. Mayte wrote this book in hindsight, which is 20/20, but also runs the risk of being self-objective. She portrays herself as heartbroken, which I think she was, BUT judging from her actions, she made some choices that contributed to their demise.

Marbella House: she rushed to buy and move in without P joining her and giving an official stamp of approval. This can be seen as a manipulation.

Manuella: She sat back and allowed her husband privacy with this woman by continuously travelling away from him to go to Spain, Miami, New York, etc.

I wonder if Mayte was enjoying adult life and being lazy and careless in a way? I'm not criticizing her, but if you think of her life, she never had time to breathe and take herself in. This Marbella house was the first time she lived away from her parents and Prince. It was kind of like her college. So...she may not write about the parties and fun times she had in Spain but I'd be surprised if she didn't have her share of good times.

I know she was still into Prince and her marriage, but some of her actions seemed a little passive. Overall in their entire marriage, she played the passive role of a wife who doesn't ask questions. When he asked her to toss the pills in the toilet, there would have been a SERIOUS conversation about what happened. There would be no one living in MY guesthouse without a conversation first. There would be no moving in a house overseas without my husband being there with me. There would be no one way phone calls.

Marriage isn't about control, but about making each other better. While I LOVE the photos of Mayte and Prince and their love story, etc. I don't feel that she did anything to help make him better. I don't think anyone did. Everyone allowed him to intimate them instead of sacrificing their job, relationship, whatever and really having hard conversations with him. The people who I respect the most are the ones who walked away from him rather than watch him wither away into the abyss of YES MEN.

I miss him dearly but I think he must have been exhausted with all of the YES MEN around him, the people who relied on him for their livelyhood, and the plethora of people who wanted something from him.

Just my opinion.

[Edited 4/18/17 12:17pm]

When I read your last two paragraphs my thoughts drifted to back in the day when Big Chick left Prince and sold stories to the tabloids about how wierd, lonely and out-of-touch with others Prince was. I was often struck that Prince still kept him on the payroll for a while, let him know he could come back to his job and held a fundraiser for his fam after Big Chick passed. Maybe it was because Big Chick was telling the truth, wasn't intimidated by Prince and as you wrote, "walked away from him rather than watch him wither away into the abyss of YES MEN." In my mind, this raises the tragic possibility that Prince could have been reached with some balls-to-the-walls tough love...a possibility that is relevant to this thread which touches on the unspooling of his marriage and his mental state re the loss of Amiir (as well as the thread dealing with his death and the release of the search warrents.) Perhaps we should not be assuming that he could not be confronted with the truth. Perhaps, and this is the worst possibility imaginable, there was no one around him who loved him enough to fight to save him.

silentdaisy said:

PennyPurple,

Thank you, thank you, thank you SO much for this fabulous conversation! I've stayed away from the org for many months because of how toxic most conversations become. I would end up feeling worse after spending time here than before logging on.

These book club posts are respectful of other ideas and opinions, and I love that people are considering opinions they might ordinarily not agree with!

I'm enjoying the org for the first time! Keep up the great work!

YES, PennyPurple, I SO appreciate your time and efforts...this thread has been so informative, comforting and healing. Blessings.

1Sasha said:

tmo1965 said:

Yeah I would have faught M2 to keep my man - that is if I still wanted him. I would have left Spain not caring whether stuff was taken care of or not. My 1st move in Minneapolis would have been to fire M2 behind P's back. If that didn't work, I would have started to slash her tires everytime she had her azz at PP. If that did not get rid of her, I would just grab her azz and beat the sht out of her inside PP. Yeah, it would have been in all the tabloids.

Like the beatdown Lionel Ritchie and his jumpoff got from Brenda back in the day, gurl!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

NickiStarr said:

Marbella House: she rushed to buy and move in without P joining her and giving an official stamp of approval. This can be seen as a manipulation.

In the book Mayte tells how P went through catalog after catalog of houses before picking the house then telling her to go to Spain to set everything up.

She went and he hadn't arranged the money for her to secure the house yet so she asked if the took AMEX, they said No. The money took a few days to arrive into the account to buy the house.