I'll look through the forum to find it. So sorry about your dog, we love our pets don't we? I sure do. Hope you'll be able to retrieve your pictures! thanks! (ps, get an apple computer no virus and everything is automatically in icloud.) | |
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Once everyone has read the entire book and has time to reflect, it will be very interesting to discuss particular events such as the suspected "male assistant" being upset by being asked to burn the belongings. It is one of the most upsetting events of the story to me. Food for thought in the meantime though - perhaps he did keep the ashes. I find it hard to believe, as attentive as he was to Amir in his short little life that P would disrespect his remains. He chose an urn for them - indicating this would be where they would remain. I find it very strange that the urn for P is a replica of PP and believe that I read somewhere that P's ashes are within a container inside of a certain portion of the replica. Is it possible that Amir's ashes could also now be within the PP replica? "Remember when you told me that love was touching souls?" ☔️ A Case of You ☔️ | |
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LBrent said:
^^^THIS^^^
Yup You have expressed this so well - thank you for posting this!!! "Remember when you told me that love was touching souls?" ☔️ A Case of You ☔️ | |
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Thank you. | |
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I was sitting in church yesterday for Holy Thursday Mass and the following thoughts came to my mind. I hope none of these are offensive to anyone. I want to get them off of my chest. . I am grateful that Mayte shared about she and 's beloved son, Amiir. As I was sitting in church, trying to focus on Mass, my mind kept wandering to , Mayte, and Amiir, as it does in various places (not just at church). And thinking about Amiir, and the fact that he only lived for 6 days, his story reminded me to appreciate my life. Sometimes, it's easy to become caught up in the hustle and bustle of life and forget that life is a precious gift. . We are all given 1 life. Amiir's life lasted all of 6 days. Prior to 's death, we knew very little about he and Mayte's beloved son, not even his name. We knew him only as "Boy Gregory," that he had Pfeiffer Syndrome type 2, that he was born on 10/16/1996 to Mayte and , that he lived for 6 days, that implied that the song "Comeback" was about his son, and a few other things. For 20 years, he didn't have much of an identity; he was like a John Doe. . By sharing about Amiir publicly and describing him in her book, Mayte has given new life to him in a way, by giving him (a) an identity and (b) a legacy. . She started giving him an identity months ago, after our beloved Prince died, when she shared Amiir's name publicly for the first time. With this book, I feel that she has also given her son a legacy. . When I talk about legacy, here is what I mean: . * was so overjoyed to be a father to Amiir that he put his heartbeat on the track "Sex in the Summer." . * Amiir Nelson brought out the best in his daddy. His daddy was a man who is one of the greatest musicians to ever live and whom millions of people adore. Yet during his short life, Amiir brought out a level of devotion and unconditional love from his father, Prince , that was unique, that Prince never showed to anyone else. . * wrote songs about Amiir, 2 of which have been released ("Comeback" and "Until U're in My Arms Again"). . * was so devastated by Amiir's death that never publicly acknowledged that Amiir was gone. . * Amiir's loss was so devastating that it was a major reason why and Mayte divorced. . * The loss of Amiir ultimately led Mayte to adopt Gia. . Considering that he only lived 6 days, that's a pretty significant legacy to have. . We all want to leave a legacy. We all want to know that our lives are meaningful and important. Amiir never had the chance to contemplate these issues, because he died as an infant. His father, so heartbroken over Amiir's death, never spoke the name Amiir publicly and never publicly acknowledged that Amiir had died. So Mayte is the only person who could give him an identity and a legacy. And she has. . It wasn't easy for her to give her son the gifts of an identity and a legacy because giving him these gifts meant that she had to SACRIFICE by re-living the unspeakable pain that came from his death and its aftermath. I applaud her for making that sacrifice, and thereby giving Amiir an identity and a legacy because he EXISTED and his life MATTERED. . If I had a time machine, I would bring both Amiir and his father back to life, but I can't. They are both dead. But the only reason we know Amiir's identity and his legacy is because of his mother, Mayte. . May God rest the soul of Amiir Nelson and his father Prince Rogers Nelson.
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I certainly hope they are found and they could have a happy ending. I haven't given up hope on this yet, but if this were the case, I'm sure they would've told Mayte. | |
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This made me cry! Very well put Michelle! | |
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This made me cry! Very well put Michelle! Love this! "Remember when you told me that love was touching souls?" ☔️ A Case of You ☔️ | |
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CooperC62057, regarding the sentences that I "highlighted," I feel the same way that you do. Given his well-established behavioral pattern of moving on, I wouldn't put it past Prince to have had the urn destroyed. However, I hold out hope that the urn still exists and that it will appear. I suppose that the hope is an act of faith ("Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen," Hebrews 11:1). [Edited 4/14/17 20:39pm] Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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I have been thinking along those lines also. Didn't one of P's assistants take a 'vacation' to Switzerland within days of P's death? Maybe Amiir's urn was in a Swiss bank vault with instructions that upon his death (P's) the ashes would be retrieved and co-mingled. Comeback: and father and son would remain together for eternity. | |
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I've never heard about an assistant of P's going to Switzerland, but the urn being in a Swiss bank account is an interesting possibility, to say the least. Have you ever posted this on the Estate thread (that is a sticky)? Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Michelle, Truly lovely thoughts. Happy Easter! ~~DD55 | |
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Yes ,I hope Mayte reads this | |
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I had qualms about buying the book because of how reserved about his life he was known to be. But, what you expressed here made the publication of the book worthwhile. Also, it dispelled any lingering suspicions regarding the baby's death. I read, there was even a police investigation at the time triggered by the nannies. Also, imho, Amiir's legacy through this book is raising wider awareness about Pfeiffer syndrome.
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I'm crying just reading this. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I love it. [Edited 4/14/17 22:12pm] | |
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It is hard to relate unless one tries to compare it to how soldiers behave in a battle field: they march on, they keep fighting. It is months/years afterwards that they begin to suffer what they went through. Some people who live through a tragic situation survive at first by pretending that everything is normal as usual, but this traumatic experience eventually catches up with them. | |
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Perhaps I could email it to her. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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roslyo, I totally agree that part of his legacy is raising wider awareness of Pfeiffer Syndrome. I would love to see a graph of the data on the number of web searches about Pfeiffer Syndrome over the last 5 years or so. My guess is that there was a probably big increase in searches about Pfeiffer Syndrome after Prince's death and another big increase in web searches since the press started covering Mayte's book. At the very least, Amiir brings name recognition to Pfeiffer Syndrome. . As a special education teacher, I have come to appreciate how hard of a job it is to be a parent of a child who has a significant disability. Given how well her book is selling, I hope that one of the "take-aways" people have from reading the book is more awareness of the struggles that families face in caring for children and adults who have significant disabilities. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Beautifully said!! Love it!! | |
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Just when I think it can't get any more heartwrenching...altho this chapter left me a mixture of angry and sad. I am one of those who firmly believe LG was very instramental in the demise of their marriage. Years and years ago I saw an interview P and LG did together and it was so ish! And when P was accepting some award once he got up on stage and called on LG to stand up and take a bow as he literally gushed about him. It all felt so weird at the time. Poor Mayte sitting there in the audience was trying so hard to look happy but it was forced. Don't even get me started on that creature who became his second wife. If I was Mayte I would have fired her myself and sent her on her way with the very clear message she was not welcome to return ever. UGH!!!!! I would never forgive her. Mayte is a much bigger person than I. Prince of course is not without blame, but I do cut him some slack because of the trauma he suffered so recently. Emotionally he would have been a mess. Otherwise he wouldn't have gotten so spellbound by all that LG mumbo jumbo and he wouldn't have been so easily played by M2. He got played people. Prince is the player. He was always the player. She played him. He was weak. Dammit lives were ruined. Hopes and dreams were crushed. How does anyone live with doing that to another person?!? Same with this LG business. How does one justify hurting people in the name of religion?? The whole burning thing is such a junior high move. These are grown ass men, deeply religious too they would have us believe. Really, what in the actual f***?!!? [Edited 4/15/17 0:14am] It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN | |
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Why a Swiss bank and not a mosoleum in Minnesota? | |
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The most important things I took from the book are these: I like Mayte and I think she got the worst of Prince and Princeworld; I am glad she called out Manuela for how she got Prince; I absolutely despise Larry Graham and the JW theology; The book is not a love letter to Prince - Mayte might still have loved him/does love him but he is not a sympathetic character. A musical genius but not loveable IMO. | |
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More privacy and CONTROL, you know, a Prince thing. | |
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Okay, maybe she should not call the book a love story and a honor to Prince then.
Also, unless she was a complete user/bonkers, why would she call a man who is 'unlovable' the love of her life?
Lastly, why hate on LG and Manuela so much? i=If Prince was so unlovable (no redeeming qualities and not at all sympathetic), then their agendas did Mayte a favor..they seperated her from an unsympathetic, unlovable man.
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Right now we are discussing the book chapter by chapter. We are not commenting on the book overall. If you want to bad mouth the book there are other threads for that. | |
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206Michelle said: I was sitting in church yesterday for Holy Thursday Mass and the following thoughts came to my mind. I hope none of these are offensive to anyone. I want to get them off of my chest. I am grateful that Mayte shared about she and 's beloved son, Amiir. As I was sitting in church, trying to focus on Mass, my mind kept wandering to , Mayte, and Amiir, as it does in various places (not just at church). And thinking about Amiir, and the fact that he only lived for 6 days, his story reminded me to appreciate my life. Sometimes, it's easy to become caught up in the hustle and bustle of life and forget that life is a precious gift. We are all given 1 life. Amiir's life lasted all of 6 days. Prior to 's death, we knew very little about he and Mayte's beloved son, not even his name. We knew him only as "Boy Gregory," that he had Pfeiffer Syndrome type 2, that he was born on 10/16/1996 to Mayte and , that he lived for 6 days, that implied that the song "Comeback" was about his son, and a few other things. For 20 years, he didn't have much of an identity; he was like a John Doe. By sharing about Amiir publicly and describing him in her book, Mayte has given new life to him in a way, by giving him (a) an identity and (b) a legacy. She started giving him an identity months ago, after our beloved Prince died, when she shared Amiir's name publicly for the first time. With this book, I feel that she has also given her son a legacy. When I talk about legacy, here is what I mean: * was so overjoyed to be a father to Amiir that he put his heartbeat on the track "Sex in the Summer." * Amiir Nelson brought out the best in his daddy. His daddy was a man who is one of the greatest musicians to ever live and whom millions of people adore. Yet during his short life, Amiir brought out a level of devotion and unconditional love from his father, Prince , that was unique, that Prince never showed to anyone else. * wrote songs about Amiir, 2 of which have been released ("Comeback" and "Until U're in My Arms Again"). * was so devastated by Amiir's death that never publicly acknowledged that Amiir was gone. * Amiir's loss was so devastating that it was a major reason why and Mayte divorced. * The loss of Amiir ultimately led Mayte to adopt Gia. Considering that he only lived 6 days, that's a pretty significant legacy to have. We all want to leave a legacy. ¿♢We all want to know that our lives are meaningful and important. Amiir never had the chance to contemplate these issues, because he died as an infant. His father, so heartbroken over Amiir's death, never spoke the name Amiir publicly and never publicly acknowledged that Amiir had died. So Mayte is the only person who could give him an identity and a legacy. And she has. It wasn't easy for her to give her son the gifts of an identity and a legacy because giving him these gifts meant that she had to SACRIFICE by re-living the unspeakable pain that came from his death and its aftermath. I applaud her for making that sacrifice, and thereby giving Amiir an identity and a legacy because he EXISTED and his life MATTERED. If I had a time machine, I would bring both Amiir and his father back to life, but I can't. They are both dead. But the only reason we know Amiir's identity and his legacy is because of his mother, Mayte. May God rest the soul of Amiir Nelson and his father Prince Rogers Nelson. [Edited 4/14/17 20:17pm] [Edited 4/14/17 20:18pm] [Edited 4/14/17 20:36pm] Yes, 206 Michelle, this is really beautiful. I do believe Amiir's fleeting time with Mayte and Prince left a powerful impact....one that reverberated thru their lives in ways they couldn't have imagined. Interesting how this chapter stays with you...Mayte described this event with the utmost respect for Prince and Amiir. "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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Hello all, just wanna say thank you for this thread it is excellent and all your contributions are awesome. I too am in the camp of supporters for Mayte in writing her story and knew in my heart it would not take away from our love for Prince. Am I mad and confused at some of the decisions he made, hell yes!!! But my love for Prince and his music will not go away. +++ Much love to Mayte and everyone here contributing to this book club!
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Actually I am not badmouthing the book here.
I am challenging some of ISasha's notions. If he/she likes Mayte, then he/she would have to believe in her sincerity when she says this book is a love story and he/she should maybe read the book with that in mind? Didn't Mayte in her book refer to the "good, bad, beautiful, and sad" of Prince. ISasha is either focusing on only the 'bad' or Mayte missed the mark in depicting the 'good', "beautiful' and "sad".
Plus, hating on JW's/Manuela as a result of this book would mean that hated what happened to Prince's and Mayte's relationship as a result...Why? If he is completely unsympathetic?
Oh, and are people only allowed to like the book on this thread? You can Call me out for having not read the whole thing. But dictating what people should feel about the book on this thread is unfair. By the way, I probably will read the entire book. I have read a ton by osmosis, snippets, etc, but I don't have the heart to give her money for it right now. I probably will check it out of a library.
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If you haven't read the book in it's entirety or at least up to chapter 10, then why are you here? Fact is, (like I just explained to someone else) If you read the book, come on over and discuss it. Right now we are discussing the individual Chapters, there will be plenty of time, when we are done with the chapters to discuss the book in full. I never said if you don't like the book you can not comment. What was said...is....This discussion will be civil on this thread, there is not to be any shit slinging, lies, insulting other members for their opinions. If you can abide by those rules, WELCOME, If you can't abide by those rules (as in your above post) then you are NOT welcome. . This thread isn't just for lovers of Mayte and the book, this thread is for discussion OF the book. . If your posting on this thread is like what you posted above, that is not welcome and will be reported to the MOD, that I am working with on this thread. . And seriously, you haven't read the book, you are just over here to start trouble......which is nonsense. You have no right to challenge anything, because YOU HAVEN'T read the book. This is a BOOK CLUB! [Edited 4/15/17 8:01am] [Edited 4/15/17 8:02am] | |
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