LuxLove said:

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said: I don't get this. One can be "comfortable with their blackness" and still be colorblind. Go to any Prince concert; look at photos of people paying tribute outside PP after his passing; it's clearly evident he trancended race.

True, I agree with you but...

the transcending race thing I think is a bit sensitive because I think for some it's like why can't it just be acknowledged that he's a black artist who was insanely popular, why does it have to be he "transcended race" because that suggests he was an acceptable form of black. I dunno I'm not explaining well & am reluctant to go further but I'm honestly just guessing & offering a possible explanation why people get annoyed by the T word.

The only person I've seen suggest that is you. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

Again, understand that "transcend" and "deny" are not synonyms.

Genesia said:

LuxLove said:

True, I agree with you but...

the transcending race thing I think is a bit sensitive because I think for some it's like why can't it just be acknowledged that he's a black artist who was insanely popular, why does it have to be he "transcended race" because that suggests he was an acceptable form of black. I dunno I'm not explaining well & am reluctant to go further but I'm honestly just guessing & offering a possible explanation why people get annoyed by the T word.

The only person I've seen suggest that is you. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

Again, understand that "transcend" and "deny" are not synonyms.

Here we go. Did I say you suggested that? No. Did I say Rogifan suggested that? No. I stressed I think for some that is what the issue is but it's good to know the org is still full of trolls unable to read/digest information. You can not be serious, I made it quite clear that I was offering a POSSIBLE REASON why people get MIGHT be sensitive to the word.

It's a fucking travesty that this site is the main Prince forum because the place is full of ignorant people looking to argue because they can't understand words on a screen. It's embarrassing at this point.

LuxLove said:

Genesia said:

The only person I've seen suggest that is you. Are you sure you aren't projecting?

Again, understand that "transcend" and "deny" are not synonyms.

Here we go. Did I say you suggested that? No. Did I say Rogifan suggested that? No. I stressed I think for some that is what the issue is but it's good to know the org is still full of trolls unable to read/digest information. You can not be serious, I made it quite clear that I was offering a POSSIBLE REASON why people get MIGHT be sensitive to the word.

It's a fucking travesty that this site is the main Prince forum because the place is full of ignorant people looking to argue because they can't understand words on a screen. It's embarrassing at this point.

I am big enough to admit that I misread your post and apologize. Thank you for clarifying.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Interesting concept

almost reminds me of the part in PR the movie where he didn't want Apollonia in his life musically so he could continue to be romantic with her

Once a woman completed an album with Prince, the romantic period was over

When you got an album completed, you were done as a romantic interest. Like, you were still there but he was putting you in a place where you weren’t going to just be a happy power couple. You were given your wings to go do your thing. His ability to let go of your how fast or slow, that’s because he was juggling, like we say, the inspiration for all these women. Some guys send you flowers, Prince would just give you an album (laughs).

Vanity - Vanity 6 1982

Sheila E - the Glamorous Life 1984

- Romance 1600 1985

- Sheila E 1986

- Sheila E 4th aborted album 1989

Susannah didn't really have an album

Jill Jones - Jill Jones 1987

Anna Fantastic -1989 aborted album ?
Kim Bassinger - 1990 aborted album ?

Carmen Electra - 1991

Mayte Child of the Sun - 1996?

what other albums with women from the 80s and 90s

NinaB said:

This shite again. Prince was a black man. We've all seen the types, come on now. Deep down they don't mean transcend specifically as in the dictionary definition. Please, spare me.

this. there is no need for more racebaiting and weirdness.

2000s

Tamar - ?

Bria Valente - Elixer 2009

Andy Allo - Superconductor 2012

I know there were a few others

wavesofbliss said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Interesting concept

almost reminds me of the part in PR the movie where he didn't want Apollonia in his life musically so he could continue to be romantic with her

Once a woman completed an album with Prince, the romantic period was over

When you got an album completed, you were done as a romantic interest. Like, you were still there but he was putting you in a place where you weren’t going to just be a happy power couple. You were given your wings to go do your thing. His ability to let go of your how fast or slow, that’s because he was juggling, like we say, the inspiration for all these women. Some guys send you flowers, Prince would just give you an album (laughs).

Vanity - Vanity 6 1982

Sheila E - the Glamorous Life 1984

- Romance 1600 1985

- Sheila E 1986

- Sheila E 4th aborted album 1989

Susannah didn't really have an album

Jill Jones - Jill Jones 1987

Anna Fantastic -1989 aborted album ?
Kim Bassinger - 1990 aborted album ?

Carmen Electra - 1991

Mayte Child of the Sun - 1996?

what other albums with women from the 80s and 90s

--/ i would say susannah's was the Family. but like Jill, once he finished using her as a background singer and had released the songs that used her voice, he was done.

--/ jill's record seemed like a parting gift. like prince was saying "this is your reward and a thank you for having been there for the past 7 yrs."

NinaB said:

Prince was a black man.

You forgot something. A GORGEOUS BEAUTIFUL black man

Mumio said:

wavesofbliss said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vanity - Vanity 6 1982

Sheila E - the Glamorous Life 1984

- Romance 1600 1985

- Sheila E 1986

- Sheila E 4th aborted album 1989

Susannah didn't really have an album

Jill Jones - Jill Jones 1987

Anna Fantastic -1989 aborted album ?
Kim Bassinger - 1990 aborted album ?

Carmen Electra - 1991

Mayte Child of the Sun - 1996?

what other albums with women from the 80s and 90s

--/ i would say susannah's was the Family. but like Jill, once he finished using her as a background singer and had released the songs that used her voice, he was done.

--/ jill's record seemed like a parting gift. like prince was saying "this is your reward and a thank you for having been there for the past 7 yrs."

yeah, the Family album though was a lot different though. I believe it was St Paul that he first approached about the album centering him and but it was more to hold onto all these people who were in the camp as a result of the 1984/85 changes (break up of the Time mostly) brough in Jerome & Jellybean, added Eric Leeds & Susannah, pulled Miko Weaver & Jonathon Melvoin and Wally & Gregory I believe were doing some dancing with the Time near the end of their shows.

He tried to hold onto Brenda Bennett to, to do some more music, but it went a bit too long and I think that is when her mother got sick and she went to care for her. Susannah went to college.

So the Family was definately the right name.

Jill Jones album. Wow, that was a work in progress over about 4-5yrs. There should have been at least 2 in that time.

[Edited 9/29/16 10:28am]

LuxLove said:

laurarichardson said:

Perhaps I am wrong about your post but it is par for the course for people on this board to be dismissive of P black peers, friends and associates. Just because he did not know about her death does not mean she was not important to him. For all we know she may have decided not to be in contact with him and he just accepted it.

Oh yeah I know the org mostly can't deal with blackness but I know better than to talk race here because it can never be an intelligent conversation & it'll piss me off. Sometimes people seem pissed if they're reminded he's black. You should listen to dr. funk podcast if you haven't already because he had Dave back on & he explained why it's important to acknowledge Prince as a black artist. Everyone needs to hear that podcast. It's like yeah he transcended race but he was a free black man which is huge but I guess not everyone will get that which is understandable because if people only know their experience then they won't get why it's a big deal. There is much to be said about the importance of him in relation to race but I really don't think it will ever be a conversation that can take place on this board without desending into chaos from what I've seen before.

I've no doubt Kim was important to him but it still sucks that he learned of her death that way.

Agreed

Nice interview from Jill.

strawberrylova123 said:

Jill

An emotional moment in 1984’s Purple Rain after The Kid runs outside of First Avenue club after performing the title track to drive away on his bike. Stunned by the roar of cheers, he turns, smiling at the sight of a teary-eyed Jill who he greets with a playful “Hi” before running back inside.

http://www.huffingtonpost...53212.html?

Stuff like this ^ makes U wonder about the people who say they are fans of the person(s) and times in Prince history

This is the image they mean

OldFriends4Sale said:

strawberrylova123 said:

Jill

An emotional moment in 1984’s Purple Rain after The Kid runs outside of First Avenue club after performing the title track to drive away on his bike. Stunned by the roar of cheers, he turns, smiling at the sight of a teary-eyed Jill who he greets with a playful “Hi” before running back inside.

http://www.huffingtonpost...53212.html?

Stuff like this ^ makes U wonder about the people who say they are fans of the person(s) and times in Prince history

This is the image they mean

nothing about the way jill looks in either of these pictures tells me she's a black woman. the photos on her album cover either. also she contradicted herself(in an earlier interview) when she said that the black radio people wouldn't play her record until they met her at an expo and she told them she was black. jill said the black radio people told her "we thought u were white ..."

whatever.

Iamtheorg said:

The more I'm seeing Wendy as conniving/manipulative. A lot of things are beginning to make sense now.

Oh, that's baloney.

2elijah said:

Remember, Prince got heavily criticized by some fans when he released the Rainbow children, and other songs that were socially conscious/political songs, including those regarding race.

He was not criticized becase he was 'singing songs about race', or that were 'socially conscious'. He was criticicized for being racist/anti-semitic, and sexist in those songs. That album is really tragic in that way.

JudasLChrist said:

2elijah said:

Remember, Prince got heavily criticized by some fans when he released the Rainbow children, and other songs that were socially conscious/political songs, including those regarding race.

He was not criticized becase he was 'singing songs about race', or that were 'socially conscious'. He was criticicized for being racist/anti-semitic, and sexist in those songs. That album is really tragic in that way.

rogifan said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yeah some fans think Prince was some colorblind, transcending musician. He played that image just for marketing. Even some of his associates (like Dez) said Prince often played the public in regards to his identities but at the end of the day he is very proud and comfortable with his blackness and he had no problem address racism. He also was a woman rights activist in his own way even though he wasnt perfect when it comes to treatment of women, he still hired them and also respect them and loved being around them. I also believed Prince was a femsexual as he liked to be around people who are feminine regardless of their gender identity.

I don't get this. One can be "comfortable with their blackness" and still be colorblind. Go to any Prince concert; look at photos of people paying tribute outside PP after his passing; it's clearly evident he trancended race.

He wasn't colorblind. We don't live that society. Only fools think that way. He did stated his music bought races together. And it was true. I don't understand why some people think it is black people responsibility to end racism. Black celebrities often use that colorblind and transcend race for marketing purpose to appeal to a wider audience. How can someone goes beyond race or sexism or even homophobia where it is systematically it is still an issue. Race is going to still be around no matter how 'colorblind' that person is.

JudasLChrist said:

2elijah said:

Remember, Prince got heavily criticized by some fans when he released the Rainbow children, and other songs that were socially conscious/political songs, including those regarding race.

He was not criticized becase he was 'singing songs about race', or that were 'socially conscious'. He was criticicized for being racist/anti-semitic, and sexist in those songs. That album is really tragic in that way.

agreed.

2elijah said:

LuxLove said:

Oh yeah I know the org mostly can't deal with blackness but I know better than to talk race here because it can never be an intelligent conversation & it'll piss me off. Sometimes people seem pissed if they're reminded he's black. You should listen to dr. funk podcast if you haven't already because he had Dave back on & he explained why it's important to acknowledge Prince as a black artist. Everyone needs to hear that podcast. It's like yeah he transcended race but he was a free black man which is huge but I guess not everyone will get that which is understandable because if people only know their experience then they won't get why it's a big deal. There is much to be said about the importance of him in relation to race but I really don't think it will ever be a conversation that can take place on this board without desending into chaos from what I've seen before.

I've no doubt Kim was important to him but it still sucks that he learned of her death that way.

Yes unfortunately the topic of Prince's racial identity has been difficult at times to discuss on this site. Often times those threads get shut down. But I'll take Jill's words regarding Prince embracing who he was as a Black man, as she was, among others, had a personal relationship/friendship with him. Prince will always be one of the best and most creative, Black American artist/musician of all time. He is greatly missed by so many. [Edited 9/29/16 9:18am]

Co sign. It is tough being black and weird or different in this world. I envy black people who fit in the stereotypes because at least they are accepted by the black community and the community is their safespace but if you a black person that doesn't fit the ideal norms, you get questioned and somewhat obstracised by both mainstream and the black community. It can be lonely no matter how successful you are because you feel a lot of people doesn't get you. I know this and Prince know this too, we both experienced this.

And also I missed him everyday.

JudasLChrist said:

JudasLChrist said:

2elijah said:

Remember, Prince got heavily criticized by some fans when he released the Rainbow children, and other songs that were socially conscious/political songs, including those regarding race.

He was not criticized becase he was 'singing songs about race', or that were 'socially conscious'. He was criticicized for being racist/anti-semitic, and sexist in those songs. That album is really tragic in that way.

I have been on the org since 1998 and some fans did addressed a displeasure of Prince discussed about race. And the most recent backlash when he did the song Baltimore and addressed police bruality against minorities. All people have to do is google search on this org to see some of the unhappy comments. If you are going to follow a minority artist (whether they are gay, black, women, or whatever) don't be suprised if they address social conscious issues that affect them.

It would be nice if I don't have to think about race and no matter how hard I tried to think myself as a human being, I am still reminder, in society, of my sex and race. Prince likely think that way too as he wanted to transcend but couldnt in this planet.

ladygirl99 said:

2elijah said:

ladygirl99 said:

Co sign. It is tough being black and weird or different in this world. I envy black people who fit in the stereotypes because at least they are accepted by the black community and the community is their safespace but if you a black person that doesn't fit the ideal norms, you get questioned and somewhat obstracised by both mainstream and the black community. It can be lonely no matter how successful you are because you feel a lot of people doesn't get you. I know this and Prince know this too, we both experienced this.

And also I missed him everyday.

You shouldn't have to apologize or explain your existence to anyone. If they don't like it, well... fuck them.

Co-sign. But yeah when you are young and vulnerable it is a struggle as you trying to figure out who you are. And Prince discussed that too in his interviews.

[Edited 9/29/16 14:52pm]

wavesofbliss said:

wavesofbliss said:

NinaB said:

This shite again. Prince was a black man. We've all seen the types, come on now. Deep down they don't mean transcend specifically as in the dictionary definition. Please, spare me.

this. there is no need for more racebaiting and weirdness.

too late

[Edited 9/29/16 17:06pm]

2elijah said:

JudasLChrist said:

He was not criticized becase he was 'singing songs about race', or that were 'socially conscious'. He was criticicized for being racist/anti-semitic, and sexist in those songs. That album is really tragic in that way.

Not really. He was criticized for writing and singing some of those songs. Some fans were uncomfortable with the lyrics, in some of those songs in the Rainbow Children album, and that's why they accused him of being racist/anti-semitic. In other songs like 'Family Name' it's not like he was lying when he wrote those lyrics. He also wasn't lying when he wrote/sang the lyrics about Abraham Lincoln being a racist either. Those kind of truths, some just don't like.

Yes, really.

Family name is Anti-Semetic. It just is. Slander about Jewish people is never 'the truth". This has been argued a hundred times on the org.

Nobody was tripping about Abraham Licoln on that record.