ficktyt said:

Fury said:

LEATHRSAIL said:

Latin said:

ecnirp98 said:

Managed to get 2 GA tickets, had to install dolphin browser on phone, error appears to be with captica check.

now I just gotta find flights from UK and NYC hotel!

purplerabbithole said:

Yes, they are performing at Paisley on the 21th. But there are dates before and after the anniversary celebration scheduled for these folks. Did they hire Bilial as well? I guess the "Stillagroup" label irks me the most. For one thing, this configuration of folks was never a group as far as I know (Andre, Dez, Lisa, Dr. Fink, Bobby Z, and Wendy all at the same time?--when did that happen other than after Prince died.) But, we get it. You are still a band without Prince. I guess the Rolling Stones would be a band without Mick Jagger and the Beatles would still be a band without John Lennon. In fact, I don't think either group of remaining members of these bands would think Lennon and Jagger were replaceable or unneeded in order to proceed..and Lennon and McCartney were nearly equal in their contributions. To me what they are doing is the equivalent of George Harrison (RIP) putting together a band with Ringo Starr and some studio musicians who had helped fill out the sounds on Sergeant Peppers and then calling themselves "StilltheBeatles". Yes, important contributors to the BEatles but missing the two most important members of the group.

Nope. But you tried it!

It's more like "The Revolution" as both were configured + 1 other person to fill out the guitar sound inevitably lost with P's passing.

Which would be

1999 Album (The Revolution)

Dez

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

OR

Purple Rain Album

Wendy

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

This whole Ringo and George Harrison plus other studio musicians nonesense.

You tried it tho!

I just emailed BB Kings in NYC as I am hoping to bring my 10 year old over with me from the UK, he has always wanted to see NY (loves Spiderman and likes the US - Florida anyways where we have had holidays before), obviously being a music venue serving drinks, I know they can be strict on laws in US, the FAQ just said no age restrictions as long as the event does not have restrictions, which it did not.

My concern is VIP was not available when I pre-saled, so I am hoping I can reserve a table or get in early enough to sit at a table, my son is tall for his age, but standing in a large group of adults would not really be an option.

I've had a look on trip advisor and lots of people are talking about eating before shows etc, has anyone on here been to BB Kings before who can advise? I'm not sure if they will be serving food etc as it's a gig?

seriously purplerabbithole? This is an information page about the shows, what more can be judge from them or any other musicians who performed with Prince?
Either you contact them and ask them, or just don't support it. I people 'feel' stuff, but feelings cannot override facts.

Prince had no problem with the performing or using the name
It is happening. People are not 21 anymore/no one lives forever. We could easily get news that someone from the Sheila E camp Apollonia 6 the Time Revolution or NPG passes away this year. In a few days we remember that Denise Matthews/Vanity died, in December Kim Upsher passed away 2015

Let them enjoy this, no one is promised tomorrow...

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Bobby Z's heart stopped. Twice. In the hospital. His family was summoned. So was his rabbi. But Z survived.

Now, 12 months later, he is drumming, producing and celebrating with the band that made him famous, Prince & the Revolution. Sunday night at First Avenue, the "Purple Rain"-era lineup will reunite -- Dr. Fink, Brownmark, Wendy & Lisa and Bobby Z.

And Prince? "Out of respect, he might not come," Z said. "It's not a dis, it's the opposite."

Over the years, the Revolution has discussed getting together, but "schedules got busy and -- someday, someday, someday," said keyboardist Lisa Coleman. "We could have lost Bobby and lost the chance. It made us say: No more waiting."

Their only reunion was in 2003 when the Revolution, sans Prince, did a cameo performance at a Los Angeles charity gig organized by Sheila E.

purplerabbithole said:

They performed together in a reunion type format in 2012 when he was alive. (he did not join them but he also did not sue them). the lawsuit claim has no proof. If my understanding is correct, the Time could perform live but they could not record and perform new material under that particular band name. (after all, Morris Day and the Time performed at Paisley in January 2016 under their original names.)

The notion that Prince would sue simply for performing under their old name would make Dez's statement that he had been waiting a long time to perform with these guys imply that Prince's death was a blessing in terms of their freedom to perform together.

Reminder,,,Price wasn't just a bandleader. He wrote most of the songs (or at the very least co-wrote) and he even performed alone on a porton of the recordings without a band...When Doves Cry, Beautiful Ones, and Darling Nikki being the most famous. He also produced much of his work. I am not trying to belittle their contributions but their contributions were not equal to his own in terms of recording and writing.. They are not replaceable necessarily in terms of their influence on him (Lisa and Wendy in particular)..But without Prince, the Revolution would not have existed.

I am not really upset about the concept of touring, reunion or tributes. BUt i question the timing and the method, and for that reason, I am very sensitive to the nuances. A reunion in which they perform new material (with an altered name like "The New Revolution"--I would respect (as long as it wasn't the month of his death) because it is obvious Prince would have been cool with it when he was. A tribute in which they cover more of his career--I would respect (no matter when they choose to do it) because it shows that they are really trying to honor the man and not just promote themselves using their connection to him. . If it is on the anniversary of his death then I would think a tribute would be much more tasteful and respectful than a reunion (especially if the reunion only consists of 80's music they were involved with.). I can't claim to know what their intentions are, but I know what i feel like it looks.

CandyCool said:

ecnirp98 said: Agree: 1. It's a tribute 2. I hope they come to Europe

[Edited 2/8/17 15:17pm]

[Edited 2/8/17 15:39pm]

purplerabbithole said:

They performed together in a reunion type format in 2012 when he was alive. (he did not join them but he also did not sue them). the lawsuit claim has no proof. If my understanding is correct, the Time could perform live but they could not record and perform new material under that particular band name. (after all, Morris Day and the Time performed at Paisley in January 2016 under their original names.)

The notion that Prince would sue simply for performing under their old name would make Dez's statement that he had been waiting a long time to perform with these guys imply that Prince's death was a blessing in terms of their freedom to perform together.

Reminder,,,Price wasn't just a bandleader. He wrote most of the songs (or at the very least co-wrote) and he even performed alone on a porton of the recordings without a band...When Doves Cry, Beautiful Ones, and Darling Nikki being the most famous. He also produced much of his work. I am not trying to belittle their contributions but their contributions were not equal to his own in terms of recording and writing.. They are not replaceable necessarily in terms of their influence on him (Lisa and Wendy in particular)..But without Prince, the Revolution would not have existed.

I am not really upset about the concept of touring, reunion or tributes. BUt i question the timing and the method, and for that reason, I am very sensitive to the nuances. A reunion in which they perform new material (with an altered name like "The New Revolution"--I would respect (as long as it wasn't the month of his death) because it is obvious Prince would have been cool with it when he was. A tribute in which they cover more of his career--I would respect (no matter when they choose to do it) because it shows that they are really trying to honor the man and not just promote themselves using their connection to him. . If it is on the anniversary of his death then I would think a tribute would be much more tasteful and respectful than a reunion (especially if the reunion only consists of 80's music they were involved with.). I can't claim to know what their intentions are, but I know what i feel like it looks.

CandyCool said:

ecnirp98 said: Agree: 1. It's a tribute 2. I hope they come to Europe

[Edited 2/8/17 15:17pm]

[Edited 2/8/17 15:39pm]

Hi PurpleRabbitHole

I probably chucked out the lawsuit comment too lightly, I cannot speak for Prince or his legal people obviously, but he was very letigious when it came to his music/image/ownership (too his own harm sometimes IMO), we all know the stories about youtube/website people being taken down etc.

I know that the Revolution have played a few one off gigs over the years for tributes/fund raisers, I think there was one for Bobby Z for his heart foundation in Minneapolis? but all these gigs were one off's, the gigs/tour they are doing now is obviously a money earner as well, its not just a tribute, so I am not sure what Prince's reaction would be too this now if he knew his former band members went on tour playing music he/they had contributed to, maybe it's something they never tried for 30 years as they could guess his reaction?

At the end of the day, as far as I see it, Prince has gone, for me personally the Revolution was my favourite era/music, probably also because of the time in my life 30+ years ago, not just the music. I will never see another live Prince concert again for me this is the closest it will get, it isn't Prince, but its some of his closest musical partners who helped create that music, playing that music live, it will be great fun and I will enjoy it, but I am under no illusions that it is some sort of tribute to Prince (the Paisley Park event will be that I guess), this is a tour to enjoy the music and make some money, I have no problem with that.

I never did wait for the Europe gigs, I bought for NYC !!!!

ecnirp98 said:

that it is some sort of tribute to Prince (the Paisley Park event will be that I guess),

It absolutely is a tour for the millions of people who love this era, love this man, and who never got to experience this music performed live. And we're very appreciative of this tribute. IF at the same time there is more than a break even, we also know that it's not mutually exclusive to pay tribute and perform service to a community and also earn some sort of living at the same time. And many huminitarian organizations who actually do good work and have a paid staff are proof that it's possible to do just that.

It would also not surprise me that they would donate portions of proceeds to charity.

And I'm also questioning what if any money they get on this tour (of what, 4 dates?). Touring acts that make a lot of money typically are established and releasing material or working on dropping material (none of which we know this group to be doing).

Tours also cost a LOT of money and carry with it many costs.

Consider the equipment: That includes the actual instruments. That includes rentals of the sounds systems (amps, speakers, mixers), lighting rigs (with their own tech).

This also includes transportation for the equipment including busses,

Also, guess what else costs? Staff. That equipment isn't going to arrange itself. We're looking at sound crew, sound engineer, lighting crew, lighting operator, backline, stage manager etc as probably minumum. That's just the touring crew. That doesn't take into account the local crew for each venue.

That also doesn't include people working at the venues themselves.

Speaking of venues, they also cost. And not only do they cost, they cut into other potential profit areas as well in terms of taking cuts of any merche sales and ticket sales.

This also doesn't take into account the costs of promotion nor does it take into account the costs of management who negotiates promotion.

There's a LOT of costs associated with touring to just break even. Period. So this whole "it must be just to make money" shit gets the gasface.

Can't wait to see the group and get to experience their tribute to an artist whose work is fucking amazing, and whose work they also contributed to.

GuyBros said:

ecnirp98 said:

that it is some sort of tribute to Prince (the Paisley Park event will be that I guess),

It absolutely is a tour for the millions of people who love this era, love this man, and who never got to experience this music performed live. And we're very appreciative of this tribute. IF at the same time there is more than a break even, we also know that it's not mutually exclusive to pay tribute and perform service to a community and also earn some sort of living at the same time. And many huminitarian organizations who actually do good work and have a paid staff are proof that it's possible to do just that.

It would also not surprise me that they would donate portions of proceeds to charity.

And I'm also questioning what if any money they get on this tour (of what, 4 dates?). Touring acts that make a lot of money typically are established and releasing material or working on dropping material (none of which we know this group to be doing).

Tours also cost a LOT of money and carry with it many costs.

Consider the equipment: That includes the actual instruments. That includes rentals of the sounds systems (amps, speakers, mixers), lighting rigs (with their own tech).

This also includes transportation for the equipment including busses,

Also, guess what else costs? Staff. That equipment isn't going to arrange itself. We're looking at sound crew, sound engineer, lighting crew, lighting operator, backline, stage manager etc as probably minumum. That's just the touring crew. That doesn't take into account the local crew for each venue.

That also doesn't include people working at the venues themselves.

Speaking of venues, they also cost. And not only do they cost, they cut into other potential profit areas as well in terms of taking cuts of any merche sales and ticket sales.

This also doesn't take into account the costs of promotion nor does it take into account the costs of management who negotiates promotion.

There's a LOT of costs associated with touring to just break even. Period. So this whole "it must be just to make money" shit gets the gasface.

Can't wait to see the group and get to experience their tribute to an artist whose work is fucking amazing, and whose work they also contributed to.

I agree, this is not a money making tour looking at the venues, they could make allot more playing Europe, I am sure they would sell out venues like Shepherds Bush where Prince recently played.

I meant the Paisley Park more as a tribute as this is timed for the anniversary of his passing, the event is a 'Celebration' which for me is just the same as a tribute, remember the man, remembering the work.

I do not know what contribution they are making to charitys/communitiies, we never really knew allot of Princes until after his passing, so I cannot comment.

I expect more dates will be added and they could take the tour to Europe etc, I see these concerts as a toe in the water to see the reaction of the fans.

ecnirp98 said:

GuyBros said:

It absolutely is a tour for the millions of people who love this era, love this man, and who never got to experience this music performed live. And we're very appreciative of this tribute. IF at the same time there is more than a break even, we also know that it's not mutually exclusive to pay tribute and perform service to a community and also earn some sort of living at the same time. And many huminitarian organizations who actually do good work and have a paid staff are proof that it's possible to do just that.

It would also not surprise me that they would donate portions of proceeds to charity.

And I'm also questioning what if any money they get on this tour (of what, 4 dates?). Touring acts that make a lot of money typically are established and releasing material or working on dropping material (none of which we know this group to be doing).

Tours also cost a LOT of money and carry with it many costs.

Consider the equipment: That includes the actual instruments. That includes rentals of the sounds systems (amps, speakers, mixers), lighting rigs (with their own tech).

This also includes transportation for the equipment including busses,

Also, guess what else costs? Staff. That equipment isn't going to arrange itself. We're looking at sound crew, sound engineer, lighting crew, lighting operator, backline, stage manager etc as probably minumum. That's just the touring crew. That doesn't take into account the local crew for each venue.

That also doesn't include people working at the venues themselves.

Speaking of venues, they also cost. And not only do they cost, they cut into other potential profit areas as well in terms of taking cuts of any merche sales and ticket sales.

This also doesn't take into account the costs of promotion nor does it take into account the costs of management who negotiates promotion.

There's a LOT of costs associated with touring to just break even. Period. So this whole "it must be just to make money" shit gets the gasface.

Can't wait to see the group and get to experience their tribute to an artist whose work is fucking amazing, and whose work they also contributed to.

I agree, this is not a money making tour looking at the venues, they could make allot more playing Europe, I am sure they would sell out venues like Shepherds Bush where Prince recently played.

I meant the Paisley Park more as a tribute as this is timed for the anniversary of his passing, the event is a 'Celebration' which for me is just the same as a tribute, remember the man, remembering the work.

I do not know what contribution they are making to charitys/communitiies, we never really knew allot of Princes until after his passing, so I cannot comment.

I expect more dates will be added and they could take the tour to Europe etc, I see these concerts as a toe in the water to see the reaction of the fans.

And even if they went on tour to Europe, that still doesn't mean that this isn't a tribute. There are a lot The Revolution era fans who would never get to see this line up with the man himself. And this would be their way to be able to experience that and pay tribute to that.

GuyBros said:

ecnirp98 said:

I agree, this is not a money making tour looking at the venues, they could make allot more playing Europe, I am sure they would sell out venues like Shepherds Bush where Prince recently played.

I meant the Paisley Park more as a tribute as this is timed for the anniversary of his passing, the event is a 'Celebration' which for me is just the same as a tribute, remember the man, remembering the work.

I do not know what contribution they are making to charitys/communitiies, we never really knew allot of Princes until after his passing, so I cannot comment.

I expect more dates will be added and they could take the tour to Europe etc, I see these concerts as a toe in the water to see the reaction of the fans.

And even if they went on tour to Europe, that still doesn't mean that this isn't a tribute. There are a lot The Revolution era fans who would never get to see this line up with the man himself. And this would be their way to be able to experience that and pay tribute to that.

Playing the music is entertainment, some people will see it as a tribute, some people will see it as a gig, to me, they recorded the music, so it's a gig, but I was lucky enough to see them in London 86.

Playing the music is entertainment, some people will see it as a tribute, some people will see it as a gig, to me, they recorded the music, so it's a gig,

It can be both a tribute and a gig, inasmuch as any act who is performing at Paisley for the Celebration is also performing a tribute and also playing as entertainment, right?

Much like at the actual celebration which not every person can attend, this extension of that tribute to locations outside of Minneapolis will serve as a tribute for many people. Because in addition to recording, they also helped create, and they also performed this music with this person. I mean if these were session musicians who had no real creative input, credits, etc., I guess it could be a gig. But since we both know that's not the case, it cannot simply be regarded as such. But you tried it!

I'm glad we agree that it's perceived as a tribute.

Good for you that you got to see them in '86.

We'll be enjoying the tribute that we'll be seeing in 2017!

[Edited 2/9/17 10:53am]

GuyBros said:

Playing the music is entertainment, some people will see it as a tribute, some people will see it as a gig, to me, they recorded the music, so it's a gig,

It can be both a tribute and a gig, inasmuch as any act who is performing at Paisley for the Celebration is also performing a tribute and also playing as entertainment, right?

Much like at the actual celebration which not every person can attend, this extension of that tribute to locations outside of Minneapolis will serve as a tribute for many people. Because in addition to recording, they also helped create, and they also performed this music with this person. I mean if these were session musicians who had no real creative input, credits, etc., I guess it could be a gig. But since we both know that's not the case, it cannot simply be regarded as such. But you tried it!

I'm glad we agree that it's perceived as a tribute.

Good for you that you got to see them in '86.

We'll be enjoying the tribute that we'll be seeing in 2017!

[Edited 2/9/17 10:53am]

Very true. Many of us would have loved to make it to Minneapolis but could not so it's really great that they are touring and letting fans throughout the world celebrate Prince's music and experience the Revolution live.

E319 said:

Per Andre Cymone's Facebook page

Maia7 said:

Great news!

GuyBros said:

purplerabbithole said:

Yes, they are performing at Paisley on the 21th. But there are dates before and after the anniversary celebration scheduled for these folks. Did they hire Bilial as well? I guess the "Stillagroup" label irks me the most. For one thing, this configuration of folks was never a group as far as I know (Andre, Dez, Lisa, Dr. Fink, Bobby Z, and Wendy all at the same time?--when did that happen other than after Prince died.) But, we get it. You are still a band without Prince. I guess the Rolling Stones would be a band without Mick Jagger and the Beatles would still be a band without John Lennon. In fact, I don't think either group of remaining members of these bands would think Lennon and Jagger were replaceable or unneeded in order to proceed..and Lennon and McCartney were nearly equal in their contributions. To me what they are doing is the equivalent of George Harrison (RIP) putting together a band with Ringo Starr and some studio musicians who had helped fill out the sounds on Sergeant Peppers and then calling themselves "StilltheBeatles". Yes, important contributors to the BEatles but missing the two most important members of the group.

Nope. But you tried it!

It's more like "The Revolution" as both were configured + 1 other person to fill out the guitar sound inevitably lost with P's passing.

Which would be

1999 Album (The Revolution)

Dez

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

OR

Purple Rain Album

Wendy

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

This whole Ringo and George Harrison plus other studio musicians nonesense.

You tried it tho!

It's pretty accurate though. Or maybe it's giving the Rev members to much credit?

paulludvig said:

GuyBros said:

Nope. But you tried it!

It's more like "The Revolution" as both were configured + 1 other person to fill out the guitar sound inevitably lost with P's passing.

Which would be

1999 Album (The Revolution)

Dez

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

OR

Purple Rain Album

Wendy

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

This whole Ringo and George Harrison plus other studio musicians nonesense.

You tried it tho!

It's pretty accurate though. Or maybe it's giving the Rev members to much credit?

why?

they are just saying those are the albums they are directly connected to performing.

Aren't those the people in the band at the time? That is all GuyBros is saying... So you are saying they weren't even there in the band at the time?

OldFriends4Sale said:

paulludvig said:

It's pretty accurate though. Or maybe it's giving the Rev members to much credit?

why?

they are just saying those are the albums they are directly connected to performing.

Aren't those the people in the band at the time? That is all GuyBros is saying... So you are saying they weren't even there in the band at the time?

paulludvig is probably doing one of two things:

1) They are suggesting that the Comparison of Ringo and George + Studio musicians is accurate because they truly believe that most of The Revolution only function as studio musicians. Which is factually inaccurate.

2) The "or" option intends to further discredit The Revolution further by suggesting that calling any member as being comparable to the two named Beatles is "too much credit."

In both of these instances, it's pretty clear that the end goal is to discredit and diminish The Revolution.

This is a pattern of behavior for paulludvig to attempt to diminish The Revolution who has gone out of their way to intentionally derail threads associated with The Revolution or diminish their importance such as here http://prince.org/msg/5/4...sg_9631409 where they're a cover band.

Just a heads up in case others might be tempted to take the bait.

You tried it tho boo boo!

[Edited 2/10/17 16:19pm]

ecnirp98 said:

I just emailed BB Kings in NYC as I am hoping to bring my 10 year old over with me from the UK, he has always wanted to see NY (loves Spiderman and likes the US - Florida anyways where we have had holidays before), obviously being a music venue serving drinks, I know they can be strict on laws in US, the FAQ just said no age restrictions as long as the event does not have restrictions, which it did not.

My concern is VIP was not available when I pre-saled, so I am hoping I can reserve a table or get in early enough to sit at a table, my son is tall for his age, but standing in a large group of adults would not really be an option.

I've had a look on trip advisor and lots of people are talking about eating before shows etc, has anyone on here been to BB Kings before who can advise? I'm not sure if they will be serving food etc as it's a gig?

HE MAY NOT BE ALLOWED IN THE VENUE, THEY SERVE ALCOHOL.

First of all, Ringo and George were not "studio musicians". SOme of the Beatles best songs were written by George Harrison and Ringo also wrote and performed some songs. So equating the Revolution with those two is not an insult. Are you honestly going to say that Wendy and Lisa are the equivalent of Paul while Prince is the equivalent of John. As for the classical studio musicians with the Beatles, the Beatles got help with the classical elements of their songs from gifted classically trained musicans and arrangers (the brilliant Sir George Martin). Nothing wrong with being a gifted studio musician. I didn't say they were just a backing band hired to play for him live (for songs like Darling Nikki, Beautiful Ones, and When Doves Cry, that might be exactly what htey were...unless you think all songs credited solely to Prince are just incorrectly credited to him..)\

I didn't even insult the Revolution with that original comparison. I just didn't give them equal critic to Prince (a musican guilty of performing whole songs and even whole albums mostly by his lonesome.) No, not every song he created during that period came out of a jam he and the Revolution were doing.

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why?

they are just saying those are the albums they are directly connected to performing.

Aren't those the people in the band at the time? That is all GuyBros is saying... So you are saying they weren't even there in the band at the time?

paulludvig is probably doing one of two things:

1) They are suggesting that the Comparison of Ringo and George + Studio musicians is accurate because they truly believe that most of The Revolution only function as studio musicians. Which is factually inaccurate.

2) The "or" option intends to further discredit The Revolution further by suggesting that calling any member as being comparable to the two named Beatles is "too much credit."

In both of these instances, it's pretty clear that the end goal is to discredit and diminish The Revolution.

This is a pattern of behavior for paulludvig to attempt to diminish The Revolution who has gone out of their way to intentionally derail threads associated with The Revolution or diminish their importance such as here http://prince.org/msg/5/4...sg_9631409 where they're a cover band.

Just a heads up in case others might be tempted to take the bait.

You tried it tho boo boo!

[Edited 2/10/17 16:19pm]

[Edited 2/10/17 18:05pm]

purplerabbithole said:

First of all, Ringo and George were not "studio musicians". SOme of the Beatles best songs were written by George Harrison and Ringo also wrote and performed some songs. So equating the Revolution with those two is not an insult. Are you honestly going to say that Wendy and Lisa are the equivalent of Paul while Prince is the equivalent of John. As for the classical studio musicians with the Beatles, the Beatles got help with the classical elements of their songs from gifted classically trained musicans and arrangers (the brilliant Sir George Martin). Nothing wrong with being a gifted studio musician. I didn't say they were just a backing band hired to play for him live (for songs like Darling Nikki, Beautiful Ones, and When Doves Cry, that might be exactly what htey were...unless you think all songs credited solely to Prince are just incorrectly credited to him..)\

I didn't even insult the Revolution with that original comparison. I just didn't give them equal critic to Prince (a musican guilty of performing whole songs and even whole albums mostly by his lonesome.) No, not every song he created during that period came out of a jam he and the Revolution were doing.

GuyBros said:

paulludvig is probably doing one of two things:

1) They are suggesting that the Comparison of Ringo and George + Studio musicians is accurate because they truly believe that most of The Revolution only function as studio musicians. Which is factually inaccurate.

2) The "or" option intends to further discredit The Revolution further by suggesting that calling any member as being comparable to the two named Beatles is "too much credit."

In both of these instances, it's pretty clear that the end goal is to discredit and diminish The Revolution.

This is a pattern of behavior for paulludvig to attempt to diminish The Revolution who has gone out of their way to intentionally derail threads associated with The Revolution or diminish their importance such as here http://prince.org/msg/5/4...sg_9631409 where they're a cover band.

Just a heads up in case others might be tempted to take the bait.

You tried it tho boo boo!

[Edited 2/10/17 16:19pm]

...

1) If you're discussing a point I made prior, it might be less confusing if you are quoting something where I am referencing your post, and not when I'm addressing some bullshit from another person (paulludvig). Unless that is an alternative account for you. If so... I guess... oh, cool. Nice to know you have two profiles.

2) See my earlier response

Nope. But you tried it!

It's more like "The Revolution" as both were configured + 1 other person to fill out the guitar sound inevitably lost with P's passing.

Which would be

1999 Album (The Revolution)

Dez

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

OR

Purple Rain Album

Wendy

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

This whole Ringo and George Harrison plus other studio musicians nonesense.

You tried it tho!

Regardless if "studio musicians" are classicaly trained or otherwise, The Revolution were not that. They are a part of the catalog who created parts entire composition we know as 1999 and Purple Rain. The "Prince and The Revolution" part? They are "The Revolution."

But werk! You get an A for effort.

They are a part of the catalog who created parts entire composition we know as 1999 and Purple Rain.

YOu used me in your reference to the other fellow so I responded to it. You called B.S on my George/Ringo comparision. So, I think you know exactly why I am responding.

Are you actually trying to say they co-wrote 1999? The album? or the song? (They helped much more on Parade and Around the World in a Day--although he still did most of ATWIAD's songs.) I don't deny that Purple Rain the song is a collaborative effort, although the basic blueprint and lyrics are Prince's as well as the closing relatively-long guitar solo. But according to Prince Vault, the only listed musicians on the original session for 1999 (the song) are Prince (all instruments) and Dez, Lisa, and Jill as vocals.

Are you LIsa? Your moniker looks like it. If so, then come forward and explain why you didn't sue Prince for claiming too much credit for 1999.. If not, the only sources we can go by are Prince Vault (a source that even contradicts Prince's liner notes after musicians have revealed their contributions), , liner notes, and testimony. There has been some disputes but not all credits listed soley as Prince are lies. Otherwise, his rep would be in shreds now.

1999 the album seems to be almost completely Prince's show and that the band was mostly used for live performances. Jill Jones has confirmed this and Jimmy Jam and terry lewis described the difficulty of Prince laying down tracks by himself in studio...recording the different parts all by himself. Even the Revolution members has stated that most of the work was Prince.

Little Red Corvette (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted

Lisa Coleman - vocals

Dez Dickerson - vocals, guitar solos

Delirious (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

Let's Pretend We are Married (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

D.M.S.R (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Lisa Coleman - vocals
• Brown Mark - background vocals and handclaps
• Jamie Shoop - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Jamie")
• Carol McGovney - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Carol")
• Peggy McCreary - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Peggy")
• Poochie - background vocals and handclaps
• The Count - background vocals and handclaps

Automatic (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted Lisa Coleman - vocals Jill Jones - vocals (as "J.J.")

Something in the Water (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

FREE (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Lisa Coleman - vocals
• Jill Jones - vocals (as "J.J.")
• Wendy Melvoin - background vocals (as "Wendy")

Lady Cab Driver (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Jill Jones - additional vocals (as "J.J.")

All the Critics Love you in New York/International Love--Prince - all vocals and instruments,(written by Prince)

GuyBros said:

purplerabbithole said:

First of all, Ringo and George were not "studio musicians". SOme of the Beatles best songs were written by George Harrison and Ringo also wrote and performed some songs. So equating the Revolution with those two is not an insult. Are you honestly going to say that Wendy and Lisa are the equivalent of Paul while Prince is the equivalent of John. As for the classical studio musicians with the Beatles, the Beatles got help with the classical elements of their songs from gifted classically trained musicans and arrangers (the brilliant Sir George Martin). Nothing wrong with being a gifted studio musician. I didn't say they were just a backing band hired to play for him live (for songs like Darling Nikki, Beautiful Ones, and When Doves Cry, that might be exactly what htey were...unless you think all songs credited solely to Prince are just incorrectly credited to him..)\

I didn't even insult the Revolution with that original comparison. I just didn't give them equal critic to Prince (a musican guilty of performing whole songs and even whole albums mostly by his lonesome.) No, not every song he created during that period came out of a jam he and the Revolution were doing.

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1) If you're discussing a point I made prior, it might be less confusing if you are quoting something where I am referencing your post, and not when I'm addressing some bullshit from another person (paulludvig). Unless that is an alternative account for you. If so... I guess... oh, cool. Nice to know you have two profiles.

2) See my earlier response

Nope. But you tried it!

It's more like "The Revolution" as both were configured + 1 other person to fill out the guitar sound inevitably lost with P's passing.

Which would be

1999 Album (The Revolution)

Dez

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

OR

Purple Rain Album

Wendy

BrownMark

Lisa

Fink

Bobby

+1

This whole Ringo and George Harrison plus other studio musicians nonesense.

You tried it tho!

Regardless if "studio musicians" are classicaly trained or otherwise, The Revolution were not that. They are a part of the catalog who created parts entire composition we know as 1999 and Purple Rain. The "Prince and The Revolution" part? They are "The Revolution."

But werk! You get an A for effort.

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purplerabbithole said:

They are a part of the catalog who created parts entire composition we know as 1999 and Purple Rain.

YOu used me in your reference to the other fellow so I responded to it. You called B.S on my George/Ringo comparision. So, I think you know exactly why I am responding.

I called BS to the comparison because it was bullshit. Still is.

And for the ease of following what you're objecting to, maybe quote that place where I actually commented at you.

Thanks!

Are you actually trying to say they co-wrote 1999?

Nope. What I actually said was they created parts of the compositions we know as 1999 and Purple Rain, and the albums in their entirety are credited as being a product of Prince & And The Revolution.

I'm less concerned with 1999 for the purpose of this conversation if only to ensure that the inclusion of Dez as a part of The Revolution is secured from at least way back then.

The album? or the song? (They helped much more on Parade and Around the World in a Day--although he still did most of ATWIAD's songs.) I don't deny that Purple Rain the song is a collaborative effort, although the basic blueprint and lyrics are Prince's as well as the closing relatively-long guitar solo. But according to Prince Vault, the only listed musicians on the original session for 1999 (the song) are Prince (all instruments) and Dez, Lisa, and Jill as vocals.

Are you LIsa? Your moniker looks like it. If so, then come forward and explain why you didn't sue Prince for claiming too much credit for 1999.. If not, the only sources we can go by are Prince Vault (a source that even contradicts Prince's liner notes after musicians have revealed their contributions), , liner notes, and testimony. There has been some disputes but not all credits listed soley as Prince are lies. Otherwise, his rep would be in shreds now.

1999 the album seems to be almost completely Prince's show and that the band was mostly used for live performances. Jill Jones has confirmed this and Jimmy Jam and terry lewis described the difficulty of Prince laying down tracks by himself in studio...recording the different parts all by himself. Even the Revolution members has stated that most of the work was Prince.

Little Red Corvette (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted

Lisa Coleman - vocals

Dez Dickerson - vocals, guitar solos

Delirious (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

Let's Pretend We are Married (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

D.M.S.R (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Lisa Coleman - vocals
• Brown Mark - background vocals and handclaps
• Jamie Shoop - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Jamie")
• Carol McGovney - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Carol")
• Peggy McCreary - background vocals and handclaps (credited as "Peggy")
• Poochie - background vocals and handclaps
• The Count - background vocals and handclaps

Automatic (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted Lisa Coleman - vocals Jill Jones - vocals (as "J.J.")

Something in the Water (written by Prince)

Prince - all vocals and instruments

FREE (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Lisa Coleman - vocals
• Jill Jones - vocals (as "J.J.")
• Wendy Melvoin - background vocals (as "Wendy")

Lady Cab Driver (written by Prince)

• Prince - all vocals and instruments, except where noted
• Jill Jones - additional vocals (as "J.J.")

All the Critics Love you in New York/International Love--Prince - all vocals and instruments,(written by Prince)

That's a lot of work you did. So snaps to you! Weeeeeerk. A for effort!

But it doesn't at all intesect with my argument which is "The Revolution" is its own entity. And that entity includes both incarnations of Dez and Wendy. (This is a fact and a true statement)

And that oversimplications in your analgies (Ringo and George + ) are wrong because I stated before, they not only assisted with compositions, recording, they also played shit live too. (These are facts and are true statements).

So, I guess continue doing your best to... uh... not diminish them?

But you get gold stars though! Big ones!

Are you LIsa? Your moniker looks like it.

You are REACHING! Gold stars taken back. B for effort.

I bought 2 tickets 4 the Philly show.

206Michelle said:

I bought 2 tickets 4 the Philly show.

i may see you there!!

the Revolution are a great live band and I never said otherwise. You are assuming the worst about my 'diminishing' of the Revolution. My concern with the Revolution touring on the anniversary of Prince's death and calling their work a tribute when in fact they leave out 25 years of his life...was that they were diminishing him..while using their connection with him to make some money. That being said, a couple of you convinced me that they probably weren't making much money.

I would be happy to eat my words and apologize to any members who read this board if I knew for certain that their motives were to honor both their collaboration with Prince and the man who did most of the work. If they were also doing it so they could hang out with Revolution members they love and get a little audience love, then I understand that as well. But Prince's presense/importance shouldn't be diminished. IF it appears like they are touring in effect to claim their piece of the pie at a time when his death is high profile (or even worse claim that they are real geniuses behind his career highs) than that's pretty uncool. Their lack of collaboration with his NPG musicians where tributes are concerned puzzled me as well. There were so many musicans in the different configurations of NPG, they worked together on tributes.

BTW, George and Ringo did play live up until the fans made it impossible to enjoy a Beatles concert (too much screaming.) And George as a solo musican was a pretty good live performer. Even Ringo improved as a drummer. I actually believe that technically the Revolution were better musicans than Ringo and George. However, I would not agree that Ringo and George's influence on the music of the BEatles was less than that of the Revolution on "Prince and the Revolution's" music.

That's is diminishing George and Ringo (especially George' who wrote the brilliant songs "Something", "While my guitar gently weeps" "My Sweet Love" etc).

Wendy and Lisa for example are no doubt extremely talented (even just their television scores prove that.) I don't mind admitting that. But Prince probably underused their talents while they were with him, not the other way around.

Also, I do see your point about Dez and the Revolution.

I also acknowledge that Wendy and Lisa influenced Prince, wrote much of Sometimes in Snows in April and MOuntains, helped with Purple Rain, Computer and other songs , were important components of Raspberry Beret, wrote the melody to the gorgeous "Power Fantastic". I do acknowledge that Dez's guitar work on Little Red Corvette is a standout. I do acknowledge that the Rev. were a rocking live band. I do acknowledge that various members did introduce PRince to different styles of music. But ultimately, he was the one who chose to use those influences, he was the one working 20 hours in the studio with Susan Rogers, he was the lyricist, he wrote most of the melodies, came up with grooves alone. He could have had a career without the revolution (he pre-dates them after all). Would it have been the same?--probably not. Maybe Prince would have been less open to different sounds etc. But he had talent before and yes after the Revolution. Sorry if this is old news.

GuyBros said:

purplerabbithole said:

That's a lot of work you did. So snaps to you! Weeeeeerk. A for effort!

But it doesn't at all intesect with my argument which is "The Revolution" is its own entity. And that entity includes both incarnations of Dez and Wendy. (This is a fact and a true statement)

And that oversimplications in your analgies (Ringo and George + ) are wrong because I stated before, they not only assisted with compositions, recording, they also played shit live too. (These are facts and are true statements).

So, I guess continue doing your best to... uh... not diminish them?

But you get gold stars though! Big ones!

Are you LIsa? Your moniker looks like it.

You are REACHING! Gold stars taken back. B for effort.

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