This will probably get locked, reported, deleted but I feel it needs to be said.

I am not a Mayte or Mani minion, a Vanity Vamp, etc. I come here because of my love for Prince and needed a place to be able to remember him, to talk about him, to grieve him. In doing so, I remember the periods of life in which he was with each of these women. During those time periods, he released beautiful music and each of those periods were distinctly different musically. I miss him, his presence here on earth. But it is extremely disheartening to see the level of hate directed towards these women by certain groups. I may not always agree with their decisions in life, Mayte on the reality show, Vanity's drug use, Mani marrying Eric Benet, but I have always tried to remain respectful to each of these women. Why? Because Prince loved them enough to either marry them, or have a deep relationship with them. He may not have always been the easiest person to love, he had his issues (as we all do), but given that I know how difficult it probably was for him to trust, he trusted these women at various times in his life, he gave them his love, his body, his life, and so I will respect these women.

For me, it has never been a "He loved this one more than that one". I've had 4 major relationships in my life, been married twice, both ended in divorce, and it was never a matter of loving one more than another. I loved who I was with at the time and once the relationship was over, I still loved them, wished them well, but moved on with my life and they moved on with theirs. Prince was never a person who looked back in his life. Looking at him, the way he went through band members, the number of protegies, how quickly he changed out people, he didn't look back on his relationships nor cling to them. He was someone who was able to let go easily. Growing up as he did, that is a learned trait (I know because I have the same trait due to similar childhood experiences). We know this trait of Prince's, we have seen the evidence in how quickly he could drop a project and move on to the next project. Heck, we have seen how quickly he can move on from one relationship to the next.

These women aren't/weren't perfect. Far from it. None of us are. But Prince loved them at various times thoughout his life. He gave to them a part of himself that none of us will ever, can ever know. But disrespecting these women, saying he loved this one more than that one, isn't doing any of us any good. And, to be honest, it's disrespecting Prince. I only got engaged in these conversations when I saw a group of people take a song that was clearly (and was said to have been) written about one of these women, and trying to make it about another one of the women. To me, that was being disrespectful, to Prince, to the memory of Prince, and to the women he loved. Saying one woman cannot write about her experiences and even stating in that thread that Prince isn't here to defend himself and that anything she says is "suspect", but then approving of personal letters sent by him to someone else is okay, isn't okay. It either all needs to stay private or both should be allowed.

We do not know what the confidential agreements stated. For all we know they could state the confidentiality agreements are only good during the lifetime of Prince, and that once he is gone, they are able to write and talk about their time with him. I mean, Prince didn't even keep a will, so obviously he was not overly concerned with what was going to happen once he was no longer here. He believed in an afterlife, said so in many songs and interviews, and as such, he knew none of this woud matter. He knew what was said about him after he was gone, would not matter. He knew how he was remembered, would not matter. I sincerely believe that is why he didn't leave a will. So none of this matters. Mayte's book. Doesn't matter. Vanity's letters. Doesn't matter. Mani's 40 unknown things. Doesn't matter. Prince isn't here any more, he no longer walks this earth, breathes this air, he's no longer here. Do you think he cares about the book, the letters, or the 40 unknown things? If he were alive, it would all be a different story. If he were alive, we wouldn't be having any of these conversations.

I am beyond saddened to see how people are going at each other in regards to these women. This isn't what Prince was about. He was about bringing people together. I think he would be sad to see this going on and would probably write a song about it. But he's not here to care any more. And that is what I keep coming back to in my head and heart, he's not here. I will defend each of these women where I see what I consider to be an injustice towards them or a defilement of the memory they have as a Prince wife, lover. These are their memories, their history, to either share or not share. I have no say so in it. None of us do. The only one that does isn't here any more and he is in a place in which he doesn't care what they do or don't share.

I miss Prince. That is why I'm here. That is my only agenda on this site any more. I miss Prince. What is yours?

thank you for sharing.

benni said:

This will probably get locked, reported, deleted but I feel it needs to be said.

I am not a Mayte or Mani minion, a Vanity Vamp, etc. I come here because of my love for Prince and needed a place to be able to remember him, to talk about him, to grieve him. In doing so, I remember the periods of life in which he was with each of these women. During those time periods, he released beautiful music and each of those periods were distinctly different musically. I miss him, his presence here on earth. But it is extremely disheartening to see the level of hate directed towards these women by certain groups. I may not always agree with their decisions in life, Mayte on the reality show, Vanity's drug use, Mani marrying Eric Benet, but I have always tried to remain respectful to each of these women. Why? Because Prince loved them enough to either marry them, or have a deep relationship with them. He may not have always been the easiest person to love, he had his issues (as we all do), but given that I know how difficult it probably was for him to trust, he trusted these women at various times in his life, he gave them his love, his body, his life, and so I will respect these women.

For me, it has never been a "He loved this one more than that one". I've had 4 major relationships in my life, been married twice, both ended in divorce, and it was never a matter of loving one more than another. I loved who I was with at the time and once the relationship was over, I still loved them, wished them well, but moved on with my life and they moved on with theirs. Prince was never a person who looked back in his life. Looking at him, the way he went through band members, the number of protegies, how quickly he changed out people, he didn't look back on his relationships nor cling to them. He was someone who was able to let go easily. Growing up as he did, that is a learned trait (I know because I have the same trait due to similar childhood experiences). We know this trait of Prince's, we have seen the evidence in how quickly he could drop a project and move on to the next project. Heck, we have seen how quickly he can move on from one relationship to the next.

These women aren't/weren't perfect. Far from it. None of us are. But Prince loved them at various times thoughout his life. He gave to them a part of himself that none of us will ever, can ever know. But disrespecting these women, saying he loved this one more than that one, isn't doing any of us any good. And, to be honest, it's disrespecting Prince. I only got engaged in these conversations when I saw a group of people take a song that was clearly (and was said to have been) written about one of these women, and trying to make it about another one of the women. To me, that was being disrespectful, to Prince, to the memory of Prince, and to the women he loved. Saying one woman cannot write about her experiences and even stating in that thread that Prince isn't here to defend himself and that anything she says is "suspect", but then approving of personal letters sent by him to someone else is okay, isn't okay. It either all needs to stay private or both should be allowed.

We do not know what the confidential agreements stated. For all we know they could state the confidentiality agreements are only good during the lifetime of Prince, and that once he is gone, they are able to write and talk about their time with him. I mean, Prince didn't even keep a will, so obviously he was not overly concerned with what was going to happen once he was no longer here. He believed in an afterlife, said so in many songs and interviews, and as such, he knew none of this woud matter. He knew what was said about him after he was gone, would not matter. He knew how he was remembered, would not matter. I sincerely believe that is why he didn't leave a will. So none of this matters. Mayte's book. Doesn't matter. Vanity's letters. Doesn't matter. Mani's 40 unknown things. Doesn't matter. Prince isn't here any more, he no longer walks this earth, breathes this air, he's no longer here. Do you think he cares about the book, the letters, or the 40 unknown things? If he were alive, it would all be a different story. If he were alive, we wouldn't be having any of these conversations.

I am beyond saddened to see how people are going at each other in regards to these women. This isn't what Prince was about. He was about bringing people together. I think he would be sad to see this going on and would probably write a song about it. But he's not here to care any more. And that is what I keep coming back to in my head and heart, he's not here. I will defend each of these women where I see what I consider to be an injustice towards them or a defilement of the memory they have as a Prince wife, lover. These are their memories, their history, to either share or not share. I have no say so in it. None of us do. The only one that does isn't here any more and he is in a place in which he doesn't care what they do or don't share.

I miss Prince. That is why I'm here. That is my only agenda on this site any more. I miss Prince. What is yours?

I hope this does not get locked or deleted. It does speak from the heart. I also thank you for sharing it.

Would you say that "hate" has been worse since Prince passing and it could be a stage of grief?

I, myself, had strong feelings against some members but hopefully it did not come across as hate. If so, I sincerely apologize for hurting feelings.

benni said:

This will probably get locked, reported, deleted but I feel it needs to be said.

I am not a Mayte or Mani minion, a Vanity Vamp, etc. I come here because of my love for Prince and needed a place to be able to remember him, to talk about him, to grieve him. In doing so, I remember the periods of life in which he was with each of these women. During those time periods, he released beautiful music and each of those periods were distinctly different musically. I miss him, his presence here on earth. But it is extremely disheartening to see the level of hate directed towards these women by certain groups. I may not always agree with their decisions in life, Mayte on the reality show, Vanity's drug use, Mani marrying Eric Benet, but I have always tried to remain respectful to each of these women. Why? Because Prince loved them enough to either marry them, or have a deep relationship with them. He may not have always been the easiest person to love, he had his issues (as we all do), but given that I know how difficult it probably was for him to trust, he trusted these women at various times in his life, he gave them his love, his body, his life, and so I will respect these women.

For me, it has never been a "He loved this one more than that one". I've had 4 major relationships in my life, been married twice, both ended in divorce, and it was never a matter of loving one more than another. I loved who I was with at the time and once the relationship was over, I still loved them, wished them well, but moved on with my life and they moved on with theirs. Prince was never a person who looked back in his life. Looking at him, the way he went through band members, the number of protegies, how quickly he changed out people, he didn't look back on his relationships nor cling to them. He was someone who was able to let go easily. Growing up as he did, that is a learned trait (I know because I have the same trait due to similar childhood experiences). We know this trait of Prince's, we have seen the evidence in how quickly he could drop a project and move on to the next project. Heck, we have seen how quickly he can move on from one relationship to the next.

These women aren't/weren't perfect. Far from it. None of us are. But Prince loved them at various times thoughout his life. He gave to them a part of himself that none of us will ever, can ever know. But disrespecting these women, saying he loved this one more than that one, isn't doing any of us any good. And, to be honest, it's disrespecting Prince. I only got engaged in these conversations when I saw a group of people take a song that was clearly (and was said to have been) written about one of these women, and trying to make it about another one of the women. To me, that was being disrespectful, to Prince, to the memory of Prince, and to the women he loved. Saying one woman cannot write about her experiences and even stating in that thread that Prince isn't here to defend himself and that anything she says is "suspect", but then approving of personal letters sent by him to someone else is okay, isn't okay. It either all needs to stay private or both should be allowed.

We do not know what the confidential agreements stated. For all we know they could state the confidentiality agreements are only good during the lifetime of Prince, and that once he is gone, they are able to write and talk about their time with him. I mean, Prince didn't even keep a will, so obviously he was not overly concerned with what was going to happen once he was no longer here. He believed in an afterlife, said so in many songs and interviews, and as such, he knew none of this woud matter. He knew what was said about him after he was gone, would not matter. He knew how he was remembered, would not matter. I sincerely believe that is why he didn't leave a will. So none of this matters. Mayte's book. Doesn't matter. Vanity's letters. Doesn't matter. Mani's 40 unknown things. Doesn't matter. Prince isn't here any more, he no longer walks this earth, breathes this air, he's no longer here. Do you think he cares about the book, the letters, or the 40 unknown things? If he were alive, it would all be a different story. If he were alive, we wouldn't be having any of these conversations.

I am beyond saddened to see how people are going at each other in regards to these women. This isn't what Prince was about. He was about bringing people together. I think he would be sad to see this going on and would probably write a song about it. But he's not here to care any more. And that is what I keep coming back to in my head and heart, he's not here. I will defend each of these women where I see what I consider to be an injustice towards them or a defilement of the memory they have as a Prince wife, lover. These are their memories, their history, to either share or not share. I have no say so in it. None of us do. The only one that does isn't here any more and he is in a place in which he doesn't care what they do or don't share.

I miss Prince. That is why I'm here. That is my only agenda on this site any more. I miss Prince. What is yours?

There is a big difference in making money off someone in a way that diffutes what he had done while on earth. Prince was a living legend ; one of the most iconic geniuses of a generation - his life and his music will be disected and analyzed through the ages. No one is saying no books or essays or letters should not be shared or written. Since his death many have been shared out of love and respect for Prince not to try to rewrite history with a book Prince never wanted published- The letters were not for gain, not changing history, not disreseptful of who Prince was; yes he has left earth and it is shameful to see money grabbers and hangers ons even in death.

Bad taste is bad taste no matter your place in someone's life. Look at the Kardashians they always share their truth - and it is crass and not needed and it has made them money-just because you can does not mean you should.

Vanity-Denise- the drug use- long ago and she never disrespected or belittled any who were in Prince's circle prior to her or any who came after her- that is why I respect her- she is legendary and never hid what she did with the drugs, the men etc. and she was not whining over he did her wrong and what she did not have not nor acted entitled and the funny thing is that at the Rolling Stone cover with her and Prince is iconic and she never went on interviews etc talking about "her time" with him.

What a class act. R.I.P. Evanglist Denise Matthews

Krystalkisses said:

Yes, you put into words what others here have privately thought. I personally loved the women and they have the right to speak their truth. I think a lot of the negativity towards them stems from jealousy or blind prince fanaticism.

Not always jealousy or fanaticism although a very probable cause. If we'd refer to a fan who hates all his former women, I would agree with you. However, if one admires a few of his associate/relationships and not others, I say it is due to the behavior of the latter ones.

I am clearly not a fan of Mayte but I admire her belly dancing and find her dog rescue a kind project. I also find her attire more classy than when she used to dance with Prince. I am however not happy with the book project. Does this make me a bigot against Hispanic women or a bootlegger as I was called once for not appreciating Mayte? Does that make me jealous of her?

I used to LOVE Mani but was disappointed with her behavior post-death (tribute, attending the Revolution concert and clearly expressing it, the 40 things you don't know about me including a miscarriage...)

malbena said:

Krystalkisses said:

malbena said:

Not always jealousy or fanaticism although a very probable cause. If we'd refer to a fan who hates all his former women, I would agree with you. However, if one admires a few of his associate/relationships and not others, I say it is due to the behavior of the latter ones.

I am clearly not a fan of Mayte but I admire her belly dancing and find her dog rescue a kind project. I also find her attire more classy than when she used to dance with Prince. I am however not happy with the book project. Does this make me a bigot against Hispanic women or a bootlegger as I was called once for not appreciating Mayte? Does that make me jealous of her?

I used to LOVE Mani but was disappointed with her behavior post-death (tribute, attending the Revolution concert and clearly expressing it, the 40 things you don't know about me including a miscarriage...)

You have a point malbena...I guess it just bothers me when people gang up on one of the women. I know how it feels to have dealt with catty women so I am quick to defend the underdog. And of course you have a right to feel however about anyone. However I can say I like Mani even though I was envious she was a fan that got to marry my childhood fantasy, but not envious from a mean place , I more admire her actually. But now that I'm older I understand that all that glitters ain't gold. And truly we really don't know what being married to Prince was like. Only Mayte and Mani know and the fact that they bonded speaks volumes to me. As much as we love the artist and image of what we thought he was like, even being sexually attracted to him, there was a real person there that we didn't understand or have the opportunity to know who may have been radically different than our fantasy. Personally I am thankful for my husband and would not trade him for anything even a Prince fantasy.

Well said, lady

Krystalkisses said:

malbena said:

Krystalkisses said:

Yes, you put into words what others here have privately thought. I personally loved the women and they have the right to speak their truth. I think a lot of the negativity towards them stems from jealousy or blind prince fanaticism.

Not always jealousy or fanaticism although a very probable cause. If we'd refer to a fan who hates all his former women, I would agree with you. However, if one admires a few of his associate/relationships and not others, I say it is due to the behavior of the latter ones.

I am clearly not a fan of Mayte but I admire her belly dancing and find her dog rescue a kind project. I also find her attire more classy than when she used to dance with Prince. I am however not happy with the book project. Does this make me a bigot against Hispanic women or a bootlegger as I was called once for not appreciating Mayte? Does that make me jealous of her?

I used to LOVE Mani but was disappointed with her behavior post-death (tribute, attending the Revolution concert and clearly expressing it, the 40 things you don't know about me including a miscarriage...)

You have a point malbena...I guess it just bothers me when people gang up on one of the women. I know how it feels to have dealt with catty women so I am quick to defend the underdog. And of course you have a right to feel however about anyone. However I can say I like Mani even though I was envious she was a fan that got to marry my childhood fantasy, but not envious from a mean place , I more admire her actually. But now that I'm older I understand that all that glitters ain't gold. And truly we really don't know what being married to Prince was like. Only Mayte and Mani know and the fact that they bonded speaks volumes to me. As much as we love the artist and image of what we thought he was like, even being sexually attracted to him, there was a real person there that we didn't understand or have the opportunity to know who may have been radically different than our fantasy. Personally I am thankful for my husband and would not trade him for anything even a Prince fantasy.

Krystalkisses said:

malbena said:

Not always jealousy or fanaticism although a very probable cause. If we'd refer to a fan who hates all his former women, I would agree with you. However, if one admires a few of his associate/relationships and not others, I say it is due to the behavior of the latter ones.

I am clearly not a fan of Mayte but I admire her belly dancing and find her dog rescue a kind project. I also find her attire more classy than when she used to dance with Prince. I am however not happy with the book project. Does this make me a bigot against Hispanic women or a bootlegger as I was called once for not appreciating Mayte? Does that make me jealous of her?

I used to LOVE Mani but was disappointed with her behavior post-death (tribute, attending the Revolution concert and clearly expressing it, the 40 things you don't know about me including a miscarriage...)

You have a point malbena...I guess it just bothers me when people gang up on one of the women. I know how it feels to have dealt with catty women so I am quick to defend the underdog. And of course you have a right to feel however about anyone. However I can say I like Mani even though I was envious she was a fan that got to marry my childhood fantasy, but not envious from a mean place , I more admire her actually. But now that I'm older I understand that all that glitters ain't gold. And truly we really don't know what being married to Prince was like. Only Mayte and Mani know and the fact that they bonded speaks volumes to me. As much as we love the artist and image of what we thought he was like, even being sexually attracted to him, there was a real person there that we didn't understand or have the opportunity to know who may have been radically different than our fantasy. Personally I am thankful for my husband and would not trade him for anything even a Prince fantasy.

This.

I also find myself wanting to defend a woman, especially, when other women gang up on her; it's just so mean girl-ish. We don't know the inner lives of any of these people or what has gone on behind closed doors. There are so many assumptions made about everything with regard to P's love life. He never spoke too much about it, and neither have the wives for the most part. Most of us simply do not know any of these people, and if we do, few of us know them well.

I admit that I tire of the "we had a special love" posts that seem to come out about once a week from one of his women but, quite frankly, it's easy enough to ignore.

I'm not interested in Mayte's book, but she's always had the right to tell her story if she chose. That doesn't mean I have to read it (and if she signed a non-disclosure, I highly doubt a judge would hold her to it if she was talking about her own child, for crying out loud). I don't care for the timing of it but a publisher is not going to give her a decent advance at any other time. It's probably now or never, even though I wish she wouldn't bother with it.

That's not to say I was sexually attracted to P...it really depended on the era. I am very happy with my own husband. Took me long enough to find him!

[Edited 9/24/16 12:26pm]

Krystalkisses said:

malbena said:

Not always jealousy or fanaticism although a very probable cause. If we'd refer to a fan who hates all his former women, I would agree with you. However, if one admires a few of his associate/relationships and not others, I say it is due to the behavior of the latter ones.

I am clearly not a fan of Mayte but I admire her belly dancing and find her dog rescue a kind project. I also find her attire more classy than when she used to dance with Prince. I am however not happy with the book project. Does this make me a bigot against Hispanic women or a bootlegger as I was called once for not appreciating Mayte? Does that make me jealous of her?

I used to LOVE Mani but was disappointed with her behavior post-death (tribute, attending the Revolution concert and clearly expressing it, the 40 things you don't know about me including a miscarriage...)

You have a point malbena...I guess it just bothers me when people gang up on one of the women. I know how it feels to have dealt with catty women so I am quick to defend the underdog. And of course you have a right to feel however about anyone. However I can say I like Mani even though I was envious she was a fan that got to marry my childhood fantasy, but not envious from a mean place , I more admire her actually. But now that I'm older I understand that all that glitters ain't gold. And truly we really don't know what being married to Prince was like. Only Mayte and Mani know and the fact that they bonded speaks volumes to me. As much as we love the artist and image of what we thought he was like, even being sexually attracted to him, there was a real person there that we didn't understand or have the opportunity to know who may have been radically different than our fantasy. Personally I am thankful for my husband and would not trade him for anything even a Prince fantasy.

This.

I also find myself wanting to defend a woman, especially, when other women gang up on her; it's just so mean girl-ish. We don't know the inner lives of any of these people or what has gone on behind closed doors. There are so many assumptions made about everything with regard to P's love life. He never spoke to much about it, and neither have the wives for the most part. Most of us simply do not know any of these people, and if we do, few of us know them well.

I admit that I tire of the "we had a special love" posts that seem to come out about once a week from one of his women but, quite frankly, it's easy enough to ignore.

I'm not interested in Mayte's book, but she's always had the right to tell her story if she chose. That doesn't mean I have to read it (and if she signed a non-disclosure, I highly doubt a judge would hold her to it if she was talking about her own child, for crying out loud). I don't care for the timing of it but a publisher is not going to give her a decent advance at any other time. It's probably now or never, even though I wish she wouldn't bother with it.

That's not to say I was sexually attracted to P...it really depended on the era. I am very happy with my own husband. Took me long enough to find him!

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

I think it would be lovely if we only discussed associated artists here. But, then, Vanity and Mayte are associated artists as well. That'd only exclude discussions about Mani and family members like Tyka.

Darn that P, mixing business with pleasure all the time.

teach49 said:

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

I think it would be lovely if we only discussed associated artists here. But, then, Vanity and Mayte are associated artists as well. That'd only exclude discussions about Mani and family members like Tyka.

Darn that P, mixing business with pleasure all the time.

Vanity and Mayte can be limited to discussing them in their capacity as performers, cant they?

Tyka is also a performer, right?

Like I said, it all boils down to what can be discussed and if we are going to be that invested in what others think about these people on a personal level it is better not to allow discussion of them at all except as artists. That means no more threads about their personal relationships with Prince or lack thereof.

babynoz said:

teach49 said:

I think it would be lovely if we only discussed associated artists here. But, then, Vanity and Mayte are associated artists as well. That'd only exclude discussions about Mani and family members like Tyka.

Darn that P, mixing business with pleasure all the time.

Vanity and Mayte can be limited to discussing them in their capacity as performers, cant they?

Tyka is also a performer, right?

Like I said, it all boils down to what can be discussed and if we are going to be that invested in what others think about these people on a personal level it is better not to allow discussion of them at all except as artists. That means no more threads about their personal relationships with Prince or lack thereof.

Yeah, Tyka is a performer but she's not a protege. She came from the same musical family and starting writing at a young age. That's because of their parents not P. So it's a gray area for me.

Maybe have two threads -- one for associates' music and another for associated people in his personal life. That way those who want to discuss the musical happenings of associates don't get hammered with the anti Mayte, Mani, Vanity crowd taking over a thread? I'll admit I'm not one for gossip so I tire of people repeating their hatred over and over and over again. I may say my piece but then I will leave it alone. 'Nough said...ya know?

I understand what you're saying about Prince getting dogged on the Org and no one is as sensitive about that as they are about their favorite wife/protege. You make a good point and I sometimes feel that way, too. OTOH, he pursued success and it's part of what comes with the fame and fortune he pursued, where a wife or associate usually is not as visible and shouldn't expect to have fans dissing their every move in life (although I'm about over that, too, since they all keep posting things and doing tributes and whatnot). But I am sensitive when women go after the woman in a situation, instead of holding the man responsible for his own actions. I hate mean girl behavior and will say as much when I see it. Doesn't mean the conversation can't move forward. But, like you, I will call it like I see it.

But I'm okay with it either way (I can always just skip a thread I don't like) I just don't want the photo threads to go away. Those are fun.

[Edited 9/24/16 13:37pm]

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

That's the sad part right here.

teach49 said:

babynoz said:

Vanity and Mayte can be limited to discussing them in their capacity as performers, cant they?

Tyka is also a performer, right?

Like I said, it all boils down to what can be discussed and if we are going to be that invested in what others think about these people on a personal level it is better not to allow discussion of them at all except as artists. That means no more threads about their personal relationships with Prince or lack thereof.

Yeah, Tyka is a performer but she's not a protege. She came from the same musical family and starting writing at a young age. That's because of their parents not P. So it's a gray area for me.

Maybe have two threads -- one for associates' music and another for associated people in his personal life. That way those who want to discuss the musical happenings of associates don't get hammered with the anti Mayte, Mani, Vanity crowd taking over a thread? I'll admit I'm not one for gossip so I tire of people repeating their hatred over and over and over again. I may say my piece but then I will leave it alone. 'Nough said...ya know?

I understand what you're saying about Prince getting dogged on the Org and no one is as sensitive about that as they are about their favorite wife/protege. You make a good point and I sometimes feel that way, too. OTOH, he pursued success and it's part of what comes with the fame and fortune he pursued, where a wife or associate usually is not as visible and shouldn't expect to have fans dissing their every move in life (although I'm about over that, too, since they all keep posting things and doing tributes and whatnot). But I am sensitive when women go after the woman in a situation, instead of holding the man responsible for his own actions. I hate mean girl behavior and will say as much when I see it. Doesn't mean the conversation can't move forward. But, like you, I will call it like I see it.

But I'm okay with it either way (I can always just skip a thread I don't like) I just don't want the photo threads to go away. Those are fun.

[Edited 9/24/16 13:37pm]

Before Prince departed you could count the number of times I commented about any of these people on one hand. I don't care who says what about any of them and gender plays absolutely no part in it. I don't know if you are new around here, but Prince's various jump-offs used to come on here and literally drag each other for filth while others went into details about his intimate preferences. I am talking about women who were personally involved with him, not org members, so again it is up to the moderators what can and cannot be said.

Furthermore, it is not entirely true that they were not visible since at various times all of them have posted comments on social media about a man whose life they have not been involved in since over a decade ago and they are still placing themselves in the public eye. They did the same when they were with him and should understand that they can't have it both ways. It is part of them pursuing their own visibility and doesn't just applly to Prince IMO.

Like you, at the end of the day I won't lose sleep over it.

wonder505 said:

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

That's the sad part right here.

It made me so sad to hear that he read the filth posted here about him. I used to hope he never did.

babynoz said:

teach49 said:

Yeah, Tyka is a performer but she's not a protege. She came from the same musical family and starting writing at a young age. That's because of their parents not P. So it's a gray area for me.

Maybe have two threads -- one for associates' music and another for associated people in his personal life. That way those who want to discuss the musical happenings of associates don't get hammered with the anti Mayte, Mani, Vanity crowd taking over a thread? I'll admit I'm not one for gossip so I tire of people repeating their hatred over and over and over again. I may say my piece but then I will leave it alone. 'Nough said...ya know?

I understand what you're saying about Prince getting dogged on the Org and no one is as sensitive about that as they are about their favorite wife/protege. You make a good point and I sometimes feel that way, too. OTOH, he pursued success and it's part of what comes with the fame and fortune he pursued, where a wife or associate usually is not as visible and shouldn't expect to have fans dissing their every move in life (although I'm about over that, too, since they all keep posting things and doing tributes and whatnot). But I am sensitive when women go after the woman in a situation, instead of holding the man responsible for his own actions. I hate mean girl behavior and will say as much when I see it. Doesn't mean the conversation can't move forward. But, like you, I will call it like I see it.

But I'm okay with it either way (I can always just skip a thread I don't like) I just don't want the photo threads to go away. Those are fun.

[Edited 9/24/16 13:37pm]

Before Prince departed you could count the number of times I commented about any of these people on one hand. I don't care who says what about any of them and gender plays absolutely no part in it. I don't know if you are new around here, but Prince's various jump-offs used to come on here and literally drag each other for filth while others went into details about his intimate preferences. I am talking about women who were personally involved with him, not org members, so again it is up to the moderators what can and cannot be said.

Furthermore, it is not entirely true that they were not visible since at various times all of them have posted comments on social media about a man whose life they have not been involved in since over a decade ago and they are still placing themselves in the public eye. They did the same when they were with him and should understand that they can't have it both ways. It is part of them pursuing their own visibility and doesn't just applly to Prince IMO.

Like you, at the end of the day I won't lose sleep over it.

I lurked. And I don't stick around on fansites that diss the object of the fandom. Makes no sense to me. I move on pretty quickly because of that, quite honestly (and I never lurked long around here and I discovered it pretty late since I'm not a fansite kinda gal usually). I stayed here after he died because this is the place where information about the estate, the investigation, tributes, and, most importantly, music releases (hopefully) are and will be discussed. I don't want to miss that!

As for fame, I kinda meant fame in the general way, and with regard to someone as famous as Prince. Usually spouses, even if artists themselves on social media, are not the subject of vitriol because who really cares about them? I don't really count social media as the same thing as being a celebrity, even though most of what I have seen from P's associates is unwise at the very least.

But, the Prince world is a different world altogether, I am learning. Before he died, I only ever focused on the music. But I am interested in what is going to happen to his estate and his legacy.

If people were ugly to P on the org, I hope he didn't bother himself with it.

[Edited 9/24/16 21:49pm]

duplicate post.

[Edited 9/24/16 14:49pm]

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

I spent the majority of my time here over on P&R. The only time I ventured to the music side of things was when there was a major announcement. I was more interested in talking about religion, about God, so I missed a lot of the negativity being spoken about Prince. If I had seen it, I would have spoken out against it, too. In fact, I tried once when I did see it, and my thread was locked and quickly faded into obscurity, this was after the 4/21 though. It was deemed "ridiculous". My point at that time was to try to encourage people to not spread rumors that weren't true, to wait for the results from the autopsy. Since 4/21, I have spent more time in PM&M, because I wanted to share in remembering him.

I don't have an emotional attachment to any of the women in Prince's life either, but I hate seeing the negativity that is flung about in regards to these women. And it has gotten worse since 4/21. It's disheartening and sad and just really unnecessary. I suppose I'm with teach49 on this. I hate seeing women gang up on other women. I mean we have enough to deal with as women without getting catty with each other. And I guess it brings out the "protector" in me, as I've been called. I saw a women beaten almost to death, well, I guess you could say she was beaten to death because it resulted in her death, and that was my mom. So, when I see other women being ganged up on, people badmouthing women, I guess I just see the injustice in that. We should be supporting each other, helping to inspire and build each other up, not tearing each other down. We get enough of that in the world.

But yes, I would have (and do) defend Prince just as much. I hear every day that he was "just another drug addict", and I correct people on that assumption that I am around.

benni said:

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

I spent the majority of my time here over on P&R. The only time I ventured to the music side of things was when there was a major announcement. I was more interested in talking about religion, about God, so I missed a lot of the negativity being spoken about Prince. If I had seen it, I would have spoken out against it, too. In fact, I tried once when I did see it, and my thread was locked and quickly faded into obscurity, this was after the 4/21 though. It was deemed "ridiculous". My point at that time was to try to encourage people to not spread rumors that weren't true, to wait for the results from the autopsy. Since 4/21, I have spent more time in PM&M, because I wanted to share in remembering him.

I don't have an emotional attachment to any of the women in Prince's life either, but I hate seeing the negativity that is flung about in regards to these women. And it has gotten worse since 4/21. It's disheartening and sad and just really unnecessary. I suppose I'm with teach49 on this. I hate seeing women gang up on other women. I mean we have enough to deal with as women without getting catty with each other. And I guess it brings out the "protector" in me, as I've been called. I saw a women beaten almost to death, well, I guess you could say she was beaten to death because it resulted in her death, and that was my mom. So, when I see other women being ganged up on, people badmouthing women, I guess I just see the injustice in that. We should be supporting each other, helping to inspire and build each other up, not tearing each other down. We get enough of that in the world.

But yes, I would have (and do) defend Prince just as much. I hear every day that he was "just another drug addict", and I correct people on that assumption that I am around.

I'm sorry to hear about such a traumatic event Yes, it does profoundly explain your motives in protecting a woman being attacked.

malbena said:

benni said:

I spent the majority of my time here over on P&R. The only time I ventured to the music side of things was when there was a major announcement. I was more interested in talking about religion, about God, so I missed a lot of the negativity being spoken about Prince. If I had seen it, I would have spoken out against it, too. In fact, I tried once when I did see it, and my thread was locked and quickly faded into obscurity, this was after the 4/21 though. It was deemed "ridiculous". My point at that time was to try to encourage people to not spread rumors that weren't true, to wait for the results from the autopsy. Since 4/21, I have spent more time in PM&M, because I wanted to share in remembering him.

I don't have an emotional attachment to any of the women in Prince's life either, but I hate seeing the negativity that is flung about in regards to these women. And it has gotten worse since 4/21. It's disheartening and sad and just really unnecessary. I suppose I'm with teach49 on this. I hate seeing women gang up on other women. I mean we have enough to deal with as women without getting catty with each other. And I guess it brings out the "protector" in me, as I've been called. I saw a women beaten almost to death, well, I guess you could say she was beaten to death because it resulted in her death, and that was my mom. So, when I see other women being ganged up on, people badmouthing women, I guess I just see the injustice in that. We should be supporting each other, helping to inspire and build each other up, not tearing each other down. We get enough of that in the world.

But yes, I would have (and do) defend Prince just as much. I hear every day that he was "just another drug addict", and I correct people on that assumption that I am around.

I'm sorry to hear about such a traumatic event Yes, it does profoundly explain your motives in protecting a woman being attacked.

Thank you, Malbena. I appreciate that. It's been a very long time ago, almost 44 years, but I do still have a tendency to protect people. :-/ Guess that is something I will never outgrow.

benni said:

benni said:

babynoz said:

This thread might be better over in site discussion because what is discussed here is what the mods allow according to the site rules, period.

Ultimately, regardless of whether or not I agree with their decisions at any given time, (sometimes I disagree vehemently), when I signed up as a member, those were the terms I agreed to.

Furthermore, and I have mentioned this before, I am not seeing nearly as much vitriol directed toward all of Prince's associates combined as I saw directed at the man himself almost daily, while he was alive and reading this site, and I don't recall too many people objecting to it at the time.

Another thing I have stated is that I personally don't pick and choose between various persons because I don't have an emotional or nostalgic attachement to any of them. If a particular action is being discussed that I find troubling, I will say so, regardless of who is doing it and with no regard to who Prince did or did not love. I am under no obligation to love or not love anybody based on how he felt about them.

Therefore, If or when a problem arises in a forum clearly labeled "associated artists and people", I suggest that we ask for the moderator's guidance/input if there are any special rules about what can or cant be said about whom.

Perhaps if this forum is so disturbing it could be re-vamped to allow only discussions that are strictly about musical projects and re-name it Associated Artists?

I'm fine either way because as I have also said several times, most of us do now follow these people and know only what is brought here by org members.

Either way it boils down to a site discussion issue...

I spent the majority of my time here over on P&R. The only time I ventured to the music side of things was when there was a major announcement. I was more interested in talking about religion, about God, so I missed a lot of the negativity being spoken about Prince. If I had seen it, I would have spoken out against it, too. In fact, I tried once when I did see it, and my thread was locked and quickly faded into obscurity, this was after the 4/21 though. It was deemed "ridiculous". My point at that time was to try to encourage people to not spread rumors that weren't true, to wait for the results from the autopsy. Since 4/21, I have spent more time in PM&M, because I wanted to share in remembering him.

I don't have an emotional attachment to any of the women in Prince's life either, but I hate seeing the negativity that is flung about in regards to these women. And it has gotten worse since 4/21. It's disheartening and sad and just really unnecessary. I suppose I'm with teach49 on this. I hate seeing women gang up on other women. I mean we have enough to deal with as women without getting catty with each other. And I guess it brings out the "protector" in me, as I've been called. I saw a women beaten almost to death, well, I guess you could say she was beaten to death because it resulted in her death, and that was my mom. So, when I see other women being ganged up on, people badmouthing women, I guess I just see the injustice in that. We should be supporting each other, helping to inspire and build each other up, not tearing each other down. We get enough of that in the world.

But yes, I would have (and do) defend Prince just as much. I hear every day that he was "just another drug addict", and I correct people on that assumption that I am around.

I am so sorry. Such a difficult and horrific thing to witness. Hugs to you.

babynoz said:

Before Prince departed you could count the number of times I commented about any of these people on one hand. I don't care who says what about any of them and gender plays absolutely no part in it. I don't know if you are new around here, but Prince's various jump-offs used to come on here and literally drag each other for filth while others went into details about his intimate preferences. I am talking about women who were personally involved with him, not org members, so again it is up to the moderators what can and cannot be said.

Furthermore, it is not entirely true that they were not visible since at various times all of them have posted comments on social media about a man whose life they have not been involved in since over a decade ago and they are still placing themselves in the public eye. They did the same when they were with him and should understand that they can't have it both ways. It is part of them pursuing their own visibility and doesn't just applly to Prince IMO.

Like you, at the end of the day I won't lose sleep over it.