206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

LBrent said:

Hello, everyone.

I just finished reading this book, and like most of you I have alot of emotions, about what Mayte has shared. But I have come to this conclusion, that we only know half the story about their marriage. Without Prince's side of the story, it is not a whole truth so to speak. A good friend of mine once said about relationships, there is her side of the story, his side of the story and the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two sides. Althought this is the case, I still enjoyed the book immensely.

kmama07 said:

LBrent said:

I've mentioned this before after 4/21, but no one wanted to hear it.

I hate to tellya, and I'm sure there will be plenty to argue this but...Epilepsy doesn't just "go away".

Seizures may be controlled and there may be periods, sometimes extended periods, where there are no noticably seizures...but keep in mind, not all seizures are the dramatic grand mal thrashing around type you see in movies. More people have petit mal seizures, which can be mild to watch, sometimes simply rapid eye blinking or a blank stare that lasts from a few seconds to a few minutes. Some people go unresponsive, some pass out, some don't. Most don't remember the incident afterwards, some do remember.

Think about times when P was described as staring blankly or acting loopy...common petit mal seizure activity as reported by someone unfamiliar with what they are witnessing. Judith Hill mentions P staring blankly on the plane then going unresponsive.

If you read in the comments at the link below you'll see epileptic patients talking about their seizures, including vomiting.

Here's a link: http://www.epilepsy.com/l...e-seizures

But most epileptics have what is known as an "aura". That is a something that comes over them that tells them ahead that a seizure is coming. It's not unusual to hear a sound or get a certain feeling that warns them. I'm wondering if P recognized his aura and avoided folks when he got it so he could hide his seizures for so long.

I don't disagree but HOW did he avoid having a seizure for 3 decades on stage or in the arms of one of his many lovers? You would think by now, someone would have seen something. How do you excuse yourself and leave the room for a moment in the middle of making love?

danzakairos said:

Hello, everyone.

I just finished reading this book, and like most of you I have alot of emotions, about what Mayte has shared. But I have come to this conclusion, that we only know half the story about their marriage. Without Prince's side of the story, it is not a whole truth so to speak. A good friend of mine once said about relationships, there is her side of the story, his side of the story and the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two sides. Althought this is the case, I still enjoyed the book immensely.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

kmama07 said:

LBrent said:

I don't disagree but HOW did he avoid having a seizure for 3 decades on stage or in the arms of one of his many lovers? You would think by now, someone would have seen something. How do you excuse yourself and leave the room for a moment in the middle of making love?

Lol

Seizures can be controlled. After 4/21 some of the medication found in P's possessions were consistant with older seizure medications. Diet, exercize and other things factor into seizures as a whole complex medical condition, but I suspect he was taking meds for the seizures.

What may happen though is folks feel better and think they can discontinue their meds at some point. That and after a certain weight gain or loss the dosages should be adjusted and folks can have "breakthrough" seizures due to not being on the correct dosage.

I think, like most folks, he mostly took his seizure meds and only occassionally had either breakthrough seizures or he mith've sometimes not taken the meds at all for periods of time.

He might have ended up having a couple of seizures a year and none for years then several in a short period of time. It's impossible to know without knowing his medical history though.

The important thing I wanted to point out is that folks right in his world could've seen him have seizures and not even realize what they were seeing because they weren't the big dramatic thrashing around type; Grand Mal. They were the very short subtle type; Petit Mal, which could be mistaken for someone simply not paying attention or being immersed in deep thought.

Some real streaks of cruelty can been seen in Prince's romantic life. This is how former girlfriend Nona Gaye described how he engineered the breakup:

The singer/songwriter was 16 years older than Gaye when he suggested that the couple would be married. He then turned around and proposed to his later wife, Mayte Garcia, breaking the heart of Gaye.


Nona discussed the relationship, by saying "I never really knew him, and I never let him really know me. I tried to be this woman I thought he wanted - very passive, letting him lead. He told a friend of mine he was going to marry me and take care of me. I knew I wouldn't get anything better than that from him, so I believed it."

"After that we were in New York, and he asked me to come see his show. Mayte, one of his dancers, flashed the engagement ring he'd given her from the stage. When I asked him about it afterwards, he was very evasive and defensive. I haven't spoken to him since. It upsets me that we ended things that way, because at one point he was really, really important to me."

80tomato said:

What was the meaning of "tube socks' password between Mayte and Manuela.I am old enough to have worn them back in the day and I know they are making a resurgence ,but did Prince have an affinity for them

Oh 80toamto, I wondered the same thing myself. I wonder if she would answer us if we asked. ~~DD55

Identity said:

Some real streaks of cruelty can been seen in Prince's romantic life. This is how former girlfriend Nona Gaye described how he engineered the breakup:

The singer/songwriter was 16 years older than Gaye when he suggested that the couple would be married. He then turned around and proposed to his later wife, Mayte Garcia, breaking the heart of Gaye.


Nona discussed the relationship, by saying "I never really knew him, and I never let him really know me. I tried to be this woman I thought he wanted - very passive, letting him lead. He told a friend of mine he was going to marry me and take care of me. I knew I wouldn't get anything better than that from him, so I believed it."

"After that we were in New York, and he asked me to come see his show. Mayte, one of his dancers, flashed the engagement ring he'd given her from the stage. When I asked him about it afterwards, he was very evasive and defensive. I haven't spoken to him since. It upsets me that we ended things that way, because at one point he was really, really important to me."

That wasn't in the book. We're discussing the book and the events in the book.

Yeah, yeah. I know it's not in the book, it's Nona's story. Trying to add some perspective here.

LBrent said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

I don't disagree but HOW did he avoid having a seizure for 3 decades on stage or in the arms of one of his many lovers? You would think by now, someone would have seen something. How do you excuse yourself and leave the room for a moment in the middle of making love?

Lol

Seizures can be controlled. After 4/21 some of the medication found in P's possessions were consistant with older seizure medications. Diet, exercize and other things factor into seizures as a whole complex medical condition, but I suspect he was taking meds for the seizures.

What may happen though is folks feel better and think they can discontinue their meds at some point. That and after a certain weight gain or loss the dosages should be adjusted and folks can have "breakthrough" seizures due to not being on the correct dosage.

I think, like most folks, he mostly took his seizure meds and only occassionally had either breakthrough seizures or he mith've sometimes not taken the meds at all for periods of time.

He might have ended up having a couple of seizures a year and none for years then several in a short period of time. It's impossible to know without knowing his medical history though.

The important thing I wanted to point out is that folks right in his world could've seen him have seizures and not even realize what they were seeing because they weren't the big dramatic thrashing around type; Grand Mal. They were the very short subtle type; Petit Mal, which could be mistaken for someone simply not paying attention or being immersed in deep thought.

Thank you LBrent for the elucidation; it gives me a better understanding of what probably unfolded through the years.

80tomato said:

What was the meaning of "tube socks' password between Mayte and Manuela.I am old enough to have worn them back in the day and I know they are making a resurgence ,but did Prince have an affinity for them

We can only guess becasue as Mayte said..Only some one who truly knows him would know...

M

Identity said:

Yeah, yeah. I know it's not in the book, it's Nona's story. Trying to add some perspective here.

Kindly may I ask this another way. We're on Chapter 12, please share your thohghts on that chpater for disucssion. thanks!

Lovejunky said:

80tomato said:

What was the meaning of "tube socks' password between Mayte and Manuela.I am old enough to have worn them back in the day and I know they are making a resurgence ,but did Prince have an affinity for them

We can only guess becasue as Mayte said..Only some one who truly knows him would know...

M

Looks like he's wearing tube socks in this pic.
Maybe he was fond of wearing tube socks in bed.

danzakairos said:

Hello, everyone.

I just finished reading this book, and like most of you I have alot of emotions, about what Mayte has shared. But I have come to this conclusion, that we only know half the story about their marriage. Without Prince's side of the story, it is not a whole truth so to speak. A good friend of mine once said about relationships, there is her side of the story, his side of the story and the truth is somewhere in the middle of the two sides. Althought this is the case, I still enjoyed the book immensely.

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Identity said:

Some real streaks of cruelty can been seen in Prince's romantic life. This is how former girlfriend Nona Gaye described how he engineered the breakup:

The singer/songwriter was 16 years older than Gaye when he suggested that the couple would be married. He then turned around and proposed to his later wife, Mayte Garcia, breaking the heart of Gaye.


Nona discussed the relationship, by saying "I never really knew him, and I never let him really know me. I tried to be this woman I thought he wanted - very passive, letting him lead. He told a friend of mine he was going to marry me and take care of me. I knew I wouldn't get anything better than that from him, so I believed it."

"After that we were in New York, and he asked me to come see his show. Mayte, one of his dancers, flashed the engagement ring he'd given her from the stage. When I asked him about it afterwards, he was very evasive and defensive. I haven't spoken to him since. It upsets me that we ended things that way, because at one point he was really, really important to me."

Do you have the original source, e.g. the interview? If so, could you provide a link?

Do you have the original source, e.g. the interview? If so, could you provide a link?

Here you go...

http://www.contactmusic.c...e-betrayal

kmama07 said:

206Michelle said:

Do you have the original source, e.g. the interview? If so, could you provide a link?

http://bit.ly/2olbpug

http://bit.ly/2p95spq

SheLovesMeNot said:

moonsister said:

sonshine said:

Some thoughts at the end of it all: Why on earth did she stay in Spain when she knew what he and Mani were up to back in MN? She was much too trusting and it was used against her. I can't imagine how painful it was to hear he was marrying mani. Crushing! Gosh I dislike m2 so much for having such utter disrespect for another woman and her marriage. The mental anguish alone she must have caused I mean who does that and can sleep peacefully?? Ugh. Add the whole religious twist and it makes her behavior incredibly calculated, insincere, and hypocritical to say the least. She is not involved with the JW anymore either if i recall so I don't find anything redeeming about her at all. The end. All that aside if I had been in Mayte's shoes there's no way I would have stayed in Spain under the circumstances and with everything she knew so I hate to say it but she sort of just sat back and let it happen. I also don't have anything against the JW faith. I still believe LG's role in all this was dubious. I have a problem with the individual not the faith. All in all a good book that gave me a lot of perspective about a specific time in his life. I appreciated her story and don't feel he's any less deserving of my love, respect, and admiration. He was human and as such had flaws. As we all do. They were just making their way the best they could with the hand they were dealt. She had accepted the way things turned out and that's good enough for me. As far as the "seizures" theory I don't think it was the case at all. I work with a woman who had a seizure disorder as a small child and she grew out of it. So it is possible for them to go away in some cases. I don't think it's realistic that he could have hidden such a disorder all those years and there is no way he could have been self medicating such a condition for all those years. Where would he get those meds without being under the care of a doctor for such? No way. [Edited 4/16/17 21:42pm]

Sunshine, your first paragraph, I totally agree with! Why did she stay in Spain? Especially when she knew Mani was scheming? She realized too late that she was no longer the girl in Minn.

moonsister said:

Her MS diagnosis was certainly a shocking moment in the book, I hadn't heard anything about that, even from the peeps here who said they had read a leaked copy of the book on the internet. And this may be a petty point but she never did say if Prince bought his things back from her. I think she did that a couple of times, bring something up then just leave us hanging.

DD55 said: