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I don't know about M2 wearing M1's clother but in the book there's a part where I think Carmen Electra is wearing a "cute outfit and cute boots" and either Diamond or Pearl says to Mayte that's the outfit she turned down when Prince tried to give it to her. | |
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206Michelle said:
XxAxX, here's my two cents. . I think that . Mayte talks about she and . Also, I think that . My understanding is that Prince's mom was Baptist and his dad was a Seventh-Day Adventist. There are some commonalities between the Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. Perhaps commonalities between those 2 denominations made . I think that the straws that finally broke the camel's back, as the saying goes, were 3 factors: Larry Graham, the Jehovah's witness faith, and Manuela Testolini. The presence of these 3 factors, on top of Amiir's death and the miscarriage, caused
[Edited 4/10/17 18:23pm] I agree with all you said d but the Spain part. She didn't run to Spain on her own. She went because Prince led her to believe they were going to buy a home and settle together. He is the one who (I believe) already had his new plan WITHOUT HER in the works. In my opinion, even if she had gone back and forth every weekend, he would have come up with some reason not to be there,be distant,etc. His mind was made up no matter what she tried to do. He had already moved on, and in perfect example of being completely emotionally immature, didn't even have the balls to just tell her. He had to push and push in a passive-aggressive way, let others do his dirty work, let her feel like everything was on her,etc. Pretty sad. | |
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Speaking of brilliant, Bodhitheblackdog, your last sentence is BRILLIANT! Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Or the absence of his dad. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Yes, I was referring to going against the religion. Nothing to do with this death or anything. Cheating is obviously wrong but I wouldn't wish death on someone for it. | |
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Bodhitheblackdog said: He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.
Brilliant!! [Edited 4/10/17 19:17pm] | |
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I don't like making excuses for bad behavior but I think you need to look at his actions in consideration of his abandoment issues. His former manager stated he would even say Prince had diagnosable abandonment issues. With that being said, his actions toward Mayte towards the end of their marriage would be expected.
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206Michelle said:
Totally agree, kmama07. . I was a psychology major in college and there's been a lot of research done on attachment between children and caregivers. I think that based on his tumultuous childhood, Prince may have had some significant attachment issues. . Going back to the book, Mayte tells a couple of stories about Prince's father. But how many stories does Mayte have about Prince's mother? None. Prince's mom is mentioned a couple of times in the book, in passing. Her absence is very telling, in my opinion. . How much do Prince fans know about his mother? Very little. We some basic details about her life. But Prince NEVER talked about her...That was his MAMA...And he NEVER talked about her...Think about that. [Edited 4/10/17 18:06pm] I was also thinking this about his mother as I read the book. I have read very little about his mother but I do remember reading an article where Prince said his mother was wild, and that he inherited his wild streak from her. I thought this was interesting. | |
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Typical PR move to release a statement like that. Keep in mind, this man locked his wife out of their home and discontinued her credit cards. He never should have married Manuela. | |
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kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about . To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)
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I agree with what Karma07 said... He moved her OUT of Minn taking her to Spain and convincing her that they would start over. Once she got to Spain she was no longer the girl in Minn. | |
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DD55 said:
Bodhitheblackdog said: He carried within him the seeds of his own destruction...it's Greek tragedy, Chanhassen style.
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206Michelle said:
kmama07, And after reading what you just wrote, I agree with what you said more than with the point that I made. I think that he strung her along and made her believe that they were going to start over in Spain. Now that still goes against the whole "Prince's woman stays in Minneapolis," principle, but she was there, and I wasn't, so I have to take her at her word. And then again, we're also talking about . To your point about emotional immaturity, I think that the burning of all things related to Mayte and Amiir was another manifestation of emotional immaturity. I mean, how on God's green earth do you burn the ashes of your son? And then you don't even tell your wife. Like that is seriously f**ked up! (I wonder also why they never buried Amiir's ashes, to give him a final resting place.)
I was wondering as well. But not everyone buries ashes. Some keep the urns, some scatter after a certain amount of time. I've even seen people with jewelry that holds ashes of loved ones as well as (not even kidding) people having paintings made with their loved ones ashes...pets specifically. Maybe they just weren't ready for the "finality" of burying his ashes. That question will probably never be answered. I think it all was too much and by then, Mayte symbolized loss and pain. Rather than facing it with her, he shut down. Perfect opportunity for Larry, Manuela and the JW era to swoop on in. Just my opinion. And I'm certainly not putting all blame on Manuela...granted, she knew he was married and should have kept to herself...definitely broke serious woman code...but HE was the married one who should have had the nads to break it off with his wife before things got heated with M2. | |
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I totally hear what you are saying, amethyst68. I think that it's possible to see the connection between the abandonment issues and his actions toward Mayte without excusing his behavior. . I was a psychology major in college and there's been a lot of research done on attachment between children and caregivers. I think that based on his tumultuous childhood, Prince may have had some significant attachment issues. Amethyst68, I think that when you mention abandonment issues and I mention attachment issues, we are probably talking about the same thing using different terms. . Going back to the book, Mayte tells a couple of stories about Prince's father. How many stories does Mayte have about Prince's mother? NONE. Prince's mom is mentioned a couple of times in the book, in passing. Her absence is very telling, in my opinion. . How much do Prince fans know about his mother? Very little. We some basic details about her life. But Prince NEVER (or almost never) talked about her...That was his MAMA...And he NEVER (or almost never) talked about her...Think about that. . Prince had abandonment/attachment issues due to experiences that occurred when he was a child. These experiences were outside of his control. He could not change the past. What he could change was how he dealt with what happenned to him in the past. When Prince became an adult, what was within his control was how he dealt with these experiences. This goes back to the whole issue of free will. . Prince certainly had the means to see a really good therapist to help him deal with these abandonment/attachment issues. Maybe he did see a therapist. Even so, he probably could have used more therapy. Prayer has a place in healing. Music has a place in healing. Professional help has a place in healing, whether that help be medical, psychological, physical therapy, or whatever. . As someone else wrote brilliantly, Prince had within him the seeds of his own destruction. I think that some of his self-destructive qualities were his avoidant/escapist tendences and his unwillingness to seek help.
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Well actually every single one of us has issues in our lives but we don't treat people that way. It was almost as if when he was done with somebody, he just threw them away. I know people used him too. I think people wanted their careers to take off and he was a stepping stone for them. ; We can try to make excuses for him, but some of us has been thru a lot worse, then he went thru during our childhoods. . Again, I love Prince and his music, but I don't have to like what he did to people. Mayte seems to have a kind heart. She didn't want to make waves where he was concerned. Heck she could have wrote a book that would really slam him, and she didn't. I think that she still thinks that they will be together again either in Heaven or another life. . I think when he treated Mayte good it was really good, when he treated her bad, it was really, really bad.
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Someone else once posted that they had a breif "interaction" with P and that he wouldn't ever actually break up with you but he'd do stuff that made you end up leaving the relationship. | |
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PennyPurple said: Well actually every single one of us has issues in our lives but we don't treat people that way. It was almost as if when he was done with somebody, he just threw them away. I know people used him too. I think people wanted their careers to take off and he was a stepping stone for them. ; We can try to make excuses for him, but some of us has been thru a lot worse, then he went thru during our childhoods. . Again, I love Prince and his music, but I don't have to like what he did to people. Mayte seems to have a kind heart. She didn't want to make waves where he was concerned. Heck she could have wrote a book that would really slam him, and she didn't. I think that she still thinks that they will be together again either in Heaven or another life. . I think when he treated Mayte good it was really good, when he treated her bad, it was really, really bad.
Agreed. I really think she respectfully told her story where there were absolutely times she was completely within her right to be incredibly vicious and vindictive. And not just towards Prince, towards other women (specifically M2) as well. She expressed herself regarding those situations with more grace than most would be able to muster in her situation. | |
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I concur, and I'll go further. As others have said on this thread, Prince was passive agressive, immature, manipulative,didn't have "the balls" to level with his I'll-never-leave-you ad nauseum soul-mate wife, etc...WTF people...if this were a friend or neighbor or relative who was behaving in such a destructive, self-destructive, cruel and UNNECESSARY way...you would nod wisely and conclude that the person was having a nervous breakdown or psychotic break. But, because the person in question was and is dearly beloved, a rock God, sex personified, the musical genius of his and probably other generations and too beautiful to be believed, his outrageous (not stage, but towards intimates) behaviors and betrayels FOR DECADES were minimized and glossed over as 'Princey' stuff. IMO, a damaged-in-childhood Prince (may his precious soul rest in peace) was ill-served by his fame and fortune. He didn't allow ANYONE in his life to say NO to him and at the end no one was even there to hold his hand. It's sickening. | |
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Absolutely!
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Bodhitheblackdog said:
I concur, and I'll go further. As others have said on this thread, Prince was passive agressive, immature, manipulative,didn't have "the balls" to level with his I'll-never-leave-you ad nauseum soul-mate wife, etc...WTF people...if this were a friend or neighbor or relative who was behaving in such a destructive, self-destructive, cruel and UNNECESSARY way...you would nod wisely and conclude that the person was having a nervous breakdown or psychotic break. But, because the person in question was and is dearly beloved, a rock God, sex personified, the musical genius of his and probably other generations and too beautiful to be believed, his outrageous (not stage, but towards intimates) behaviors and betrayels FOR DECADES were minimized and glossed over as 'Princey' stuff. IMO, a damaged-in-childhood Prince (may his precious soul rest in peace) was ill-served by his fame and fortune. He didn't allow ANYONE in his life to say NO to him and at the end no one was even there to hold his hand. It's sickening. It really is incredibly sad. | |
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Good point about the PR move. I took the attorney's statement at face value and didn't even think about it being a PR move. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Yes, and I think when some folks left his employ P felt that same sense of abandonment.
As I read the book, I could see paralleis in keeping folks "bookmarked"...like band members being told they were gonna be used then projects not materializing or being shelved.
Yes, he cared for them and enjoyed doing the projects, but I think sometimes he didn't want the project to end cuz then they might leave. Same with salary, if they needed him they had to stay.
I remember him saying something to Morris Day along the lines of if he would just trust P and follow what he was outlining he'd have a career or something like that, but MD had had enough and left.
I think every time someone left P whether romantic/business/friend/family, he felt the same betrayal triggers.
Something else I think about when he was asked why he needed to do everything on an album, play everything, sing everything...and P's answe broke my heart. He said he needed to do everything cuz "what if evrybody leaves me?"
I think his fear of abandonment had him leave folks he felt too close to so they wouldn't leave him first.
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kmama07, I agree with you about him shutting down. I wonder if Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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PennyPurple, I totally agree. . Like I said, while he probably had some serious attachment issues from childhood over which he had no control, once he became an adult, it was within his control to deal with these traumatic experiences. He prayed. He made music. He could have gotten therapy. Maybe he did go to therapy. In my opinion, if he did, it wasn't enough. . Therapy can be hard, very hard. But sometimes, life throws things at a person that overwhelms his or her coping skills. In these situations, often times the only thing that a person can do is to (a) admit that he or she can't handle the issues and (b) seek help/support for dealing with the issues. . This goes back to the whole issue of free will. Prince could have sought out professional help for his abandonment issues. He certainly had the means to receive top-notch professional help. He could have sought out professional help in order to deal with the loss of his son. Maybe he did, but I suspect that he did not receive professional help. Instead, he decided to believe the nonsense that his son's death was a punishment from God. He decided to have everything reminding him of Amiir and Mayte destroyed, including Amiir's ashes. . There's no denying it, he made bad choices. Me left Mayte and did her dirty. He married Manuela, and what happened...5 years later, they got a divorce. He never should have married Mani. . I love the man, I love his music, but he was a flawed genius. And when it came to his personal relationships, he was a mess, a boiling hot mess. I won't stop loving him because of his flaws and his bad choices. I acknowledge the bad things that he did, I don't like the bad things that he did, but I can't hate the man. His music means too much to me. Shoot, Mayte still loves him, and if SHE can love him in spite of everything that he did to her, then I can give him my fan love too. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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