206Michelle said:

jayseajay said:

That's really interesting. Do you think they were residual/minor seizures from the epilepsy? I do wonder if that was all there was to it tho, because it seems often there was also wine involved, which would be odd if it was just a response to seizure...but I think you are onto something there...it explains as you say, the talk of migraines and headaches. Maybe then there are three things going on then, some kind of residual epileptic stuff, later the hip/joint pain, and also an occasional emotional crutch when things got desperate...I thought the timing of the first overdose in relation to the visit from his dad was maybe telling...because it seems way odd, he's newly married, clearly crazy in love, there is a baby he really wants on the way, and he overdoses?

I didn't read much into her mentioning wine in the book. When she mentions that he drank port wine, I took this detail at face value and interpreted it to be a statement of fact that he drank occasionally.

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I also find the timing of the stomach pumping incident to be really odd because she describes this time in their marriage as being really happy. On p. 194, she says that not long after John Nelson ('s father) visited PP, "things started to go sideways." I wonder if maybe John Nelson's visit to PP had anything to do with the stompach pumping incident. I wonder if maybe the strained relationship between and his father was a possible reason for him taking too many aspirin and then having to have be hospitalized. Could it have been a seizure? It's hard to know. She doesn't elaborate much on what she thinks caused the stomach pumping incident.

I think the John L point you make is very interesting and may be correct. I always found it odd, Prince's dad was on his coat tails with the success of PR-Parade. But when things quieted down a little, John L was not seen as much. My speculation only here. John L not attending the wedding is interesting and can be associated with my speculation.

As for the hypnotic conversations, I think it is simple. For Prince, it was a mechanism for him to be open and honest, kinda a curtain so tp speak. It was his way to do what he alwasy wanted to do socially, but never could because he was secluded emotionally. I hope I articulate that well enough to be understood.

PennyPurple said:

312131213121 said:

How do u guys feel about manuela after reading the book? eye honestly wanted to like her after reading the book but now after Mayte said what happened with the handshake with manuela, eye just got very angry with her. Like why would she do that is she knew he was married?

She's not to be trusted. I actually think that she might be the friend who told Mayte that her stuff was burned. She was acting as Maytes friend while trying to hurt Mayte with that piece of info.

I agree 100% Penny...and I'll take it a step further. I think when the impending unsealing of the divorce docs was upon M2, she panicked, bc she KNEW what was in those court docs....and once they were unsealed everyone was like "what was the big deal? why did M2 retain an attorney? nothing was revelealed that put her/Prince in a bad light"....some info was REDACTED:FACT. Being that we all know about the IM message in which M2 asks P "did you burn my things like you did Mayte's in LG's backyard?" Who's to say that the contents of exactly what was butned in LG's backyard were not revealed because it was redacted from the divorce docs, hence M2 contacting M1 to give her a "heads up", with M2 believing this bit of info may come out....AND M2 was P's "assistant".

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

She's not to be trusted. I actually think that she might be the friend who told Mayte that her stuff was burned. She was acting as Maytes friend while trying to hurt Mayte with that piece of info.

I agree 100% Penny...and I'll take it a step further. I think when the impending unsealing of the divorce docs was upon M2, she panicked, bc she KNEW what was in those court docs....and once they were unsealed everyone was like "what was the big deal? why did M2 retain an attorney? nothing was revelealed that put her/Prince in a bad light"....some info was REDACTED:FACT. Being that we all know about the IM message in which M2 asks P "did you burn my things like you did Mayte's in LG's backyard?" Who's to say that the contents of exactly what was butned in LG's backyard were not revealed because it was redacted from the divorce docs, hence M2 contacting M1 to give her a "heads up", with M2 believing this bit of info may come out....AND M2 was P's "assistant".

Thank you! I totally agree with you!!

He was Ok with this because if he only did the summoning, there would never be a conversation along the lines of "What? Who does that b*tch think she is calling MY MAN at this ungodly hour!"

NickiStarr said:

I think this chapter demonstrates how careless P was with Mayte at times. To throw her to the dogs with those grown adults, knowing he is sleeping with one of them (Lori)...what did he expect to happen? I was also so frustrated by the fact that only HE could do the summonining. Mayte would just wait and hope to be called by him. Everyone was always at his beck and call. Why was he okay with this? Ugh!

The whipped cream incident was a message sent by Prince- I'm the boss, I'm in control, nothing is more important. They were clearly flirtatious at this point, she dropped everything to be there, yet he pulls the pay dock stunt. To top it off, he didn't tell her to her face he was docking, he let his assistant do it for him. SMH!

206Michelle said:

LBrent said:

I'm withya...Sweet, but also creepy af. And I think you're riight about him possibly feeling it was the only way to acheive a certain kind of intimacy. I wonder if he practiced this with other partners. I've never heard anyone else speak about it.

As for the "drugs"...This part has me thinking something else.

I think P was having seizures all these years and hiding that from everyone cuz he saw it as a sign of weakness. The biggest clue for me as a nurse was the vomit. I think he was referring to the episodes as migraines and maybe sometimes the seizures were accompanied by headaches afterwards and he took something, a painkiller, for that headache. I think in later years he took painkillers at times for his hip/joint pain, but I don't believe that was to the extent of dependancy.

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LBrent, BINGO! I'm so glad you brought up the seizures because I think that people on the org and in the media keep talking about these instances of illness/loopiness/migranes using the drug angle and do not consider the seizure angle.

Lest we not forget that benzodiazepene was also found in his tox report....which is a derrivitive of either Xanax or Valium, which can be medically prescribed for seizrues. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lbrent.

precioux said:

He was Ok with this because if he only did the summoning, there would never be a conversation along the lines of "What? Who does that b*tch think she is calling MY MAN at this ungodly hour!"

NickiStarr said:

I think this chapter demonstrates how careless P was with Mayte at times. To throw her to the dogs with those grown adults, knowing he is sleeping with one of them (Lori)...what did he expect to happen? I was also so frustrated by the fact that only HE could do the summonining. Mayte would just wait and hope to be called by him. Everyone was always at his beck and call. Why was he okay with this? Ugh!

The whipped cream incident was a message sent by Prince- I'm the boss, I'm in control, nothing is more important. They were clearly flirtatious at this point, she dropped everything to be there, yet he pulls the pay dock stunt. To top it off, he didn't tell her to her face he was docking, he let his assistant do it for him. SMH!

Exactly. If you're going to maintain multiple relationships, and not in an above-board-polyamory-we-all-share-google-diaries-kind-of-way, you better make sure that there's not women calling you and asking you where you are and what you're doing and can they come over and...

precioux said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, BINGO! I'm so glad you brought up the seizures because I think that people on the org and in the media keep talking about these instances of illness/loopiness/migranes using the drug angle and do not consider the seizure angle.

Lest we not forget that benzodiazepene was also found in his tox report....which is a derrivitive of either Xanax or Valium, which can be medically prescribed for seizrues. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lbrent.

Yes, but I also suspect the tranquilizers might have been what he got from the pharmacy the night before, and possibly simply because he was strung out

jayseajay said:

precioux said:

Lest we not forget that benzodiazepene was also found in his tox report....which is a derrivitive of either Xanax or Valium, which can be medically prescribed for seizrues. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lbrent.

Yes, but I also suspect the tranquilizers might have been what he got from the pharmacy the night before, and possibly simply because he was strung out

I know,jayseajay...I actually "shortened" my reply to take that concept out. Fact is, painkillers and benzo's are prescribed in conjunction with one another 9 times out of 10. Maybe this was what was precribed to him at one point in time and he continued this, minus the actual Rx for painkillers. (I didn't want to go there )

80tomato said:

PennyPurple said:

I think she was telling the truth that the stuff was burned, it is documented in M2 and Prince divorce record that she asked Prince if he burned her stuff like he burned M1's? I am thinking (not fact) that she is probably the one who told M1 about her stuff being burned, as a friend in sheeps clothing, just to get a dig in, at M1.

Yes ,I felt similarily when I saw them together on that clip from the exes show,I felt Manuela was pitying Mayte and being mean girlish...On another note , does anyone else feel sad/weird that they hired flowergirls/attendants for theirr wedding ?It does feel like a production by Prince,doesn't it?

Finally! Yes!

And I also think she knows more about the urn...

LBrent said:

80tomato said:

Yes ,I felt similarily when I saw them together on that clip from the exes show,I felt Manuela was pitying Mayte and being mean girlish...On another note , does anyone else feel sad/weird that they hired flowergirls/attendants for theirr wedding ?It does feel like a production by Prince,doesn't it?

Finally! Yes!

And I also think she knows more about the urn...

As morbidly as that sounds, I have to agree...

discussion on the book up to the 16:00min mark

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Episode Info: On this episode the Doc talks one on one with Jerome Benton in Part 1 of a two part interview. We also discuss Mayte's LA book signing, Andre Cymone's show in Hollywood, and the latest Prince news.

80tomato said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, BINGO! I'm so glad you brought up the seizures because I think that people on the org and in the media keep talking about these instances of illness/loopiness/migranes using the drug angle and do not consider the seizure angle.

yes ,but there is the fact he had his stomach pumped in the 1996 incident and ,of course the overdose last year RIPPrince

Ok, let me explain to y'all non-medical folks about "stomach pumping and save shots".

When someone presents unconcious and there is no clear reason, but someone mentions that they SUSPECT drugs may be involved, those are standard immediate measures taken. That doesn't mean that the person was found to have taken something. And we have never heard THE MEDICAL staff say that the results showed P took a drug.

The IMPLICATION is there were drugs because no MEDICAL STAFF says there weren't drugs found in those situations. They can't say yes or no because of the HIIPA Law.

So, let's say we're at Starbucks and I see you pop a pill or for whatever reason have seen you with a bottle of pills and I don't know that those "pills" are actually Vitamins or whatever but I see you popping them. Then you get a blank stare and pass out...my ASSUMPTION and suspicion might be that the pills I saw you with are the cause, so when the medical staff asks me all I can say it, "I saw him taking some pills then later he went unresponsive!" I'm not lying.

The medical staff will either pump the stomach or issue a save shot JUST IN CASE. If there's something in your system it'll counteract that. If not, it won't hurt you.

So no one except the people who have access to P's medical records or the MEDICAL STAFF who read his bloodwork know what was in his body in any of those scenarios. And the HIIPA Law prevents them from speaking. And it leaves the media reporting only the fact that he was unresponsive and REPORTED to be acting strange.

That doesn't mean that THEIR assumption of drugs is what was happening.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

She's not to be trusted. I actually think that she might be the friend who told Mayte that her stuff was burned. She was acting as Maytes friend while trying to hurt Mayte with that piece of info.

I agree 100% Penny...and I'll take it a step further. I think when the impending unsealing of the divorce docs was upon M2, she panicked, bc she KNEW what was in those court docs....and once they were unsealed everyone was like "what was the big deal? why did M2 retain an attorney? nothing was revelealed that put her/Prince in a bad light"....some info was REDACTED:FACT. Being that we all know about the IM message in which M2 asks P "did you burn my things like you did Mayte's in LG's backyard?" Who's to say that the contents of exactly what was butned in LG's backyard were not revealed because it was redacted from the divorce docs, hence M2 contacting M1 to give her a "heads up", with M2 believing this bit of info may come out....AND M2 was P's "assistant".

Exactly!

And if y'all notice, Mayte never say the stuff was burned in LG's backyard and she certainly kept saying nice things about LG, except regarding his JW beleifs being at odds with hers.

Don't you think if her stuff was burned in his backyard that she would've been more...I dunno...not feelin him?

I think Manuela wrote that phrase in that text knowing it was untrue but could later come out and Mayte would think it was true. The woman calculated her way from being a superfan into a famous rich man's marraige...don't sleep on the level of manipulativiosity.

precioux said:

206Michelle said:

LBrent, BINGO! I'm so glad you brought up the seizures because I think that people on the org and in the media keep talking about these instances of illness/loopiness/migranes using the drug angle and do not consider the seizure angle.

Lest we not forget that benzodiazepene was also found in his tox report....which is a derrivitive of either Xanax or Valium, which can be medically prescribed for seizrues. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lbrent.

I think it was both.I read both, but they both have use in control of seizures...and here's another clue for me...Valium is an old school used for seizures, which leads me to believe that this prescription was something he started taking many years ago and the doctors kept it instead of upgrading him to newer meds. I remember he mentioned not trusting doctors so he probably simply kept a prescription he trusted, but that doesn't mean it was as effective as newer drugs would've been, but again P didn't like turmoil so trying out a new drug was turmoil and...no.

NickiStarr said:

I think this chapter demonstrates how careless P was with Mayte at times. To throw her to the dogs with those grown adults, knowing he is sleeping with one of them (Lori)...what did he expect to happen? I was also so frustrated by the fact that only HE could do the summonining. Mayte would just wait and hope to be called by him. Everyone was always at his beck and call. Why was he okay with this? Ugh!

The whipped cream incident was a message sent by Prince- I'm the boss, I'm in control, nothing is more important. They were clearly flirtatious at this point, she dropped everything to be there, yet he pulls the pay dock stunt. To top it off, he didn't tell her to her face he was docking, he let his assistant do it for him. SMH!

206Michelle said:

I am re-posting the timeline/summary for chapter six. I originally posted this yesterday in reply #478.

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Chapter Six Timeline/Summary

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Just to refresh everyone, when chapter five ends, Mayte has joined the NPG and is living in Minnesota. At the end of the chapter, Mayte discusses how Prince was always impeccably dressed and groomed, and notes the irony of him being found dead with his clothes on backwards and his socks inside-out.

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Chapter six

1992 – Mayte is preparing for the Diamonds and Pearls Tour. She has a minor role on the tour. She did not have much of a social life outside of Prince, and would become lonely if he was out of town or too busy to hang out with her. Carmen Electra is working on an album at Paisley Park and was his girlfriend at the time. Carmen and Mayte hang out one time when Prince is out of town. Mayte notes here that Prince’s top girlfriend or woman was always in Minneapolis.

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April 1992 – Mayte performs in her first show with Prince, which took place at the Tokyo Dome in Tokyo, Japan. Mayte, Prince, and the NPG pray before the show. Mayte notes that Prince and company always prayed before every show. Prince and company spend a week in Japan and while there, film the music video for “The Continental.” “The Continental” video also has footage from other sources, including concert footage and footage of Mayte in Cairo.

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1992 – After going to Japan, the Diamonds and Pearls Tour goes to Australia for 20 days. After a two-week break, the tour continues to Europe. Mayte notes that the tour had three groups of people: the crew, the band, and Prince. While Mayte was formally a part of the band, she often travelled with Prince. Mayte’s role in Prince’s world is not clear, but she is close with Prince, and her closeness with him causes some tension due to other members of the band being jealous of her.

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1992 – As the Diamonds and Pearls Tour heads across Europe, the record label where Mayte recorded briefly a few years previously finds out that she is on Prince’s tour and releases her record “Too Dramatic.”

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1992 – One night while the tour is in Europe, Mayte visits Prince in his hotel and then returns to the hotel where she and other members of the band are staying. Some members of the NPG, including Diamond and Pearl, are gossiping about Mayte and her role in Prince’s world. Mayte comes to the realization that Prince is keeping her around so that she does not go to Cairo. She confides in Prince about the gossiping incident. Not long after this incident, Prince writes Mayte a letter to let her know that she is important to him and that other women are jealous of her.

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1992 – Mayte notices changes in her body because she is not dancing as much as she has in the past. Prince criticizes Mayte for her weight and tells his accountant to dock her pay. Prince’s actions make Mayte angry. She starts dancing on the side stage at concerts when she is not performing onstage, and quickly works herself back into shape.

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1992 – When the tour ends, Mayte goes to visit her parents and then returns to Minnesota. Someone from Paisley Park tells Mayte that she has to start paying for the rent of her apartment, even though her salary remains the same.

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1992 – Mayte and Prince are not formally dating, but they are more than friends and he is also her employer. One day at a rehearsal, when Carmen Electra is present, Prince shakes hands with Mayte, indicating that she was more than just his friend, that she is his woman. Mayte also starts having a bodyguard, indicating that she is Prince’s woman. However, at this time, Prince and Mayte do not yet have a sexual relationship.

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Around 1994 – During the time when “The Most Beautiful Girl in the World” is popular, after Mayte and Prince have become sexually involved but prior to their engagement, Prince writes her a heartfelt letter. He writes that he has never been interested in talking with a woman about having children, but he wants to discuss having children with her. He ends the letter by writing “ will never leave u” 16 times. Mayte reflects on how she read this letter toward the end of their marriage because he was no longer speaking these kind of passionate, commitment-oriented words to her at that time. She also notes seeing him shake another woman’s hand. She discusses the relationships that he had with various women, and her relationships with a few of these women. She also states her significance as his wife and the mother of his child, and that their relationship was unique.

There wasn't much difference in the ages of Lori, Robia and Mayte.

precioux said:

He was Ok with this because if he only did the summoning, there would never be a conversation along the lines of "What? Who does that b*tch think she is calling MY MAN at this ungodly hour!"

NickiStarr said:

I think this chapter demonstrates how careless P was with Mayte at times. To throw her to the dogs with those grown adults, knowing he is sleeping with one of them (Lori)...what did he expect to happen? I was also so frustrated by the fact that only HE could do the summonining. Mayte would just wait and hope to be called by him. Everyone was always at his beck and call. Why was he okay with this? Ugh!

The whipped cream incident was a message sent by Prince- I'm the boss, I'm in control, nothing is more important. They were clearly flirtatious at this point, she dropped everything to be there, yet he pulls the pay dock stunt. To top it off, he didn't tell her to her face he was docking, he let his assistant do it for him. SMH!

Not to mention, they weren't a couple at that point. If I'm not mistaken, he was still seeing Carmen or Lori.

amethyst68 said:

NickiStarr said:

I think this chapter demonstrates how careless P was with Mayte at times. To throw her to the dogs with those grown adults, knowing he is sleeping with one of them (Lori)...what did he expect to happen? I was also so frustrated by the fact that only HE could do the summonining. Mayte would just wait and hope to be called by him. Everyone was always at his beck and call. Why was he okay with this? Ugh!

The whipped cream incident was a message sent by Prince- I'm the boss, I'm in control, nothing is more important. They were clearly flirtatious at this point, she dropped everything to be there, yet he pulls the pay dock stunt. To top it off, he didn't tell her to her face he was docking, he let his assistant do it for him. SMH!

There wasn't much difference in the ages of Lori, Robia and Mayte.

Really?

Cuz dem chix looked old as hell compared to her...and pretty, but in a hardened way.

I thought that way back in the day, it has nothing to do with Mayte's book.

In later years, the lil Australian twins, the real twins, they had a softer sweeter look and appeal to me. But the D&P gals looked very worn to me even way back then.

Sorry if that offends anyone.

OldFriends4Sale said:

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

She's not to be trusted. I actually think that she might be the friend who told Mayte that her stuff was burned. She was acting as Maytes friend while trying to hurt Mayte with that piece of info.

I agree 100% Penny...and I'll take it a step further. I think when the impending unsealing of the divorce docs was upon M2, she panicked, bc she KNEW what was in those court docs....and once they were unsealed everyone was like "what was the big deal? why did M2 retain an attorney? nothing was revelealed that put her/Prince in a bad light"....some info was REDACTED:FACT. Being that we all know about the IM message in which M2 asks P "did you burn my things like you did Mayte's in LG's backyard?" Who's to say that the contents of exactly what was butned in LG's backyard were not revealed because it was redacted from the divorce docs, hence M2 contacting M1 to give her a "heads up", with M2 believing this bit of info may come out....AND M2 was P's "assistant".

[Edited 4/13/17 23:55pm]

Took my post down... more of a summary post. I'll wait until the end of the book.

[Edited 4/13/17 13:38pm]

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¹—“Snows In April” for example…Plus, Minnesota is a synonym for “Snow”

Nah...I don't think so Phat, I think that they just didn't care if the baby was a dwarf, because they would love the baby no matter what. I think Prince was just short.

phatphuk said:

Has anybody else picked up on Prince's reaction to the obstetrician's diagnosis of dwarfism? I'm convinced the author is telling us something significant there.

With Prince's preoccupation with the number 7; on top of his fondness for snow¹, it all ties together to suggest — in my opinion — that Prince knew that he himself might have had some form of dwarfism.

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¹—“Snows In April” for example…Plus, Minnesota is a synonym for “Snow”

phatphuk said:

Has anybody else picked up on Prince's reaction to the obstetrician's diagnosis of dwarfism? I'm convinced the author is telling us something significant there.

With Prince's preoccupation with the number 7; on top of his fondness for snow¹, it all ties together to suggest — in my opinion — that Prince knew that he himself might have had some form of dwarfism.

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¹—“Snows In April” for example…Plus, Minnesota is a synonym for “Snow”

Is that supposed to be a joke?

PennyPurple said:

Nah...I don't think so Phat, I think that they just didn't care if the baby was a dwarf, because they would love the baby no matter what. I think Prince was just short.

Yeah. I think they'd have love all their children, including Amiir with his medical issues. Mayte simply could'nt see him suffer anymore. Not that I'm blaming her cuz ultimately they both agreed to let the baby go, but she makes it clear that she was the one who first said it and was freaking out not P.

She makes it clear that P was the one tryna get ish done and staying with the baby and advocating and tryna convince her not to give up...that Amiir was "gonna be okay, we'll get him stable and bring him home."

She was in no shape to advocate for Amiir after going through a C-section and everything. That was all Papa Bear P.

To be considered a dwarf medically you would be 4 feet 10 inches or less. He certainly may have had some type of genetic leanings in that direction, though. But who knows how much he knew about them?

amethyst68 said:

amethyst68 said:

precioux said:

I need to clarify: Niikistarr reply was in regards to Mayte in particular-my reply to Nikki was in generalization to P and ALL of his women:) Most all, including Carmen had stated they could not call P, he could only contact them..my lil slickster amethyst68 said:

Not to mention, they weren't a couple at that point. If I'm not mistaken, he was still seeing Carmen or Lori.

I gotta tellya, of all the things that bother me about how P carried on a relationship, that wouldn't have bothered me a bit. I'd assume he was busy working, etc and would call when he could. And I'm not really a gal who calls guys...plus, I gottz stuff I'm busy with too. So I don't sit by the phone. I figure we'll catch each other eventually.

I heard some relationship expert say that if a man wants you he'll move Heaven and Earth to get to you, no matter how far you run...and if a man doesn't want you, he'll run to the ends of the Earth to get away from you no matter how hard you chase him.

206Michelle said:

Penny, Can we discuss chapter 9?

Sure, let Chapter 9 begin.