PennyPurple said:

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

You didn't answer the question. The answer you gave about Mayte's things being burned was because she provoked Prince. But what did the baby do, to provoke Prince to burn his things and ashes?

I don't believe Prince burned the ashes, do you have proof he burned them? If you do im willing to discuss. Your turn. Since you are Maytes no 1 supporter, can you explain what she meant by "I forgave Prince because they were JUST ASHES?" I would appreciate it, thanks.

I have no clue what she meant, it wasn't in the book, which is what we are discussing.

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I believe Prince had those ashes along with everything else thrown in the fire, Prince of course didn't do it, he ordered someone else to. You always make excuses for everything that Prince did, because according to you, it's always everyone else's fault. So what did the baby do to provoke him? The answer of course is...nothing....you of course wouldn't answer the question, because you know it's true.

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

Another one of those things that makes no sense. She writes that P brought her to PP to prevent her from dancing in Cairo. She says she did an audition in Cairo and was asked to come back the following year. Early the following year, she gets the news that the hotel she auditioned for burnt down and it wasn't going to be rebuilt. Therefore, no contract. So how did P hiring her mean that he was preventing her from going to Cairo or that she had to give up her contract when it didn't even exist?

That was just one hotel and contract.

There are many opportunities and hotels, etc where she was positioned to perform.

That's the same as any other young talent who is hot at the moment, but takes a year away...there are others who take your opportunities when you fall off the face of the planet, move out of that social circle and aren't in the loop anymore.

[Edited 4/28/17 12:14pm]

That's not what was in the book. She only spoke of one hotel, where she auditioned in 1989 and was asked to come back the following June, 1990. She also stated IF the hotel offered her the contract, she would spend her time between Cairo and Germany. Neither came to pass. Therefore, no contract at all. The hotel burned in March 1990, 4 months before she even met P.

laurarichardson said:

BillieBalloon said:

I don't believe Prince burned the ashes, do you have proof he burned them? If you do im willing to discuss. Your turn. Since you are Maytes no 1 supporter, can you explain what she meant by "I forgave Prince because they were JUST ASHES?" I would appreciate it, thanks.

In regards to the ashes, there was plenty of time and plenty of opportunity to ask about them. When she called him after his father passed away would have been a perfect time instead of discussing Aaliya. P had many assistants over the years so who knows which assistant or even if it happened at all. Again, it's still only a rumor.

Misslink88 said:

BillieBalloon said:

I don't believe Prince burned the ashes, do you have proof he burned them? If you do im willing to discuss. Your turn. Since you are Maytes no 1 supporter, can you explain what she meant by "I forgave Prince because they were JUST ASHES?" I would appreciate it, thanks.

In regards to the ashes, there was plenty of time and plenty of opportunity to ask about them. When she called him after his father passed away would have been a perfect time instead of discussing Aaliya. P had many assistants over the years so who knows which assistant or even if it happened at all. Again, it's still only a rumor.

Hell, if it was me, no annulment papers or divorce papers would've been signed by me unless I got my baby's ashes, and I really don't understand why she didn't get them?.....the only thing I can figure out is, he told her to go to Spain to buy a house so they could make their home there, and she believed him and that's why she didn't get all her personal items, clothing, ashes....what ever. That is the only thing I can think of.

Lovejunky said:

LBrent said:

Well honey, if he wrote that poetic stuff to me I would'nt consider that having a "talk" either. Lol

And to be honest, unless we sat down and had a face-to-face talk, I would'nt have thought it was a serious thing, just him being poeticand romantic and in the moment.

But that's just me.

I guess its hard for me to believe that when he wrote that letter about wanting to have a baby only with her,

and If not her then no one else..

That at some point she wasnt emotionaly moved to say something to him about what I consdier to be deeply touching words..

But thats just ME

I'm one of those women who doesn't take romantic crap seriously. If Prince wrote me that, I'd be like, "Dude, nah. You want to try that again like a grown-up, not like a twelve year old girl seeing stars, puppies, flowers, and unicorns. And by the way, lose the emoticons and write like a grown man. This crap is so silly."

But then, I'm pretty evil like that.

bsprout said:

Lovejunky said:

Im going to really speculate here...and draw on my intuition..

I know there has never been any mention of it, but Im guessing that at some point when things rocky between them

and Mayte didnt know how to handle it..

Still being very young and still very enmeshed with her Mother..she might have taken too much of HER ADviceI

Something tells me that Rather than TRUST Prince, when the first seeds of doubt crept in

both women reacted in that Latino way ..on their "suspicions"WHich might have been Ungrounded and based only on Maytes mothers experience and Princes earlier reputation..

I think he was innocent at some point and couldnt convince Mayte

no matter how many "the Ones"he wrote

Eventually he gave up..and the divide between then grew until...

..Damned if U do damned if U dont..

[Edited 4/28/17 7:21am]

[Edited 4/28/17 7:24am]

What exactly is 'that Latino Way?' Is acting on your suspicions exclusively a Latino thing? That is news to me.

You dont know ? Really ? I have to smile coz I have a number of Puerto Rican and Spanish girlfriends and BOY do they go OFF when angered .Ive been with one of them when her BF

smiled at another girl at a dance club...Boy oh BOY...She went over the top...Yelling screeching

etc....Her name is Catalina....I once mentioned the incident to her , and we laughed about it

though at the time I was Hella NOT FUNNY...but Catalina brused if off with "you dont want to mess with a Latina Woman," explaining to me that they are famous for explosive temper tantrums..

Like CHilli she said...so yeah..The Latino Way

Misslink88 said:

Lovejunky said:

Im going to really speculate here...and draw on my intuition..

I know there has never been any mention of it, but Im guessing that at some point when things rocky between them

and Mayte didnt know how to handle it..

Still being very young and still very enmeshed with her Mother..she might have taken too much of HER ADviceI

Something tells me that Rather than TRUST Prince, when the first seeds of doubt crept in

both women reacted in that Latino way ..on their "suspicions"WHich might have been Ungrounded and based only on Maytes mothers experience and Princes earlier reputation..

I think he was innocent at some point and couldnt convince Mayte

no matter how many "the Ones"he wrote

Eventually he gave up..and the divide between then grew until...

..Damned if U do damned if U dont..

[Edited 4/28/17 7:21am]

[Edited 4/28/17 7:24am]

That's the thing, isn't it Lovejunky? What if they had an agreement as to how they would comport themselves through the annulment? Just how things were going to go down and when? All we currently have is Mayte's side of the story. And she never talks about what she did in Spain although she was supposedly working on opening up a night club (Scorpio), attending parties and having a life. According to her, she just talked on the phone the whole year and a half.

Yes..the thing is we dont KNOW the Cause at this point..only the affect

MMJas said:

Lovejunky said:

The important thing for ME is that I can see them..

the rest isnt important

Absolutely. But what are those, really big inconsistencies you see?

Ive never said that they are really big MMJas ,

Ive noticed and have aired my opinions in this thread.

I dont linger on them, but they are noted

DELETE

[Edited 4/28/17 17:58pm]

BillieBalloon said:

SpookyNopetopus said:

PennyPurple said:

I've got some feelers out to see if we can get some answers to the questions on this thread.....we'll see what happens....

moonsister said:

Lovejunky said:

bsprout said:

Lovejunky said:

You dont know ? Really ? I have to smile coz I have a number of Puerto Rican and Spanish girlfriends and BOY do they go OFF when angered .Ive been with one of them when her BF

smiled at another girl at a dance club...Boy oh BOY...She went over the top...Yelling screeching

etc....Her name is Catalina....I once mentioned the incident to her , and we laughed about it

though at the time I was Hella NOT FUNNY...but Catalina brused if off with "you dont want to mess with a Latina Woman," explaining to me that they are famous for explosive temper tantrums..

Like CHilli she said...so yeah..The Latino Way

Um...that's called a stereotype. If your Latina friends laugh about it, so be it, but it doesn't make it any less so. Really.

yep..

My Latina friends are actually quite Proud to OWN it...

Go Figure !

[Edited 4/28/17 20:42pm]

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

He got away with his behavior because he was the boss. Plain and simple. You know that he learned something from exhaustion? Do you even realize how that comes across?

Once again have you ever been in a relationship with a man. Guys do not go around burning shit unless something bad as gone down. I still think Mayte got tired of his crap and ran off with some other dude which to be fair leaving your wife in another country and having a mistress back home is bound to cause this to happen.

He made the stituation and then could not handle it when he got a taste of his own medince.

There are two sides two every story and we are never going to hear about what Mayte did wrong because that is not going to sell books.

I notice that you consistantly acknowledge P's bad behaviour, but then you feel that's got to be a result of someone else's bad behaviour and simply cannot or willfully will not believe that it's possible for anyone, including P, to indulge in unprovoked bad behaviour solely out of their own ish.

It's as if unless you can make Mayte culpable you can't rest. P could be an azz, this is no secret to true fans. In my case, I know it and accept that fact for what it is. Doesn't make me love him less.

Silly wabbit.

[Edited 4/28/17 12:15pm]

Prince had plenty of time to set the record straight about his relationship with Mayte, but chose not to tell his side of the story. He was divorced from Mayte for over 15 years when he passed. She did Hollywood Exes from 2012 to 2014. Prince was very intentional and detail-oriented in most of his behavior. For example, he had his clothes custom made. Setting the record straight clearly wasn't that high of a priority for him because he didn't do it.

judy1023 said:

BillieBalloon said:

I don't believe Prince burned the ashes, do you have proof he burned them? If you do im willing to discuss. Your turn. Since you are Maytes no 1 supporter, can you explain what she meant by "I forgave Prince because they were JUST ASHES?" I would appreciate it, thanks.

Really, she said that! I have seen people arguing this constantly! I wanted to say the same thing. Ashes is still physical thing, material thing! Spirit never dies! Prince knows it! It took mayte years to come to term. She finally got it! The question is do you get it? Spirit never dies! Prince is with his son now!

I find that hard to believe when she basically starts off the book discussing their belief in reincarnation and how they'll keep meeting forever throughout eternity. She brings up their conversations around reincarnation later on as well, so it's not like she just had a "lightbulb moment" this month because she's done some interviews. If she had forgiven him (as she's stated recently) and believes in reincarnation, they'd have been "just ashes" before she felt compelled to repeat a rumor about him burning them.

PennyPurple said:

Misslink88 said:

In regards to the ashes, there was plenty of time and plenty of opportunity to ask about them. When she called him after his father passed away would have been a perfect time instead of discussing Aaliya. P had many assistants over the years so who knows which assistant or even if it happened at all. Again, it's still only a rumor.

Hell, if it was me, no annulment papers or divorce papers would've been signed by me unless I got my baby's ashes, and I really don't understand why she didn't get them?.....the only thing I can figure out is, he told her to go to Spain to buy a house so they could make their home there, and she believed him and that's why she didn't get all her personal items, clothing, ashes....what ever. That is the only thing I can think of.

Agreed on that point. I wouldn't have signed anything until I had them. As to the rest of it, it's not like she was stranded in Spain. She met him for award shows and tours and it would have been easy to get his schedule and go to MN when he wasn't there to get them.

Misslink88 said:

judy1023 said:

BillieBalloon said: Really, she said that! I have seen people arguing this constantly! I wanted to say the same thing. Ashes is still physical thing, material thing! Spirit never dies! Prince knows it! It took mayte years to come to term. She finally got it! The question is do you get it? Spirit never dies! Prince is with his son now!

I find that hard to believe when she basically starts off the book discussing their belief in reincarnation and how they'll keep meeting forever throughout eternity. She brings up their conversations around reincarnation later on as well, so it's not like she just had a "lightbulb moment" this month because she's done some interviews. If she had forgiven him (as she's stated recently) and believes in reincarnation, they'd have been "just ashes" before she felt compelled to repeat a rumor about him burning them.

Maybe shes been reading this thread....

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

I notice that you consistantly acknowledge P's bad behaviour, but then you feel that's got to be a result of someone else's bad behaviour and simply cannot or willfully will not believe that it's possible for anyone, including P, to indulge in unprovoked bad behaviour solely out of their own ish.

It's as if unless you can make Mayte culpable you can't rest. P could be an azz, this is no secret to true fans. In my case, I know it and accept that fact for what it is. Doesn't make me love him less.

Silly wabbit.

[Edited 4/28/17 12:15pm]

Prince had plenty of time to set the record straight about his relationship with Mayte, but chose not to tell his side of the story. He was divorced from Mayte for over 15 years when he passed. She did Hollywood Exes from 2012 to 2014. Prince was very intentional and detail-oriented in most of his behavior. For example, he had his clothes custom made. Setting the record straight clearly wasn't that high of a priority for him because he didn't do it.

Or perhaps, like he had done for 40 years, he didn't live his life in the press or in the past.

Misslink88 said:

LBrent said:

That was just one hotel and contract.

There are many opportunities and hotels, etc where she was positioned to perform.

That's the same as any other young talent who is hot at the moment, but takes a year away...there are others who take your opportunities when you fall off the face of the planet, move out of that social circle and aren't in the loop anymore.

[Edited 4/28/17 12:14pm]

That's not what was in the book. She only spoke of one hotel, where she auditioned in 1989 and was asked to come back the following June, 1990. She also stated IF the hotel offered her the contract, she would spend her time between Cairo and Germany. Neither came to pass. Therefore, no contract at all. The hotel burned in March 1990, 4 months before she even met P.

See, here's the thing...

You and those of your ilk clearly are very black & white thinkers. You like crisp edges and well defined details.

That doesn't make you a bad person, but it does make it less likely for you to see shades of grey therefore if something is not explained in the minutest detail with no room for misunderstanding you cannot see past what is presented to the full outcome. You seem unable to abstract and use deductive reasoning. I've watched your replies in other threads. You are rigidly inflexible and tend to fixate without being able to integrate new information or opinions.

I find it exhausting trying to explain things to a person who cannot or is willfull in refusing to accept that there are subtleties and nuance in every situation.

And so, since I cannot explain in a way that you can understand, I'm choosing not to try anymore for now.

Doesn't mean I'm angry. Doesn't mean I hate you. What it does mean is that I find explaining things to you and those who think the way that you do an exercize in futility. And since this is not my book or story to fight for, I'm not interested in further engaging with you about it at this time.

Frankly, it's sorta like trying to teach a turtle to sing...it wastes my time and annoys the turtle.

I'm sure someone with more patience will pick up the gauntlet and engage with you on this topic, but I'm bored for now and need to recharge my batteries.

Enjoy.

Lovejunky said:

Misslink88 said:

I find that hard to believe when she basically starts off the book discussing their belief in reincarnation and how they'll keep meeting forever throughout eternity. She brings up their conversations around reincarnation later on as well, so it's not like she just had a "lightbulb moment" this month because she's done some interviews. If she had forgiven him (as she's stated recently) and believes in reincarnation, they'd have been "just ashes" before she felt compelled to repeat a rumor about him burning them.

Maybe shes been reading this thread....

No doubt.

LBrent said:

Misslink88 said:

That's not what was in the book. She only spoke of one hotel, where she auditioned in 1989 and was asked to come back the following June, 1990. She also stated IF the hotel offered her the contract, she would spend her time between Cairo and Germany. Neither came to pass. Therefore, no contract at all. The hotel burned in March 1990, 4 months before she even met P.

See, here's the thing...

You and those of your ilk clearly are very black & white thinkers. You like crisp edges and well defined details.

That doesn't make you a bad person, but it does make it less likely for you to see shades of grey therefore if something is not explained in the minutest detail with no room for misunderstanding you cannot see past what is presented to the full outcome. You seem unable to abstract and use deductive reasoning. I've watched your replies in other threads. You are rigidly inflexible and tend to fixate without being able to integrate new information or opinions.

I find it exhausting trying to explain things to a person who cannot or is willfull in refusing to accept that there are subtleties and nuance in every situation.

And so, since I cannot explain in a way that you can understand, I'm choosing not to try anymore for now.

Doesn't mean I'm angry. Doesn't mean I hate you. What it does mean is that I find explaining things to you and those who think the way that you do an exercize in futility. And since this is not my book or story to fight for, I'm not interested in further engaging with you about it at this time.

Frankly, it's sorta like trying to teach a turtle to sing...it wastes my time and annoys the turtle.

I'm sure someone with more patience will pick up the gauntlet and engage with you on this topic, but I'm bored for now and need to recharge my batteries.

Enjoy.

You're bored with me and are ignorning me, remember? Yet again, you're deflecting from what's in the book by attacking me because your opinion of me has nothing to do with what's in the book.

[Edited 4/28/17 21:43pm]

This conversation is incredibly vile. Ya'll should be ashamed.

PennyPurple said:

BillieBalloon said:

PennyPurple said:

I have no clue what she meant, it wasn't in the book, which is what we are discussing.

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I believe Prince had those ashes along with everything else thrown in the fire, Prince of course didn't do it, he ordered someone else to. You always make excuses for everything that Prince did, because according to you, it's always everyone else's fault. So what did the baby do to provoke him? The answer of course is...nothing....you of course wouldn't answer the question, because you know it's true.

Obviously the baby did nothing, the baby was completely innocent in all this. You know what the issues are about including unverified statements in a book which can ruin a mans reputation. A man who is no longer here to dispute her version of events.

The statements aren't 'unverified', it's just that you refuse to take them at face value. In the book she says she was told by staff what happened to the ashes. No-one is refuting that. So until a staff person comes forward to do so, Mayte's version stands, cause all these fucking misogynists who endlessly talk shit about the women in Prince's life certainly don't know better than Mayte.

[Edited 4/29/17 5:05am]

JudasLChrist said: