benni said:

Oh and Appolonia, just in case you read this thread, notice how the conversation quickly turned to Mayte and Mani. Yes, again, there is no much room for you in here.

malbena said:

LBrent said:

Also, Mayte never mentioned the stuff being burned in LG's backyard.

Who initially put that info out there?

Hmmm...

There's more to this than meets the eye.

I hope Mayte has left that M2 "friendship" cool for her own sake.

M2 has an agenda where M1's concerned and i don't understand why. You break up the marraige, you got what you wanted, why the need to keep M1 in your sights?

I hope Halle Berry invites EB to lunch. M2 has some dharmic/karmic sh*t that will eventually slap her square in her face. Ugh, I hate it when folks get away scottfree with scandalous sh*t.

Manuela did. An excerpt of her electronic conversation with Prince was brought out to the public when they unsealed the divorce record. In that conversation, Mani said she went in the house without him because she didn't want her stuff to be burnt like Mayte's in LG backyard.

Keep in mind however that no matter who did, who said, and what not...Prince was ultimately who made all decisions. No point in blaming anybody else but him if wrong was done.

Yeah, I saw that.

I just thoght she was commenting on an earlier report from someone else.

I beleive that urn is somewhere. I think someone rescued it and has it.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

To even imply that I am not a Prince is disingenous on your part. I have been a part of this board since the black and purple days. I attended his last two concerts in Atlanta. I was the last person he retweeted. I joined Love4OneAnother back in the day and would have been around before then, but did not have the internet. To imply, that simply because I'm tired of the vilification and other Prince fans acting like they corner some market on all things Prince and can put down others because they are fans (when Prince was all about loving each other), that I am not a Prince fan, really speaks about you, and not me. I was knocked down and called a foul name back in '83 because I saw him and said he was a sexy man, and how dare I think that of a black man. (But damn that man was fine up until the last.) I cannot believe that just because someone cares enough about Prince to attempt to live by what he taught "Compassion righter than wrong" you would dare claim they are not a Prince fan.

And I miss him, too. More than I can ever say.

[Edited 4/6/17 12:06pm]

Every single person on this board who has questioned this book, has been labelled a hater, troll and ..just downright evil. You have asked me why i am hellbent on painting Mayte in a bad light? as if i have some personal vendetta against her, I DO NOT. None of the people questioning have a vendetta against her. Defending Prince has become so difficult around here that it requires real effort and a very thick skin. You are hurt i made assumptions about you but its ok to assume im some kind of demon here to vilify Mayte. Is that fair? I remember how when he passed i read some of your posts, they were touching, i still think that. But balanced critiques of the book? Ive not seen many. . [Edited 4/6/17 12:23pm]

I have not called anyone names for questioning Mayte. However, I have questioned those who are speaking with such authority that Mayte did this or intended that. I have never implied anyone is evil or labeled anyone a hater or a troll. I have asked why you why it is so important to you to paint Mayte in a poor light. "Hellbent" is your word, not mine. Mine was a geniune question. It seems that everytime someone tries to show that Mayte did not say that in her book, or that what was said in her book, when taken in context, can actually mean something else, you bring something else forward to try to show Mayte is an awful person. I did not call you a demon and do not assume that you are some kind of demon here to vilify Mayte.

And LBrent was one that was really against Mayte releasing this book and didn't have a lot of nice things to say originally. She read the book and from what she has said since then, she seems to think that it was a fairly balanced writing. So balanced critiques are okay, but it isn't the book you are critiquing, it's Mayte. And please keep in mind that critiques don't necessarily mean to put Mayte herself down, but critique honestly what she said and even question it and maybe read it to get the answers for yourself.

If I've made you feel like a demon here to vilify Mayte, then I apologize. That was never my intent.

I just don't get all the negativity directed towards this woman especially regarding what the press might to do or how they might interpret her words. That is on the press, not Mayte. She cannot control what they think. She can only correct them when she goes on interviews or reiterate what she meant in certain sections of her book.

Benni, nothing to apologize for. You spoke your truth. Be it.

We have all contradicted ourselves at some point as new information emerged and feelings have changed. We are all allowed to grow and have different opinions about events and people.

I believe we are also in two minds regarding some associates because we are compassionate in many ways and angry about some of their reactions in other ways.

I used to like Appolonia up until she started bashing Mayte and siding with Manuela, and all this publicly.

I have never been a fan of Mayte and got angry when the idea of the book came out. Now, I see she has not bashed anybody.

I used to love SheilaE until she started going around on tour using Prince's name and making profit.

I used to consider Manuela a friend back in the days when I hung around Paisley Park then she disappeared. I gave it time because of the divorce but I've seen details I can't accept.

benni said:

malbena said:

BillieBalloon said:

malbena said:

Benni, nothing to apologize for. You spoke your truth. Be it.

We have all contradicted ourselves at some point as new information emerged and feelings have changed. We are all allowed to grow and have different opinions about events and people.

I believe we are also in two minds regarding some associates because we are compassionate in many ways and angry about some of their reactions in other ways.

I used to like Appolonia up until she started bashing Mayte and siding with Manuela, and all this publicly.

I have never been a fan of Mayte and got angry when the idea of the book came out. Now, I see she has not bashed anybody.

I used to love SheilaE until she started going around on tour using Prince's name and making profit.

I used to consider Manuela a friend back in the days when I hung around Paisley Park then she disappeared. I gave it time because of the divorce but I've seen details I can't accept.

What's the matter?

malbena said:

LBrent said:

kmama07 said:

lavie said: She doesn't label him as any of those things

Nope.

She never even implied he could be a pedophile.

She mentions some episodes where he told her he wasn't feeling well and had a migraine.

She insisted on never seeing him take drugs, but she does say there were about a dozen incidents over the 11 years she knew him where she looks back now and wonders if she was being blind or stupid and might've missed something.

She mentions times when he seemed "loopy" but she attributed that to him being tired or sick or having a migraine.

As a nurse, I think P was having seizures throughout his life, but hiding them from folks. I think he'd rather folks think he was drunk/using a drug than to admit to seizures cuz one was his choice and the other was outside his control and it embarrassed him to be seen as an invalid or weak.

I'm not sure what "horrible things" are, but he did do some effed up stuff during their time together. It's not exactly a secret.

All in all, I think she was pretty fair and gentle with what she shared.

[Edited 4/5/17 20:51pm]

LBrent were you one of the people who initially stated they wouldn't read the book and were somewhat skeptical of her and her motives? (Just wanted the perspective of someone who wasn't intially onboard). With the information already known about Prince, did you find out anything you didn't already know? You don't have to be specific because I don't want a Mod to say "take this to the book club page". Still trying to decide if it's worth my time to read (not buying it, if I read it I will borrow it from the library whenever it arrives).

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

I have not called anyone names for questioning Mayte. However, I have questioned those who are speaking with such authority that Mayte did this or intended that. I have never implied anyone is evil or labeled anyone a hater or a troll. I have asked why you why it is so important to you to paint Mayte in a poor light. "Hellbent" is your word, not mine. Mine was a geniune question. It seems that everytime someone tries to show that Mayte did not say that in her book, or that what was said in her book, when taken in context, can actually mean something else, you bring something else forward to try to show Mayte is an awful person. I did not call you a demon and do not assume that you are some kind of demon here to vilify Mayte.

And LBrent was one that was really against Mayte releasing this book and didn't have a lot of nice things to say originally. She read the book and from what she has said since then, she seems to think that it was a fairly balanced writing. So balanced critiques are okay, but it isn't the book you are critiquing, it's Mayte. And please keep in mind that critiques don't necessarily mean to put Mayte herself down, but critique honestly what she said and even question it and maybe read it to get the answers for yourself.

If I've made you feel like a demon here to vilify Mayte, then I apologize. That was never my intent.

I just don't get all the negativity directed towards this woman especially regarding what the press might to do or how they might interpret her words. That is on the press, not Mayte. She cannot control what they think. She can only correct them when she goes on interviews or reiterate what she meant in certain sections of her book.

Maytes motives have been questioned because of the timing of the book, the criticism is centred around the book. I have been questioning information from the book and the claims made in it. The whole thing is compounded by the fact that Prince has died and as such it is of interest regarding his legacy. None of us wants to see Prince being savaged in the press before the first year anniversary is even up. Mayte is telling her story but she has also spoken of incidents that she herself has made assumptions about. This was her chance to tell the truth not to make innsinuations about drugs and urns. Prince lost a child too, he grieved for that child privately. People are pointing out contradictions from her past to what she says now. I appreciate your apology, I do, takes humility, thanks.

This needs to be recognized!!!

LBrent said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

LBrent said:

Also, Mayte never mentioned the stuff being burned in LG's backyard.

Who initially put that info out there?

Hmmm...

There's more to this than meets the eye.

I hope Mayte has left that M2 "friendship" cool for her own sake.

M2 has an agenda where M1's concerned and i don't understand why. You break up the marraige, you got what you wanted, why the need to keep M1 in your sights?

I hope Halle Berry invites EB to lunch. M2 has some dharmic/karmic sh*t that will eventually slap her square in her face. Ugh, I hate it when folks get away scottfree with scandalous sh*t.

Mani was a mistress, i have no respect for that woman

Minus the mistress stuff. How is Mani getting dragged into this?

Thank you for stating this so clearly, BillieBalloon. My sentiments exactly.

BillieBalloon said:

Maytes motives have been questioned because of the timing of the book, the criticism is centred around the book. I have been questioning information from the book and the claims made in it. The whole thing is compounded by the fact that Prince has died and as such it is of interest regarding his legacy. None of us wants to see Prince being savaged in the press before the first year anniversary is even up. Mayte is telling her story but she has also spoken of incidents that she herself has made assumptions about. This was her chance to tell the truth not to make innsinuations about drugs and urns. Prince lost a child too, he grieved for that child privately. People are pointing out contradictions from her past to what she says now. I appreciate your apology, I do, takes humility, thanks.

morningsong said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

morningsong said:

Minus the mistress stuff. How is Mani getting dragged into this?

Apollonia is making mani appear like an angel and mayte as an exploitative person, after reading m1 book...m2 stold her husband

Oh.


Now Apollonia can't even like who she likes. Alrighty then.


Now I know I've made comments on this thread but it wasn't about whether she could have an opinion or not, just that could she be a little more up front about her opinion by using words, and not cryptic images. That cryptic mess is annoying. I know Prince did it, but then he seems to have been doing that all his life so it comes natural from him and still it was annoying just as much as it was exciting, everybody else needs to quit it. Outside of that, I don't know who's in who's camp at this point. Not upset about it either way.

I am wondering though if Mayte's trying to call Mani out by stoplighting her, though I'm not sure how in this case she could have avoided spotlighting her. But I haven't read the book yet so I might be reading too much in what's being posted.

morningsong said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

morningsong said: Apollonia is making mani appear like an angel and mayte as an exploitative person, after reading m1 book...m2 stold her husband

Oh.


Now Apollonia can't even like who she likes. Alrighty then.


Now I know I've made comments on this thread but it wasn't about whether she could have an opinion or not, just that could she be a little more up front about her opinion by using words, and not cryptic images. That cryptic mess is annoying. I know Prince did it, but then he seems to have been doing that all his life so it comes natural from him and still it was annoying just as much as it was exciting, everybody else needs to quit it. Outside of that, I don't know who's in who's camp at this point. Not upset about it either way.

I am wondering though if Mayte's trying to call Mani out by stoplighting her, though I'm not sure how in this case she could have avoided spotlighting her. But I haven't read the book yet so I might be reading too much in what's being posted.

Truly, in my opinion, Mayte gave Mani has HUGE pass. When you read it you'll see, but I was

LBrent said:

morningsong said:

Oh.


Now Apollonia can't even like who she likes. Alrighty then.


Now I know I've made comments on this thread but it wasn't about whether she could have an opinion or not, just that could she be a little more up front about her opinion by using words, and not cryptic images. That cryptic mess is annoying. I know Prince did it, but then he seems to have been doing that all his life so it comes natural from him and still it was annoying just as much as it was exciting, everybody else needs to quit it. Outside of that, I don't know who's in who's camp at this point. Not upset about it either way.

I am wondering though if Mayte's trying to call Mani out by stoplighting her, though I'm not sure how in this case she could have avoided spotlighting her. But I haven't read the book yet so I might be reading too much in what's being posted.

Truly, in my opinion, Mayte gave Mani has HUGE pass. When you read it you'll see, but I was

I'll be all in it this weekend.

morningsong said:

LBrent said:

Truly, in my opinion, Mayte gave Mani has HUGE pass. When you read it you'll see, but I was

I'll be all in it this weekend.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I know I was.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

As a fan of Prince, yes, Prince, i am simply asking questions as he is no longer here to refute anything. Us Prince fans want to understand as much as you Mayte fans do. We still miss him.

If you want to understand more about Prince, I would suggest you read the book, instead of asking those who read the book about the book. And then proceed to argue with the ones who've read the book. Sheesh

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

I have not called anyone names for questioning Mayte. However, I have questioned those who are speaking with such authority that Mayte did this or intended that. I have never implied anyone is evil or labeled anyone a hater or a troll. I have asked why you why it is so important to you to paint Mayte in a poor light. "Hellbent" is your word, not mine. Mine was a geniune question. It seems that everytime someone tries to show that Mayte did not say that in her book, or that what was said in her book, when taken in context, can actually mean something else, you bring something else forward to try to show Mayte is an awful person. I did not call you a demon and do not assume that you are some kind of demon here to vilify Mayte.

And LBrent was one that was really against Mayte releasing this book and didn't have a lot of nice things to say originally. She read the book and from what she has said since then, she seems to think that it was a fairly balanced writing. So balanced critiques are okay, but it isn't the book you are critiquing, it's Mayte. And please keep in mind that critiques don't necessarily mean to put Mayte herself down, but critique honestly what she said and even question it and maybe read it to get the answers for yourself.

If I've made you feel like a demon here to vilify Mayte, then I apologize. That was never my intent.

I just don't get all the negativity directed towards this woman especially regarding what the press might to do or how they might interpret her words. That is on the press, not Mayte. She cannot control what they think. She can only correct them when she goes on interviews or reiterate what she meant in certain sections of her book.

Maytes motives have been questioned because of the timing of the book, the criticism is centred around the book. I have been questioning information from the book and the claims made in it. The whole thing is compounded by the fact that Prince has died and as such it is of interest regarding his legacy. None of us wants to see Prince being savaged in the press before the first year anniversary is even up. Mayte is telling her story but she has also spoken of incidents that she herself has made assumptions about. This was her chance to tell the truth not to make innsinuations about drugs and urns. Prince lost a child too, he grieved for that child privately. People are pointing out contradictions from her past to what she says now. I appreciate your apology, I do, takes humility, thanks.

The one thing I've been trying to keep in mind regarding the timing of the book is that it isn't always the artist's / author's / etc. choice. The publishing house has a lot to say about when the book is released. Unfortunately, I just don't think there would have ever been a good time to release it.

As for Prince being savaged in the press, I don't really see it happening. I see the tabloids acting up, but mainstream press, it isn't happening. Tabloids are always going to try to savage Prince, whether because of this book, or another, or the cause of ... I hate tabloids and avoid them because they just try to sensationalize everything.

The book was very tastefully done. I know that there are those that don't see it that way, and that's fine. I read the released version, and all the innuendos and rumors and everything that everyone has been complaining about since the bootleg was released really isn't the way they think it is.

And back to Prince. This will pass. People will forget about Mayte's book, anything she wrote, in a few months, because people will move on to the next thing. The one thing that will never pass is Prince and his legacy. He will be/is immortalized. Schools will be studying and performing his music for years and years to come. Prince wasn't just a superstar, he was a megastar. He was someone that even the Hollywood elite would bow down to, and become screaming and fainting fans whenever he appeared or if he deigned to acknowledge them. Someone that big, someone that HUGE cannot be brought down by a mere book. I have faith in the power of Prince's music, in his legacy, that I know nothing will ever make him out to be anything less than the megastar he was. I mean, think about it for a moment....Stars, BIG NAME stars, would act like giddy school girls when Prince was around. Prince was the epitomy of starhood and what they all wanted to strive for. No one is paying attention to what the tabloids are saying, they don't care. The only ones that are paying attention to the tabloids are us Prince fans, and it's because we don't want anything to tear Prince down. But it's us Prince fans that should know, KNOW, that nothing can tear that man down. He's a legend. If people are still talking about Jimi Hendrix, The Beatles, John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, Woody Allen, and the list goes on - they all had some kind of controversy but it's not the controversy that people remember and cherish, it's the person themself and their music or art or movies. Just keep playing the music, introducing people to the music, and Prince will live on forever in our hearts, minds, and souls.

And Billie, thank you.

PennyPurple said:

malbena said:

Oh and Appolonia, just in case you read this thread, notice how the conversation quickly turned to Mayte and Mani. Yes, again, there is no much room for you in here.

PennyPurple said:

malbena said:

Oh and Appolonia, just in case you read this thread, notice how the conversation quickly turned to Mayte and Mani. Yes, again, there is no much room for you in here.

Aw. Don't be mean to Apples.

I don't hate her.

As far as she's concerned I just feel as if she doesn't need to try to get attention cuz she already has a permanent spot of prestige in the Purple Heirachy, SheilaE, too. They are OGs.

But when they act all jealous it makes them look thirsty.

They don't have to remind us who they are, none of them.

We remember.

malbena said:

endiadj said:

BillieBalloon said:

MMJas said:

Totally disagree. Her portrait of him was not disonourable at all. She told things like they were and we either believe it or not. The media always takes things out of context and can make a seedy headline from the most simple statement. That's how they sell.

She does mention about how she thought impure thoughts crossed his mind in the book. This when she was a teen.

I'm sorry, but I'm really getting sick of this nonsense. Not talking directly to you, BillieBallon, but to all this pussyfooting concerning Prince and Mayte's relationship. Let's all believe for a second that what Mayte says is true: she states there was nothing illegal about their relationship and that he was always a gentleman. Her family believed that and in a type of environment like a rockstar's world, they allowed her 16 year old daughter to travel unaccompanied with a whole band. She had previous experience from belly dancing work and knew how to handle herself. Prince was made her guardian at 17 most likely because she was a minor and was travelling around the word, it was a mere formality. Prince always came across as a noble guy in the sense that he would wait for the person to be of age before starting a sexual relationship with them. But... come on, you all have to admit it's not exactly natural for a 30 something year old to fall for a 16 year old. And Prince had a history of falling for really young women. I'm not accusing him of anything, OBVIOUSLY, I absolutely adore the man and have the utmost respect for him, but his tastes were somewhat odd in that sense. Of course one could argue that younger women are easier to manipulate, control, etc. Yes. Makes a lot of sense and i believe that's why he always surrounded himself with younger idiolizing females. But no, the Prince-Mayte relationship was not a straightforward one. I have a teenage daughter and I would be questioning what does a 30 something man (a mega star at that!) want to do with a 16 year old girl? What do they talk about? Where do they meet intellectually? It's not uncommon, but it does make you wonder, hence some interviewers standpoint.
So yes, of course he had impure thoughts about her! But if we are to believe him and Mayte, which I do, he was a gentleman and waited. He was also intelligent and savvy and knew all hell would break loose if he got involved with her before she became an adult.

PennyPurple said:

LBrent said:

Ok, let me be clear...I'm not going to nitpick this womans retelling of her experiences.

Impure thoughts? SoTFwhat?

P was a healthy redblooded male, Mayte was a healthy redblooded female. He probably did have impure thoughts, so did lotsa gys. Did he act on them, that's the issue. And he's gone now and she could've said that he was inappropriate with her when she was 16, but she didn't. In fact, she made it clear that he wasn't.

More to the point, at 32 years old, P functioned more like a 20-21 year old in many ways, especially emotionally.

At 16 years old, Mayte functioned more like am 18 year old in many ways, especially emotionally.

Chronologically they were vastly different ages, but emotionally they were alot similar.

My Dad was 19 years older than my Mom and I understand this dynamic very very well.

Whatever.

She wrote a book. I listened. Her timing sux in releasing it, but that's what she did it. She didn't slam him in any way, and beleive me I was waiting for it in some instances cuz P really deserved it at one point or two.

I think she was as graceful as she could be with the details yet still be honest. He wasn't perfect. She didn't pretend that he was. He wasn't a horrible person. She protected his memory in enough ways that anyone who cared for him too will still care for him, maybe more.

The others, the media, folks who are looking to find validation that he was always unworthy of their care, those folks would've felt the same if she hadn't written a book or if she made him out to be Mother Theresa.

I think she handled it well. I have only one critcism if any...She should've knocked Manuela's teeth down her throat and stomped her azz...but that isn't my call.

[Edited 4/6/17 9:39am]

Again, I agree with you. Just wrote a similar reply before reading yours.
She handled it very well. Interviews and book. She probably could have said lots of stuff that would really hurt Prince's name and she did not.

The timing of the book has more to do with publishers than with Mayte. They know when to strike and they know exactly when such a book should be released. Mayte herself has stated that whereas before they demanded she exposed some dirt on him, with a tell all, now that he died she was allowed to write the book in her own terms and that's what she did. There is nothing in that book that damages Prince's name. We already knew he was controlling. We already knew he could be a bit of a tyrant. I read the book and got upset at Prince in some instances, sure. But nothing earthshattering that would change my opinion of him. I believe it to be a love story, her love story more than anything, cause she was much younger, it was a tremendously public situation to be in, Prince moulded and shaped her personality as well and she finds it hard to let go.