I didn't know that, at that point, there was no baby in Mayte's body, I got a little confused while reading the article, as to the time frame, thank you for clearing this up. Yes it is such a shame that no one took the time to explain to Prince, exactly what was going on with Mayte, and what the D & C was really for, too bad they were not able to communicate to each other, it probably led to them growing more apart

LBrent said:

Moonbeam1 said:

I read somewhere (I can't remember where, sorry) that after their first child was born and there were problems, Prince prayed with Mayte everyday that things turn out right, I think his spiritual beliefs influenced him, when during Mayt's pregnancy with their second child, the medical staff wanted to intervene, because they felt because of her bleeding, her life was in danger, I don't believe for a second that Prince didn't care about Mayte safety, I think it's more that he wanted more time, he said "let nature take it's course" maybe he thought if he took her to the Hospital he would be interfering with this, Prince always believed in the power of healing, since he was a child, I think at some point he would have taken her, but I think when he ordered the Limo to take her to the Hospital he wasnt quite ready to do so himself, he still had hope, misguided or not, just my feeling...

Yup

And to be clear...there was no baby in Mayte's body by that time. I don't think the average person, especially a man, realizes that even after a birth if even the slightest bit of placenta (afterbirth) is still left in the body the woman will continue to hemmhorage. It's the body's way of trying to flush the foreign matter from the body. It's how women died during childbirth or botched abortions way back when. A small bit of afterbirth left inside and the women bled to death.

As a nurse, that's why we massage the woman's tummy until the uterus feels firm. As long as it's all stretched out and flabby "boggy" it's a bleeding risk.

In Mayte's case, the fertilized egg had already left her body and left behind the plactental tissue which a D&C would remove and she'd stop bleeding (what had left her body was never going to be a baby anyway cuz it was not a true viable pregnancy look it up, she could've gone 9 months and all that would've come out was a mass of random tissue sorta similar to a tumor).

Ok, so scared Mom in hysterics thinking this asshat's going to let me bleed to death and scared Dad who heard D&C and probably assumed, in his ignorance, we'll wait and "let nature take it's course with amiscarraige" not understanding that the miscarraige had already happened. He heard D&C and thought "abortive procedure" which went against his JW beliefs instead of "cleaning uterus procedure" which didn't go against his beliefs. JWs have D&Cs for many reasons, just not D&Cs for the purpose of abortion.

Someone didn't explain things too well to either Mayte or P. That miscommunication left him in a spiritual limbo and left her feeling abandoned.

In the end, P's decision to send her to the hospital was from love but he didn't go most likely because he didn't want her action to impact his faith in G*d.

It's such a shame that this lack of information caused them such pain.

[Edited 4/5/17 21:45pm]

LBrent said:

Yup

And to be clear...there was no baby in Mayte's body by that time. I don't think the average person, especially a man, realizes that even after a birth if even the slightest bit of placenta (afterbirth) is still left in the body the woman will continue to hemmhorage. It's the body's way of trying to flush the foreign matter from the body. It's how women died during childbirth or botched abortions way back when. A small bit of afterbirth left inside and the women bled to death.

As a nurse, that's why we massage the woman's tummy until the uterus feels firm. As long as it's all stretched out and flabby "boggy" it's a bleeding risk.

In Mayte's case, the fertilized egg had already left her body and left behind the plactental tissue which a D&C would remove and she'd stop bleeding (what had left her body was never going to be a baby anyway cuz it was not a true viable pregnancy look it up, she could've gone 9 months and all that would've come out was a mass of random tissue sorta similar to a tumor).

Ok, so scared Mom in hysterics thinking this asshat's going to let me bleed to death and scared Dad who heard D&C and probably assumed, in his ignorance, we'll wait and "let nature take it's course with a miscarraige" not understanding that the miscarraige had already happened. He heard D&C and thought "abortive procedure" which went against his JW beliefs instead of "cleaning uterus procedure" which didn't go against his beliefs. JWs have D&Cs for many reasons, just not D&Cs for the purpose of abortion.

Someone didn't explain things too well to either Mayte or P. That miscommunication left him in a spiritual limbo and left her feeling abandoned.

In the end, P's decision to send her to the hospital was from love but he didn't go most likely because he didn't want her action to impact his faith in G*d.

It's such a shame that this lack of information caused them such pain.

[Edited 4/5/17 21:45pm]

Moonbeam1 said:

I didn't know that, at that point, there was no baby in Mayte's body, I got a little confused while reading the article, as to the time frame, thank you for clearing this up. Yes it is such a shame that no one took the time to explain to Prince, exactly what was going on with Mayte, and what the D & C was really for, too bad they were not able to communicate to each other, it probably led to them growing more apart

Yup, the doctor tells her that the "product of conception" was gone when she went to the doctor on Nov 19.

That's too personal a phrase for parents. I usually say "uterine contents" because in no way does that convey "baby" to someone whose faith/religion might be offended by thinking that.

Medicine isn't just science. There's an art to helping patients undertsand stuff without offending them unecessarily.

On the Dateline interview she said that she was notified that he was in bad shape in late 2015 but was not able to reach out to him. Raises questions about how early people in his inner circle knew about his health issues.

Yes, I don't recall now where I read in an interview that she had wrestled with whether to get involved when she first learned that he wasn't well some months before he passed.

Hmm...when she says bad shape or not well I wonder exactly what she means. Illness, drugs or both? And I wonder how she found out. Also I'm not aware of any recent band members publicly saying this. Shelby J. and Kim Berry have probably given the most extensive interviews but neither of them have said anything that indicate they knew he was not well for some time. Did they not know or are they choosing to keep quiet about it?
[Edited 4/8/17 12:20pm]

rogifan said:

Hmm...when she says bad shape or not well I wonder exactly what she means. Illness, drugs or both? And I wonder how she found out. Also I'm not aware of any recent band members publicly saying this. Shelby J. and Kim Berry have probably given the most extensive interviews but neither of them have said anything that indicate they knew he was not well for some time. Did they not know or are they choosing to keep quiet about it? [Edited 4/8/17 12:20pm]

Or are they doing that thing where you don't notice the subtle changes over time, but someone who hasn't seen the person immediately notices a change?

donnyenglish said:

When was this? Does anyone have a link? Hmmmm, maybe I can find it on YouTube....

LBrent said:

But she hadn't seen Prince, so again I'd be curious to know who she got this information from.

rogifan said:

LBrent said:

Or are they doing that thing where you don't notice the subtle changes over time, but someone who hasn't seen the person immediately notices a change?

But she hadn't seen Prince, so again I'd be curious to know who she got this information from.

True.

Hmmm...looks like someone breifly broke ranks in the Purple Circle.

rogifan said:

LBrent said:

Or are they doing that thing where you don't notice the subtle changes over time, but someone who hasn't seen the person immediately notices a change?

But she hadn't seen Prince, so again I'd be curious to know who she got this information from.

Mayte and SHelby are close.....

I just wondered if any of y'all know...I know Mayte had her bellydance/exercize videos and she teaches bellydance, but does she teach ballet, too?

I only ask cuz she started as a ballerina, too.

Lovejunky said:

Yet nothing that Shelby has said publicly even gives a hint that she knew he was unwell. Of course she could be choosing to respect his privacy by not saying anything. But usually it's easy to tell when someone knows more than they're choosing to say.

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said:

Mayte and SHelby are close.....

Yet nothing that Shelby has said publicly even gives a hint that she knew he was unwell. Of course she could be choosing to respect his privacy by not saying anything. But usually it's easy to tell when someone knows more than they're choosing to say.

I think Selby might be one of Princes best friends,

he has a few...Lenny Kravitz is another....

I do believe however that some one reached out to Mayte late 2015 , It might have been Kirk..

but Mayte has re opened two conversations:

She literally confirmed the Clothes on backwards , which I had hoped was a Tabloid rumour,

and that he was ailing....not doing well.....

Princes Camp will either shun her,

or they will open up a little more themselves....we shall see........

I feel that She has handled herself with Grace in all the interviews so far.

Proud of her actually...must have been tough on a lot of levels..

She didnt crumble...

held her poise and

reflected her Love for him...I felt it...

Lovejunky said:

rogifan said:

Lovejunky said: Yet nothing that Shelby has said publicly even gives a hint that she knew he was unwell. Of course she could be choosing to respect his privacy by not saying anything. But usually it's easy to tell when someone knows more than they're choosing to say.

I think Selby might be one of Princes best friends,

he has a few...Lenny Kravitz is another....

I do believe however that some one reached out to Mayte late 2015 , It might have been Kirk..

but Mayte has re opened two conversations:

She literally confirmed the Clothes on backwards , which I had hoped was a Tabloid rumour,

and that he was ailing....not doing well.....

Princes Camp will either shun her,

or they will open up a little more themselves....we shall see........

I feel that She has handled herself with Grace in all the interviews so far.

Proud of her actually...must have been tough on a lot of levels..

She didnt crumble...

held her poise and

reflected her Love for him...I felt it...

So she was told he was not doing well and she has stated she was considering taking Gia with her to meet him, but she also states she hesitated cause she wondered in what kind of mood he was in, a depressed mood or an angry mood. So this makes me think that him not being well had nothing to do with a possible ilness, but with a state that he was known to be in from time to time. Sometimes reading between the lines makes more sense. I'm starting to think she might know he had a drug issue (from painkillers or whatever) and has chosen to not disclose it, like all his other close associates. For all we know, they could all be aware of it and never discuss it with him.

MMJas said:

Lovejunky said:

I think Selby might be one of Princes best friends,

he has a few...Lenny Kravitz is another....

I do believe however that some one reached out to Mayte late 2015 , It might have been Kirk..

but Mayte has re opened two conversations:

She literally confirmed the Clothes on backwards , which I had hoped was a Tabloid rumour,

and that he was ailing....not doing well.....

Princes Camp will either shun her,

or they will open up a little more themselves....we shall see........

I feel that She has handled herself with Grace in all the interviews so far.

Proud of her actually...must have been tough on a lot of levels..

She didnt crumble...

held her poise and

reflected her Love for him...I felt it...

So she was told he was not doing well and she has stated she was considering taking Gia with her to meet him, but she also states she hesitated cause she wondered in what kind of mood he was in, a depressed mood or an angry mood. So this makes me think that him not being well had nothing to do with a possible ilness, but with a state that he was known to be in from time to time. Sometimes reading between the lines makes more sense. I'm starting to think she might know he had a drug issue (from painkillers or whatever) and has chosen to not disclose it, like all his other close associates. For all we know, they could all be aware of it and never discuss it with him.

Good Point...of course they would discuss it amongst each other...

but I think the reverence everyone has for him makes them Fiercely protective .

He is very Loved....admired, respected,and even worshipped by some.

Prince will come out of all of as the Brightest of the Brightest stars..

We may not get to see that in our lifetimes, we might have to endure the excrusiating pain of the General Public tearing him down...

I dont think so though...Prince was pretty impeccable ..towards the end he had learned a lot and grown into a most elegant gentleman....

Love him so.............

Lovejunky said:

MMJas said:

So she was told he was not doing well and she has stated she was considering taking Gia with her to meet him, but she also states she hesitated cause she wondered in what kind of mood he was in, a depressed mood or an angry mood. So this makes me think that him not being well had nothing to do with a possible ilness, but with a state that he was known to be in from time to time. Sometimes reading between the lines makes more sense. I'm starting to think she might know he had a drug issue (from painkillers or whatever) and has chosen to not disclose it, like all his other close associates. For all we know, they could all be aware of it and never discuss it with him.

Good Point...of course they would discuss it amongst each other...

but I think the reverence everyone has for him makes them Fiercely protective .

He is very Loved....admired, respected,and even worshipped by some.

Prince will come out of all of as the Brightest of the Brightest stars..

We may not get to see that in our lifetimes, we might have to endure the excrusiating pain of the General Public tearing him down...

I dont think so though...Prince was pretty impeccable ..towards the end he had learned a lot and grown into a most elegant gentleman....

Love him so.............

I agree. I think in this moment there will be conjecture and gossip, but after all that dies down and moving forewards, P will go one to be the same mysterious and elusive character we always knew him as. Future generations will read the books and have no context and likely those things will fade as a mildly interesting footnote to a larger than life talent and persona.

And 100 years from now, no one will care about the details except rabid fans who have been studying his music in school, like Mozart and Bach and Beethoven, and get interested enough past the music to dig deeper and find out about P's personal life.

when the movie Amadaeus came out, wtf but the most hardcore fan knew all that stuff? They knew he was a legend and they knew the genius of the music, but the personal life stuff all blurred into a pleasant haze. Yet Mozart's music has endure for ages.

P will be the same.

"I've seen the future and it will be..."

LBrent said:

There are two pics of him from the fall circulating and he looks great in both. She keeps saying someone but who in his circle was even speaking to her? I also find it hard to believe that people working on his last musical project in January did not notice anything.

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said:

Or are they doing that thing where you don't notice the subtle changes over time, but someone who hasn't seen the person immediately notices a change?

There are two pics of him from the fall circulating and he looks great in both. She keeps saying someone but who in his circle was even speaking to her? I also find it hard to believe that people working on his last musical project in January did not notice anything.

True, and of course they noticed. They are all just denying it, the same way Prince denied stuff. It will all go away one day. All except his music.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

LBrent said: There are two pics of him from the fall circulating and he looks great in both. She keeps saying someone but who in his circle was even speaking to her? I also find it hard to believe that people working on his last musical project in January did not notice anything.

True, and of course they noticed. They are all just denying it, the same way Prince denied stuff. It will all go away one day. All except his music.

AMEN

MMJas said:

Who is denying it?

rogifan said:

MMJas said:

True, and of course they noticed. They are all just denying it, the same way Prince denied stuff. It will all go away one day. All except his music.

Who is denying it?

This is pure speculation on my part, obviously, Rogifan. We do not know.

But there is a possibility that his close associates knew something was up and are acting like they did not, like everything was fine and dandy because simoply it's none of our business and they want to protect his privacy and respect the legacy.

MMJas said:

rogifan said:

MMJas said: Who is denying it?

This is pure speculation on my part, obviously, Rogifan. We do not know.

But there is a possibility that his close associates knew something was up and are acting like they did not, like everything was fine and dandy because simoply it's none of our business and they want to protect his privacy and respect the legacy.

There are some saying they think no one is saying anything because of the investigation. Could be true.

.

DD55 said:

MMJas said:

This is pure speculation on my part, obviously, Rogifan. We do not know.

But there is a possibility that his close associates knew something was up and are acting like they did not, like everything was fine and dandy because simoply it's none of our business and they want to protect his privacy and respect the legacy.

There are some saying they think no one is saying anything because of the investigation. Could be true.

.

As for the purple family closing ranks, everytime someone drops a ‘hint’ people /fans go nuts and want to know more. Of course the purple family know what happened.

.

I would think someone ‘in the know’ just doesn’t want to open that can of worms because until they are ready to answer all questions it would just be a mess of even more speculation and gossip. Tell all or say nothing.

.

The details will come out someday. I heard an old saying… 'three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead’, eventually someone will talk and once the floodgates open, we’ll hear from everyone. I think that because it appears like almost everyone in the purple family want to be in the spotlight.

.

Just IMHO, ~~DD55

Well, we have a saying in Portugal that alludes to the fact that talk is like cherries: you eat one and all these other ones that are linked will follow. I think that soon people will talk, yes.
I think Laura said something to the effect of the investigation process being made public on the 17th of this month, is that right?

Lovejunky said:

Mayte and Shelby started hanging out after Prince died. I think Manuella probably said she had heard and passed it on to Mayte.

This is the REAL Mayte. She has always resented her paltry divorce settlement from Prince. She was mad because she didn't get that "Purple Rain money," but now she's making up for it. This book is strictly about the vast fortune that she is poised to make by exploiting Prince's name and selling her so-called truth. Shame on her. I predict this shameless, mercenary money-grab is going to backfire on her.

In the event that the link doesn't work, which has been known to happen on selected links on the org, here is the direct link to the Hollywood Exes clip that can be copied and pasted into your browser:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BSkeGnrDL0u/?taken-by=boycottmayte

I'm really disappointed in Mayte. She knows Prince was a very private person and he would not approve of her writing a book about their life together. No, I haven't read her book and I won't. She wanted to write a book a few years ago, and Prince shut her down. I'm sorry for what she had to go through with the loss of their son; it was a painful ordeal for both her and Prince. Their relationship/marriage was a very complicated one and he ended the marriage and with good reason. Prince wasn't perfect, but he was hurt, and I understand that. Mayte surely was no angel either. It just seems to me that her book is about revenge and having the last word. I just don't feel that Prince would be cool with her talking about such intimate things. He was devestated when he lost his son--they both were. I sincerely wish Mayte well. I don't support her book, but if it helps her find some closure and move on with her life, then there was something good to come of it. Seeing people who are profiting off of Prince's death is what upsets me. It's about morals and respect for a man who is no longer on this earth to speak and defend himself.

Hi,

I would like to join this forum. I already wrote something here but I tried to make sure it was sent and I can't see it. I looked for the book at B&N today but couldn't find it. Anyone know where I can find it or if it's sold out? Also, what's everyone's feeling about the book so far?

Just curious,

I've been wondering why some people are so opposed to Mayte's book. She was married to Prince after all. I tried to find the book today but I couldn't. Should it be in the bookstores now? I know some people pre-ordered.

brendar said:

Hi,

I would like to join this forum. I already wrote something here but I tried to make sure it was sent and I can't see it. I looked for the book at B&N today but couldn't find it. Anyone know where I can find it or if it's sold out? Also, what's everyone's feeling about the book so far?

Here Brendar...

an entire thread dedicated to the book...

http://prince.org/msg/5/440644

Yes, that link above is an entire thread to discuss Mayte's book.