Purplestar88 said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

Larry was playing with Sly and Family Stone in 1966 and you think Larry was mooching off Prince? I adore Prince but Larry was around for a long time and I vcery much doubt he has many financial problems. He doesn't strike me as a particularly decadent type of guy. he really can't win, if you don't look for him and don't find him people say he is missing. When he pays tribute he is mooching off Prince. Larry is doing what it seems he has always done, enjoying playing music and performing at concerts. He's 70 years old, the fact he is still playing suggests he just loves music.

I don't Know if Larry mooch off of Prince. People seem to think so. Larry been in the industry for years. I have heard of people being in the industy for years and don't have a lot of money. I don't think that's the case with Larry. People don't like Larry because of JW thing. That's their problem, not Prince or Larry's.

Last I heard he was living in a house owned by Prince. If that's the case....why? I know he was playing with Sly and Family Stone clear back when. I'm sure he still gets SOME money off of that....but evidently not enough to support himself. Or why would he be living in a house bought by Prince? Anyone with itegrity wouldn't accept it if/when offered.....unless they NEEDED it. So just seems he needed the help. And now that help is gone....

Larry Graham was a huge influence on Prince musically on bass (he invented the funk slap bass style that Prince played a lot) and as a member of Sly Stone's group before he became a good friend to Prince. Sly was the person Prince wanted to be like more than anyone else before he got signed.
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Prince said Larry was like an older brother to him, and Larry, his wife & kids/grandkids were a family he could connect with. Larry only did one interview after Prince's death that I know of, and he said that he would really miss him because Prince was his best friend.

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When I was on my Paisley Park tour, not only did I see Kirk Johnson and Trevor Guy there, but someone in the other tour group we ran into at the influence wall said that he saw Larry Graham go upstairs when they were starting their tour. This was the day after the official tribute concert.

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Before I left town, I saw Larry and his wife Tina in a line at a take-out restaurant about a mile from Paisley Park. He was dressed casually with a black baseball cap. He just had a warm, friendly, cool presence about him and seemed really nice to the people he interacted with. No, I did not try to talk to him.

kiowatrail said:

Larry Graham was a huge influence on Prince musically on bass (he invented the funk slap bass style that Prince played a lot) and as a member of Sly Stone's group before he became a good friend to Prince. Sly was the person Prince wanted to be like more than anyone else before he got signed.
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Prince said Larry was like an older brother to him, and Larry, his wife & kids/grandkids were a family he could connect with. Larry only did one interview after Prince's death that I know of, and he said that he would really miss him because Prince was his best friend.

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When I was on my Paisley Park tour, not only did I see Kirk Johnson and Trevor Guy there, but someone in the other tour group we ran into at the influence wall said that he saw Larry Graham go upstairs when they were starting their tour. This was the day after the official tribute concert.

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Before I left town, I saw Larry and his wife Tina in a line at a take-out restaurant about a mile from Paisley Park. He was dressed casually with a black baseball cap. He just had a warm, friendly, cool presence about him and seemed really nice to the people he interacted with. No, I did not try to talk to him.

Wow, actual facts instead of redundant, baseless accusations. What a concept!

Thanks.

ksl1974 said:

Blame..... as far as him having Prince so involved in the JW stuff that he wouldn't do the surgery that was possibly needed. And instead relied on pain pills. It's all just speculation. But if true, I do blame Larry Graham a little. A good friend that had as much influence on Prince as he seemed to have....would have steered him in the direction of health and well-being....and put aside the religion aspect of things.

Mani being willing to study the NWT with P but Mayte not wanting a new religion as a crutch for her grief and loss...Larry was OK with that.

What God put together let no man put asunder. You know, unless you need a high profile convert. Then totally stand by and watch a marriage fall apart and don't counsel them as a biblical teacher to stay married. And then let him carry on with the new lady. Great flipping job Larry.

Who's conversion was fake anyways and she went on to marry a sex addict. Like damn if your gonna break up soul mates and convert, STAY.

Sorry I just dont like that enabler.

ksl1974 said:

Purplestar88 said:

I don't Know if Larry mooch off of Prince. People seem to think so. Larry been in the industry for years. I have heard of people being in the industy for years and don't have a lot of money. I don't think that's the case with Larry. People don't like Larry because of JW thing. That's their problem, not Prince or Larry's.

Last I heard he was living in a house owned by Prince. If that's the case....why? I know he was playing with Sly and Family Stone clear back when. I'm sure he still gets SOME money off of that....but evidently not enough to support himself. Or why would he be living in a house bought by Prince? Anyone with itegrity wouldn't accept it if/when offered.....unless they NEEDED it. So just seems he needed the help. And now that help is gone....

I don't anything about him living in a house owned by Prince. That is beween Larry and Prince. From what I know Prince consider Larry a friend. It is not wrong to help a friend as long as they don't take advange and I don't see any evidence that Larry hurt, mislead, or took advange of Prince.

It's not Larry's fault that he is a part of that religion and, like all people who become excited about "the truth" they think they've found, tried (and did) convert P. As for Mayte, I remember a video of Sinbad (when he had some show) and Prince and Mayte were on the show and Prince was saying that he studies the bible with Larry and Mayte studied with Larry's wife--- Poor Mayte was sitting there like, -- Marriage was over soon after. But it's not Larry's fault. It just wasn't what Mayte signed up for. I think Larry genuinely wanted to help Prince. And maybe he did.

Prince was a big boy and responsible for his own decisions and actions. Blaming it on others is not always fair. Whether we appreciate his relationships, friendships, family members, music associates and whomever he was influenced by in his life, we still have to remember he was free to choose and act.

tollyc said:

zenarose said:

The only thing that I have been able to uncover thus far is that P relocated LG and his family from Jamacia I believe it was, to MN. P provided the family a home to live in. (one of his properties for sale).

Nope. Prince bounced Larry from that house and leveled it not too much longer than his own on Galpin.

Who lives in the Prince owned house next to Kirk's? I assumed it was Larry.

malbena said:

Prince was a big boy and responsible for his own decisions and actions. Blaming it on others is not always fair. Whether we appreciate his relationships, friendships, family members, music associates and whomever he was influenced by in his life, we still have to remember he was free to choose and act.

THANK YOU! It's an insult to Prince's intelligence and even manhood that Larry Graham influenced his life so much that Prince did not have any agency to determine what was best for his health. Prince would be horrified at the heat Larry is taking because Prince truly treated Larry and his family like his own. Prince was very generous and did A LOT for the music industry and for the performing art community. Prince allowed Larry Graham, Chaka Khan, George Clinton, Mavis Staples to record at Paisley Park for next to nothing-literally paying back his predecessors. Often, paying off their old debts for example. I say that to say, Larry has maintained Prince's privacy and not sold him out for fame and money since his death. He gave one of the most moving tributes to Prince at AUTISM ROCK in London. The fact that he has maintained a low profile should be a sign that he is mourning in private and trying to pick up the pieces of what used to be.

violectrica said:

ksl1974 said:

Blame..... as far as him having Prince so involved in the JW stuff that he wouldn't do the surgery that was possibly needed. And instead relied on pain pills. It's all just speculation. But if true, I do blame Larry Graham a little. A good friend that had as much influence on Prince as he seemed to have....would have steered him in the direction of health and well-being....and put aside the religion aspect of things.

Mani being willing to study the NWT with P but Mayte not wanting a new religion as a crutch for her grief and loss...Larry was OK with that.

What God put together let no man put asunder. You know, unless you need a high profile convert. Then totally stand by and watch a marriage fall apart and don't counsel them as a biblical teacher to stay married. And then let him carry on with the new lady. Great flipping job Larry.

Who's conversion was fake anyways and she went on to marry a sex addict. Like damn if your gonna break up soul mates and convert, STAY.

Sorry I just dont like that enabler.

Must be interesting to have so many insider facts, I mean heresay and rumor, at your beck and call.

Zannaloaf said:

violectrica said:

Mani being willing to study the NWT with P but Mayte not wanting a new religion as a crutch for her grief and loss...Larry was OK with that.

What God put together let no man put asunder. You know, unless you need a high profile convert. Then totally stand by and watch a marriage fall apart and don't counsel them as a biblical teacher to stay married. And then let him carry on with the new lady. Great flipping job Larry.

Who's conversion was fake anyways and she went on to marry a sex addict. Like damn if your gonna break up soul mates and convert, STAY.

Sorry I just dont like that enabler.

Must be interesting to have so many insider facts, I mean heresay and rumor, at your beck and call.

malbena said:

Prince was a big boy and responsible for his own decisions and actions. Blaming it on others is not always fair. Whether we appreciate his relationships, friendships, family members, music associates and whomever he was influenced by in his life, we still have to remember he was free to choose and act.

Some people forget Prince was a GROWN MAN who was capable of making his own decisions. I highly doubt if Larry had to force him into joining JW. P. had an interest and joined and Larry was happy to guide him.

Graham is also NOT the first person to speak Prince about JW...it was George Benson.

Secondly Prince did in fact have some type of hip maintenance procedure done out of country. It was confirmed by Billy Sparks on the TJMS and the ME report documents a scar in that area, so please stop lying on JWs just because you have a bias against them.

People need to stop posting bullshit org mythology as facts...smdh.

kiowatrail said:

Larry Graham was a huge influence on Prince musically on bass (he invented the funk slap bass style that Prince played a lot) and as a member of Sly Stone's group before he became a good friend to Prince. Sly was the person Prince wanted to be like more than anyone else before he got signed.
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Prince said Larry was like an older brother to him, and Larry, his wife & kids/grandkids were a family he could connect with. Larry only did one interview after Prince's death that I know of, and he said that he would really miss him because Prince was his best friend.

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When I was on my Paisley Park tour, not only did I see Kirk Johnson and Trevor Guy there, but someone in the other tour group we ran into at the influence wall said that he saw Larry Graham go upstairs when they were starting their tour. This was the day after the official tribute concert.

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Before I left town, I saw Larry and his wife Tina in a line at a take-out restaurant about a mile from Paisley Park. He was dressed casually with a black baseball cap. He just had a warm, friendly, cool presence about him and seemed really nice to the people he interacted with. No, I did not try to talk to him.

I agree that there's a lot to be said for Larry imho. He contributed considerably to all that fantastic music we got from Sly & the Family Stone, not to mention some cracking songs by GCS. His work influenced Prince musically, so we all could maybe relate to feeling a little gratitude on that score surely?

Moreover, reputedly he has been a good, reliable, close friend to Prince over the last couple of decades, and I think they even have referred to one another as brothers, which is indicative to me of their closeness and love for one another.

I think the topic of his faith has already been well discussed on the org; Prince was a mature and highly intelligent man by the time he commited to the JWs. We don't even know the details regarding Prince's supposed, alleged mobility/hip/knees/pain issues, and I suspect his change of faith had precious little or no impact upon how that may or may not have played out, if indeed there is any truth in it.

Larry's an old man now, and entitled to some respect imho, principally for being such a good friend to Prince, but also for influencing his musical development positively, and providing us with some great music back in the day.

I'd also like to share that, when I was probably still in the denial stage, and desperately clinging to the hope that this may be some kind of creative retirement plan, it was seeing Larry (and also Sheila) that made me realise/accept that Prince was gone. Even Larry Olivier couldn't fake that clearly evident depth of grief and sorrow... feelings that we all share as diehard fans, though how much keener the pain must be for Prince's closest friends and loved ones!

In spite of his obvious love for his 'baby brother', the Larry bashers are still free to disagree with me and come on here, perhaps looking for some poor soul to blame for Prince's passing, and post whatever disparaging remarks they like about him.

Although almost certainly completely untrue & without foundation, part of the problem with the org is that members can post any old drivel completely anonymously about Larry, Sheila, Kirk, Mayte, Morris (grief, you could insert just about any Prince associate here, since they all seem to have got it in the neck here since Prince passed) without any responsibility or accountability whatsoever. I wonder how many (if any) of these folks slagging them off would dare say any of their drivel to their faces. We're all hurting, but lashing out baseless criticism of Prince's friends and family strikes me as petty, vindictive, insensitive, and for the most part illogical and nonsensical.

I'm sorry but it's not Larry's (Sheila's/Kirk's etc etc) fault we've lost Prince. Even if you do harbor an irrational dislike for the guy, he clearly loved Prince like a brother, and Prince loved him right back. That's more than good enough for me.

Oddly it seems LG tried and failed to auctioned off a motorbike, a White 2000 Harley Sportster 883 (now closed) on Ebay 11/9/16 ...Starting Bid was $5,000.00 but no bids were received ... no mention of any reason or charity as far as I could see... maybe times are very hard when the purple payroll has been frozen/cut

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2...&rt=nc

The description reads

"This 2000 Harley Sportster 883 is owned by music legend Larry Graham

Larry will autograph the tank and we will video the signing and you taking delivery from him."

Mayte319 said:

Oddly it seems LG tried and failed to auctioned off a motorbike, a White 2000 Harley Sportster 883 (now closed) on Ebay 11/9/16 ...Starting Bid was $5,000.00 but no bids were received ... no mention of any reason or charity as far as I could see... maybe times are very hard when the purple payroll has been frozen/cut

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2...&rt=nc

The description reads

"This 2000 Harley Sportster 883 is owned by music legend Larry Graham

Larry will autograph the tank and we will video the signing and you taking delivery from him."

Damn

CalhounSq said:

Wherever he is, he can stay there. Had my fill of Larry YEARS ago, I know P loved him but I wanted that to end sooner than it did

Agreed 100%

malbena said:

Purplestar88 said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

Larry was playing with Sly and Family Stone in 1966 and you think Larry was mooching off Prince? I adore Prince but Larry was around for a long time and I vcery much doubt he has many financial problems. He doesn't strike me as a particularly decadent type of guy. he really can't win, if you don't look for him and don't find him people say he is missing. When he pays tribute he is mooching off Prince. Larry is doing what it seems he has always done, enjoying playing music and performing at concerts. He's 70 years old, the fact he is still playing suggests he just loves music.

I don't Know if Larry mooch off of Prince. People seem to think so. Larry been in the industry for years. I have heard of people being in the industy for years and don't have a lot of money. I don't think that's the case with Larry. People don't like Larry because of JW thing. That's their problem, not Prince or Larry's.

The funk artists from the 70's are more than likely living off small royalties from airplay that might exist or some type of pension from the musician's union. Quite frankly, I've been creeped out by LG for some time after seeing on YT where Prince essentially worshipped that man, but he seemed bored with Prince, and he rolled his eyes in an upward smirk when Prince spoke, as if Prince was getting on his last nerve. I wonder if he was jealous of Prince? I prefectly understand why the JW's were denounced by his family during that week.

Purplestar88 said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

Larry was playing with Sly and Family Stone in 1966 and you think Larry was mooching off Prince? I adore Prince but Larry was around for a long time and I vcery much doubt he has many financial problems. He doesn't strike me as a particularly decadent type of guy. he really can't win, if you don't look for him and don't find him people say he is missing. When he pays tribute he is mooching off Prince. Larry is doing what it seems he has always done, enjoying playing music and performing at concerts. He's 70 years old, the fact he is still playing suggests he just loves music.

I don't Know if Larry mooch off of Prince. People seem to think so. Larry been in the industry for years. I have heard of people being in the industy for years and don't have a lot of money. I don't think that's the case with Larry. People don't like Larry because of JW thing. That's their problem, not Prince or Larry's.

The funk artists from the 70's are more than likely living off small royalties from airplay that might exist or some type of pension from the musician's union. Quite frankly, I've been creeped out by LG for some time after seeing on YT where Prince essentially worshipped that man, but he seemed bored with Prince, and he rolled his eyes in an upward smirk when Prince spoke, as if Prince was getting on his last nerve.

PRNluv2 said:

The funk artists from the 70's are more than likely living off small royalties from airplay that might exist or some type of pension from the musician's union. Quite frankly, I've been creeped out by LG for some time after seeing on YT where Prince essentially worshipped that man, but he seemed bored with Prince, and he rolled his eyes in an upward smirk when Prince spoke, as if Prince was getting on his last nerve. I wonder if he was jealous of Prince? I prefectly understand why the JW's were denounced by his family during that week.

Please expound....

Everybody is influenced by someone. Prince may have been craving a male father figure. His father at times fit the bill but at other times failed to do so. HIs stepfather obviously didn't fit the bill. George Benson, Larry Graham and to a lesser extent maybe MIles Davis might have been what he was looking for. LG could have had a rather big influence on Prince. I am not saying he was brainwashed. I am saying he was looking for guidance as any human being does, and without Benson and Graham, Prince's spiritual journey would have been quite different. Maybe, it is a bit like "any port in the storm." Do I wish someone else with a different spiritual philosophy had influenced Prince? Yes indeed I do. Do I think Graham was an opportunist? Not Necessarily. However, I do think he and Prince didn't seem as close and I am grateful for that, even though I do think that there were lovely elements to their relationship,

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rogifan said:

malbena said:

Prince was a big boy and responsible for his own decisions and actions. Blaming it on others is not always fair. Whether we appreciate his relationships, friendships, family members, music associates and whomever he was influenced by in his life, we still have to remember he was free to choose and act.

Exactly. He was a grown man who made his own decisions. It wasn't Larry or Kirk or whomever telling him what to do.

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PRNluv2 said:

Purplestar88 said:

I don't Know if Larry mooch off of Prince. People seem to think so. Larry been in the industry for years. I have heard of people being in the industy for years and don't have a lot of money. I don't think that's the case with Larry. People don't like Larry because of JW thing. That's their problem, not Prince or Larry's.

The funk artists from the 70's are more than likely living off small royalties from airplay that might exist or some type of pension from the musician's union. Quite frankly, I've been creeped out by LG for some time after seeing on YT where Prince essentially worshipped that man, but he seemed bored with Prince, and he rolled his eyes in an upward smirk when Prince spoke, as if Prince was getting on his last nerve.

Fabricating an entire relationship out of something you saw. Once.
Genius.