The women is telling different stories. First she is not sure and is down playing it. And now all of a sudden she is sure. I know you saw her recent interviews. When controversial topics are brought up she down plays it but it the book she is big and bold on what she is claiming. She is not believeable. She should state who her source is. She has no problem putting very personal information and moments in the book but want to keep the source of the information a secret. I believe she has no idea what happen to the ashes and is making up stories as to why she does not have it. All the years Prince been around all of a sudden she talking about this story someone told her. If she really thought it was true she would have put it out there a long time ago but she too busy looking to get in a Prince concert for free and doing reality show.
All she claims in the book is that someone told her that that is what happened, and that, quite understandably, that made her angry. Why should she reveal her source, if she thinks that would cause shit for that person? She tells the story from her perspective, and she never claims otherwise. As LBrent suggests, it still leaves open the question of whether he did actually do it, or whether she was misled. All Mayte tells us is that is what she was told and she believed it. And it is very very obvious why she didn't make a stink about it while he was alive, just as its obvious why she didn't name their child in public while he was alive...she still loved him, he still had considerable power over her, and she still wanted his approval ...so she didn't want to do anything to hurt him or make him angry with her. Y'know we're dealing with Prince here right? The guy who sued a woman for a video of a dancing baby? I wouldn't want to piss him off. And if we were estanged and only ocassionally spoke to each other, I think I'd seriously think twice (three, four, a hundred times) before barrellling in and asking him if he burnt our child's remains.
Was she worried about createing a shit storm for other people she mention it the book? If it was not a big deal to her and she is over it, why mention it? She has no proof it happened. Only when pushed she is a claiming she spoke to Prince about, before that was left out of her story. Who knows if she really talk to him and what they spoke about. He is gone so she can claim anything. I don't understand why it is a crime to question someone's story. I also don't understand how I am being label as not being compassionate because question her ever changing story.
I don't get this, at all. She doesn't give an explanation of why she didn't have the ashes because its obvious, she was bereaved, depressed, and her marriage was breaking down in actually a very confusing and unclear way, and then she probably just wanted to run away from the whole thing for a while and put herself back together, so she left them in PP, probably assuming they would be safe there...and then at some point later, she found out that they weren't. It's totally possible to make an assumption about something when you're feeling fucked up, and then a bit later, when you're not feeling so fucked up, realize you made a misguided assumption, or that something you assumed was fine may not be...it's also possible to forget/repress something, and then remember it later. Seriously, people who go through fucked up things don't behave consistently, or have perfectly linear thoughts and responses to things, and that is normal. What would not be normal is behaving like the perfectly rational and consistent automaton that people who seem to have no empathy with how traumatic shit screws you up seem to think people should behave. You know what this really reminds me of, people who disbelieve women who have been sexually assuaulted because they say inconsistent things, or don't behave completely rationally when they're tramatized, or don't realize immediately how messed up shit is and immediately rectify it, or who remember things later, and who then get called liars, and all manner of other crap - very often by other women who don't actually know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced it. Really, it's beginning to make me angry.
What does sex assault have to do with what we are talking about. I feel if someone is saying different things, that makes their story unbelievable. You can't say different things and expect to be believed. What she says in interviews is a different story from what she is saying in the book. Be angry. I said noting wrong. Just because I question her story does not mean, I have no compassion for her or other women.
I think it was used as an example of how details may get lost or jumbled over time.
I've been a fan since P's first album, but after all these years, I can't tell you exactly what year. That's important to some folks, but it wasn't something I ever really tried to pinpoint...until threads here would ask when folks became fans. So I estimated. I know I was either 16 or just turning 17, so that would be either late 1977 or early 1978. But I don't remember an exact date. I do remember a few things about a part time job I had and listening to Soft & Wet on the radio.
Now I might've said 1977 to someone then said 1978 to someone else...and if they were detail oriented it might seem that I lied to one of them cuz the dates change, but fact is I know the general details and try to convey them as truthfully as possible but they may conflict cuz I don't really remember exactly.
What I'd find interesting is to be questioned like I'm on Law & Order about it all cuz it was my life, I was there...I'm only trying to share, why does the exact date matter so much in the grand scheme of the questioner's life that they'd sweat me about it? But you'd be surprised , or maybe not, that there are folks who live to do just that...about every topic, big or small. It's who they are, and that's fine, but I don't feel the need to defend my reality to fit some picture they need to have in their mind about my reality.
Know what? I don't even bother to defend myself to them. Know why? Cuz I tried to be truthful and my intent was to share and if it goes unappreciated, oh well.
I don't get this, at all. She doesn't give an explanation of why she didn't have the ashes because its obvious, she was bereaved, depressed, and her marriage was breaking down in actually a very confusing and unclear way, and then she probably just wanted to run away from the whole thing for a while and put herself back together, so she left them in PP, probably assuming they would be safe there...and then at some point later, she found out that they weren't. It's totally possible to make an assumption about something when you're feeling fucked up, and then a bit later, when you're not feeling so fucked up, realize you made a misguided assumption, or that something you assumed was fine may not be...it's also possible to forget/repress something, and then remember it later. Seriously, people who go through fucked up things don't behave consistently, or have perfectly linear thoughts and responses to things, and that is normal. What would not be normal is behaving like the perfectly rational and consistent automaton that people who seem to have no empathy with how traumatic shit screws you up seem to think people should behave. You know what this really reminds me of, people who disbelieve women who have been sexually assuaulted because they say inconsistent things, or don't behave completely rationally when they're tramatized, or don't realize immediately how messed up shit is and immediately rectify it, or who remember things later, and who then get called liars, and all manner of other crap - very often by other women who don't actually know what they're talking about because they haven't experienced it. Really, it's beginning to make me angry.
What does sex assault have to do with what we are talking about. I feel if someone is saying different things, that makes their story unbelievable. You can't say different things and expect to be believed. What she says in interviews is a different story from what she is saying in the book. Be angry. I said noting wrong. Just because I question her story does not mean, I have no compassion for her or other women.
I think it was used as an example of how details may get lost or jumbled over time.
I've been a fan since P's first album, but after all these years, I can't tell you exactly what year. That's important to some folks, but it wasn't something I ever really tried to pinpoint...until threads here would ask when folks became fans. So I estimated. I know I was either 16 or just turning 17, so that would be either late 1977 or early 1978. But I don't remember an exact date. I do remember a few things about a part time job I had and listening to Soft & Wet on the radio.
Now I might've said 1977 to someone then said 1978 to someone else...and if they were detail oriented it might seem that I lied to one of them cuz the dates change, but fact is I know the general details and try to convey them as truthfully as possible but they may conflict cuz I don't really remember exactly.
What I'd find interesting is to be questioned like I'm on Law & Order about it all cuz it was my life, I was there...I'm only trying to share, why does the exact date matter so much in the grand scheme of the questioner's life that they'd sweat me about it? But you'd be surprised , or maybe not, that there are folks who live to do just that...about every topic, big or small. It's who they are, and that's fine, but I don't feel the need to defend my reality to fit some picture they need to have in their mind about my reality.
Know what? I don't even bother to defend myself to them. Know why? Cuz I tried to be truthful and my intent was to share and if it goes unappreciated, oh well.
I really don't know why everyone is making excuses for Prince for what he did to the ashes. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
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I still love the man and his music, but damn this is down right hideous.
I'm definetly not making excuses for him; I just will not believe that it happened until the person/people that were there and saw it state so publicily. I refuse to assume this is the truth based upon the statement "someone told me". You make an acccusation that will be considered by many as a vile act committed by the child's father; and yet you refuse to state who told you the information, so that this information can be collaborated? We are just to believe and accept that he did this? Personally, I just won't. Furthermore, if someone does step up and say, "yep, I was there and I saw it"; were the ashes actually in the urn? Like someone keeps asking, "how do you burn ashes"? Isn't it also a posibility that Prince did indeed spread the ashes somewhere and just disposed of everything else? For all we know his dad's, his son's and Prince's remains are all in the same urn at PP. Why are so many people who profess to love Prince, care about his legagcy and are his "fam", so quick to believe this is true when MG won't reveal the source of this information?
I really don't know why everyone is making excuses for Prince for what he did to the ashes. Wrong is wrong is wrong.
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I still love the man and his music, but damn this is down right hideous.
I'm definetly not making excuses for him; I just will not believe that it happened until the person/people that were there and saw it state so publicily. I refuse to assume this is the truth based upon the statement "someone told me". You make an acccusation that will be considered by many as a vile act committed by the child's father; and yet you refuse to state who told you the information, so that this information can be collaborated? We are just to believe and accept that he did this? Personally, I just won't. Furthermore, if someone does step up and say, "yep, I was there and I saw it"; were the ashes actually in the urn? Like someone keeps asking, "how do you burn ashes"? Isn't it also a posibility that Prince did indeed spread the ashes somewhere and just disposed of everything else? For all we know his dad's, his son's and Prince's remains are all in the same urn at PP. Why are so many people who profess to love Prince, care about his legagcy and are his "fam", so quick to believe this is true when MG won't reveal the source of this information?
Personally, I think Mayte is being naive by believing what she was told, but I also think she accepted it as fact. was upset and afraid to confront him...but after the book and revisiting those long ago events she might be ready to reconsider what she was told back then and rethinking who told her and their possible reasons for not telling the truth.
In my heart, I don't think this occured to her back then, but it might now that she's been away from the purple bubble awhile...and regardless, my heart doesn't accept that P would willfully destroy Amiir's ashes...the empty urn? Possibly, but not with the ashes still in it.
What does sex assault have to do with what we are talking about. I feel if someone is saying different things, that makes their story unbelievable. You can't say different things and expect to be believed. What she says in interviews is a different story from what she is saying in the book. Be angry. I said noting wrong. Just because I question her story does not mean, I have no compassion for her or other women.
It is obvious that the 2 or 3 people who are stanning so hard for Mayte in this thread HATE Prince. They would much rather believe horrible things about him than face the many, many facts that have been pointed out about Mayte's conflicting "different stories" and now this "confirmation" of him burning the ashes. Again, all she did was say "yes, he did" without providing any concrete evidence. Apparently everybody has to back up what Prince said or did with CONCRETE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, but when Mayte "says" something, it's gospel. Even the videos tapes from that era where she is saying/doing something different from what she wrote are dismissed by these individuals. I really wonder what they are doing on a PRINCE fan forum besides calling his real supporters "haters" and "sh*t disturbers". SMH
What does sex assault have to do with what we are talking about. I feel if someone is saying different things, that makes their story unbelievable. You can't say different things and expect to be believed. What she says in interviews is a different story from what she is saying in the book. Be angry. I said noting wrong. Just because I question her story does not mean, I have no compassion for her or other women.
It is obvious that the 2 or 3 people who are stanning so hard for Mayte in this thread HATE Prince. They would much rather believe horrible things about him than face the many, many facts that have been pointed out about Mayte's conflicting "different stories" and now this "confirmation" of him burning the ashes. Again, all she did was say "yes, he did" without providing any concrete evidence. Apparently everybody has to back up what Prince said or did with CONCRETE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, but when Mayte "says" something, it's gospel. Even the videos tapes from that era where she is saying/doing something different from what she wrote are dismissed by these individuals. I really wonder what they are doing on a PRINCE fan forum besides calling his real supporters "haters" and "sh*t disturbers". SMH
This might be Prince.org, which is ALL things to do with Prince including his wives and ho's. And you are on a Book Club Thread (that has mod approval) where we ARE discussing the book. Now you can always go troll the 5 other threads about Mayte or Vanity, if you don't like what we are discussing here. Nobody is making you read this thread or comment on it. We can love the man, but that doesn't mean we have to like his actions....
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I don't care what anyone says. I think what Mayte is saying is the truth. Nobody seems to know a thing about that urn and ashes.....hmmmmmm......
It is obvious that the 2 or 3 people who are stanning so hard for Mayte in this thread HATE Prince. They would much rather believe horrible things about him than face the many, many facts that have been pointed out about Mayte's conflicting "different stories" and now this "confirmation" of him burning the ashes. Again, all she did was say "yes, he did" without providing any concrete evidence. Apparently everybody has to back up what Prince said or did with CONCRETE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE, but when Mayte "says" something, it's gospel. Even the videos tapes from that era where she is saying/doing something different from what she wrote are dismissed by these individuals. I really wonder what they are doing on a PRINCE fan forum besides calling his real supporters "haters" and "sh*t disturbers". SMH
This might be Prince.org, which is ALL things to do with Prince including his wives and ho's. And you are on a Book Club Thread (that has mod approval) where we ARE discussing the book. Now you can always go troll the 5 other threads about Mayte or Vanity, if you don't like what we are discussing here. Nobody is making you read this thread or comment on it. We can love the man, but that doesn't mean we have to like his actions....
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I don't care what anyone says. I think what Mayte is saying is the truth. Nobody seems to know a thing about that urn and ashes.....hmmmmmm......
Simply because someone disagrees about your viewpoint and IS discussing the book does not make them a troll. As I've said, it is your camp that is calling people names for pointing out the things she's written about that make no sense or can be easily addressed as false.
In Prince's and Mayte's defense. They may have processed Amir's death differently. From his spiritual perspective Amir's body would die but his soul would live forever, so he wouldn't have been as concerned about needing a physical memory of their child, but out of respect for Mayte who may have insisted on a physical memory, he obliged. This would have explained why, if he did as crazy as it sounds, throw any reminder of his son into the fire because this act, in Prince's mind, would finally eliminate all traces of the reality that Amir actually existed. Out of sight out of mind and maybe a bit spiteful. I assume. [Edited 4/24/17 17:05pm]
I just watched a video from Wall Strret Journal on FB where she said Prince never talked about children until the night they got married! I read the book and in it she says he started talking about babies as soon as she said she would marry him on the phone. Kinda strange ... which is correct? Only she knows!!
This might be Prince.org, which is ALL things to do with Prince including his wives and ho's. And you are on a Book Club Thread (that has mod approval) where we ARE discussing the book. Now you can always go troll the 5 other threads about Mayte or Vanity, if you don't like what we are discussing here. Nobody is making you read this thread or comment on it. We can love the man, but that doesn't mean we have to like his actions....
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I don't care what anyone says. I think what Mayte is saying is the truth. Nobody seems to know a thing about that urn and ashes.....hmmmmmm......
Simply because someone disagrees about your viewpoint and IS discussing the book does not make them a troll. As I've said, it is your camp that is calling people names for pointing out the things she's written about that make no sense or can be easily addressed as false.
This is about the book and what is written in the book. You keep posting the same thing on 5 other threads. WE get it, you hate her, we don't care, we are discussing the book and you have done everything possible to derail this thread.
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It's like I said before we can each read the same book and see things differently. Not everybody see's things in black & white, not everyone see's things in color.
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The discussion of this book was moving along smoothly until people couldn't stand it that we were civil and actually enjoying a discussion. SMDH
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Why don't you start a thread, "Mayte is a Liar"? Because right now this thread is about what is written in the book.
I just watched a video from Wall Strret Journal on FB where she said Prince never talked about children until the night they got married! I read the book and in it she says he started talking about babies as soon as she said she would marry him on the phone. Kinda strange ... which is correct? Only she knows!!
You and I read the same book. She also wrote they never went on dates and then in another interview said they went to the movies all the time. Go figure.
This might be Prince.org, which is ALL things to do with Prince including his wives and ho's. And you are on a Book Club Thread (that has mod approval) where we ARE discussing the book. Now you can always go troll the 5 other threads about Mayte or Vanity, if you don't like what we are discussing here. Nobody is making you read this thread or comment on it. We can love the man, but that doesn't mean we have to like his actions....
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I don't care what anyone says. I think what Mayte is saying is the truth. Nobody seems to know a thing about that urn and ashes.....hmmmmmm......
Simply because someone disagrees about your viewpoint and IS discussing the book does not make them a troll. As I've said, it is your camp that is calling people names for pointing out the things she's written about that make no sense or can be easily addressed as false.
Please see LBrent's response so aptly stated above regarding this type of situation of not having to prove one's truth. As already stated, no one cares. Mayte isnt on trial here and it's not a witchhunt. In a year or few years time, do you really think people are going remember let alone care what Prince did or didnt do. The book has been read and discused. Time to move on.
Simply because someone disagrees about your viewpoint and IS discussing the book does not make them a troll. As I've said, it is your camp that is calling people names for pointing out the things she's written about that make no sense or can be easily addressed as false.
Please see LBrent's response so aptly stated above regarding this type of situation of not having to prove one's truth. As already stated, no one cares. Mayte isnt on trial here and it's not a witchhunt. In a year or few years time, do you really think people are going remember let alone care what Prince did or didnt do. The book has been read and discused. Time to move on.
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I would suggest the same to you. If you are done discussing it, then move on. If others want to continue discussing it, what is the problem? Who decides when others are "done"?
Also, NOW, when asked about the urn she's "forgiven him". That sure wasn't in the book.
Well she didn't say directly that she forgave him in the book but she did say that the anger was hot and lasted a long time. I got the impression from the words she used in the book that she'd forgiven him and was over it.
And honestly, if he did that then she'd have the right to angry for the rest of her life. That was a terrible thing to do. Why not ask give them to her if she was just gonna have them destroyed?? Surely he had to know she would have wanted them. I know he'd moved and everything but dang... that was just callous. She probably wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time of the split but I wouldn't have signed the divorce papers until I had the ashes in my possession. Esp if that's all she wanted. But I understand that hindsight is 20/20.
I would suggest the same to you. If you are done discussing it, then move on. If others want to continue discussing it, what is the problem? Who decides when others are "done"?
But you aren't discussing the book. Where were you from Chapter 1, the only reason you came over here is to troll. That's pretty plain to see.
I just watched a video from Wall Strret Journal on FB where she said Prince never talked about children until the night they got married! I read the book and in it she says he started talking about babies as soon as she said she would marry him on the phone. Kinda strange ... which is correct? Only she knows!!
You and I read the same book. She also wrote they never went on dates and then in another interview said they went to the movies all the time. Go figure.
Maybe at the time going to the movies in her mind wasn't a date. Who cares? This isn't a federal case. This thread is to discuss the book not ferret out any slight inconsistency compared to every interview she has ever done. In fact if everything was totally the same, I would be more suspect because that would look rehearsed to me. Answers can be slightly different depending on the specific question. If you're looking for ppl to MG bash just for the sake of not liking her, you won't find them here. There are other threads for that or start your own. Peace.
Maybe at the time going to the movies in her mind wasn't a date. Who cares? This isn't a federal case. This thread is to discuss the book not ferret out any slight inconsistency compared to every interview she has ever done. In fact if everything was totally the same, I would be more suspect because that would look rehearsed to me. Answers can be slightly different depending on the specific question. If you're looking for ppl to MG bash just for the sake of not liking her, you won't find them here. There are other threads for that or start your own. Peace.
Also, NOW, when asked about the urn she's "forgiven him". That sure wasn't in the book.
Well she didn't say directly that she forgave him in the book but she did say that the anger was hot and lasted a long time. I got the impression from the words she used in the book that she'd forgiven him and was over it.
And honestly, if he did that then she'd have the right to angry for the rest of her life. That was a terrible thing to do. Why not ask give them to her if she was just gonna have them destroyed?? Surely he had to know she would have wanted them. I know he'd moved and everything but dang... that was just callous. She probably wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time of the split but I wouldn't have signed the divorce papers until I had the ashes in my possession. Esp if that's all she wanted. But I understand that hindsight is 20/20.
As a woman and mother I believe either a) in his mind that was not his child, because it’s the soul that is important not the body, so she is accepting of what happened based on that or b) she has no other information and the person who told her is a 'reliable source’ so she must accept it or it will make her crazy thinking about it and being mad, hurt, angry, sad... her entire life.
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Now, I choose to believe that he did not do this. Not based on any information what so ever, but I am going to believe either the child’s ashes are buried somewhere or they are somewhere yet to be found.
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Just as an aside. My sister thinks I’m awful because i hardly ever visit my parents’ gravesite. My reply is, I don’t have to stand in front of a granite rock to talk to mom and dad.
Sorry, I don’t mean to be insensitive. Perhaps she in some way feels the same at this point. She can ‘talk’ to her son without looking at a pile of ashes. (Hope I didn’t offend anyone.)
I have noticed a few inconsistancies too..There is a recent you tube Video where she says they had never talked about having children until he Played her Lets have a baby on their wedding Night...YET in the book there is tht Letter that Prince wrote to her telling her that he never wanted Babies with anyone else but her....there are others...but I can be bothered...WHatever...Book was a good read..I finished it in one sitting....
Long times Fans will love him forever
New Fans wont get so caught up in details because its all about his Music now...
not Mayte...not Manuela or A,B,C,D E xyz
( I think he did move through the entire alphabet didnt he ? )
Wait..Alphabet street is about something else...LOL
Yeah, I noticed that inconsistency too. What interview was it in which she said that they never talked about children? Was it the Primetime Justice HLN interview?
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Yeah, I noticed that inconsistency too. What interview was it in which she said that they never talked about children? Was it the Primetime Justice HLN interview?
I don't believe any of the details Mayte was told about the burning of her and the baby's belongings because I believe Manuela is the one who told her, with the express purpose of hurting Mayte.
There's an old saying...A liar will steal and a thief will kill.
Manuela has proven herself untrustworthy and deceitful and lacking integrity and morals, sooooooo...
She is going on these shows to sell her book. She probably doesn't want to give away all the details, she wants you to be intrigued by what she says so you will buy the book. All authors do this, some are better at it than others. She doesn't seem very polished most times to me but that doesn't make her a liar.
Well she didn't say directly that she forgave him in the book but she did say that the anger was hot and lasted a long time. I got the impression from the words she used in the book that she'd forgiven him and was over it.
And honestly, if he did that then she'd have the right to angry for the rest of her life. That was a terrible thing to do. Why not ask give them to her if she was just gonna have them destroyed?? Surely he had to know she would have wanted them. I know he'd moved and everything but dang... that was just callous. She probably wasn't in the right frame of mind at the time of the split but I wouldn't have signed the divorce papers until I had the ashes in my possession. Esp if that's all she wanted. But I understand that hindsight is 20/20.
As a woman and mother I believe either a) in his mind that was not his child, because it’s the soul that is important not the body, so she is accepting of what happened based on that or b) she has no other information and the person who told her is a 'reliable source’ so she must accept it or it will make her crazy thinking about it and being mad, hurt, angry, sad... her entire life.
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Now, I choose to believe that he did not do this. Not based on any information what so ever, but I am going to believe either the child’s ashes are buried somewhere or they are somewhere yet to be found.
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Just as an aside. My sister thinks I’m awful because i hardly ever visit my parents’ gravesite. My reply is, I don’t have to stand in front of a granite rock to talk to mom and dad.
Sorry, I don’t mean to be insensitive. Perhaps she in some way feels the same at this point. She can ‘talk’ to her son without looking at a pile of ashes. (Hope I didn’t offend anyone.)
Every being processes and deals with grief differently. I've never visited my father's grave since his funeral. In my belief system, he's not there. He was my world. I talk to him all the time. He is always with me. I've had many losses over my lifetime thus far, including another more catastrophic loss as well. Same thing. Someone else may think I'm cold or whatever, but that's okay. I respect their right to love and grieve in their own way, whatever that is, as I do in my way.
I can tell you that neither Mayte nor P ever got over the loss of Amiir. If they chose to grieve differently than I would, that is their right. If they chose to grieve differently from each other, that is also each of their rights...it's just a shame that apparently they weren't able to grieve fully together, but such is the nature of dharma and life and imperfect humans.
I believe that in whatever existance awaits after this life is completed, there is a somewhere wherein P was reunited with Amiir, and hopefully their energies are safe and happy and await Mayte's energy to eventually arrive and reunite their family for a time...perhaps.
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