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Reply #30 posted 03/11/17 12:50pm

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If Barbarello is talking about Miko, then MIko's take was a bit different than that. Mico and Prince agrued at times but they respected each other and apparently Prince liked his honesty. According to Miko, it was the other band members who got on Miko's nerves because they were not not straight shooters like himself where Prince was concerned. I guess there was a video on which it looked like they were going to come to blows and then the next thing you know Miko wasn't working with Prince anymore. But according to Miko, he was not fired that night or anything. He said that he and Prince discussed it at a night club or something that night. And they parted on good terms and it was the other band member who Miko felt out of place with.

Barbarello tried to claim that he knew what Prince was like with everyone he worked for (at all points of his career.). Really of unfair of him to both Prince and later band members. HOwever, I must say that his analysis that Prince would save face by bullying up on people only to be quite different with those same people when talking to them one on one probably had a great deal of truth to it. Its not easy being a boss and sometimes people forget that.

wonder505 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Barbarella: We would hear that during the Purple Rain period, it was such a family atmosphere with the band and the crew. More forgiving. I think it changed as it went. On the Nude Tour, I heard that the guitar player, who just so funky and so great, would stand up to Prince and they would get in arguments regularly and almost come to blows. After that, there weren't people around him like that. I'm not so sure there were sounding boards. If you disagree with something, he'll humiliate you to save his own face really. One on one was a very different story. But when he had his boys around him, he could gang up on you. So much insecurity, I think.

So what? How long ago was that? Does that speak for every band members experience up until 2016?

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Reply #31 posted 03/11/17 2:39pm

luvgirl

PennyPurple said:

From the article:



As much as they THINK they are the last band Prince was ever in, they weren't.



Sounds like they are just trying to make themselves feel important....





In your mind, how different were the Revolution from his later bands?
We're not the most thrash-y musicians he had. After we broke up, he had guys that were, like, notating their parts. We're just not that. We're scrappy. We were a band. Bobby says it all the time: "We were the last band Prince was ever in."




I agree with you. I felt the same way after reading that. I wished they would just stop saying stuff like that. It doesn't make them look good, and people who used to like them can get turned off by it. Like me for one...I was one of those that were annoyed at the way they handled announcing their tour after Prince past away, but I forgave them, put that past me and chocked it up to the shock of his death, but they keep making sly remarks like these, and it's a turn off because I like The Revolutions... but I also like NPG.
[Edited 3/11/17 14:57pm]
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Reply #32 posted 03/11/17 3:19pm

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rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Barbarella: We would hear that during the Purple Rain period, it was such a family atmosphere with the band and the crew. More forgiving. I think it changed as it went. On the Nude Tour, I heard that the guitar player, who just so funky and so great, would stand up to Prince and they would get in arguments regularly and almost come to blows. After that, there weren't people around him like that. I'm not so sure there were sounding boards. If you disagree with something, he'll humiliate you to save his own face really. One on one was a very different story. But when he had his boys around him, he could gang up on you. So much insecurity, I think.

When did he last perform with Prince. 90s Prince was scary Prince IMO.

idk when, but I think this is a bit of what Wendy was talking about about 'the last band Prince was in...'

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Reply #33 posted 03/11/17 3:39pm

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Yes I remember Miko saying later that it wasn't as black in white, that during the fight Prince said something that concluded to people he was, but it wasn't official till a bit later.

He and Fink(the last of the old purple guard) both left after the Nude tour 1990

They said the new band members seemed to have a whole different attitude.

Miko said that Prince said to him, he expected him to be able to deal with the pressure because of the time period that he/they came from in his camp. But Miko wasn't into being talked to like that.

A: What was the reason that The Revolution split up?

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing. You know growing -- just to get new ideas. 'Cause when they left all the things started changing. The music changed 'cause he got new influences and since I was the only one who was still there besides Fink, all the way up to the Nude Tour there were different people coming and going.

What happened to get the right story from my perspective ... I always keep my guitar on volume 10 -- meaning I can not go any louder. I always did that. But what happened was the sound man turned my guitar up so loud in the middle of the 'big thing' -- and I looked at him [the sound man] to tell him 'Hey man don't do that and Prince didn't see me motion to him and he looked at me and said 'Man turn that damned guitar down!' I was like 'It's not me, it's him' but Prince was really getting upset at me and said 'Look man if you wanna talk then you have an office. I'll go with you man and then we can talk about it but please don't yell at me on the microphone over something like this, which is not even my fault.' You know I took it personal back then and he was still under this thing so I just said: 'Okay see ya!' But I was just going to go to the office and he followed me around all the way to the door and he said 'Get out' and I
said: 'Okay' and I left. He said 'leave' but it was not the kinda 'leave permanently, forever' ... [Later] He came to the club and we talked about it and he explained to me that because he was doing "Graffiti Bridge" at this time, there's a lot of pressure, and the only person that subconsciously he felt could take the pressure was me. I'd already been with him, I knew him, 'cause you don't get to be with somebody like him for so long if you don't know how!

No I left on my own not because of him and I don't know if I feel good when I now say that it was because of the other band members. It was like: Prince -- The Band -- and Me. Me and him was cool but me with the band? Because I'm Miko one hundred per cent, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week always, never changing. But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves. That's basically why I left.

purplerabbithole said:

If Barbarello is talking about Miko, then MIko's take was a bit different than that. Mico and Prince agrued at times but they respected each other and apparently Prince liked his honesty. According to Miko, it was the other band members who got on Miko's nerves because they were not not straight shooters like himself where Prince was concerned. I guess there was a video on which it looked like they were going to come to blows and then the next thing you know Miko wasn't working with Prince anymore. But according to Miko, he was not fired that night or anything. He said that he and Prince discussed it at a night club or something that night. And they parted on good terms and it was the other band member who Miko felt out of place with.

Barbarello tried to claim that he knew what Prince was like with everyone he worked for (at all points of his career.). Really of unfair of him to both Prince and later band members. HOwever, I must say that his analysis that Prince would save face by bullying up on people only to be quite different with those same people when talking to them one on one probably had a great deal of truth to it. Its not easy being a boss and sometimes people forget that.

wonder505 said:

So what? How long ago was that? Does that speak for every band members experience up until 2016?

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Reply #34 posted 03/11/17 3:44pm

OldFriends4Sal
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luvgirl said:

PennyPurple said:

From the article:

As much as they THINK they are the last band Prince was ever in, they weren't.

Sounds like they are just trying to make themselves feel important....

I agree with you. I felt the same way after reading that. I wished they would just stop saying stuff like that. It doesn't make them look good, and people who used to like them can get turned off by it. Like me for one...I was one of those that were annoyed at the way they handled announcing their tour after Prince past away, but I forgave them, put that past me and chocked it up to the shock of his death, but they keep making sly remarks like these, and it's a turn off because I like The Revolutions... but I also like NPG. [Edited 3/11/17 14:57pm]

Tommy Barbarella straight out said on his webpage and in an interview/profile that his NPG group was the best band...

I still think she is just talking about dynamics. A pre-superstardom band of musicians + Prince is going to be very different from a post-superstardom band of musicians + Prince even Miko said 1st NPG group was "But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves."

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Reply #35 posted 03/11/17 5:38pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:



luvgirl said:


PennyPurple said:

From the article:



As much as they THINK they are the last band Prince was ever in, they weren't.



Sounds like they are just trying to make themselves feel important....





I agree with you. I felt the same way after reading that. I wished they would just stop saying stuff like that. It doesn't make them look good, and people who used to like them can get turned off by it. Like me for one...I was one of those that were annoyed at the way they handled announcing their tour after Prince past away, but I forgave them, put that past me and chocked it up to the shock of his death, but they keep making sly remarks like these, and it's a turn off because I like The Revolutions... but I also like NPG. [Edited 3/11/17 14:57pm]


Tommy Barbarella straight out said on his webpage and in an interview/profile that his NPG group was the best band...



I still think she is just talking about dynamics. A pre-superstardom band of musicians + Prince is going to be very different from a post-superstardom band of musicians + Prince even Miko said 1st NPG group was "But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves."



Ok, I hear ya. They both need to cut it then. It makes people think they are pitting themselves against each other, and that's tacky.
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Reply #36 posted 03/13/17 4:43am

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rogifan said:

Interesting comment about The Revolution being Prince's last band. I can understand why they might feel that way. I wonder if Prince would agree.

Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.

.

It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.

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Reply #37 posted 03/13/17 9:39am

paulludvig

NouveauDance said:



rogifan said:


Interesting comment about The Revolution being Prince's last band. I can understand why they might feel that way. I wonder if Prince would agree.

Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.


.


It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.



Of course it was a dig.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #38 posted 03/13/17 9:41am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:


Yes I remember Miko saying later that it wasn't as black in white, that during the fight Prince said something that concluded to people he was, but it wasn't official till a bit later.



He and Fink(the last of the old purple guard) both left after the Nude tour 1990


They said the new band members seemed to have a whole different attitude.


Miko said that Prince said to him, he expected him to be able to deal with the pressure because of the time period that he/they came from in his camp. But Miko wasn't into being talked to like that.



A: What was the reason that The Revolution split up?

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing. You know growing -- just to get new ideas. 'Cause when they left all the things started changing. The music changed 'cause he got new influences and since I was the only one who was still there besides Fink, all the way up to the Nude Tour there were different people coming and going.



What happened to get the right story from my perspective ... I always keep my guitar on volume 10 -- meaning I can not go any louder. I always did that. But what happened was the sound man turned my guitar up so loud in the middle of the 'big thing' -- and I looked at him [the sound man] to tell him 'Hey man don't do that and Prince didn't see me motion to him and he looked at me and said 'Man turn that damned guitar down!' I was like 'It's not me, it's him' but Prince was really getting upset at me and said 'Look man if you wanna talk then you have an office. I'll go with you man and then we can talk about it but please don't yell at me on the microphone over something like this, which is not even my fault.' You know I took it personal back then and he was still under this thing so I just said: 'Okay see ya!' But I was just going to go to the office and he followed me around all the way to the door and he said 'Get out' and I
said: 'Okay' and I left. He said 'leave' but it was not the kinda 'leave permanently, forever' ... [Later] He came to the club and we talked about it and he explained to me that because he was doing "Graffiti Bridge" at this time, there's a lot of pressure, and the only person that subconsciously he felt could take the pressure was me. I'd already been with him, I knew him, 'cause you don't get to be with somebody like him for so long if you don't know how!


No I left on my own not because of him and I don't know if I feel good when I now say that it was because of the other band members. It was like: Prince -- The Band -- and Me. Me and him was cool but me with the band? Because I'm Miko one hundred per cent, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week always, never changing. But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves. That's basically why I left.




purplerabbithole said:


If Barbarello is talking about Miko, then MIko's take was a bit different than that. Mico and Prince agrued at times but they respected each other and apparently Prince liked his honesty. According to Miko, it was the other band members who got on Miko's nerves because they were not not straight shooters like himself where Prince was concerned. I guess there was a video on which it looked like they were going to come to blows and then the next thing you know Miko wasn't working with Prince anymore. But according to Miko, he was not fired that night or anything. He said that he and Prince discussed it at a night club or something that night. And they parted on good terms and it was the other band member who Miko felt out of place with.



Barbarello tried to claim that he knew what Prince was like with everyone he worked for (at all points of his career.). Really of unfair of him to both Prince and later band members. HOwever, I must say that his analysis that Prince would save face by bullying up on people only to be quite different with those same people when talking to them one on one probably had a great deal of truth to it. Its not easy being a boss and sometimes people forget that.





wonder505 said:


So what? How long ago was that? Does that speak for every band members experience up until 2016?






I like that Miko confirms that Prince fired the Rev because he wanted to develope as an artist.
The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #39 posted 03/13/17 10:37am

OldFriends4Sal
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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes I remember Miko saying later that it wasn't as black in white, that during the fight Prince said something that concluded to people he was, but it wasn't official till a bit later.

He and Fink(the last of the old purple guard) both left after the Nude tour 1990

They said the new band members seemed to have a whole different attitude.

Miko said that Prince said to him, he expected him to be able to deal with the pressure because of the time period that he/they came from in his camp. But Miko wasn't into being talked to like that.

A: What was the reason that The Revolution split up?

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing. You know growing -- just to get new ideas. 'Cause when they left all the things started changing. The music changed 'cause he got new influences and since I was the only one who was still there besides Fink, all the way up to the Nude Tour there were different people coming and going.

What happened to get the right story from my perspective ... I always keep my guitar on volume 10 -- meaning I can not go any louder. I always did that. But what happened was the sound man turned my guitar up so loud in the middle of the 'big thing' -- and I looked at him [the sound man] to tell him 'Hey man don't do that and Prince didn't see me motion to him and he looked at me and said 'Man turn that damned guitar down!' I was like 'It's not me, it's him' but Prince was really getting upset at me and said 'Look man if you wanna talk then you have an office. I'll go with you man and then we can talk about it but please don't yell at me on the microphone over something like this, which is not even my fault.' You know I took it personal back then and he was still under this thing so I just said: 'Okay see ya!' But I was just going to go to the office and he followed me around all the way to the door and he said 'Get out' and I
said: 'Okay' and I left. He said 'leave' but it was not the kinda 'leave permanently, forever' ... [Later] He came to the club and we talked about it and he explained to me that because he was doing "Graffiti Bridge" at this time, there's a lot of pressure, and the only person that subconsciously he felt could take the pressure was me. I'd already been with him, I knew him, 'cause you don't get to be with somebody like him for so long if you don't know how!

No I left on my own not because of him and I don't know if I feel good when I now say that it was because of the other band members. It was like: Prince -- The Band -- and Me. Me and him was cool but me with the band? Because I'm Miko one hundred per cent, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week always, never changing. But they -- when Prince came into the room it was like 'Okay -- lights, camera, action', a whole new personality came out and they weren't true to themselves. That's basically why I left.

I like that Miko confirms that Prince fired the Rev because he wanted to develope as an artist.

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing.

if that reads 'confirm' to you then you must guide life by gossip columns

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Reply #40 posted 03/13/17 1:06pm

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I like that Miko confirms that Prince fired the Rev because he wanted to develope as an artist.

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing.

if that reads 'confirm' to you then you must guide life by gossip columns

"You know growing -- just to get new ideas". Miko was there WITH the Rev and AFTER the Rev. He knows what he's talking about.

The wooh is on the one!
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Reply #41 posted 03/13/17 1:12pm

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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing.

if that reads 'confirm' to you then you must guide life by gossip columns

"You know growing -- just to get new ideas". Miko was there WITH the Rev and AFTER the Rev. He knows what he's talking about.


If he knows what he's talking about then why does he say he doesn't know?

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Reply #42 posted 03/13/17 4:49pm

OldFriends4Sal
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paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Miko: I don't know. I think it was a Prince thing.

if that reads 'confirm' to you then you must guide life by gossip columns

"You know growing -- just to get new ideas". Miko was there WITH the Rev and AFTER the Rev. He knows what he's talking about.

Miko: I don't know.

the rest is what everyone says about being a musician or artist.


Prince talked about it in 1990. And it was clearly more personal and emotional.
Which is why he wrote and dedicated In This Bed I Scream

and Wendy & Lisa & Susannah continued to be friends with Prince throught his life. and even performed with him...

Miko: I don't know.

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Reply #43 posted 03/13/17 5:02pm

jdcxc

NouveauDance said:



rogifan said:


Interesting comment about The Revolution being Prince's last band. I can understand why they might feel that way. I wonder if Prince would agree.

Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.


.


It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.



How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound.

At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.
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Reply #44 posted 03/13/17 5:13pm

OldFriends4Sal
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jdcxc said:

NouveauDance said:

Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.

.

It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.

How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

how is this a Dig? he had guys that were, like, notating their parts. We're just not that. We're scrappy.

The ONA band and the 1980s Prince band are extremely different synergies. Prince like you said later was a bandleader. He was very different in later bands that in the earlier bands. It is far from being a negative.

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Reply #45 posted 03/13/17 5:13pm

OldFriends4Sal
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sexton said:

paulludvig said:

"You know growing -- just to get new ideas". Miko was there WITH the Rev and AFTER the Rev. He knows what he's talking about.


If he knows what he's talking about then why does he say he doesn't know?

that's wha I'm sayin

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Reply #46 posted 03/14/17 8:01am

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OldFriends4Sale said:



sexton said:




paulludvig said:



"You know growing -- just to get new ideas". Miko was there WITH the Rev and AFTER the Rev. He knows what he's talking about.




If he knows what he's talking about then why does he say he doesn't know?




that's wha I'm sayin


Did you read the interview. The truth is Prince had bands after the Revolution that killed them. He wanted to move on musically you can hear it in the music.
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Reply #47 posted 03/14/17 9:09am

OldFriends4Sal
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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

that's wha I'm sayin

Did you read the interview. The truth is Prince had bands after the Revolution that killed them. He wanted to move on musically you can hear it in the music.

of course I read it and cut n pasted from it.

That is why I said Wendy was not taking a dig @ anywone. She called themselves a scrappy band

and she said:he had guys that were, like, notating their parts

I think some people need to look up 'notating'

she was paying a compliment

But SOTT was the same thing musically that would happen if it was the Dream Factory

even Cat on her FB page said the Revolution was her favorite band

But nothing will/could ever touch that golden period of 1978-1988

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Reply #48 posted 03/14/17 1:12pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Who's going to be singing?
Well, that's the thing. Everybody keeps saying, "Well, why are you doing it? Who's going to sing? Who's going to be Prince? Who's going to be the centerpiece?" All right, let's break this down: No one. No one's going to be Prince. No one will ever be Prince, and none of us in the band are going to try and be him. You can't. It's just not going to happen.

So WHO is going 2 b singing?

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Reply #49 posted 03/14/17 2:31pm

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jdcxc said:

NouveauDance said:

Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.

.

It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.

How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.

>

The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).

>

These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.

>

There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.

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Reply #50 posted 03/14/17 4:38pm

wonder505

Germanegro said:

jdcxc said:

NouveauDance said: How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.

>

The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).

>

These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.

>

There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.

They were tight with Prince. Once Prince was removed from the equation, they fell flat, both in their own studio work and live performances. shrug

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Reply #51 posted 03/14/17 5:40pm

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Germanegro said:

jdcxc said:

NouveauDance said: How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.

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The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).

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These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.

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There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.

That is what I'm saying.

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Reply #52 posted 03/14/17 6:21pm

luvgirl

OldFriends4Sale said:



laurarichardson said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



that's wha I'm sayin



Did you read the interview. The truth is Prince had bands after the Revolution that killed them. He wanted to move on musically you can hear it in the music.


of course I read it and cut n pasted from it.


That is why I said Wendy was not taking a dig @ anywone. She called themselves a scrappy band



and she said:he had guys that were, like, notating their parts



I think some people need to look up 'notating'



she was paying a compliment


But SOTT was the same thing musically that would happen if it was the Dream Factory


even Cat on her FB page said the Revolution was her favorite band


But nothing will/could ever touch that golden period of 1978-1988






In regards to The Dream Factory album, what do you mean it would have been the same thing musically that would happen if it was SOTT? Didn't Prince replace collaborative efforts with The Revolutions on The Dream Factory album? I've read that he shelved the material he had developed with the Revolution, and used his solo compositions for Crystal Ball turned SOTT. Apart from Star Fish that is.. I might be misunderstanding what you are saying though. Oh, and I looked up notating because although I thought I knew what it meant, you made me second guess myself when you said people need to look it up. lol It's pretty much what I thought it meant. Here is the definition.

Notating
verb (used with object), notated, notating.
1. to note, mark, or set down in a system of notation

I guess she was saying they could do their parts?
[Edited 3/14/17 20:15pm]
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Reply #53 posted 03/14/17 11:21pm

rogifan

wonder505 said:



Germanegro said:




jdcxc said:


NouveauDance said: How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.


>


The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).


>


These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.


>


There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.





They were tight with Prince. Once Prince was removed from the equation, they fell flat, both in their own studio work and live performances. shrug


Exactly.
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Reply #54 posted 03/15/17 5:21am

jdcxc

Germanegro said:



jdcxc said:


NouveauDance said:


Of course he wouldn't. Whatever he was doing or promoting right at that moment was always the best thing Prince ever did, whether he believed it or not.


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It also wasn't a dig at the NPG.



How could it not have been? She needs to check out some of the brilliant live performances post-Revolution. It takes a "band" to get that Musicology/One Nite Alone sound. At all times, Prince was a premier Bandleader. Think Miles Davis and not The Beatles. Wendy has always given the Revolution too much credit.

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.


>


The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).


>


These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.


>


There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.



All Bands have different dynamics and relationships. They create different music as a result. This is a lot different than saying post-Revolution bands were not "Bands." They just had different dynamics. The Miles Davis bands of the 50's were different than his bands in the 70's. James Brown's multiple band lineups had different unique personalities as a band.

It appears that you are defining "Band" within a certain concept that you percieve the Revolution to be. The truth is, even the Revolution had limited input into Prince's musical creations during their three album run.
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jdcxc said:

Germanegro said:

I'm not one to place the Revolution on a pedestal as the pinnacle of Prince's artistic output, but I concur with Wendy's (& the band's) comment that they were the last band that you can say he was in with respect to the group dynamic. The subsequent bands all had their special thing, too, taking nothing away from fueling Prince's creativity, making unique contributions, and so many of their killer chops, but the post-Revolution and NPG bands live on a different rung as vehicles for Prince's post-Revolution star-machine.

>

The Revolution really were a formative band that were around Prince as he hit the initial highlight of fame, and they co-wrote music together, sharing universal album credit on all 3 Prince and the Revolution albums. Their membership was consistent, rarely changing save expansion for the ATWIAD (w/ Wendy & Lisa sibs) and the "Parade" projects (Miko, dancers, & horn men).

>

These folks were tight, the first cohesive group to embrace the purple: Bobby played drums with Prince since adolescence. Prince lived with Wendy--"shoulder-to-shoulder in-and-out the bathroom" -stlye--for a while. He reputedly was engaged to Wendy's twin sister. Mark was the first bassist on the scene to replace his boy from the beginning, Andre since when their fathers were friends. Fink stayed around through a couple post-Revoultion album/tour cylcles before dropping out. Hardly any subsequent bandmembers share such origin history, save the other close distinction of hometown people the Game Boys (u no who), & Sonny T. hometown idol of Prince.

>

There's Mayte and Larry, of course, and I'm sure that every player had their own bit of magic with the man, but by my rating I'll give "The Rev" the last-band-with-Prince distinction.

All Bands have different dynamics and relationships. They create different music as a result. This is a lot different than saying post-Revolution bands were not "Bands." They just had different dynamics. The Miles Davis bands of the 50's were different than his bands in the 70's. James Brown's multiple band lineups had different unique personalities as a band. It appears that you are defining "Band" within a certain concept that you percieve the Revolution to be. The truth is, even the Revolution had limited input into Prince's musical creations during their three album run.

but Wendy did not say they were not bands.
She said it was the last band Prince was in. I have never said it like that but I always saw a clear pr-fame distinction and post fame distinction. And how she put it sorta says it as I'm definining it. Prince was 'IN' the band prior, the band(s) prior were more an reflection of Prince in look, in the twin thing he had happening, in the vision and direction of purple music:Uptown Erotic City Paisley Park -there was this unfolding and cohesive thing happening - revolutionary rock n roll.

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"I wanted community more than anything else." -Nov 1999

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A government of love and music boundless in its unifying power {fade out}
A nation of art 2 production
Sharing ideas, a shower of flowers

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It wasn't 'purple music' after 88. It was a New Power, but the bands reflection was never the same after 88. NPG(we've had discussions on this before) never really meant much outside of being a band name. Listening to the lovesexy stuff and outtakes it seemed like NPG was being defined, New Power Soul Power From Above We Got the Power New Power beat etc... but once the Lovesexy band disbanded that all seemed to go no where, especially once Graffiti Bridge never made an impact. NPG just became a brand name. Jill Jones said that Prince was going to do the same with Vanity 6 after Apollonia did not want to do it further than the movie. He was going to call it Pandora 6 so no matter the name of the woman, the concept wouldn't have to change. I think the same thing became with the NPG but the meaning was lost back in 89/90.

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Even when you look @ the large music community with the proteges in the 80s (1981-1986 more specifically) it worked. But in the 90s nope in the 2000s nope even in the 89 period with Tony Lemans and other groups as well as Madhouse, it just didn't work anymore. I know the whole Paisley Park complex thing with many musicians/artists coming through there was a new thing. It just didn't work. Prince ended up throwing eveyone out on that.

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I tried to do a trace or a 'study' if you will on the evolution of NPG and it clearly fell flat in 89

3rd Eye (Girl) outside of it being 3 ladies as a band never really did what Prince wanted. It was supposed to be a stripped down rock directed thing, it sorta started out like that, but he seemed to not be able to get away with the need to do the hits and therefore completely change what it was to be.

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luvgirl said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

of course I read it and cut n pasted from it.

That is why I said Wendy was not taking a dig @ anywone. She called themselves a scrappy band

and she said:he had guys that were, like, notating their parts

I think some people need to look up 'notating'

she was paying a compliment

But SOTT was the same thing musically that would happen if it was the Dream Factory

even Cat on her FB page said the Revolution was her favorite band

But nothing will/could ever touch that golden period of 1978-1988

In regards to The Dream Factory album, what do you mean it would have been the same thing musically that would happen if it was SOTT? Didn't Prince replace collaborative efforts with The Revolutions on The Dream Factory album? I've read that he shelved the material he had developed with the Revolution, and used his solo compositions for Crystal Ball turned SOTT. Apart from Star Fish that is.. I might be misunderstanding what you are saying though. Oh, and I looked up notating because although I thought I knew what it meant, you made me second guess myself when you said people need to look it up. lol It's pretty much what I thought it meant. Here is the definition. Notating verb (used with object), notated, notating. 1. to note, mark, or set down in a system of notation I guess she was saying they could do their parts? [Edited 3/14/17 20:15pm]

I think others think 'notating' is a negative. It clearly is not. She was paying them a compliment.
It is not the first time she said something about a later band being great musicians.

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Reply #57 posted 03/15/17 9:51am

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rogifan said:

wonder505 said:

They were tight with Prince. Once Prince was removed from the equation, they fell flat, both in their own studio work and live performances. shrug

Exactly.

Well, no. Didn't each of them carry on with studio & entertainment careers, albeit with a normal amount of professional success vs the superstardom found with their former exceptional bandleader? I wouldn't call that "falling flat" as if they'd been steamrolled to the pavement. Some of these people's works were actually top-of-the-industry award-winning--dang! lol

>

Just because you don't like what they're saying about their association with Prince. rolleyes

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Reply #58 posted 03/15/17 10:44am

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jdcxc said:

All Bands have different dynamics and relationships. They create different music as a result. This is a lot different than saying post-Revolution bands were not "Bands." They just had different dynamics. The Miles Davis bands of the 50's were different than his bands in the 70's. James Brown's multiple band lineups had different unique personalities as a band. It appears that you are defining "Band" within a certain concept that you percieve the Revolution to be. The truth is, even the Revolution had limited input into Prince's musical creations during their three album run.

Yes, indeed. I don't say here that post-Revolution bands were not "Bands" (whatever distinction you mean between band and "Band"). The Revolution were his first major league group with a unique identity that helped procure his intial great success. They lived together within a unique community, yes, that was pretty tight in association (c'mon: sharing living quarters 'n dating the guitarist's twin?), probably moreso that subsequent bands of his. This is probably what Wendy & bandmates meant in their comment of "last band that Prince was in," I'd wager.

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Certainly. Prince was the bandleader throughout, produced the songs, and called the shots, even the credits for songwriting. It was his call to give the full band credit for those 3 albums that they produced together, and that probably means something about their spirit of community as a band enterprise that stands apart from subsequent Bands.

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I don't care to distinguish this characteristic to take anything away from the uniqueness, talents, or manner of contributions applied among Prince's subsequent "Bands," but simply to make the point that The Revolution was the one that he came out of the blocks with, so to speak, toward big-league success, and held particularly tight bonds with them.

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Anything that can be said about the truth of proportional contributions to all of those "Prince" songs rests within the jam sessions of ages ago; only the participants have that knowledge.

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Germanegro said:

rogifan said:

wonder505 said: Exactly.

Well, no. Didn't each of them carry on with studio & entertainment careers, albeit with a normal amount of professional success vs the superstardom found with their former exceptional bandleader? I wouldn't call that "falling flat" as if they'd been steamrolled to the pavement. Some of these people's works were actually top-of-the-industry award-winning--dang! lol

>

Just because you don't like what they're saying about their association with Prince. rolleyes

I acknowlege Wendy and Lisa's accomplishment scoring TV shows and I believe they won awards for composing. I'm not sure what award winning work you're referring to with the other Revolution members. and even be, I referred to their individual studio music which sucked bad, and their live performances which to me falls flat without Prince as the leader.

Just because YOU don't like what I'M saying about Revolution members. ROLL EYES....

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