sonshine said:

LBrent said:

The estate may not even know exactly what happened to them or where they are.

But someone knows.

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I wish they had shown up in the vault. But he said he never looks back so that makes me think he did away with them one way or the other. I also believe that's why he never attempted to reunite with Mayte even tho I think at some point over the years, if only for a brief moment, he admitted to himself that he had made a mistake ending their marriage. He didn't like messy. He didn't like to look back plain and simple. It was too messy and painful to try to undo what had transpired. Truly sad. My heart is very heavy tonight. I must say for someone so young when this all happened Mayte has appeared to be very eloquent and genuine in her interviews.

I agree with everything you said, but all hope isn't lost.

I firmly believe that. Dunno why, but I do.

LBrent said:

sonshine said:

I edited my reply above. No, you are right that any fire to melt metal (or a body) would have to be incredible intense. More so than anyone could get away with in town.

Thank you for finding that out.

Heck, even if it was a glass vase type urn, that wouldn't incinerate easily.

Dammit, this pisses me off for her. I have family ashes and to think of someone keeping them from me for 20 years...I can't even.

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I love the man. But I cannot fathom why he would go to such extreme measures as burning the urn with his son's ashes (if that did indeed happen). I don't like that he had someone burn Amiir's crib, toys, clothes, books, and all of that. I find it very sad. (He could have donated those items to someone in need.) But I can give him a pass for burning those items.

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But the ashes, No. I cannot understand how you burn those. It's disturbing and wrong. Doesn't matter how painful the death was, you just don't desecrate human remains like that. Never ever ever. Especially not the remains of your (only) child.

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I know he didn't look back, but I wonder if he ever regretted burning the ashes. Did it ever knaw at his conscience? (While I don't wish bad things on people, I hope that it did bother him that the ashes were burned...because that was his beloved son.)

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I wonder --- Does Mayte have any photos of Amiir?

When she was married to , did she know that he'd had epilepsy as a kid?

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It sounds like the episode of passing out and vomiting that led to the stomach pumping (p. 195) could have been a seizure. If he continued to have seizures in adulthood, I can't really understand why he would try to pretend that the condition didn't exist. He didn't need to make the seizures/epilepsy public, but why go on record as saying you were cured of the seizures when you were a kid? Was he ashamed? Did he think that the seizures were a divine curse?

LBrent said:

sonshine said:

I wish they had shown up in the vault. But he said he never looks back so that makes me think he did away with them one way or the other. I also believe that's why he never attempted to reunite with Mayte even tho I think at some point over the years, if only for a brief moment, he admitted to himself that he had made a mistake ending their marriage. He didn't like messy. He didn't like to look back plain and simple. It was too messy and painful to try to undo what had transpired. Truly sad. My heart is very heavy tonight. I must say for someone so young when this all happened Mayte has appeared to be very eloquent and genuine in her interviews.

I agree with everything you said, but all hope isn't lost.

I firmly believe that. Dunno why, but I do.

I kind of feel hopeful about the ashes too, LBrent. I don't know why either...maybe it's just my love of Prince and the desire to believe that he wouldn't stoop so low as to have Amiir's ashes destroyed.

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

Thank you for finding that out.

Heck, even if it was a glass vase type urn, that wouldn't incinerate easily.

Dammit, this pisses me off for her. I have family ashes and to think of someone keeping them from me for 20 years...I can't even.

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I love the man. But I cannot fathom why he would go to such extreme measures as burning the urn with his son's ashes (if that did indeed happen). I don't like that he had someone burn Amiir's crib, toys, clothes, books, and all of that. I find it very sad. (He could have donated those items to someone in need.) But I can give him a pass for burning those items.

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But the ashes, No. I cannot understand how you burn those. It's disturbing and wrong. Doesn't matter how painful the death was, you just don't desecrate human remains like that. Never ever ever. Especially not the remains of your (only) child.

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I know he didn't look back, but I wonder if he ever regretted burning the ashes. Did it ever knaw at his conscience? (While I don't wish bad things on people, I hope that it did bother him that the ashes were burned...because that was his beloved son.)

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I wonder --- Does Mayte have any photos of Amiir?

Dunno. She didn't mention it.

When I was a young nurse working in NICU for the beginning of my career and we had...this type of thing happen...we would dress the baby in a small envelope type thingy that were made by a ladies group and donated to area hospitals for this purpose.

It was usually a white fabric, soft, and lace, to place the baby in to present to the parents to hold, possibly take pictures, and to rock and say goodbye if they wanted before...well, ya know...the funeral arrangements or whatever.

Anyway, it was called an "angel pocket" and some parents bury the baby in it, but in the case of cremation, some parents keep them cuz the baby's unique scent is in the fabric and the memory for the Mom is important cuz that's all they have of their baby.

Over those first few years as a nurse, I took many pictures and made many lil goodbye packages for parents who lost their medically fragile children because my supervisor believed that no Mom should ever go home empty handed...unless she chose to, of course, but none did.

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206Michelle said:

This is the only photo I've seen of Mayte and during her pregnancy. She mentions the BABY dresses in the book. I don't know what event they were attending.

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Source: http://purplepersuasion.t....com/?og=1 via https://www.pinterest.com...368789243/

There is a picture in the book of her and Prince. Prince is wearing a pinstripe suit. Not sure what event they're attending but that photo was taken in 1996 and she appears to have a baby bump in other photos I've seen of that night.

Not sure where I read it, somewhere on the org, but I'm pretty sure she said in a interview that she was not granted the ashes in the divorce.

CMSantos71 said:

Not sure where I read it, somewhere on the org, but I'm pretty sure she said in a interview that she was not granted the ashes in the divorce.

I thought that may have been a rumor. In the book she mentions asking again and again about the whereabouts of the ashes and not getting an answer. Her and Prince have talked since the divorce, which, would have been the opportune time to confirm what she heard about the urn/ashes. She doesn't indicate if a conversation about it between them ever occurred.

LBrent said:

sonshine said:

With all due respect, this is not necessarily true. Not all of these babies can be saved despite all the heroic measures in the world.

That's all for me tonight. I feel like I've been through the wringer. Very emotionally draining part of the book. Ouch.

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Oh, you're absolutely correct!

Please don't think I meant that ALL of these children survive and thrive, especially to be high functioning. Especially 20+ years ago...but if they had had more information, they might've felt comfortable moving forward with what are many many painful procedures but might've given Amiir a decent future.

This is what I found about the syndrome:

"In addition, infants with Pfeiffer syndrome type II often experience impaired mental development and neurological problems due to severe involvement of the brain, and/or hypoxia due to problems with breathing"

Causes

"Pfeiffer syndrome is an autosomal dominant genetic disorder. Dominant genetic disorders occur when only a single copy of an abnormal gene is necessary to cause a particular disease. The abnormal gene can be inherited from either parent or can be the result of a new mutation (gene change) in the affected individual. Essentially all cases of Pfeiffer syndrome type II and type III have resulted from new mutations. Advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk for new mutations for Pfeiffer syndrome. The risk of passing the abnormal gene from an affected parent to offspring is 50% for each pregnancy. The risk is the same for males and females."

The bolded makes me conclude that the baby did not inherit this but the gene mutation was probably caused by something in the environment. They could have had healthy children, perhaps this information was not known 21 years ago. There are 3 types of the syndrome, it is only type I that can be inherited from either parent.

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amethyst68 said:

http://www.fox5ny.com/goo...9272-video
At the 4:30 mark she starts talking about the ashes. She says when they were together she had them but when they divorced she didn't get them.

Chapter Nine Timeline/Summary: Part I

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This took me longer than usual to complete because so much of this chapter is so heartbreaking. It's another long chapter, and I will finish Part II later.

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Just to refresh everyone, at the end of chapter eight, it is February 14, 1996, and and Mayte have just gotten married in Minneapolis.

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Chapter Nine

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February 15, 1996 - and Mayte catch a flight to Hawaii for their honeymoon. The two of them are incredibly happy and madly in love. While riding in the limo to the hotel, and despite ’s best efforts to distract Mayte’s attention, she notices a billboard that says Feb 16, 17, 18. She is surprised that they will be working. and Mayte meet up with other members of the NPG at the Eurasia nightclub in Honolulu. and the NPG will be putting on performances at a small arean called the Blaisdell Center. Mayte and perform onstage together.

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mid-February 1996 – While in Hawaii, and Mayte sleep in late and then prepare for their performances. They rented a boat on one day. On another afternoon, they spend time with dolphins at an aquarium. and Mayte went to see a local band one evening and jammed with the band on stage. The two are fixated on whether or not Mayte could be pregnant. Someone from their entourage purchases a pregnancy test. The test is negative. They go to a clinic for a blood test, and the result is also negative.

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February 1996 – When and Mayte return to Paisley Park, they are busy with booking tour dates and shows. is working on the Emancipation album. The release of the soundtrack for the film Girl 6, including music from Prince, is going to happen in the near future. Mayte did a screen test for a film about Selena.

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Mayte states that once they were married, shared more with her about finances and sought more of her input in decisions. He also became uncomfortable with some of the skimpy outfits she wore during performances. She tells payroll that they can take her off of the payroll since she is now his wife.

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Around March 1996 – Mayte and make plans to see the Philharmonic and Alanis Morissette on the same evening. Mayte feels a strange sleepiness during the Philharmonic performance. Mayte thinks she is getting her period, but the episode piques ’s interest as a possible sign of pregnancy. When they return home from the performances, Mayte notices that her breasts look bigger. She calls a friend, and the friend purchases some pregnancy tests. The first pregnancy test is positive. She and confirm that test result with additional positive pregnancy tests. That same night, and Mayte go to urgent care for a pregnancy blood test. Mayte is indeed pregnant, and the couple is overjoyed. They call Mama.

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March/April 1996 – and Mayte begin making preparations for their new baby. Everything looks good at her first appointment with the obstetrician. After the appointment, Mayte goes to the pet store and buys a Yorkie that she names Mia.

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Around April 1996 – At the following prenatal appointment, there is a heartbeat. convinces the doctor to sell him the heart monitor. He uses the heart monitor to record a heartbeat and blends the heartbeat into the song “Sex in the Summer.”

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Around April 1996 – Sadly, Paisley the cat dies. and Mayte get a kitten and name her Isis.

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Mid 1996 – Mayte decides to go visit ’s father John Nelson at the Purple House. is estranged from and Mayte has never met him. They meet and engage in some brief conversation. John Nelson comes to Paisley Park a couple of weeks later for a visit. Up until Mayte visited him, John was not aware that his son had gotten married. Mayte states that she never saw John again.

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Mid 1996 – Not long after John visited them, ends up in the emergency room after he vomited and passed out on the floor. At the hospital, he had his stomach pumped. Once Mayte comes to see him, he is eager to leave the hospital. He tells his security person to take the medical records from the hospital. On the way home from the hospital, reassures Mayte that the incident was a mistake.

She says that incidents like this one were very few and far between, so she didn't suspect that anything was wrong with at the time.

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Mid 1996 – and Mayte continue making preparations for their new baby. They watch videos on caring for a baby and natural childbirth. Both of them read What to Expect When You’re Expecting. They watch the first ultrasound video numerous times. They did not want to know the baby’s sex, although Mayte suspected that it was a boy. had clothing made that celebrated their status as expectant parents.

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Mid 1996 – Mayte is tired and gains a lot of weight. During a hypnotic conversation, Mayte and choose the name Amiir for their baby.

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Mayte sets the record straight on reports of their son being named “Boy Gregory,” and explains that someone violated she and ’s privacy by trying to sell a photograph of their baby to a tabloid; on the baby’s incubator was the label “Boy Gregory.”

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She shares details about her pregnancy and their son that she’s never shared publicly. She states that Prince was very protective of their child, so she honored his wishes while he was alive and did not share much information about their son.

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May 1996 – and Mayte fly to New York for a premeire and celebrating with Mama and Jan on Mama's birthday. decides to head back to Minneapolis, not staying to celebrate Mama’s birthday. Later in the day, while in her hotel room, Mama notices that Mayte is bleeding. An ambulance takes Mayte to the hospital. The baby was alive, but there was a tear in the placenta.

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May 1996 – The next day, Mayte flies home to Minnesota. She immediately visits the obstetrician, who confirms a placental tear. The OB recommends amniocentesis. Due to there being a risk of the amniocentesis causing a miscarriage, refuses the procedure. Mayte was ambivalent, but did not question ’s decision to refuse the amniocentesis. When they arrive home, the couple prays for their child. Going forward, they pray every day for their child.

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Mid-1996 – Every night, the couple uses the heart monitor in order to hear Amiir’s heartbeat. is full of joy about the pregnancy and is involved in many aspects of preparing for their baby’s arrival.

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September 1996 – Mayte is 7 months pregnant. At an appointment, the OB tells that the baby may have dwarfism, which does not concern and Mayte. The OB recommends an amniocentesis again, and declines the procedure. The day after the appointment, Mayte has cramps and Mama convinces her to go to the hospital. The doctor determines that Mayte is having contractions and insists upon her staying in the hospital. insists that Mayte leave the hospital, against the doctor’s advice, causing and the doctor to have a confrontation. They leave the hospital, and Mayte begs to take her to another hospital. She checks into another hospital. Ultimately, agrees to allow Mayte to stay in the hospital. Mayte remains in the hospital. She describes positive interactions with a nurse whom she calls Angela. tries to be supportive, but is uncomfortable with her remaining in the hospital. He visits her daily except for a few days when he traveled to Japan to promote Emancipation.

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October 16, 1996 – Mayte gives birth during a scheduled C-section. is there supporting and comforting her through it all. When the doctors first remove Amiir from her body, she describes the joy that she saw on ’s face. ’s face then became terrified. Amiir was born with Pfeiffer Syndrome type 2. Nonetheless, Mayte and are overwhelmed with love for their son. Staff begin working on Amiir because he was not breathing. Once he is breathing, Mayte and hold their son for the first time. Mayte has to undergo surgery. remains with Amiir while Amiir undergoes numerous surgeries.

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Mid-October 1996 – Mayte describes as a loving husband and “protective Papa Bear” whose thoughts and actions reflected unconditional love for his son. She pumps breastmilk and continues to remain with Amiir through every surgery.

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Mid-October 1996 – Two days later, briefly goes home to take a shower. A staff person wheels down Mayte to visit her son. Although medical equipment was attached to every part of his body, she holds him. He had very soft skin. The joints of his fingers were fused, but he was able to grab a hold of her hand. When returned, he remains with Mayte and Amiir, and they share tender moments as a family.

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October 22, 1996 – After 6 days, Amiir is still very medically fragile and is struggling to breathe. The doctor recommends a tracheotomy, but Mayte sees that her son is suffering. tries to convince her to go along with having the procedure, but eventually, they both come to the conclusion that they have to make the heart-wrenching decision to let him go by authorozing the hospital to remove him from the ventilator. They agree on a time at which the hospital would withdraw life support. Neither of them is there when he dies.

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October 1996 – After Amiir dies, Mayte’s breasts continue to pump milk and she wants to be with her baby. She lays in the bed with Amiir’s ashes. Initially, she and grieve together. Eventually, between the next day and the next week, he returns to performing and promoting Emancipation. She is experiencing indescribable grief. She has an infection and has to return to the hospital.

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Did anyone else notice the conspicuous absence of 's family members during chapter 9?

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I noticed that Mayte and did not seem to have a strong support system in the days and months following Amiir's death. She spent a lot of time grieving alone. She also never mentions them attending any therapy or counseling to help them deal with the loss of Amiir.

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I have also noticed that throughout the book, Mayte has never discussed she and attending church together. I wonder if the apparent lack of a connection to a congregation may have made more inclined to become a JW. Amiir's death clearly created a spiritual void for , which is completely understandable. Although this issue is addressed more in subsequent chapters, what I found troubling about 's spiritual soul searching following his son's death is that he did not seem to be doing this soul searching wit hMayte. They seemed to be grieving and coping separately, instead of together. Being married myself, I think that a married couple should be grieving and coping together because grieving/coping separately is not healthy for a marriage.

CMSantos71 said:

amethyst68 said:

I thought that may have been a rumor. In the book she mentions asking again and again about the whereabouts of the ashes and not getting an answer. Her and Prince have talked since the divorce, which, would have been the opportune time to confirm what she heard about the urn/ashes. She doesn't indicate if a conversation about it between them ever occurred.

http://www.fox5ny.com/goo...9272-video At the 4:30 mark she starts talking about the ashes. She says when they were together she had them but when they divorced she didn't get them.

I heard her say that too. I wonder why she wasn't more forceful in trying to obtain the ashes, or at least part of the ashes. Her response is something like, "I wasn't granted them in the divorce," which suggests that the ashes still existed at the time they divorced.

Just wanna add that they didn't exactly just decide to let Amiir go, they decide to discontinue the ventilator/respirator and if the baby breathed on his own they'd take it as a sign to continue...if he didn't breathe on his own, they'd take that as a sign to let him go.

206Michelle said:

CMSantos71 said:

amethyst68 said: http://www.fox5ny.com/goo...9272-video At the 4:30 mark she starts talking about the ashes. She says when they were together she had them but when they divorced she didn't get them.

I heard her say that too. I wonder why she wasn't more forceful in trying to obtain the ashes, or at least part of the ashes. Her response is something like, "I wasn't granted them in the divorce," which suggests that the ashes still existed at the time they divorced.

That's what jumped out at me, too.

But I think that she didn't push because somewhere in the back of her mind all the years before 4/21 she admits later in the book that after watching the dynamics of her parents' dysfunctional marraige/affairs/divorces/remarraige, she thought eventually she and P would get back together...and I guess she figured the ashes were safely with Amiir's father, sooooo...

amethyst68 said:

206Michelle said:

This is the only photo I've seen of Mayte and during her pregnancy. She mentions the BABY dresses in the book. I don't know what event they were attending.

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Source: http://purplepersuasion.t....com/?og=1 via https://www.pinterest.com...368789243/

There is a picture in the book of her and Prince. Prince is wearing a pinstripe suit. Not sure what event they're attending but that photo was taken in 1996 and she appears to have a baby bump in other photos I've seen of that night.

Yes, there is a photo here where maybe there is a baby bump.

Source: http://www.gettyimages.co...d116673220

Gosh, they are so gorgeous together in this photo (the photo to which the link leads). So (Doesn't help either that I happen to be listening to Rene and Angela's "My First Love" at the moment.) If only I had a time machine....

206Michelle said:

Yes they were

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

I heard her say that too. I wonder why she wasn't more forceful in trying to obtain the ashes, or at least part of the ashes. Her response is something like, "I wasn't granted them in the divorce," which suggests that the ashes still existed at the time they divorced.

That's what jumped out at me, too.

But I think that she didn't push because somewhere in the back of her mind all the years before 4/21 she admits later in the book that after watching the dynamics of her parents' dysfunctional marraige/affairs/divorces/remarraige, she thought eventually she and P would get back together...and I guess she figured the ashes were safely with Amiir's father, sooooo...

I am just wondering when this burning happened? Did this happen between after divorce to Mayte and before the marriage to M2? If this is true, I just feel how cruel, cold and manipulative M2 is! I will never marry to the man who just burned every thing to remind him of his ex-wife and their baby no matter how much that man told me "You are the ONE, Mayte is not the ONE!"

Mayte's book also said M2 is kind. so I am confused here. I also read some article somewhere regarding M2's dating with Eric Benet. She said "Eric is a good father, so he is a good boyfriend." If M2 is really upset this burning thing but still go ahead to marry to Prince. I just conclude the 2nd marriage is based on deception in the beginning because M2 didn't stay true to herself just like she is not JW anymore from what I've heard. I am also wondering if M2 has any connection to Larry Graham and Tina. Did M2 join JW memorial for Prince? I am also wondering when Mayte knows this burning - many years later or before Prince married to M2? Because she told Prince "I don't give my blessing to your marriage" when Prince told her that he is going to marry to manuela.

This is probably off the topic since we are not in that chapter yet.....

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

I heard her say that too. I wonder why she wasn't more forceful in trying to obtain the ashes, or at least part of the ashes. Her response is something like, "I wasn't granted them in the divorce," which suggests that the ashes still existed at the time they divorced.

That's what jumped out at me, too.

But I think that she didn't push because somewhere in the back of her mind all the years before 4/21 she admits later in the book that after watching the dynamics of her parents' dysfunctional marraige/affairs/divorces/remarraige, she thought eventually she and P would get back together...and I guess she figured the ashes were safely with Amiir's father, sooooo...

Could her deep depression contribute not pushing? She said she was so depressed at that time. When you are in deep depression, you also lost the steam to fight and even think clearly.

precioux said:

I'm a mom & couldn't imagine! Firstly, just speaking of myself I would have never moved to Spain without them & I certainly would not move on from him without them . However, that does not justify them being kept hidden from her or destroyed.

206Michelle said:

When she was married to , did she know that he'd had epilepsy as a kid?

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It sounds like the episode of passing out and vomiting that led to the stomach pumping (p. 195) could have been a seizure. If he continued to have seizures in adulthood, I can't really understand why he would try to pretend that the condition didn't exist. He didn't need to make the seizures/epilepsy public, but why go on record as saying you were cured of the seizures when you were a kid? Was he ashamed? Did he think that the seizures were a divine curse?

Iagree with you about pretending the condition didn't exist. i think once he was in the hospital and had his stomach pumped then there would be a discussion and what was discussed was aspirin and wine. This was not an epileptic episode imo.Also why even mention it on Tavis Smiley if he didn't want to acknowledge it

The treatment Mayte describes him having from the incident -- having his stomach pumped and receiving charcoal -- is used for ODs/poisoning. They wouldn't an epileptic seizure with that method.

80tomato said:

206Michelle said:

When she was married to , did she know that he'd had epilepsy as a kid?

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It sounds like the episode of passing out and vomiting that led to the stomach pumping (p. 195) could have been a seizure. If he continued to have seizures in adulthood, I can't really understand why he would try to pretend that the condition didn't exist. He didn't need to make the seizures/epilepsy public, but why go on record as saying you were cured of the seizures when you were a kid? Was he ashamed? Did he think that the seizures were a divine curse?

Iagree with you about pretending the condition didn't exist. i think once he was in the hospital and had his stomach pumped then there would be a discussion and what was discussed was aspirin and wine. This was not an epileptic episode imo.Also why even mention it on Tavis Smiley if he didn't want to acknowledge it

I've been thinking alot about Amiirs ashes...probably way too much than I should be. As a mother, it bothers me that Mayte does not know EXACTLY what happened to them. I know she states they were not given to her in the divorce but I feel she should know where they are. Whether they were destroyed, buried or stored. Maybe she is just assuming they were burned because this friend heard Prince burned everything. I don't know. I guess deep down in my soul I don't believe Prince would burn his beloved sons ashes. I'm holding out hope that they are found somewhere and returned to Mayte.

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As for the actual ashes, i still believe if they weren’t in the house when the house was demolished (result buried) then someone has them, or they are somewhere in P’s many properties and not yet found. Maybe they are in plain sight somewhere at PP but no one knows what they are. Eventually someone will find out.

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exactly,it was an OD. He spoke of his epilepsy and didn't seem to hide it

disch said:

The treatment Mayte describes him having from the incident -- having his stomach pumped and receiving charcoal -- is used for ODs/poisoning. They wouldn't an epileptic seizure with that method.

80tomato said:

Iagree with you about pretending the condition didn't exist. i think once he was in the hospital and had his stomach pumped then there would be a discussion and what was discussed was aspirin and wine. This was not an epileptic episode imo.Also why even mention it on Tavis Smiley if he didn't want to acknowledge it

I want to mention a misnomer regarding Mayte's descriptor of Prince's reaction upon seeing his son for the first time. I feel this has been misrepresented and feel clarification is warranted.

Mayte relays that Prince's reaction was "joy" and then "TERROR". NOT HORROR! While these words could be used interchangeably, Mayte was using it in the context of "terrified", "extremely frightened", "very scared". Horror suggests "disgust" and after reading of Prince's absolute devotion to his son's needs during his too short life, I don't think disgust would even be an applicable interpretation of his reaction.

Whew....feel better now having gotten that off my chest.
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NotACleverName said:

I want to mention a misnomer regarding Mayte's descriptor of Prince's reaction upon seeing his son for the first time. I feel this has been misrepresented and feel clarification is warranted. Mayte relays that Prince's reaction was "joy" and then "TERROR". NOT HORROR! While these words could be used interchangeably, Mayte was using it in the context of "terrified", "extremely frightened", "very scared". Horror suggests "disgust" and after reading of Prince's absolute devotion to his son's needs during his too short life, I don't think disgust would even be an applicable interpretation of his reaction. Whew....feel better now having gotten that off my chest. [Edited 4/14/17 10:00am]

My thoughts exactly.

NotACleverName said:

I want to mention a misnomer regarding Mayte's descriptor of Prince's reaction upon seeing his son for the first time. I feel this has been misrepresented and feel clarification is warranted. Mayte relays that Prince's reaction was "joy" and then "TERROR". NOT HORROR! While these words could be used interchangeably, Mayte was using it in the context of "terrified", "extremely frightened", "very scared". Horror suggests "disgust" and after reading of Prince's absolute devotion to his son's needs during his too short life, I don't think disgust would even be an applicable interpretation of his reaction. Whew....feel better now having gotten that off my chest. [Edited 4/14/17 10:00am]

EXACTLY! I think that reaction was due to Armiir not breathing when he was born.

NotACleverName said:

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NotaCleverName, Thank you so much this eloquent comment. You expressed EXACTLY what I think and feel, and you expressed these thoughts and feelings far better than I could have. Again, thank you.

judy1023 said:

LBrent said:

That's what jumped out at me, too.

But I think that she didn't push because somewhere in the back of her mind all the years before 4/21 she admits later in the book that after watching the dynamics of her parents' dysfunctional marraige/affairs/divorces/remarraige, she thought eventually she and P would get back together...and I guess she figured the ashes were safely with Amiir's father, sooooo...

Could her deep depression contribute not pushing? She said she was so depressed at that time. When you are in deep depression, you also lost the steam to fight and even think clearly.

Exactly!