oh, he was on the drums...I didnt know that was him...also Nato was there on the Keyboard(?) he has always been a good keyboard player and prince kept him for a long time...he is good...

Cool.

Looks like he made it back from Switzerland then.

Maybe, Prince did get the painkillers all by himself (internet) but I am still a little queasy about his guy.

PennyPurple said:

Looks like he made it back from Switzerland then.

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe, Prince did get the painkillers all by himself (internet) but I am still a little queasy about his guy.

PennyPurple said:

Looks like he made it back from Switzerland then.

Yeah, me too.

His appearance here and at Paisley makes me believe that legally he didn't do anything wrong...a little too bold for someone who could possibly be prosecuted for abetting in Prince's purchase of pills that killed him. But it doesn't stop me from thinking he knew what Prince was up to and did not attempt to alter his behavior or ask for help for him until it was too late. At best, he was an enabler. Maybe it is forgivable if Prince was terminally ill but short of that, I find it tough to not find fault with this guy.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

Maybe, Prince did get the painkillers all by himself (internet) but I am still a little queasy about his guy.

Yeah, me too.

purplerabbithole said:

His appearance here and at Paisley makes me believe that legally he didn't do anything wrong...a little too bold for someone who could possibly be prosecuted for abetting in Prince's purchase of pills that killed him. But it doesn't stop me from thinking he knew what Prince was up to and did not attempt to alter his behavior or ask for help for him until it was too late. At best, he was an enabler. Maybe it is forgivable if Prince was terminally ill but short of that, I find it tough to not find fault with this guy.

i'm with u on this. but i also understand that once a "yes man" always a "yes man" so i try to be undrstanding.

purplerabbithole said:

His appearance here and at Paisley makes me believe that legally he didn't do anything wrong...a little too bold for someone who could possibly be prosecuted for abetting in Prince's purchase of pills that killed him. But it doesn't stop me from thinking he knew what Prince was up to and did not attempt to alter his behavior or ask for help for him until it was too late. At best, he was an enabler. Maybe it is forgivable if Prince was terminally ill but short of that, I find it tough to not find fault with this guy.

PennyPurple said:

Yeah, me too.

If you love someone, you stop the world to save them. Even if they cast you away.

Rev said:

purplerabbithole said:

His appearance here and at Paisley makes me believe that legally he didn't do anything wrong...a little too bold for someone who could possibly be prosecuted for abetting in Prince's purchase of pills that killed him. But it doesn't stop me from thinking he knew what Prince was up to and did not attempt to alter his behavior or ask for help for him until it was too late. At best, he was an enabler. Maybe it is forgivable if Prince was terminally ill but short of that, I find it tough to not find fault with this guy.

If you love someone, you stop the world to save them. Even if they cast you away.

I think that we will never know the full story, so people need to be careful casting aspersions on Kirky J. What we DO know is that he was probably closer to Prince that any other living person...and he probably would have taken a bullet for P. So, PLEASE do not turn this into a "Bash-Kirky J" thread. Just try to imagine his level of personal devastation.

Do you know Kirky J? If so, enlighten me..I am serious not being sarcastic.

I theorize that there were three circles in P's sphere. The outer circle, the inner circle and inner-inner circle. Some folks probably shifted back and forth within those circles. Kirk Johnson was in that inner-inner circle for a long time. He had to have known what was going on. Prince's ability to keep his drugs secret from the other two circles is a marvel...and I believe he did at least attempt to do so (pills he thought were hydrocodone hidden in aleve and vitamin c bottles).. But a person who saw him everyday for years had to have known. A true friend would have risked losing his job to force P into getting help years ago--unless that is, P was sick and that person couldn't stomach watching him suffer.

I am weary of Kirk, but would be thrilled to find out that he was not the enabler I suspect he was. Manuela dropped some hints about enablers, so I can't help but think that Kirk was one of them. there were enablers probably in the other two circles as well, but not ones who knew about the drug abuse (or the full extent of it anyhow).

FlyOnTheWall said:

Rev said:

If you love someone, you stop the world to save them. Even if they cast you away.

I think that we will never know the full story, so people need to be careful casting aspersions on Kirky J. What we DO know is that he was probably closer to Prince that any other living person...and he probably would have taken a bullet for P. So, PLEASE do not turn this into a "Bash-Kirky J" thread. Just try to imagine his level of personal devastation.

[Edited 10/14/16 14:32pm]

You can try And the way to change a public figure is to publically call them out.

anangellooksdown said:

You can't save another person. Just ask the experts...they're loading up church basements every day in Alanon. I was wondering not who was playing drums and also wondered if Renato was on keyboards. Couldn't see that well.

purplerabbithole said:

You can try And the way to change a public figure is to publically call them out.

anangellooksdown said:

You can't save another person. Just ask the experts...they're loading up church basements every day in Alanon. I was wondering not who was playing drums and also wondered if Renato was on keyboards. Couldn't see that well.

I never believe in publically humiliating someone. Ever! That's not the answer. You offer to get professional help for that person. That's all you can do. The person has to make the ultimate decision on his life. He has to want to help himself.

Well, with the exception of the last week of Prince's life, is there any proof or indication that Kirk or anyone else even tried to call someone for professional help. Yes, I know its Prince's fault he died. But we have no proof or even indication of any interventions prior to his first overdose. That's not right.

Its hard for an addict to kick addiction without support and encouragement. Maybe there was some calls made to that one doctor in MN, but those seemed pretty recent as well and I doubt P's addiction started in the first months of 2016. People should have tried harder. Its not like P was someone like Amy Winehouse who had several close calls and OD"s before finally succumbing. it feels like P was enabled for a while before it got out of hand and then people started to panic but it was too late.

endiadj said:

purplerabbithole said:

You can try And the way to change a public figure is to publically call them out.

I never believe in publically humiliating someone. Ever! That's not the answer. You offer to get professional help for that person. That's all you can do. The person has to make the ultimate decision on his life. He has to want to help himself.

[Edited 10/14/16 18:45pm]

Rev said:

purplerabbithole said:

Well, with the exception of the last week of Prince's life, is there any proof or indication that Kirk or anyone else even tried to call someone for professional help. Yes, I know its Prince's fault he died. But we have no proof or even indication of any interventions prior to his first overdose. That's not right.

Its hard for an addict to kick addiction without support and encouragement. Maybe there was some calls made to that one doctor in MN, but those seemed pretty recent as well and I doubt P's addiction started in the first months of 2016. People should have tried harder. Its not like P was someone like Amy Winehouse who had several close calls and OD"s before finally succumbing. it feels like P was enabled for a while before it got out of hand and then people started to panic but it was too late.

endiadj said:

I never believe in publically humiliating someone. Ever! That's not the answer. You offer to get professional help for that person. That's all you can do. The person has to make the ultimate decision on his life. He has to want to help himself.

[Edited 10/14/16 18:45pm]

But it's not for us to know his personal business. You're right, we don't know what anyone did or didn't do. JH said she tried to alert those close to him about what she experienced on the plane or knew. Was it P's brother who said they tried to get him help in an interview a few months back? That's all we know.

rogifan said:

Completely wrong to judge Kirk when we have no idea what was going on in the very inner circle.

He was with him all the time. I want it not to be anyone's fault in his inner circle. I would rather think the people around him actually cared about him. But something seems fishy. I can't help feeling that way.

rogifan said:

Completely wrong to judge Kirk when we have no idea what was going on in the very inner circle.

purplerabbithole said:

He was with him all the time. I want it not to be anyone's fault in his inner circle. I would rather think the people around him actually cared about him. But something seems fishy. I can't help feeling that way.

rogifan said:

Completely wrong to judge Kirk when we have no idea what was going on in the very inner circle.

The bottom line is this: We will probably never know the whole story. It's not right to try to make Kirk the scapegoat. The authorities are still investigating. If Kirk is culpable in any way, charges will be brought. Unless/Until that happens, I can't see blaming his closest and most consistent friend and confidant.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Its not illegal to be an enabler. Its illegal to supply, distribute, arrange for and transport the drugs. He definitely didn't do the later. My concern is whether he did the former.

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplerabbithole said:

He was with him all the time. I want it not to be anyone's fault in his inner circle. I would rather think the people around him actually cared about him. But something seems fishy. I can't help feeling that way.

The bottom line is this: We will probably never know the whole story. It's not right to try to make Kirk the scapegoat. The authorities are still investigating. If Kirk is culpable in any way, charges will be brought. Unless/Until that happens, I can't see blaming his closest and most consistent friend and confidant.

What makes you think it shocked everyone but the MN doctor who cared for him?

I have to ask but why did Kirk get a lawyer right after P died?

donnyenglish said:

Kirk was at the Paisley tour yesterday in the video editing room. He was very nice and he loved Prince. I think Prince's addiction and death shocked everyone except the Minneapolis doctor who cared for him.

donnyenglish said:

Kirk was at the Paisley tour yesterday in the video editing room. He was very nice and he loved Prince. I think Prince's addiction and death shocked everyone except the Minneapolis doctor who cared for him.

everyone but Tyka, apparently. i maintain what i havesaid for the beginning; there is no way kj and mb DON"T know the deal. and there is no way that they didn't help get the stuff for him. only jesus christ himself will convince me otherwise. does that mean that they will be charged? who knows, but KJ and MB know the deal and have known for awhile.

donnyenglish said:

rogifan said:

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