XxAxX said:

206Michelle said:

What do u think is missing, morningsong? I'm being serious.

why did prince turn away from mayte and toward larry graham/JW/manuella? it was a very very strange time period at Paisley Park, the change was palpable for us party going fans

His dad.

morningsong said:

bsprout said:

206Michelle said: I remember reading about the dress incident here on the org. Manuela allegedly wore one (or more) of Mayte's dresses while Mayte was living in Spain. I also didn't catch the indirect reference to this in the book.

I used to always wonder how does anybody know that? But she did mention about some girl wearing some other's girls dress, I forgot all she said but it was like a shadow of what happened with her.

I don't know about M2 wearing M1's clother but in the book there's a part where I think Carmen Electra is wearing a "cute outfit and cute boots" and either Diamond or Pearl says to Mayte that's the outfit she turned down when Prince tried to give it to her.

LBrent said:

morningsong said:

I used to always wonder how does anybody know that? But she did mention about some girl wearing some other's girls dress, I forgot all she said but it was like a shadow of what happened with her.

I don't know about M2 wearing M1's clother but in the book there's a part where I think Carmen Electra is wearing a "cute outfit and cute boots" and either Diamond or Pearl says to Mayte that's the outfit she turned down when Prince tried to give it to her.

That's it. First thing I thought about was the dress incident.

206Michelle said:

I agree with all you said d but the Spain part. She didn't run to Spain on her own. She went because Prince led her to believe they were going to buy a home and settle together. He is the one who (I believe) already had his new plan WITHOUT HER in the works. In my opinion, even if she had gone back and forth every weekend, he would have come up with some reason not to be there,be distant,etc. His mind was made up no matter what she tried to do. He had already moved on, and in perfect example of being completely emotionally immature, didn't even have the balls to just tell her. He had to push and push in a passive-aggressive way, let others do his dirty work, let her feel like everything was on her,etc. Pretty sad.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

206Michelle said:

I totally agree. I think it's fair to say that by the time he married Mayte, he was ready to settle down with one woman. He wanted a long-term committed marriage and he wanted children with his wife.

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He married Manuela in 2001.

It was Manuela who filed for divorce. Prince did not want the divorce.

In an article on people.com from July 26, 2006, "Princes Wife, Manuela, Filed for Divorce," there is the following information:

Prince’s personal lawyer, Patrick Cousins, confirms that Testolini Nelson is the petitioner. “His wife filed for divorce. This isn t something that he wanted,” says Cousins. “There isn’t anything else. He didn’t counter sue. He is just trying to get it resolved." (Source: http://people.com/celebri...divorce/).

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He wanted to be married. He wanted a family. He and Mayte lost 2 babies. He lost his way. He was distracted by LG, JW, and MT. He left Mayte. He and Mayte divorced. He married Manuela. Manuela divorced him. He obviously didn't try to get back with Mayte in 2006. In other words, he had what he wanted in Mayte, they hit some big bumps in the road, and he let her go. He was flawed, and he messed up, big time.

BINGO! Re your brilliant last paragraph summation...though I disagree re M2 initiating the divorce. While she may have filed, I believe this was after P froze and locked her out, and probably cut her off financially. At that time he was also powerfully motivated to placate the JW's and appear like the wronged, spiritual, deep believer/follower...and maybe he was. But, he was also not a dummy and it may have been dawning on him that the JW's, LG and M2 all played him. He was flawed, he did mess up and despite his control freak persona I'm sure his vulnerability, despair, and confusion blazed like a beacon for all to see. He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.

Speaking of brilliant, Bodhitheblackdog, your last sentence is BRILLIANT!

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

why did prince turn away from mayte and toward larry graham/JW/manuella? it was a very very strange time period at Paisley Park, the change was palpable for us party going fans

His dad.

Or the absence of his dad. was in need in fatherly guidance and his dad was not/did not provide that guidance. So instead, LG filled that fatherly role.

NotACleverName said:

purplerabbithole said:

Are you actually implying that Prince deserved to die because of some kind of bad karma in terms of his treatment of Mayte? Cold.

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dreamer218 speaks specifically about adultery and the fact that while he and Manuela carried on, he was still legally married to Mayte. This behavior is not accepted in the JW faith... (Genesis 39:7-9) "sin against God". So, the fact that Prince broke his vows to Mayte, there was "karmic retribution", so to speak, when Manuela divorced Prince. Had nothing to do with Prince dying (the manner and mode). That is how I interpret this but dreamer can clarify their intent.

Yes, I was referring to going against the religion. Nothing to do with this death or anything. Cheating is obviously wrong but I wouldn't wish death on someone for it.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.

Brilliant!!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:17pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

206Michelle said:

I feel the same way. I have read various threads speculating that Mayte cheated on and that Prince cheated on . Given his history of having many women and given how soon he married Manuela after divorcing Mayte, I had a strong suspicion that he may have cheated on Mayte. However, I never believed that she cheated on him. I'm glad she addressed this in the book.

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Even after all of the SH** she went through while they were together, she still LOVES the man and is devoted to him. She could have ripped him to shreds in the book, but she does not. She criticizes him, as she should, but more often than not, she writes about him with great love and devotion.

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Before I read the book, I liked Mayte and felt that she was good for Prince. I felt that it was unfortunate what they went through with the deaths of their son and the miscarriage, and thought that it was sad that they ended up divorcing. After reading this book, I believe that leaving/divorcing Mayte was one of Prince's biggest mistakes. I believe that she was good for him. Given that she still has enormous love and devotion for him to this day, I believe that had he remained faithful to her, she would have stood by him through just about anything . (I suppose that one could question whether staying with him would have been a good move on her part.)

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I wonder if Prince ever regretted leaving Mayte. Knowing what I know about Prince, he seems to have had a hard time admitting when he messed up or was wrong about something. I don't know whether this tendency of his was due to arrogance, insecurity, a combination of both, or something else.

YES, I agree with this and a previous comment (forgive me for not quoting exactly) that described this book as a powerful coming-of-age story of a strong women...and a concurrent tragedy for Prince that he let her drift (or rather pushed her) out of his life. 'How long do you want to be loved? Is forever enough?' WHAT in Gods' name did the man want?

I don't like making excuses for bad behavior but I think you need to look at his actions in consideration of his abandoment issues. His former manager stated he would even say Prince had diagnosable abandonment issues. With that being said, his actions toward Mayte towards the end of their marriage would be expected.

206Michelle said:

I was also thinking this about his mother as I read the book.
I have read very little about his mother but I do remember reading an article where Prince said his mother was wild, and that he inherited his wild streak from her. I thought this was interesting.

206Michelle said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

YES, I agree with this and a previous comment (forgive me for not quoting exactly) that described this book as a powerful coming-of-age story of a strong women...and a concurrent tragedy for Prince that he let her drift (or rather pushed her) out of his life. 'How long do you want to be loved? Is forever enough?' WHAT in Gods' name did the man want?

I totally agree. I think it's fair to say that by the time he married Mayte, he was ready to settle down with one woman. He wanted a long-term committed marriage and he wanted children with his wife.

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He married Manuela in 2001.

It was Manuela who filed for divorce. Prince did not want the divorce.

In an article on people.com from July 26, 2006, "Princes Wife, Manuela, Filed for Divorce," there is the following information:

Prince’s personal lawyer, Patrick Cousins, confirms that Testolini Nelson is the petitioner. “His wife filed for divorce. This isn t something that he wanted,” says Cousins. “There isn’t anything else. He didn’t counter sue. He is just trying to get it resolved." (Source: http://people.com/celebri...divorce/).

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He wanted to be married. He wanted a family. He and Mayte lost 2 babies. He lost his way. He was distracted by LG, JW, and MT. He left Mayte. He and Mayte divorced. He married Manuela. Manuela divorced him. He obviously didn't try to get back with Mayte in 2006. In other words, he had what he wanted in Mayte, they hit some big bumps in the road, and he let her go. He was flawed, and he messed up, big time.

Typical PR move to release a statement like that. Keep in mind, this man locked his wife out of their home and discontinued her credit cards. He never should have married Manuela.

206Michelle said:

morningsong said:

His dad.

Or the absence of his dad. was in need in fatherly guidance and his dad was not/did not provide that guidance. So instead, LG filled that fatherly role.

I don't know if it was the absence or the friction between them.

kmama07 said:

206Michelle said:

XxAxX, here's my two cents.

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I think that lost ALL SENSE OF DIRECTION when Amiir died...he and Mayte both did. His death completely shattered their world. I think it's fair to say that the death rocked to the core, and was trying to make sense of his son's death. The second pregnancy ending in miscarriage made things even worse. So it was the loss of the children that were the underlying issue that caused the biggest problems in the marriage.

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Mayte talks about she and praying together, but she never talks about them going to church. Not saying they didn't, but it stood out to me that she never talks about them going to church. So it's possible that maybe the lack of a church/spiritual community created a kind of spiritual void for . Again, just my thoughts.

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Also, I think that and M didn't have much of a support system on which they could lean when Amiir died. Based on what she writes in the book, wasn't associating much with his family members. From what's in the book, Mayte's life in Minnesota was based primarily around and she didn't talk about having a circle of friends independent of him. She only talks about her dogs.

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My understanding is that Prince's mom was Baptist and his dad was a Seventh-Day Adventist. There are some commonalities between the Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. Perhaps commonalities between those 2 denominations made open to JW teachings. Again, just my thoughts.

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I think that the straws that finally broke the camel's back, as the saying goes, were 3 factors: Larry Graham, the Jehovah's witness faith, and Manuela Testolini. The presence of these 3 factors, on top of Amiir's death and the miscarriage, caused to lose his way, to stray, and to turn his back on Mayte. LG never should have come in between and Mayte, he crossed the line. was a married man and had no business messing with other women. And MT had no business messing with a married man. I think also that Mayte probably shouldn't have spent so much time in Spain. She would have been wise to remember that 's woman stays in Minneapolis. But that being said, I put most of the blame for the divorce on , not Mayte. He's the one who really messed up.

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I agree with all you said d but the Spain part. She didn't run to Spain on her own. She went because Prince led her to believe they were going to buy a home and settle together. He is the one who (I believe) already had his new plan WITHOUT HER in the works. In my opinion, even if she had gone back and forth every weekend, he would have come up with some reason not to be there,be distant,etc. His mind was made up no matter what she tried to do. He had already moved on, and in perfect example of being completely emotionally immature, didn't even have the balls to just tell her. He had to push and push in a passive-aggressive way, let others do his dirty work, let her feel like everything was on her,etc. Pretty sad.

kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about , the same man who ended one of his letters to Mayte by writing " will never leave u" 16 times. There's also that story in a magazine (Vogue, I think) about the 2 of them living in Spain, so wasn't just telling this nonsense about starting over in Spain to Mayte.

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To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)

206Michelle said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

BINGO! Re your brilliant last paragraph summation...though I disagree re M2 initiating the divorce. While she may have filed, I believe this was after P froze and locked her out, and probably cut her off financially. At that time he was also powerfully motivated to placate the JW's and appear like the wronged, spiritual, deep believer/follower...and maybe he was. But, he was also not a dummy and it may have been dawning on him that the JW's, LG and M2 all played him. He was flawed, he did mess up and despite his control freak persona I'm sure his vulnerability, despair, and confusion blazed like a beacon for all to see. He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.

Speaking of brilliant, Bodhitheblackdog, your last sentence is BRILLIANT!

I have a fan! Usually, on the Org. I get snark, sarcasm or snottiness. This is better

206Michelle said:

kmama07 said:

206Michelle said: I agree with all you said d but the Spain part. She didn't run to Spain on her own. She went because Prince led her to believe they were going to buy a home and settle together. He is the one who (I believe) already had his new plan WITHOUT HER in the works. In my opinion, even if she had gone back and forth every weekend, he would have come up with some reason not to be there,be distant,etc. His mind was made up no matter what she tried to do. He had already moved on, and in perfect example of being completely emotionally immature, didn't even have the balls to just tell her. He had to push and push in a passive-aggressive way, let others do his dirty work, let her feel like everything was on her,etc. Pretty sad.

kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about , the same man who ended one of his letters to Mayte by writing " will never leave u" 16 times. There's also that story in a magazine (Vogue, I think) about the 2 of them living in Spain, so wasn't just telling this nonsense about starting over in Spain to Mayte.

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To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)

I agree with what Karma07 said... He moved her OUT of Minn taking her to Spain and convincing her that they would start over. Once she got to Spain she was no longer the girl in Minn.

DD55 said:

206Michelle said:

I was wondering as well. But not everyone buries ashes. Some keep the urns, some scatter after a certain amount of time. I've even seen people with jewelry that holds ashes of loved ones as well as (not even kidding) people having paintings made with their loved ones ashes...pets specifically. Maybe they just weren't ready for the "finality" of burying his ashes. That question will probably never be answered.

I think it all was too much and by then, Mayte symbolized loss and pain. Rather than facing it with her, he shut down. Perfect opportunity for Larry, Manuela and the JW era to swoop on in. Just my opinion. And I'm certainly not putting all blame on Manuela...granted, she knew he was married and should have kept to herself...definitely broke serious woman code...but HE was the married one who should have had the nads to break it off with his wife before things got heated with M2.

amethyst68 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

YES, I agree with this and a previous comment (forgive me for not quoting exactly) that described this book as a powerful coming-of-age story of a strong women...and a concurrent tragedy for Prince that he let her drift (or rather pushed her) out of his life. 'How long do you want to be loved? Is forever enough?' WHAT in Gods' name did the man want?

I don't like making excuses for bad behavior but I think you need to look at his actions in consideration of his abandoment issues. His former manager stated he would even say Prince had diagnosable abandonment issues. With that being said, his actions toward Mayte towards the end of their marriage would be expected.

I totally hear what you are saying, amethyst68. I think that it's possible to see the connection between the abandonment issues and his actions toward Mayte without excusing his behavior.

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I was a psychology major in college and there's been a lot of research done on attachment between children and caregivers. I think that based on his tumultuous childhood, Prince may have had some significant attachment issues. Amethyst68, I think that when you mention abandonment issues and I mention attachment issues, we are probably talking about the same thing using different terms.

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Going back to the book, Mayte tells a couple of stories about Prince's father. How many stories does Mayte have about Prince's mother? NONE. Prince's mom is mentioned a couple of times in the book, in passing. Her absence is very telling, in my opinion.

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How much do Prince fans know about his mother? Very little. We some basic details about her life. But Prince NEVER (or almost never) talked about her...That was his MAMA...And he NEVER (or almost never) talked about her...Think about that.

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Prince had abandonment/attachment issues due to experiences that occurred when he was a child. These experiences were outside of his control. He could not change the past. What he could change was how he dealt with what happenned to him in the past. When Prince became an adult, what was within his control was how he dealt with these experiences. This goes back to the whole issue of free will.

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Prince certainly had the means to see a really good therapist to help him deal with these abandonment/attachment issues. Maybe he did see a therapist. Even so, he probably could have used more therapy. Prayer has a place in healing. Music has a place in healing. Professional help has a place in healing, whether that help be medical, psychological, physical therapy, or whatever.

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As someone else wrote brilliantly, Prince had within him the seeds of his own destruction. I think that some of his self-destructive qualities were his avoidant/escapist tendences and his unwillingness to seek help.

Well actually every single one of us has issues in our lives but we don't treat people that way. It was almost as if when he was done with somebody, he just threw them away. I know people used him too. I think people wanted their careers to take off and he was a stepping stone for them.

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We can try to make excuses for him, but some of us has been thru a lot worse, then he went thru during our childhoods.

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Again, I love Prince and his music, but I don't have to like what he did to people. Mayte seems to have a kind heart. She didn't want to make waves where he was concerned. Heck she could have wrote a book that would really slam him, and she didn't. I think that she still thinks that they will be together again either in Heaven or another life.

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I think when he treated Mayte good it was really good, when he treated her bad, it was really, really bad.

kmama07 said:

206Michelle said:

XxAxX, here's my two cents.

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I think that lost ALL SENSE OF DIRECTION when Amiir died...he and Mayte both did. His death completely shattered their world. I think it's fair to say that the death rocked to the core, and was trying to make sense of his son's death. The second pregnancy ending in miscarriage made things even worse. So it was the loss of the children that were the underlying issue that caused the biggest problems in the marriage.

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Mayte talks about she and praying together, but she never talks about them going to church. Not saying they didn't, but it stood out to me that she never talks about them going to church. So it's possible that maybe the lack of a church/spiritual community created a kind of spiritual void for . Again, just my thoughts.

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Also, I think that and M didn't have much of a support system on which they could lean when Amiir died. Based on what she writes in the book, wasn't associating much with his family members. From what's in the book, Mayte's life in Minnesota was based primarily around and she didn't talk about having a circle of friends independent of him. She only talks about her dogs.

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My understanding is that Prince's mom was Baptist and his dad was a Seventh-Day Adventist. There are some commonalities between the Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. Perhaps commonalities between those 2 denominations made open to JW teachings. Again, just my thoughts.

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I think that the straws that finally broke the camel's back, as the saying goes, were 3 factors: Larry Graham, the Jehovah's witness faith, and Manuela Testolini. The presence of these 3 factors, on top of Amiir's death and the miscarriage, caused to lose his way, to stray, and to turn his back on Mayte. LG never should have come in between and Mayte, he crossed the line. was a married man and had no business messing with other women. And MT had no business messing with a married man. I think also that Mayte probably shouldn't have spent so much time in Spain. She would have been wise to remember that 's woman stays in Minneapolis. But that being said, I put most of the blame for the divorce on , not Mayte. He's the one who really messed up.

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I agree with all you said d but the Spain part. She didn't run to Spain on her own. She went because Prince led her to believe they were going to buy a home and settle together. He is the one who (I believe) already had his new plan WITHOUT HER in the works. In my opinion, even if she had gone back and forth every weekend, he would have come up with some reason not to be there,be distant,etc. His mind was made up no matter what she tried to do. He had already moved on, and in perfect example of being completely emotionally immature, didn't even have the balls to just tell her. He had to push and push in a passive-aggressive way, let others do his dirty work, let her feel like everything was on her,etc. Pretty sad.

Someone else once posted that they had a breif "interaction" with P and that he wouldn't ever actually break up with you but he'd do stuff that made you end up leaving the relationship.

PennyPurple said:

Agreed. I really think she respectfully told her story where there were absolutely times she was completely within her right to be incredibly vicious and vindictive. And not just towards Prince, towards other women (specifically M2) as well. She expressed herself regarding those situations with more grace than most would be able to muster in her situation.

kmama07 said:

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.

Brilliant!!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:17pm]

DD55 said:

206Michelle said:

kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about , the same man who ended one of his letters to Mayte by writing " will never leave u" 16 times. There's also that story in a magazine (Vogue, I think) about the 2 of them living in Spain, so wasn't just telling this nonsense about starting over in Spain to Mayte.

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To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)

I agree with what Karma07 said... He moved her OUT of Minn taking her to Spain and convincing her that they would start over. Once she got to Spain she was no longer the girl in Minn.

I concur, and I'll go further. As others have said on this thread, Prince was passive agressive, immature, manipulative,didn't have "the balls" to level with his I'll-never-leave-you ad nauseum soul-mate wife, etc...WTF people...if this were a friend or neighbor or relative who was behaving in such a destructive, self-destructive, cruel and UNNECESSARY way...you would nod wisely and conclude that the person was having a nervous breakdown or psychotic break. But, because the person in question was and is dearly beloved, a rock God, sex personified, the musical genius of his and probably other generations and too beautiful to be believed, his outrageous (not stage, but towards intimates) behaviors and betrayels FOR DECADES were minimized and glossed over as 'Princey' stuff. IMO, a damaged-in-childhood Prince (may his precious soul rest in peace) was ill-served by his fame and fortune. He didn't allow ANYONE in his life to say NO to him and at the end no one was even there to hold his hand. It's sickening.

DD55 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.

Brilliant!!

[Edited 4/10/17 19:17pm]

Absolutely!

Bodhitheblackdog said:

It really is incredibly sad.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

DD55 said:

I agree with what Karma07 said... He moved her OUT of Minn taking her to Spain and convincing her that they would start over. Once she got to Spain she was no longer the girl in Minn.

I concur, and I'll go further. As others have said on this thread, Prince was passive agressive, immature, manipulative,didn't have "the balls" to level with his I'll-never-leave-you ad nauseum soul-mate wife, etc...WTF people...if this were a friend or neighbor or relative who was behaving in such a destructive, self-destructive, cruel and UNNECESSARY way...you would nod wisely and conclude that the person was having a nervous breakdown or psychotic break. But, because the person in question was and is dearly beloved, a rock God, sex personified, the musical genius of his and probably other generations and too beautiful to be believed, his outrageous (not stage, but towards intimates) behaviors and betrayels FOR DECADES were minimized and glossed over as 'Princey' stuff. IMO, a damaged-in-childhood Prince (may his precious soul rest in peace) was ill-served by his fame and fortune. He didn't allow ANYONE in his life to say NO to him and at the end no one was even there to hold his hand. It's sickening.

Incredibly sad and heartbreaking

amethyst68 said:

206Michelle said:

I totally agree. I think it's fair to say that by the time he married Mayte, he was ready to settle down with one woman. He wanted a long-term committed marriage and he wanted children with his wife.

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He married Manuela in 2001.

It was Manuela who filed for divorce. Prince did not want the divorce.

In an article on people.com from July 26, 2006, "Princes Wife, Manuela, Filed for Divorce," there is the following information:

Prince’s personal lawyer, Patrick Cousins, confirms that Testolini Nelson is the petitioner. “His wife filed for divorce. This isn t something that he wanted,” says Cousins. “There isn’t anything else. He didn’t counter sue. He is just trying to get it resolved." (Source: http://people.com/celebri...divorce/).

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He wanted to be married. He wanted a family. He and Mayte lost 2 babies. He lost his way. He was distracted by LG, JW, and MT. He left Mayte. He and Mayte divorced. He married Manuela. Manuela divorced him. He obviously didn't try to get back with Mayte in 2006. In other words, he had what he wanted in Mayte, they hit some big bumps in the road, and he let her go. He was flawed, and he messed up, big time.

Typical PR move to release a statement like that. Keep in mind, this man locked his wife out of their home and discontinued her credit cards. He never should have married Manuela.

Good point about the PR move. I took the attorney's statement at face value and didn't even think about it being a PR move.

PennyPurple said:

Well actually every single one of us has issues in our lives but we don't treat people that way. It was almost as if when he was done with somebody, he just threw them away. I know people used him too. I think people wanted their careers to take off and he was a stepping stone for them.

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We can try to make excuses for him, but some of us has been thru a lot worse, then he went thru during our childhoods.

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Again, I love Prince and his music, but I don't have to like what he did to people. Mayte seems to have a kind heart. She didn't want to make waves where he was concerned. Heck she could have wrote a book that would really slam him, and she didn't. I think that she still thinks that they will be together again either in Heaven or another life.

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I think when he treated Mayte good it was really good, when he treated her bad, it was really, really bad.

Yes, and I think when some folks left his employ P felt that same sense of abandonment.

As I read the book, I could see paralleis in keeping folks "bookmarked"...like band members being told they were gonna be used then projects not materializing or being shelved.

Yes, he cared for them and enjoyed doing the projects, but I think sometimes he didn't want the project to end cuz then they might leave. Same with salary, if they needed him they had to stay.

I remember him saying something to Morris Day along the lines of if he would just trust P and follow what he was outlining he'd have a career or something like that, but MD had had enough and left.

I think every time someone left P whether romantic/business/friend/family, he felt the same betrayal triggers.

Something else I think about when he was asked why he needed to do everything on an album, play everything, sing everything...and P's answe broke my heart. He said he needed to do everything cuz "what if evrybody leaves me?"

I think his fear of abandonment had him leave folks he felt too close to so they wouldn't leave him first.

All very twisted and complicated feelings.

kmama07 said:

206Michelle said:

kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about , the same man who ended one of his letters to Mayte by writing " will never leave u" 16 times. There's also that story in a magazine (Vogue, I think) about the 2 of them living in Spain, so wasn't just telling this nonsense about starting over in Spain to Mayte.

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To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)

I was wondering as well. But not everyone buries ashes. Some keep the urns, some scatter after a certain amount of time. I've even seen people with jewelry that holds ashes of loved ones as well as (not even kidding) people having paintings made with their loved ones ashes...pets specifically. Maybe they just weren't ready for the "finality" of burying his ashes. That question will probably never be answered. I think it all was too much and by then, Mayte symbolized loss and pain. Rather than facing it with her, he shut down. Perfect opportunity for Larry, Manuela and the JW era to swoop on in. Just my opinion. And I'm certainly not putting all blame on Manuela...granted, she knew he was married and should have kept to herself...definitely broke serious woman code...but HE was the married one who should have had the nads to break it off with his wife before things got heated with M2.

kmama07, I agree with you about him shutting down. I wonder if and Mayte ever tried to receive professional help, e.g. therapy. Or maybe Mayte tried and refused.

PennyPurple said:

Well actually every single one of us has issues in our lives but we don't treat people that way. It was almost as if when he was done with somebody, he just threw them away. I know people used him too. I think people wanted their careers to take off and he was a stepping stone for them.

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We can try to make excuses for him, but some of us has been thru a lot worse, then he went thru during our childhoods.

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Again, I love Prince and his music, but I don't have to like what he did to people. Mayte seems to have a kind heart. She didn't want to make waves where he was concerned. Heck she could have wrote a book that would really slam him, and she didn't. I think that she still thinks that they will be together again either in Heaven or another life.

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I think when he treated Mayte good it was really good, when he treated her bad, it was really, really bad.

PennyPurple, I totally agree.

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Like I said, while he probably had some serious attachment issues from childhood over which he had no control, once he became an adult, it was within his control to deal with these traumatic experiences. He prayed. He made music. He could have gotten therapy. Maybe he did go to therapy. In my opinion, if he did, it wasn't enough.

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Therapy can be hard, very hard. But sometimes, life throws things at a person that overwhelms his or her coping skills. In these situations, often times the only thing that a person can do is to (a) admit that he or she can't handle the issues and (b) seek help/support for dealing with the issues.

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This goes back to the whole issue of free will. Prince could have sought out professional help for his abandonment issues. He certainly had the means to receive top-notch professional help. He could have sought out professional help in order to deal with the loss of his son. Maybe he did, but I suspect that he did not receive professional help. Instead, he decided to believe the nonsense that his son's death was a punishment from God. He decided to have everything reminding him of Amiir and Mayte destroyed, including Amiir's ashes.

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There's no denying it, he made bad choices. Me left Mayte and did her dirty. He married Manuela, and what happened...5 years later, they got a divorce. He never should have married Mani.

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I love the man, I love his music, but he was a flawed genius. And when it came to his personal relationships, he was a mess, a boiling hot mess. I won't stop loving him because of his flaws and his bad choices. I acknowledge the bad things that he did, I don't like the bad things that he did, but I can't hate the man. His music means too much to me. Shoot, Mayte still loves him, and if SHE can love him in spite of everything that he did to her, then I can give him my fan love too.