PennyPurple said:

DD55 said:

Am I the only one who sees a huge contradiction here? P doesn’t want her to get medical help because things should be left 'in God’s hands' but he is ok with his son getting multiple surgeries? IDK. Maybe because it’s so upsetting that I’m not understanding the situation.

I think because he wanted to do every thing possible to save the baby, no matter what. They just wanted their baby.

DD555, I totally agree that I see a contradiction with how he handled medical decisions. Some of them, he left in God's hands, but with Amiir, he wanted every last surgery.

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PennyPurple, I totally agree.

DD55 said:

PennyPurple said:

I know it's sad, but I would like to give Chapter 9 some time to discuss.

Penny, No worries, I see now that the club does need more time. I let my sadness rule me.

It is very sad.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

DD55 said:

Unfortunately No, I can’t imagine the AGNPH&GRI across from Paisley Park.

Wouldn’t have happened. P would never have allowed something like that. Remember his comment about the human genome and ‘God’ talk.

Prince didn’t get it, God and Science can live together.

The sad part is he and Matye could have used IVF for the second baby insuring it was a healthy embryo and successful fully monitered pregnancy most likely brought to term.

Remember this is Prince we're talking about. I wouldn't mind being wrong.

DD55: with great sadness, I think you're right. I was just besotted with the thoughth/vision that this was a man, one in a zillion, who had the resources, rumored love of people and grandness of vision to have been able to pull this off and bring (medical) healing (not just musical healing) to millions. The memory of his son would have lived for generations and beyond and his and Mayte's love would have been memorialized. Instead, we have a fakey annulment, possible adultery (and probable emotional betrayel) and a bonfire. What was I thinking?

I thought it sounded great cuz many years ago in an intervew P said he wanted to build a children' s hospital in the area across from PP.

It was his idea.

amethyst68 said:

206Michelle said:

Neither Prince nor Mayte have ever confirmed that this song is about the death of their son, but I think it's painfully obvious that it is. If you listen to it, you can hear crying/breaking down while he sings. (By the way, the song is on YouTube. I won't put up the link, but it's there.)

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Until U're in My Arms Again (from Newpower Soul, 1998)

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All of my life I've never wanted anyone like I wanted you
Every night I said a prayer to God and his angels
I'm sure they knew
The many tears that I'd have to cry
If I ever had to leave your side

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CHORUS:
Until you're in my arms again
I know this pain will never end
This broken heart will never mend
Until you're in my arms again

Every mornin' when I awaken, I imagine you sleepin' in your bed
Wrong or right the reason you're taken from my embrace
Well, it's never said
'Cause every day that you don't return
Is another day that my heart just yearns and yearns
That's why

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CHORUS

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If life remains a mystery
Then there's no reason to the rhyme
And you, you'll never know what you mean to me till you're mine, all mine

Until you're in my arms again
Until you're in my arms again
Until you're in my arms again

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CHORUS

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Until you're, until you're, until you're in my arms again!
No, ain't never gonna end
Never gonna mend
Until you're back, right back in my arms again

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I'll never see like others see
(I know that you'll come back to me)
I know you're gonna come right back to me (Come on back to me)
And this time you will never leave my arms again
(Never leave my arms again)

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Until you're in my arms again
Until you're in my arms again
Until you're in my arms again
Come on back, baby
Come on back
Come on back

Until you're in my arms again
Until you're in my arms again

I've always thought this was a song for his son [Edited 4/13/17 18:37pm]

Me too. Once I read the excerpt of the book in People where Mayte writes that she and prayed every night for their son, then that provided very solid confirmation that the song was about Amiir. It surprises me a little bit that she did not mention this song specifically in the book.

precioux said:

CooperC62057 said:

Mayte says in the book that a "compassionate friend" told her that she had heard (don't think this was Manuela) that P's assistant was upset that HE had been asked to burn Mayte and Amir's belongings, including the crib. It was a MALE assistant! Anyone know of a male assistant other than Kirk?

I went back and re-read that portion of the book. You are correct-(top of page 264, since we're not allowed to quote). Two things: 1. If this assistant was a male, Kirk is probably the one who did all of P's bidding for the last 30 years, and if in fact that is the case-knowing Kirk was his Best man and Kirk's brother officiated the wedding ceremony, I have absolutely no respect for him,period! 2. Being that M2 called Mayte on at least 2 other occasions to "spill the beans" (not saying the other instances yet,as we are not to that portion of the book discussion)I have absolutely not doubt that she was the one who stated "it's all gone,I'm so sorry"... CooperC62507,thanks for clearing up the wording, but now my blood is boiling

Thanks for pointing out the page. It does say that a compassionate friend said that she'd heard it from his asst, who (by the wording) is a male.

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So a female told her about the incident, but a male did it.

CooperC62057 said:

PennyPurple said:

That idea has been tossed around by many of us.

Mayte says in the book that a "compassionate friend" told her that she had heard (don't think this was Manuela) that P's assistant was upset that HE had been asked to burn Mayte and Amir's belongings, including the crib. It was a MALE assistant! Anyone know of a male assistant other than Kirk?

See, my hunch is that Manuela didn't burn the items because if she did, and admitted that to Mayte, I don't see how Mayte could be so friendly with her. It just doesn't make sense...especially the ashes.

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I suspect that Kirk may have done it alsio. I wonder if Mayte knows who exactly burned the items. I'm also curious what her relationship is like with Kirk today.

precioux said:

CooperC62057 said:

Mayte says in the book that a "compassionate friend" told her that she had heard (don't think this was Manuela) that P's assistant was upset that HE had been asked to burn Mayte and Amir's belongings, including the crib. It was a MALE assistant! Anyone know of a male assistant other than Kirk?

I went back and re-read that portion of the book. You are correct-(top of page 264, since we're not allowed to quote). Two things: 1. If this assistant was a male, Kirk is probably the one who did all of P's bidding for the last 30 years, and if in fact that is the case-knowing Kirk was his Best man and Kirk's brother officiated the wedding ceremony, I have absolutely no respect for him,period! 2. Being that M2 called Mayte on at least 2 other occasions to "spill the beans" (not saying the other instances yet,as we are not to that portion of the book discussion)I have absolutely not doubt that she was the one who stated "it's all gone,I'm so sorry"... CooperC62507,thanks for clearing up the wording, but now my blood is boiling

Who better to deliver such heartwrenching news to the woman whose husband you encouraged to leave her under the guise of being exactly what he was looking for?

A nice lil slap in the face to Mayte as you waltz out the door with her husband, but keeping up the pretense of being compassionate and a good person and kind and innocent.

Puhleez

LBrent said:

To be fair, the urn was never mentioned being burnt (in the book) specifically .... One would hope that if the family has the urn that it would be turned over to Mayte. Maybe they (the family) can't yet because everything is tied up with the estate.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

CooperC62057 said: I went back and re-read that portion of the book. You are correct-(top of page 264, since we're not allowed to quote). Two things: 1. If this assistant was a male, Kirk is probably the one who did all of P's bidding for the last 30 years, and if in fact that is the case-knowing Kirk was his Best man and Kirk's brother officiated the wedding ceremony, I have absolutely no respect for him,period! 2. Being that M2 called Mayte on at least 2 other occasions to "spill the beans" (not saying the other instances yet,as we are not to that portion of the book discussion)I have absolutely not doubt that she was the one who stated "it's all gone,I'm so sorry"... CooperC62507,thanks for clearing up the wording, but now my blood is boiling

Who better to deliver such heartwrenching news to the woman whose husband you encouraged to leave her under the guise of being exactly what he was looking for?

A nice lil slap in the face to Mayte as you waltz out the door with her husband, but keeping up the pretense of being compassionate and a good person and kind and innocent.

Puhleez

My thoughts exactly!!

PennyPurple said:

206Michelle said:

CooperC62057 said:

PennyPurple said: Mayte says in the book that a "compassionate friend" told her that she had heard (don't think this was Manuela) that P's assistant was upset that HE had been asked to burn Mayte and Amir's belongings, including the crib. It was a MALE assistant! Anyone know of a male assistant other than Kirk?

See, my hunch is that Manuela didn't burn the items because if she did, and admitted that to Mayte, I don't see how Mayte could be so friendly with her. It just doesn't make sense...especially the ashes.

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I suspect that Kirk may have done it alsio. I wonder if Mayte knows who exactly burned the items. I'm also curious what her relationship is like with Kirk today.

I know Kirk's been around forever but the men within the Purple Kingdom never interested me much so I never paid much attention to him.

What I will say is that it seems very likely that a man would've been able to be less emotional about doing it, no offense to men.

I think trying to get a woman to do that would've met with lotsa gals saying no to P, regardless of if they lost thier jobs.

The only woman that I think could've done it and not felt some type of way is Manuela, but that's coloured by my dislike of her. Although, I do think it's possible.

Which leaves the urn.

Mayte doesn't say the urn was burned. She says the other stuff was burned and she doesn't have the urn and never found out what happened to it.

I keep telling y'all...to burn an urn would require far too high a heat to do it safely in someone's backyard without the fire department being needed. The temperature to burn metal is "smelting hot" over 2,000 degrees.

You ain't doing that as an amatuer in a backyard bonfire. Not possible.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

To be fair, the urn was never mentioned being burnt (in the book) specifically .... One would hope that if the family has the urn that it would be turned over to Mayte. Maybe they (the family) can't yet because everything is tied up with the estate.

Hey Penny Go back and re-read the last paragraph of page 263...it's pretty clear about the urn

Exactly!

I think Mayte was deliberately led to beleive that "everything that reminded P of her and the baby" included the urn, but it's not true.

That urn with 3 dolphins, "a dolphin family", still exists somewhere...and someone knows where...and shame on them for not telling.

[Edited 4/13/17 20:25pm]

Anybody living in Minnesota know the protocol for burning "trash" on your private property?

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

To be fair, the urn was never mentioned being burnt (in the book) specifically .... One would hope that if the family has the urn that it would be turned over to Mayte. Maybe they (the family) can't yet because everything is tied up with the estate.

Hey Penny Go back and re-read the last paragraph of page 263...it's pretty clear about the urn

SIGH...I don't know what is the matter with me tonight. UGH, It WAS mentioned.

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My apologies to everyone on this thread.

LBrent said:

Anybody living in Minnesota know the protocol for burning "trash" on your private property?

I assume LG lived within city limits? The only burning allowed would be in a "fire ring" a round piece of steel that would contain the fire within the perimeter of that ring. No more than three feet wide or so. If there happened to be a burning ban in effect, which doesn't happen too often, there is no burning allowed without a special permit.

Now if he lived outside city limits its pretty much do whatever yopu want as long as the neighbors don't complain. Unless there is the burning ban thing like I mentioned. (Off topic: There was a couple recently in my county who burned a man's body to cover up a crime and there was nothing left to identify the body with certainty. A few charred bone/tooth fragments. Luckily one of them broke and confessed.)

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LBrent said:

PennyPurple said:

To be fair, the urn was never mentioned being burnt (in the book) specifically .... One would hope that if the family has the urn that it would be turned over to Mayte. Maybe they (the family) can't yet because everything is tied up with the estate.

I hope I don't sound morbid when I say this, but I've been wondering about Amiir's ashes for a while, since even before P's urn was put on display at PP (and before we found out about the burning of all of Mayte and Amiir's items). I wondered what had happened to the ashes. Did Mayte have them? Were they in The Vault?

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If the ashes still exist, I wonder if the estate might give consideration to giving half to Mayte and then displaying the rest next to Prince's urn at Paisley Park.

sonshine said:

LBrent said:

Anybody living in Minnesota know the protocol for burning "trash" on your private property?

So, am I insane or would there be more involved in hosting a fire on private property, someone's backyard, of the magnitude needed to not only burn paper, fabric and wood, but to melt and incinerate a metal urn adequately to destroy it?

Thought?

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

To be fair, the urn was never mentioned being burnt (in the book) specifically .... One would hope that if the family has the urn that it would be turned over to Mayte. Maybe they (the family) can't yet because everything is tied up with the estate.

I hope I don't sound morbid when I say this, but I've been wondering about Amiir's ashes for a while, since even before P's urn was put on display at PP (and before we found out about the burning of all of Mayte and Amiir's items). I wondered what had happened to the ashes. Did Mayte have them? Were they in The Vault?

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If the ashes still exist, I wonder if the estate might give consideration to giving half to Mayte and then displaying the rest next to Prince's urn at Paisley Park.

The estate may not even know exactly what happened to them or where they are.

But someone knows.

[Edited 4/13/17 20:53pm]

LBrent said:

LBrent said:

moonsister said:

LBrent said:

I know Kirk's been around forever but the men within the Purple Kingdom never interested me much so I never paid much attention to him.

What I will say is that it seems very likely that a man would've been able to be less emotional about doing it, no offense to men.

I think trying to get a woman to do that would've met with lotsa gals saying no to P, regardless of if they lost thier jobs.

The only woman that I think could've done it and not felt some type of way is Manuela, but that's coloured by my dislike of her. Although, I do think it's possible.

Which leaves the urn.

Mayte doesn't say the urn was burned. She says the other stuff was burned and she doesn't have the urn and never found out what happened to it.

I keep telling y'all...to burn an urn would require far too high a heat to do it safely in someone's backyard without the fire department being needed. The temperature to burn metal is "smelting hot" over 2,000 degrees.

You ain't doing that as an amatuer in a backyard bonfire. Not possible.

How do you know this was a metal urn? Cremains can be stored in wood, and I've seen cremains in cardboard boxes tucked into cloth bags.

Good point.

I'm just going by Mayte's describing it as an urn and the definition of an urn.

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LBrent said:

sonshine said:

So, am I insane or would there be more involved in hosting a fire on private property, someone's backyard, of the magnitude needed to not only burn paper, fabric and wood, but to melt and incinerate a metal urn adequately to destroy it?

Thought?

I edited my reply above. No, you are right that any fire to melt metal (or a body) would have to be incredible intense. More so than anyone could get away with in town.

206Michelle said:

sonshine said:

LBrent said:

So, am I insane or would there be more involved in hosting a fire on private property, someone's backyard, of the magnitude needed to not only burn paper, fabric and wood, but to melt and incinerate a metal urn adequately to destroy it?

Thought?

I edited my reply above. No, you are right that any fire to melt metal (or a body) would have to be incredible intense. More so than anyone could get away with in town.

Thank you for finding that out.

Heck, even if it was a glass vase type urn, that wouldn't incinerate easily.

Dammit, this pisses me off for her. I have family ashes and to think of someone keeping them from me for 20 years...I can't even.

[Edited 4/13/17 21:02pm]

This is the only photo I've seen of Mayte and during her pregnancy. She mentions the BABY dresses in the book. I don't know what event they were attending.

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Source: http://purplepersuasion.t....com/?og=1 via https://www.pinterest.com...368789243/

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

I hope I don't sound morbid when I say this, but I've been wondering about Amiir's ashes for a while, since even before P's urn was put on display at PP (and before we found out about the burning of all of Mayte and Amiir's items). I wondered what had happened to the ashes. Did Mayte have them? Were they in The Vault?

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If the ashes still exist, I wonder if the estate might give consideration to giving half to Mayte and then displaying the rest next to Prince's urn at Paisley Park.

The estate may not even know exactly what happened to them or where they are.

But someone knows.

[Edited 4/13/17 20:53pm]

I wish they had shown up in the vault. But he said he never looks back so that makes me think he did away with them one way or the other. I also believe that's why he never attempted to reunite with Mayte even tho I think at some point over the years, if only for a brief moment, he sdmitted to himself that he had made a mistake ending their marriage. He didn't like messy. He didn't like to look back plain and simple. It was too messy and painful to try to undo what had transpired. Truly sad. My heart is very heavy tonight. That chapter gave me all sorts of feels. Ihe intense love, the intense loss. No wonder no other man could take his place in her heart. I must say for someone so young when this all happened Mayte has appeared to be very eloquent and genuine in her interviews.

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206Michelle said:

This is the only photo I've seen of Mayte and during her pregnancy. She mentions the BABY dresses in the book. I don't know what event they were attending.

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Source: http://purplepersuasion.t....com/?og=1 via https://www.pinterest.com...368789243/

Aw

They're so young and beautiful.

LBrent said:

206Michelle said:

This is the only photo I've seen of Mayte and during her pregnancy. She mentions the BABY dresses in the book. I don't know what event they were attending.

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Source: http://purplepersuasion.t....com/?og=1 via https://www.pinterest.com...368789243/

Aw

They're so young and beautiful.

And with that I really am calling it a night

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