LBrent said:

you forgot the part were he told her to throw away his pills down the toilet

Strawberrylova123 said:

LBrent said:

Nope.

She never even implied he could be a pedophile.

She mentions some episodes where he told her he wasn't feeling well and had a migraine.

She insisted on never seeing him take drugs, but she does say there were about a dozen incidents over the 11 years she knew him where she looks back now and wonders if she was being blind or stupid and might've missed something.

She mentions times when he seemed "loopy" but she attributed that to him being tired or sick or having a migraine.

As a nurse, I think P was having seizures throughout his life, but hiding them from folks. I think he'd rather folks think he was drunk/using a drug than to admit to seizures cuz one was his choice and the other was outside his control and it embarrassed him to be seen as an invalid or weak.

I'm not sure what "horrible things" are, but he did do some effed up stuff during their time together. It's not exactly a secret.

All in all, I think she was pretty fair and gentle with what she shared.

[Edited 4/5/17 20:51pm]

you forgot the part were he told her to throw away his pills down the toilet

I didn't read that as disparaging.

Aspirins are pills. So are vitamins and Tylenol.

LBrent said:

Mayte admits now that she is older..that ain't aspirin. Aspirin doesn't make a person loopy.
[Edited 4/5/17 22:10pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

LBrent said:

I didn't read that as disparaging.

Aspirins are pills. So are vitamins and Tylenol.

Mayte admits now that she is older..that ain't aspirin. Aspirin doesn't make a person loopy. [Edited 4/5/17 22:10pm]

I'm a retired 34 year career nurse.

When even what the average person assumes is an inocent and mild medication is combined with other substances, in various situations or depending on the one taking it's physical condition there can be adverse reactions.

It's not uncommon.

LBrent said:

Why would he plead to her to drive all the way to a hotel room to throw away something harmless like aspirin and vitamins down the toilet...lets be logical
[Edited 4/5/17 22:45pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

LBrent said:

I'm a retired 34 year career nurse.

When even what the average person assumes is an inocent and mild medication is combined with other substances, in various situations or depending on the one taking it's physical condition there can be adverse reactions.

It's not uncommon.

Why would he plead to her to drive all the way to a hotel room to throw away something harmless like aspirin and vitamins down the toilet...lets be logical [Edited 4/5/17 22:45pm]

I wasn't there so I don't know.

What I do know is that Mate presented a balanced veiw of her life with P. She didn't paint him as either saint or sinner.

She was sincere and didn't bash him.

Other than that, I don't know.

LBrent said:

I didn't say that she labeled him. I said that from the innuendos and insinuations that she put in her book, she has him being labeled as a pedo, someone who burned his baby's ashes, etc., by the media and many in the gp. This is what is being talked about coming up on the anniversary of his death.
[Edited 4/6/17 2:24am]

endiadj said:

LBrent said:

Nope.

She never even implied he could be a pedophile.

She mentions some episodes where he told her he wasn't feeling well and had a migraine.

She insisted on never seeing him take drugs, but she does say there were about a dozen incidents over the 11 years she knew him where she looks back now and wonders if she was being blind or stupid and might've missed something.

She mentions times when he seemed "loopy" but she attributed that to him being tired or sick or having a migraine.

As a nurse, I think P was having seizures throughout his life, but hiding them from folks. I think he'd rather folks think he was drunk/using a drug than to admit to seizures cuz one was his choice and the other was outside his control and it embarrassed him to be seen as an invalid or weak.

I'm not sure what "horrible things" are, but he did do some effed up stuff during their time together. It's not exactly a secret.

All in all, I think she was pretty fair and gentle with what she shared.

[Edited 4/5/17 20:51pm]

I didn't say that she labeled him. I said that from the innuendos and insinuations that she put in her book, she has him being labeled as a pedo, someone who burned his baby's ashes, etc., by the media and many in the gp. This is what is being talked about coming up on the anniversary of his death. [Edited 4/6/17 2:24am]

Totally disagree. Her portrait of him was not disonourable at all. She told things like they were and we either believe it or not. The media always takes things out of context and can make a seedy headline from the most simple statement. That's how they sell.

LBrent said:

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She doesnt say he was stealing her Vicodin?
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[Edited 4/6/17 4:19am]

MMJas said:

She does mention about how she thought impure thoughts crossed his mind in the book. This when she was a teen.

MMJas said:

Whats your take on her including the rumour about P burning the Urn? She protects the identity of the person who told her and provides no verification for her statement. If she had named the person this fact could have been verified. Why if she loves Prince did she believe it enough to put it in her book without also including confirmation he did it? Its a terrible thing to accuse him of.

Ok, let me be clear...I'm not going to nitpick this womans retelling of her experiences.

Impure thoughts? SoTFwhat?

P was a healthy redblooded male, Mayte was a healthy redblooded female. He probably did have impure thoughts, so did lotsa gys. Did he act on them, that's the issue. And he's gone now and she could've said that he was inappropriate with her when she was 16, but she didn't. In fact, she made it clear that he wasn't.

More to the point, at 32 years old, P functioned more like a 20-21 year old in many ways, especially emotionally.

At 16 years old, Mayte functioned more like am 18 year old in many ways, especially emotionally.

Chronologically they were vastly different ages, but emotionally they were alot similar.

My Dad was 19 years older than my Mom and I understand this dynamic very very well.

Whatever.

She wrote a book. I listened. Her timing sux in releasing it, but that's what she did it. She didn't slam him in any way, and beleive me I was waiting for it in some instances cuz P really deserved it at one point or two.

I think she was as graceful as she could be with the details yet still be honest. He wasn't perfect. She didn't pretend that he was. He wasn't a horrible person. She protected his memory in enough ways that anyone who cared for him too will still care for him, maybe more.

The others, the media, folks who are looking to find validation that he was always unworthy of their care, those folks would've felt the same if she hadn't written a book or if she made him out to be Mother Theresa.

I think she handled it well. I have only one critcism if any...She should've knocked Manuela's teeth down her throat and stomped her azz...but that isn't my call.

[Edited 4/6/17 9:39am]

She danced for him 1 time and she noticed that he had put a pillow on his lap.

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For not wanting to read the book, some of ya'll are pretty interested in what it has to say.

endiadj said:

LBrent said:

Nope.

She never even implied he could be a pedophile.

She mentions some episodes where he told her he wasn't feeling well and had a migraine.

She insisted on never seeing him take drugs, but she does say there were about a dozen incidents over the 11 years she knew him where she looks back now and wonders if she was being blind or stupid and might've missed something.

She mentions times when he seemed "loopy" but she attributed that to him being tired or sick or having a migraine.

As a nurse, I think P was having seizures throughout his life, but hiding them from folks. I think he'd rather folks think he was drunk/using a drug than to admit to seizures cuz one was his choice and the other was outside his control and it embarrassed him to be seen as an invalid or weak.

I'm not sure what "horrible things" are, but he did do some effed up stuff during their time together. It's not exactly a secret.

All in all, I think she was pretty fair and gentle with what she shared.

[Edited 4/5/17 20:51pm]

I didn't say that she labeled him. I said that from the innuendos and insinuations that she put in her book, she has him being labeled as a pedo, someone who burned his baby's ashes, etc., by the media and many in the gp. This is what is being talked about coming up on the anniversary of his death. [Edited 4/6/17 2:24am]

She never came right out and said that he burned the baby's ashes. She stated that she was told he burned the things in the home that reminded him of her and Amiir. From the way I read it, it's possible he got rid of the ashes, too, but that could have been spreading them around the grounds of Paisley Park, or elsewhere, not necessarily burning the ashes/urn. And she doesn't make any innuendos or insinuations about him in the book being a pedo. All of this is being taken by others and twisting it to suit their own purposes and any Prince fan will stand up to that and point out the error in their ways instead of repeating the rumors and saying this is what is being said, and look how awful Mayte is because she insinuated this. All that is doing is perpetuating the rumors.

BillieBalloon said:

LBrent said:

Nope.

She never even implied he could be a pedophile.

She mentions some episodes where he told her he wasn't feeling well and had a migraine.

She insisted on never seeing him take drugs, but she does say there were about a dozen incidents over the 11 years she knew him where she looks back now and wonders if she was being blind or stupid and might've missed something.

She mentions times when he seemed "loopy" but she attributed that to him being tired or sick or having a migraine.

As a nurse, I think P was having seizures throughout his life, but hiding them from folks. I think he'd rather folks think he was drunk/using a drug than to admit to seizures cuz one was his choice and the other was outside his control and it embarrassed him to be seen as an invalid or weak.

I'm not sure what "horrible things" are, but he did do some effed up stuff during their time together. It's not exactly a secret.

All in all, I think she was pretty fair and gentle with what she shared.

[Edited 4/5/17 20:51pm]

. She doesnt say he was stealing her Vicodin? . [Edited 4/6/17 4:19am]

No, she doesn't say he was stealing her vicodin. She stated that she had started taking it and that she had noticed the pills were missing but she thought he was monitoring the pills and hiding them so she didn't OD on them.

benni said:

endiadj said:

LBrent said: I didn't say that she labeled him. I said that from the innuendos and insinuations that she put in her book, she has him being labeled as a pedo, someone who burned his baby's ashes, etc., by the media and many in the gp. This is what is being talked about coming up on the anniversary of his death. [Edited 4/6/17 2:24am]

She never came right out and said that he burned the baby's ashes. She stated that she was told he burned the things in the home that reminded him of her and Amiir. From the way I read it, it's possible he got rid of the ashes, too, but that could have been spreading them around the grounds of Paisley Park, or elsewhere, not necessarily burning the ashes/urn. And she doesn't make any innuendos or insinuations about him in the book being a pedo. All of this is being taken by others and twisting it to suit their own purposes and any Prince fan will stand up to that and point out the error in their ways instead of repeating the rumors and saying this is what is being said, and look how awful Mayte is because she insinuated this. All that is doing is perpetuating the rumors.

Actually, she might find that the urn was placed in the vault. Who knows?

But this does explain the part of M2's text with P where he says that the galphin house was "infested" and Mayte acknowledges that it was most likely overwhelming memories from their time together and loss.

benni said:

She said it took her a long time to find out what happened to Amirs ashes and in pursuit of an answer to that question a friend had told her that everything of the babys had been burned. She asked the friend if that meant "everything". The friend told her All OF IT. At that point Mayte felt she had received the answer to what had happened to rhe ashes and didnt pursue her enquiries any further.


If you want to interpret this as P scattering the ashes go ahead, but you're not being honest with yourself.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

She never came right out and said that he burned the baby's ashes. She stated that she was told he burned the things in the home that reminded him of her and Amiir. From the way I read it, it's possible he got rid of the ashes, too, but that could have been spreading them around the grounds of Paisley Park, or elsewhere, not necessarily burning the ashes/urn. And she doesn't make any innuendos or insinuations about him in the book being a pedo. All of this is being taken by others and twisting it to suit their own purposes and any Prince fan will stand up to that and point out the error in their ways instead of repeating the rumors and saying this is what is being said, and look how awful Mayte is because she insinuated this. All that is doing is perpetuating the rumors.

She said it took her a long time to find out what happened to Amirs ashes and in pursuit of an answer to that question a friend had told her that everything of the babys had been burned. She asked the friend if that meant "everything". The friend told her All OF IT. At that point Mayte felt she had received the answer to what had happened to rhe ashes and didnt pursue her enquiries any further. If you want to interpret this as P scattering the ashes go ahead, but you're not being honest with yourself.

And I would think that has to hurt. I'm guessing she felt that was the one physical link she still had with Prince. To find out he cut it 20 years ago, must be a shock to the system.

benni said:

First of all, she didnt know who was taking them, she assumed it was Prince. She never asked him. Secondly she doesnt know why he was taking them, she never asked him. She said she "thought" maybe he took them to stop her ODing. Now why couldnt she ask her husband where the pills were going? He was her husband. Again, these are her assumptions, she never asked him about it. Why? If your other half is pilfering your medication wouldnt you ask?

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

No, she doesn't say he was stealing her vicodin. She stated that she had started taking it and that she had noticed the pills were missing but she thought he was monitoring the pills and hiding them so she didn't OD on them.

First of all, she didnt know who was taking them, she assumed it was Prince. She never asked him. Secondly she doesnt know why he was taking them, she never asked him. She said she "thought" maybe he took them to stop her ODing. Now why couldnt she ask her husband where the pills were going? He was her husband. Again, these are her assumptions, she never asked him about it. Why? If your other half is pilfering your medication wouldnt you ask?

I dunno.

She didn't ask so she doesn't know...and if she doesn't know then we surely don't know.

As for the ashes, again...she doesn't know exactly what happened to them because she didn't ask him and she can only assume...and we sure don't know.

If P really did have the urn destroyed, as painful as that might be, it was ashes not her baby. I'm sorry, I think we all do mean, petty crap in moments of being awful. We all do it. I know I have.

P loved her and made decisions that hurt her. I don't know what else to say.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

No, she doesn't say he was stealing her vicodin. She stated that she had started taking it and that she had noticed the pills were missing but she thought he was monitoring the pills and hiding them so she didn't OD on them.

First of all, she didnt know who was taking them, she assumed it was Prince. She never asked him. Secondly she doesnt know why he was taking them, she never asked him. She said she "thought" maybe he took them to stop her ODing. Now why couldnt she ask her husband where the pills were going? He was her husband. Again, these are her assumptions, she never asked him about it. Why? If your other half is pilfering your medication wouldnt you ask?

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

benni said:

BillieBalloon said:

benni said: First of all, she didnt know who was taking them, she assumed it was Prince. She never asked him. Secondly she doesnt know why he was taking them, she never asked him. She said she "thought" maybe he took them to stop her ODing. Now why couldnt she ask her husband where the pills were going? He was her husband. Again, these are her assumptions, she never asked him about it. Why? If your other half is pilfering your medication wouldnt you ask?

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

I just had a truly effed up thought...What if Manuela either has the urn or knows exactly what happened to it?

I dunno. I don't trust her motives concerning Mayte. I think she's certainly shown herself not to be a trustful person in situations concerning P & M1.

benni said:

As a fan of Prince, yes, Prince, i am simply asking questions as he is no longer here to refute anything.

Us Prince fans want to understand as much as you Mayte fans do. We still miss him.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

As a fan of Prince, yes, Prince, i am simply asking questions as he is no longer here to refute anything. Us Prince fans want to understand as much as you Mayte fans do. We still miss him.

I honestly don't think Mayte though this book all the way through to the press interactions and stuff.

I think she figured P was well loved and that any flaws in his behaviour would be forgiven if she was honest and genuine, which she was.

I don't think she was prepared for much negativity towards him because of the book.

BillieBalloon said:

benni said:

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

As a fan of Prince, yes, Prince, i am simply asking questions as he is no longer here to refute anything. Us Prince fans want to understand as much as you Mayte fans do. We still miss him.

To even imply that I am not a Prince is disingenous on your part. I have been a part of this board since the black and purple days. I attended his last two concerts in Atlanta. I was the last person he retweeted. I joined Love4OneAnother back in the day and would have been around before then, but did not have the internet. To imply, that simply because I'm tired of the vilification and other Prince fans acting like they corner some market on all things Prince and can put down others because they are fans (when Prince was all about loving each other), that I am not a Prince fan, really speaks about you, and not me. I was knocked down and called a foul name back in '83 because I saw him and said he was a sexy man, and how dare I think that of a black man. (But damn that man was fine up until the last.) I cannot believe that just because someone cares enough about Prince to attempt to live by what he taught "Compassion righter than wrong" you would dare claim they are not a Prince fan.

And I miss him, too. More than I can ever say.

[Edited 4/6/17 12:06pm]

LBrent said:

benni said:

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

I just had a truly effed up thought...What if Manuela either has the urn or knows exactly what happened to it?

I dunno. I don't trust her motives concerning Mayte. I think she's certainly shown herself not to be a trustful person in situations concerning P & M1.

Honestly, Lbrent...I've stated that before. Reason being that M2 was all up in arms in regards to the divorce becoming unsealed...from what we've seen, nothing was of that much importance...UNLESS...what M2 didn't want seen was redacted from the divorce docs, possibly the entire IM conversation in regards to Mayte's possessions that were burned in LG's backyard? Maybe Mani told Mayte this before the docs were unsealed to give her a heads up in case it was diclosed. This would not account for the supposed information coming from a "compassionate" friend, as I don't think Mayte sees Manuela in that light. Who knows? Just a thought

LBrent said:

There was speculation it was Mani who told her about the urn.
But who knows. The identity of the person who told her is protected,

precioux said:

LBrent said:

I just had a truly effed up thought...What if Manuela either has the urn or knows exactly what happened to it?

I dunno. I don't trust her motives concerning Mayte. I think she's certainly shown herself not to be a trustful person in situations concerning P & M1.

Honestly, Lbrent...I've stated that before. Reason being that M2 was all up in arms in regards to the divorce becoming unsealed...from what we've seen, nothing was of that much importance...UNLESS...what M2 didn't want seen was redacted from the divorce docs, possibly the entire IM conversation in regards to Mayte's possessions that were burned in LG's backyard? Maybe Mani told Mayte this before the docs were unsealed to give her a heads up in case it was diclosed. This would not account for the supposed information coming from a "compassionate" friend, as I don't think Mayte sees Manuela in that light. Who knows? Just a thought

Also, Mayte never mentioned the stuff being burned in LG's backyard.

Who initially put that info out there?

Hmmm...

There's more to this than meets the eye.

I hope Mayte has left that M2 "friendship" cool for her own sake.

M2 has an agenda where M1's concerned and i don't understand why. You break up the marraige, you got what you wanted, why the need to keep M1 in your sights?

I hope Halle Berry invites EB to lunch. M2 has some dharmic/karmic sh*t that will eventually slap her square in her face. Ugh, I hate it when folks get away scottfree with scandalous sh*t.

LBrent said:

benni said:

Honestly, at that point in time, she had just lost her child. She was beyond hurting. Do you honestly think she truly cared about any of that? As a mother who had a stillborn child, I can tell you straight up, that no I would not have asked.

Why is it so important to you to paint Mayte in as poor of a light as possible?

I just had a truly effed up thought...What if Manuela either has the urn or knows exactly what happened to it?

I dunno. I don't trust her motives concerning Mayte. I think she's certainly shown herself not to be a trustful person in situations concerning P & M1.

I don't know Mani, only what Mayte has reported in her book. But I cannot imagine a mother (because as far as I know, Mani is a mother now) would do that to another mother. Yeah, Mani did not do Mayte right at all, but it takes two to tangle, and Prince was a full grown man and willing and able. I know Mani was supposedly a Prince fan to begin with, on Amp all those years ago, but if Prince had not shown any interest, I don't know if Mani would have gotten beyond the front door. It seems to me that if Prince wanted something, he went after it wholeheartedly. I'm not excusing Mani, because as a Prince fan, she would have known he was married. But, I just can't let my mind go there with the speculation, that Mani would stoop that low. As a woman and a mother, I just can't imagine another woman keeping a mother's ashes and urn of a child she lost.

LBrent said:

precioux said:

Honestly, Lbrent...I've stated that before. Reason being that M2 was all up in arms in regards to the divorce becoming unsealed...from what we've seen, nothing was of that much importance...UNLESS...what M2 didn't want seen was redacted from the divorce docs, possibly the entire IM conversation in regards to Mayte's possessions that were burned in LG's backyard? Maybe Mani told Mayte this before the docs were unsealed to give her a heads up in case it was diclosed. This would not account for the supposed information coming from a "compassionate" friend, as I don't think Mayte sees Manuela in that light. Who knows? Just a thought

Also, Mayte never mentioned the stuff being burned in LG's backyard.

Who initially put that info out there?

Hmmm...

There's more to this than meets the eye.

I hope Mayte has left that M2 "friendship" cool for her own sake.

M2 has an agenda where M1's concerned and i don't understand why. You break up the marraige, you got what you wanted, why the need to keep M1 in your sights?

I hope Halle Berry invites EB to lunch. M2 has some dharmic/karmic sh*t that will eventually slap her square in her face. Ugh, I hate it when folks get away scottfree with scandalous sh*t.

Manuela did. An excerpt of her electronic conversation with Prince was brought out to the public when they unsealed the divorce record. In that conversation, Mani said she went in the house without him because she didn't want her stuff to be burnt like Mayte's in LG backyard.

Keep in mind however that no matter who did, who said, and what not...Prince was ultimately who made all decisions. No point in blaming anybody else but him if wrong was done.