Sonshine, You make some great points. I think it's fair to say that Prince was an enigma in may ways to his fans and the general public. After reading The Most Beautiful, I think it's also fair to say that he was an enigma in many ways to his closest friends, familiy members, and associates as well. . As far as him referring to Mayte as his partner and then calling her his soulmate, who knows what he was thinking. Like Mayte said in the book, maybe he was struggling with the whole Manuela situation. My best guess is that he was confused and trying to figure out what he wanted to do with his life. "Do stay with Mayte? Do carry on with Manuela? Do become a Jehovah's Witness? Do "i" still want children? Where the heck am going in my life?" However, because he was a public figure, and his private life was a topic that would arise during interviews and appearances, these inner struggles that he was experiencing played out on the public stage to some degree. . Here is a metaphor. I hope it's not offensive to anyone. Imagine that Prince is a quarterback playing in the NFL of the mid 2000s, prior to all of the concussion protocols. On the opposing team is a defensive end or outside linebacker (e.g. someone of the caliber of Lawrence Taylor or Von Miller). The DE/LB sacks the QB 1 time and the QB gets his "bell rung" (a mild concussion). The QB continues to play. The DE/LB sacks the QB another time, and the QB's concussion becomes even worse. At this point, the QB is woozy, but he still wants to play. Instead of doing the smart thing and going to the sidelines for a break, he continues to play, and on the next play, he's physically and mentally not himself, forgets what the playbook tells him to do, makes a major mistake, and throws an interception. . Now, going back to Prince, think of the first sack as the death of Amiir and the second sack as the miscarriage. He lost all sense of direction after Amiir's death. The miscarriage only made things worse. He was dazed and confused. The losses of the babies made his grand plan for married life and fatherhood go up in smoke. And instead of taking a break, going for counseling/treatment, and trying to really address the issues that he was facing with his marriage and his life in general, he kept going on with his life without giving himself time to heal. Because he kept going on with his life, he lost his way. He became very involved in the Jehovah's Witness faith even though Mayte wasn't interested. He starts thinking that Amiir's death was a punishment for his behavior as a younger man. He starts seeing another woman who is not his wife. He comes up with this "annulment" B.S. in order to try and reconcile the fact that he is married with Mayte, but he is seeing Manuela at the same time. . Basically, I think he didn't really know what he wanted to do with his life. And yes, I'm sure that Mayte was confused. She admits in the book that the whole annulment situation is still confusing to her. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Maybe for some, that might be the case. But for me that is not the case. People confuse criticism and attacking. Their is a difference. Not everybody loves Prince. People helped Prince, no one can argue about that but when people try to take credit for stuff they did not do and make it seem like he is nothing without them, that may be an issue some people. And it is their right to feel so. When creativity happens it flows and that's when the magic happens. | |
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Some feel they have. It is their impressions whether or not it is true or not. | |
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And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says: "Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'" . Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!! Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Ok, since no one is gonna ask, I guess it's up to me to ask...
Since this is specifically a thread about Mayte's book, am I understanding you to say that Mayte "tried to take credit for something" she "didn't do" and "make it seem like he was nothing without" her in her book?
Examples please because I did not read anything like that in Mayte's book.
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It would have been impossible for me to stay that far apart from my man with similar shenanigans going on. Idk maybe she wanted him to want her wholly on his own, or she didn't want to appear desperate, or she thought absence would make the heart grow fonder. Also, I did want to add that she did in fact go to some of the JW meetings, etc and while she wasn't into it she also did not object initially to his interest in it either. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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I did not name names. | |
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That is your opinion. Like I told someone else, you can't dictate how some people feel. I learn to disagree and move on. End of story. | |
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Yes I know that you didn't name names, which makes your comment more confusing because this thread is discussing Mayte's book and your comment implies that it has something to do with Mayte's book.
It would be odd for a comment in this thread not to be about Mayte's book...ya know..in a thread about Maye's book.
If I'm misunderstanding about your comments having anything to do with Mayte's book then I'm really confused.
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Well now that would be true if your disagreement on page 47 hadn't moved on to pages 48, 49, 50, 51 and 52, but yet here we are.
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Direct your comment to this person who said: "The fact of the matter is that there is subset of Prince so-called-fans who are hypercritical and cruel when it comes to the women in Prince's life, whether that be Wendy and Lisa, or his wives, or other women he dated and/or worked with. Incidentally, the majority of this hypercritical, suspicious hoarde are women them selves. Go figure. One wishes the org had some system of up-votes and down votes so that we could put the kaboosh." And then this: " think it's very much about things like misogyny, homophobia, plain jealousy, etc... Beacuse there isn't any legitimate reason to attack the women in his life the way people do. There just isn't. People love Prince. The idea that others helped him or had a musical conversation with him isn't criticism."
Stay confused. You don't want to question this person but want to question me. It is sad that people are bringing up misogyny, homophobia, and plain jealousy just because people say a negative word or two about Mayte or any other female associate. | |
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Unfortunately, that's a common pattern. See Oprah's show after his baby had died and his party and riding a bike after the OD on the plane. He just did not want people to know about his personal business, so he lied whenever he needed to. | |
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Again that's your opinion. You can't dictate what is or what is not appropriate for people to say about Mayte or any other associate. People will not keep their mouth shut. Things do not work that way. Women were a big force in Prince's creative world. You don't see many people in the business female or male that hyped up their dancers, singers, and musicans like Prince did. He did not have to put people in booklets, name check them, or put them in projects. He could have just let them stand there and be nameless. | |
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And something else about this inStyle article, because I'm reading it right now. The article says: "Though they annulled the marriage in 1998, igniting rumors that they'd split, the Artist says it ain't so. 'For better or worse? There is no worse. Everything is wonderful.'" . Seriously, "Everything is wonderful"? He was FULL OF IT!!! Lol I know, right? Even harder for me to wrap my head around is how he went from that proclamation of love to a short time later burning all her belongings and anything that was a reminder of her or the baby. Why the sudden, drastic change of heart? The only logical explanation I come up with is that he did it for Mani's benefit. He was trying to impress her with how over it he was, and how all in he was with her lest there be any doubt. (I'm also not 100% sure that torching included the baby's remains. That's not clearly stated so I don't think it should be assumed without more solid proof.) Like I've said many times Prince was not whole. He wanted to be. He wanted to be spiritually enlightened. He wanted to be on the path to salvation. I think he was often waging an inner war of good vs evil. He still wanted what he wanted even if that meant there would be some casualties along the way. I think that's why he never looked back. That would be too painful if he couldn't justify his past behavior or actions. So he never went there. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Something must have really upset him...
becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?
but then again
he Did BURN people...so
But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..
and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...
and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..
THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...
I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....
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Lovejunky said:
Something must have really upset him...
becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?
but then again
he Did BURN people...so
But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..
and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...
and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..
THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...
I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....
It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing. [Edited 4/27/17 7:24am] | |
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Yup. Still confuse. Still not in Mayte's book, so...
But that's okay. It's mostly "white noise"* at this point.
I'm good.
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So, part two of the podcast is up for those of you interested https://princesongs.org/2...re-jones/. This week we talk about Ben Greenman's book, sort of, and a lot about P and flow and his general VJ whispering capacities (in only slightly less blunt terms) and also his sprituality and the conversion. Next week we're doing Mayte. Love to you all. Not like I love my guitar.... | |
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annalizer said: Lovejunky said:
Something must have really upset him...
becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?
but then again
he Did BURN people...so
But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..
and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...
and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..
THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...
I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....
It didn't take much to piss Prince off. The word "no" usually does it and is a death sentence to anyone in his narcissistic kingdom. He demonstrated this behavior numerous times in his career with family, friends, record labels, band members and lovers. He could get away with this behavior simply because he was well...Prince, not Danny Devito. Prince was a grown man and had been through a lot by then and should have learned to cooled his heels with his actions towards others, but it seriously bothered him when he couldn't control the outcome of the various situations he got himself into. During his latter years in life he seemed to learn this due to age, experience and pure exhaustion, which is a good thing. [Edited 4/27/17 7:24am] And she spent decades trying to get back with him. She should have spoken to you first. Baby, you're a star.
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I'm beginning to find this out after reading Alex Hahn's book. | |
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...or start their own "talk baseless shit about Prince's women" thread. Haha | |
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Lovejunky said:
Something must have really upset him...
becasue we havent heard of any temper tantrums very often have we..?
but then again
he Did BURN people...so
But seriously....there IS another side to the story..obviously ..there is always two sides..
and for a man to become so enraged ...well...something happened that hurt him a lot...
and Im guessing that the Act of Burning was a last straw for him..
THis wasnt the first act..it was the last one...and we will never know what happenend in between...
I dont feel its fair to run him under a bus on ONLY Maytes side of the story....
Meh, I still think it was done just for "show". He was making a statement for the benefit of his new love interest. I'm sure Mani read the magazine article too and probably saw his comments about Mayte so in order to not lose her he had to prove he was truly done with wife #1. The man was creative for sure in all ways. It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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You're right, she did go to some meetings initially.
I think that P set the relationship up for him to be the expressor/agressor. He romanced Mayte and pursued her, etc. When it came time for Mayte to be the expressor/agressor she didn't know how to bc that's not how their relationship was. She didn't even have his phone number while they were dating! I think he needed her to pursue him bc he was feeling vulnerable. His feelings could have been all over the place- guilt for what happened with the baby, scared she didn't love him bc they could'nt have kids...who knows! Her staying away instead of reassuring him that she loved him regardless could have been to their detriment. She paints him as a player and running around with Mani, but he probably needed his wife but didn't know how to ask for help.
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Prince didn't want people in his business. What was he supposed to say 'things are on the rocks'? It's a magazine article so of course he said everything was wonderful. As for Mani- once Prince got Mayte to sign the annullment, I bet she was happy- 'I'm not messing with a married man, etc.' Let's face it, P probably got it annulled for the same reason. He had a moral compass and didn't want to see himself as a cheater. The annullment helped him sleep at night...
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He got away with his behavior because he was the boss. Plain and simple. You know that he learned something from exhaustion? Do you even realize how that comes across?
Once again have you ever been in a relationship with a man. Guys do not go around burning shit unless something bad as gone down. I still think Mayte got tired of his crap and ran off with some other dude which to be fair leaving your wife in another country and having a mistress back home is bound to cause this to happen.
He made the stituation and then could not handle it when he got a taste of his own medince.
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I have to agree with you, Laura, that something serious must have happened for him to have that kind of behaviour. It does seem quite an extreme... reaction. I think this is the correct word: reaction. | |
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It is a reaction. What was his reactio to M2 filing for divorce. Knocking two homes to the ground and now I think that may have been a reaction to something going on between M2 and Eric the whole Smitty Boykin $50k loan is very weird. | |
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