Experience the music of the legendary award-winning, recording artist, Prince when Morris Day and The Time (“Jungle Love”) and Sheila E. (“The Glamorous Life”) take the stage in Purple Rain: A Tribute to Prince coming to Cleveland at the I-X Center on October 15, 2016. Dating back to the 70's, longtime friends and collaborators, Morris Day and Sheila E., will honor the late musician through performances of songs from his prolific career.

Tickets starting at $30. Discounted tickets can be purchased at Discount Drug Mart.

http://www.ixcenter.com/purplerain

That just doesn't look cool to me... but I will be driving over to Cleveland for the show..

This all feels abit cheap to me, I'm not having a go at the people involved, even billing it as Purple Rain is just milking all they can.

bondno9 said:

laurarichardson said:

bondno9 said:

Experience the music of the legendary award-winning, recording artist, Prince when Morris Day and The Time (“Jungle Love”) and Sheila E. (“The Glamorous Life”) take the stage in Purple Rain: A Tribute to Prince coming to Cleveland at the I-X Center on October 15, 2016. Dating back to the 70's, longtime friends and collaborators, Morris Day and Sheila E., will honor the late musician through performances of songs from his prolific career.

Tickets starting at $30. Discounted tickets can be purchased at Discount Drug Mart.

http://www.ixcenter.com/purplerain

--Really disappointed about this. The only good thing is they are both pushing 60 so they will not being doing this stuff for next 20 years.

Don't be too sure...

FlyOnTheWall said:

laurarichardson said:

bondno9 said: --Really disappointed about this. The only good thing is they are both pushing 60 so they will not being doing this stuff for next 20 years.

Don't be too sure...

Well I hope not. One thing they could learn from Prince's death is too slow down. I will always believe he would still be here if he had just retired from the stage.

ecnirp98 said:

This all feels abit cheap to me, I'm not having a go at the people involved, even billing it as Purple Rain is just milking all they can.

I'm feeling real salty towards Sheila and Morris on this one! The commercialization of P and anything associated with him for personal notoriety or financial gain is beyond disturbing! Jubilant Judas'with fake tears

bondno9 said:

ecnirp98 said:

This all feels abit cheap to me, I'm not having a go at the people involved, even billing it as Purple Rain is just milking all they can.

I'm feeling real salty towards Sheila and Morris on this one! The commercialization of P and anything associated with him for personal notoriety or financial gain is beyond disturbing! Jubilant Judas'with fake tears

I'm the same as you, I guess part of the problem was that when Prince was still here, he blocked the associated artists/ex-employee's etc from using his music/legacy, even where they were heavily associated, like blocking Revolution shows, so I guess now he is gone they have a free reign and allot of catching up to do in their time.

These days the 80's tours etc are hugely popular and lucrative, so you can see why the associated artists are milking the gravy train, it all just feels to quick after Prince's passing and looks like a money generating exercise for the artists concerned, rather than anything done for/in Prince's memory.

Looking at these show's popping up with the crass ads, you can see why Prince blocked them !!!!

I'd go to this show if it came to my town

Being mad at Morris and Sheila is really kind of misplacing blame. These shows aren't generating vast sums of money for them, so the marketing probably is low-budget, and in your face in a way that seems insensitive. That's just the realities of business and their place in the grander scheme of things. The shows are going to be hot though.

That didn't take long, did it?

The so called friends/collaborators are really cashing in on his death. Using his legacy so they can boost their own careers. Such a shame...

And Sheila is just milking this situation. Speaking out against the estate saying it's too soon to open Paisley Park while she's cashing in on all of

the so called tributes and selling merchandise with his symbol. Going from one tv show to another, promoting her cruise, shirts, concerts, and even her

book which came out 3 years ago!

And then repeating the same ole lines how she influenced Prince, how she already knew who she was back in '79. She's really trying too hard and it's looking very sad

and a bit delusional for a woman who's going to be 60 soon. And even when she was asked about his hip condition/ pain, she twisted the whole thing to herself saying she's in

pain also.

It really looks like they are just trying to re-vitalize their careers ( which are btw, frozen in time), not paying tributes. Opportunism.

Let's face it, if there was no Prince, she would be just a session musician like she was before. In other words, ALL of them had the opportunity to record albums, songs

post Prince, post the 80s, post their collaboratin and show their musical greatness... Where are these albums, songs or even a song?

And let's be frank, about 4 or 5 years ago, when Prince was still alive, when she was doing interviews she was not particularly positive about him, again dimishing

his influence on her career. I mean, come on!

I don't even want to get into "Girl meets Boy"... and the pompous mentioning how she's not profiting from it.

Yeah, but it's the first time she was on Larry King in her career... and again all because of him and sadly, because of his death.

Like her book; who would even want to buy it if there wasn't for her story with Prince!

And all of these years she's trying really hard to deny, reduce, diminish his influence, impact, contribution on her career.

Disloyal. Disrespectful. Insincere. Even Apollonia came out as more genuine.

Also going to a dozen of these talk shows and besides the obvious and blasphemous promotion, not really saying much besides the usual showbiz

phrases, cliches.

When he died she went to tv and was talking about the same story from the book- the engagement, like a parrot, like she was again promoting her book!

I mean if reporters, journalists are being aholes, vultures and hypocritical and they're promoting sensationalism you don't have to play that game, especially if

you're in the business for 30+ years. You can be a decent, sincere human being if you truly are one.

And that tattoo always in the forefront, and her facebook posts ,which she quadrupled!

I lost respect for her.

It's very sad to see that in the end it's all about money, not music, not his legacy, not friendship, not empathy, dignity.

Sadly (or not) I've seen better tributes coming from fans all over the world and other musicians who were not directly affiiated with Prn or Paisley Park.

So, perhaps now it's easier to see why Prince "ditched" so many of the people he made famous.

Disappointed.

"But you better watch out, they'll kiss you until they get what you got
And they'll show you the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale"

femaletrouble said:

That didn't take long, did it?

The so called friends/collaborators are really cashing in on his death. Using his legacy so they can boost their own careers. Such a shame...

And Sheila is just milking this situation. Speaking out against the estate saying it's too soon to open Paisley Park while she's cashing in on all of

the so called tributes and selling merchandise with his symbol. Going from one tv show to another, promoting her cruise, shirts, concerts, and even her

book which came out 3 years ago!

And then repeating the same ole lines how she influenced Prince, how she already knew who she was back in '79. She's really trying too hard and it's looking very sad

and a bit delusional for a woman who's going to be 60 soon. And even when she was asked about his hip condition/ pain, she twisted the whole thing to herself saying she's in

pain also.

It really looks like they are just trying to re-vitalize their careers ( which are btw, frozen in time), not paying tributes. Opportunism.

Let's face it, if there was no Prince, she would be just a session musician like she was before. In other words, ALL of them had the opportunity to record albums, songs

post Prince, post the 80s, post their collaboratin and show their musical greatness... Where are these albums, songs or even a song?

And let's be frank, about 4 or 5 years ago, when Prince was still alive, when she was doing interviews she was not particularly positive about him, again dimishing

his influence on her career. I mean, come on!

I don't even want to get into "Girl meets Boy"... and the pompous mentioning how she's not profiting from it.

Yeah, but it's the first time she was on Larry King in her career... and again all because of him and sadly, because of his death.

Like her book; who would even want to buy it if there wasn't for her story with Prince!

And all of these years she's trying really hard to deny, reduce, diminish his influence, impact, contribution on her career.

Disloyal. Disrespectful. Insincere. Even Apollonia came out as more genuine.

Also going to a dozen of these talk shows and besides the obvious and blasphemous promotion, not really saying much besides the usual showbiz

phrases, cliches.

When he died she went to tv and was talking about the same story from the book- the engagement, like a parrot, like she was again promoting her book!

I mean if reporters, journalists are being aholes, vultures and hypocritical and they're promoting sensationalism you don't have to play that game, especially if

you're in the business for 30+ years. You can be a decent, sincere human being if you truly are one.

And that tattoo always in the forefront, and her facebook posts ,which she quadrupled!

I lost respect for her.

It's very sad to see that in the end it's all about money, not music, not his legacy, not friendship, not empathy, dignity.

Sadly (or not) I've seen better tributes coming from fans all over the world and other musicians who were not directly affiiated with Prn or Paisley Park.

So, perhaps now it's easier to see why Prince "ditched" so many of the people he made famous.

Disappointed.

"But you better watch out, they'll kiss you until they get what you got
And they'll show you the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale"

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

ecnirp98 said:

femaletrouble said:

That didn't take long, did it?

The so called friends/collaborators are really cashing in on his death. Using his legacy so they can boost their own careers. Such a shame...

And Sheila is just milking this situation. Speaking out against the estate saying it's too soon to open Paisley Park while she's cashing in on all of

the so called tributes and selling merchandise with his symbol. Going from one tv show to another, promoting her cruise, shirts, concerts, and even her

book which came out 3 years ago!

And then repeating the same ole lines how she influenced Prince, how she already knew who she was back in '79. She's really trying too hard and it's looking very sad

and a bit delusional for a woman who's going to be 60 soon. And even when she was asked about his hip condition/ pain, she twisted the whole thing to herself saying she's in

pain also.

It really looks like they are just trying to re-vitalize their careers ( which are btw, frozen in time), not paying tributes. Opportunism.

Let's face it, if there was no Prince, she would be just a session musician like she was before. In other words, ALL of them had the opportunity to record albums, songs

post Prince, post the 80s, post their collaboratin and show their musical greatness... Where are these albums, songs or even a song?

And let's be frank, about 4 or 5 years ago, when Prince was still alive, when she was doing interviews she was not particularly positive about him, again dimishing

his influence on her career. I mean, come on!

I don't even want to get into "Girl meets Boy"... and the pompous mentioning how she's not profiting from it.

Yeah, but it's the first time she was on Larry King in her career... and again all because of him and sadly, because of his death.

Like her book; who would even want to buy it if there wasn't for her story with Prince!

And all of these years she's trying really hard to deny, reduce, diminish his influence, impact, contribution on her career.

Disloyal. Disrespectful. Insincere. Even Apollonia came out as more genuine.

Also going to a dozen of these talk shows and besides the obvious and blasphemous promotion, not really saying much besides the usual showbiz

phrases, cliches.

When he died she went to tv and was talking about the same story from the book- the engagement, like a parrot, like she was again promoting her book!

I mean if reporters, journalists are being aholes, vultures and hypocritical and they're promoting sensationalism you don't have to play that game, especially if

you're in the business for 30+ years. You can be a decent, sincere human being if you truly are one.

And that tattoo always in the forefront, and her facebook posts ,which she quadrupled!

I lost respect for her.

It's very sad to see that in the end it's all about money, not music, not his legacy, not friendship, not empathy, dignity.

Sadly (or not) I've seen better tributes coming from fans all over the world and other musicians who were not directly affiiated with Prn or Paisley Park.

So, perhaps now it's easier to see why Prince "ditched" so many of the people he made famous.

Disappointed.

"But you better watch out, they'll kiss you until they get what you got
And they'll show you the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale"

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

You make many valid points, but Prince's legacy limited? I could not disagree more strongly, or respectfully. Prince's choice to be an independent musician resulted in less media attention and airplay for him, but he was steadily building arguably the largest and most important music catalog ever. Not to mention Paisley Park, which has the earning potential to make Graceland look like a small operation. Prince Rogers Nelson's star will shine even more brightly now than during his storied life. Mark my word. I mean, just look how the world continues to intensely mourn his passing, almost five months later. And there is no end in sight.

ecnirp98 said:

femaletrouble said:

That didn't take long, did it?

The so called friends/collaborators are really cashing in on his death. Using his legacy so they can boost their own careers. Such a shame...

And Sheila is just milking this situation. Speaking out against the estate saying it's too soon to open Paisley Park while she's cashing in on all of

the so called tributes and selling merchandise with his symbol. Going from one tv show to another, promoting her cruise, shirts, concerts, and even her

book which came out 3 years ago!

And then repeating the same ole lines how she influenced Prince, how she already knew who she was back in '79. She's really trying too hard and it's looking very sad

and a bit delusional for a woman who's going to be 60 soon. And even when she was asked about his hip condition/ pain, she twisted the whole thing to herself saying she's in

pain also.

It really looks like they are just trying to re-vitalize their careers ( which are btw, frozen in time), not paying tributes. Opportunism.

Let's face it, if there was no Prince, she would be just a session musician like she was before. In other words, ALL of them had the opportunity to record albums, songs

post Prince, post the 80s, post their collaboratin and show their musical greatness... Where are these albums, songs or even a song?

And let's be frank, about 4 or 5 years ago, when Prince was still alive, when she was doing interviews she was not particularly positive about him, again dimishing

his influence on her career. I mean, come on!

I don't even want to get into "Girl meets Boy"... and the pompous mentioning how she's not profiting from it.

Yeah, but it's the first time she was on Larry King in her career... and again all because of him and sadly, because of his death.

Like her book; who would even want to buy it if there wasn't for her story with Prince!

And all of these years she's trying really hard to deny, reduce, diminish his influence, impact, contribution on her career.

Disloyal. Disrespectful. Insincere. Even Apollonia came out as more genuine.

Also going to a dozen of these talk shows and besides the obvious and blasphemous promotion, not really saying much besides the usual showbiz

phrases, cliches.

When he died she went to tv and was talking about the same story from the book- the engagement, like a parrot, like she was again promoting her book!

I mean if reporters, journalists are being aholes, vultures and hypocritical and they're promoting sensationalism you don't have to play that game, especially if

you're in the business for 30+ years. You can be a decent, sincere human being if you truly are one.

And that tattoo always in the forefront, and her facebook posts ,which she quadrupled!

I lost respect for her.

It's very sad to see that in the end it's all about money, not music, not his legacy, not friendship, not empathy, dignity.

Sadly (or not) I've seen better tributes coming from fans all over the world and other musicians who were not directly affiiated with Prn or Paisley Park.

So, perhaps now it's easier to see why Prince "ditched" so many of the people he made famous.

Disappointed.

"But you better watch out, they'll kiss you until they get what you got
And they'll show you the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale"

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

I was clearly talking about the period post Prince or should I say the period when they were no more in Prince's control as you said. I was speaking about them as musicians after the 80s, their artistical development, evolution, opus... Where are these songs, compositions? New ones, worth mentioning? While Prince was evolving, growing, changing if not anything else, Morris kept asking what time it is and Sheila kept repeating the first letters of the alphabet-A B, A B C D. They didn't move on! Reasons? Well, that's left to your own individual judgement. Advertising your concerts all the time as a tribute to Prince is too much and even going that far to call it Purple Rain to gain more attention! That's not a serious artist, that's a Prince karaoke, Prince cover band. Mentionig him in your every facebook post (and prior to April 21 there was hardly any mention), cannot stop using his name/ photos... again just to get more attention. Milking the emotions of Prince's fans to establish yourself is just wrong. No authenticity, phony narrative. Capitalizing on someone's death is just wrong. Capitalizing on the death of a person you knew ( who was your alleged lover/ collaborator/ bandmate) is even worse. Cash in. Period.

I think they are milking it while they are still current. Cannot agree on the "limited lifespan of his legacy". Unfortunatelly his death and reactions all over the world showed how important his place is.

femaletrouble said:

ecnirp98 said:

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

I was clearly talking about the period post Prince or should I say the period when they were no more in Prince's control as you said. I was speaking about them as musicians after the 80s, their artistical development, evolution, opus... Where are these songs, compositions? New ones, worth mentioning? While Prince was evolving, growing, changing if not anything else, Morris kept asking what time it is and Sheila kept repeating the first letters of the alphabet-A B, A B C D. They didn't move on! Reasons? Well, that's left to your own individual judgement. Advertising your concerts all the time as a tribute to Prince is too much and even going that far to call it Purple Rain to gain more attention! That's not a serious artist, that's a Prince karaoke, Prince cover band. Mentionig him in your every facebook post (and prior to April 21 there was hardly any mention), cannot stop using his name/ photos... again just to get more attention. Milking the emotions of Prince's fans to establish yourself is just wrong. No authenticity, phony narrative. Capitalizing on someone's death is just wrong. Capitalizing on the death of a person you knew ( who was your alleged lover/ collaborator/ bandmate) is even worse. Cash in. Period.

I think they are milking it while they are still current. Cannot agree on the "limited lifespan of his legacy". Unfortunatelly his death and reactions all over the world showed how important his place is.

We need a "microphone drop" emoji!!!!!

[Edited 9/10/16 20:51pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

ecnirp98 said:

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

You make many valid points, but Prince's legacy limited? I could not disagree more strongly, or respectfully. Prince's choice to be an independent musician resulted in less media attention and airplay for him, but he was steadily building arguably the largest and most important music catalog ever. Not to mention Paisley Park, which has the earning potential to make Graceland look like a small operation. Prince Rogers Nelson's star will shine even more brightly now than during his storied life. Mark my word. I mean, just look how the world continues to intensely mourn his passing, almost five months later. And there is no end in sight.

Prince has left probably the greatest catalogue of music, so I am not commenting about his music/talent, I am talking about Prince legacy/view to the General Public, people remember Prince from the 80's, he had very few hits since then. Prince is in the spotlight now as he has recently passed and there is media interest with the possible heirs, legal battles etc, so that's what I mean't by the associated artists using the current spotlight on Prince, in 5 years time that will not be there to do a 'Purple Rain' themed concert. Legacy was probably the wrong word to use, Prince's music catalogue, influences and talent will always be remembered and used with covers and releases from the vault etc, just like artists such as James Brown/Marvin Gaye, I am talking about using Prince name to promote your concert/event.

I cannot see Paisley Park existing in 10 years time, you will have the fans visit in the next few years, but Paisley Park is a large recording studio that takes allot of money to run, unless it can be ran as such with the Prince associations, unfortunately it will close in the long term, Prince funded Paisley park with his tours etc.

Minneapolis does not have the passing tourist footfall/curiousity of a Gracelands in Memphis. I hope it stays open as a great museum to Prince and his music, I just don't see it commercially working in the long term once the fans have been (I plan to visit from the UK myself in the next year and visited back in 1991 and did a tour of the studio when my band were considering recording there).

[Edited 9/11/16 4:07am]

ecnirp98 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

You make many valid points, but Prince's legacy limited? I could not disagree more strongly, or respectfully. Prince's choice to be an independent musician resulted in less media attention and airplay for him, but he was steadily building arguably the largest and most important music catalog ever. Not to mention Paisley Park, which has the earning potential to make Graceland look like a small operation. Prince Rogers Nelson's star will shine even more brightly now than during his storied life. Mark my word. I mean, just look how the world continues to intensely mourn his passing, almost five months later. And there is no end in sight.

Prince has left probably the greatest catalogue of music, so I am not commenting about his music/talent, I am talking about Prince legacy/view to the General Public, people remember Prince from the 80's, he had very few hits since then. Prince is in the spotlight now as he has recently passed and there is media interest with the possible heirs, legal battles etc, so that's what I mean't by the associated artists using the current spotlight on Prince, in 5 years time that will not be there to do a 'Purple Rain' themed concert. Legacy was probably the wrong word to use, Prince's music catalogue, influences and talent will always be remembered and used with covers and releases from the vault etc, just like artists such as James Brown/Marvin Gaye, I am talking about using Prince name to promote your concert/event.

I cannot see Paisley Park existing in 10 years time, you will have the fans visit in the next few years, but Paisley Park is a large recording studio that takes allot of money to run, unless it can be ran as such with the Prince associations, unfortunately it will close in the long term, Prince funded Paisley park with his tours etc.

Minneapolis does not have the passing tourist footfall/curiousity of a Gracelands in Memphis. I hope it stays open as a great museum to Prince and his music, I just don't see it commercially working in the long term once the fans have been (I plan to visit from the UK myself in the next year and visited back in 1991 and did a tour of the studio when my band were considering recording there).

[Edited 9/11/16 4:07am]

As stated in my earlier post, I disagree. If properly managed, Prince's estate, including Paisley Park, will be generating millions and millions of dollars perennially, for the foreseeable future. In my estimation, P left behind a BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE. With regard to Minneapolis, as they say, "If you build it, they will come. The city has the Mall of America and Prince's Paisley Park, and more. But, in the final analysis, only time will tell. Have a great day!!

FlyOnTheWall said:

femaletrouble said:

I was clearly talking about the period post Prince or should I say the period when they were no more in Prince's control as you said. I was speaking about them as musicians after the 80s, their artistical development, evolution, opus... Where are these songs, compositions? New ones, worth mentioning? While Prince was evolving, growing, changing if not anything else, Morris kept asking what time it is and Sheila kept repeating the first letters of the alphabet-A B, A B C D. They didn't move on! Reasons? Well, that's left to your own individual judgement. Advertising your concerts all the time as a tribute to Prince is too much and even going that far to call it Purple Rain to gain more attention! That's not a serious artist, that's a Prince karaoke, Prince cover band. Mentionig him in your every facebook post (and prior to April 21 there was hardly any mention), cannot stop using his name/ photos... again just to get more attention. Milking the emotions of Prince's fans to establish yourself is just wrong. No authenticity, phony narrative. Capitalizing on someone's death is just wrong. Capitalizing on the death of a person you knew ( who was your alleged lover/ collaborator/ bandmate) is even worse. Cash in. Period.

I think they are milking it while they are still current. Cannot agree on the "limited lifespan of his legacy". Unfortunatelly his death and reactions all over the world showed how important his place is.

We need a "microphone drop" emoji!!!!!

[Edited 9/10/16 20:51pm]

double

femaletrouble said

I was clearly talking about the period post Prince or should I say the period when they were no more in Prince's control as you said. I was speaking about them as musicians after the 80s, their artistical development, evolution, opus... Where are these songs, compositions? New ones, worth mentioning? While Prince was evolving, growing, changing if not anything else, Morris kept asking what time it is and Sheila kept repeating the first letters of the alphabet-A B, A B C D. They didn't move on! Reasons? Well, that's left to your own individual judgement. Advertising your concerts all the time as a tribute to Prince is too much and even going that far to call it Purple Rain to gain more attention! That's not a serious artist, that's a Prince karaoke, Prince cover band. Mentionig him in your every facebook post (and prior to April 21 there was hardly any mention), cannot stop using his name/ photos... again just to get more attention. Milking the emotions of Prince's fans to establish yourself is just wrong. No authenticity, phony narrative. Capitalizing on someone's death is just wrong. Capitalizing on the death of a person you knew ( who was your alleged lover/ collaborator/ bandmate) is even worse. Cash in. Period.

I think they are milking it while they are still current. Cannot agree on the "limited lifespan of his legacy". Unfortunatelly his death and reactions all over the world showed how important his place is.

I think this is funny, but not because you are so much wrong or anything, I agree with you except the whole 'artisticaly growing vs not growing argument'. Prince was just as locked to Purple Rain as everyone else in his camp, including those that didn't show up until years later, growth or not. His protoge acts were never supposed to be creatives in the sense you desribe. They are sidemen/women Prince coaxed into the spotlight to help fuel his creativity, so they aren't going to grow the way you might expect if they were singer/songwriters to begin with.

As far as the 'They are cashing in argument', I'd say are we sure that's a bad thing? Morris wasn't paid so much as a pat on the back for Purple Rain, and Sheila left the tour a million dollars in debt.

funksterr said:

femaletrouble said

I was clearly talking about the period post Prince or should I say the period when they were no more in Prince's control as you said. I was speaking about them as musicians after the 80s, their artistical development, evolution, opus... Where are these songs, compositions? New ones, worth mentioning? While Prince was evolving, growing, changing if not anything else, Morris kept asking what time it is and Sheila kept repeating the first letters of the alphabet-A B, A B C D. They didn't move on! Reasons? Well, that's left to your own individual judgement. Advertising your concerts all the time as a tribute to Prince is too much and even going that far to call it Purple Rain to gain more attention! That's not a serious artist, that's a Prince karaoke, Prince cover band. Mentionig him in your every facebook post (and prior to April 21 there was hardly any mention), cannot stop using his name/ photos... again just to get more attention. Milking the emotions of Prince's fans to establish yourself is just wrong. No authenticity, phony narrative. Capitalizing on someone's death is just wrong. Capitalizing on the death of a person you knew ( who was your alleged lover/ collaborator/ bandmate) is even worse. Cash in. Period.

I think they are milking it while they are still current. Cannot agree on the "limited lifespan of his legacy". Unfortunatelly his death and reactions all over the world showed how important his place is.

I think this is funny, but not because you are so much wrong or anything, I agree with you except the whole 'artisticaly growing vs not growing argument'. Prince was just as locked to Purple Rain as everyone else in his camp, including those that didn't show up until years later, growth or not. His protoge acts were never supposed to be creatives in the sense you desribe. They are sidemen/women Prince coaxed into the spotlight to help fuel his creativity, so they aren't going to grow the way you might expect if they were singer/songwriters to begin with.

As far as the 'They are cashing in argument', I'd say are we sure that's a bad thing? Morris wasn't paid so much as a pat on the back for Purple Rain, and Sheila left the tour a million dollars in debt.

If it's true that Morris wasn't paid for Purple Rain, why didn't his "people" negotiate a better deal with Warner Bros.? And, which tour did Sheila leave with a million dollar debt? Also, very importantly, do you have a source for these claims? If so, a link or two would be nice.

FlyOnTheWall said:

funksterr said:

I think this is funny, but not because you are so much wrong or anything, I agree with you except the whole 'artisticaly growing vs not growing argument'. Prince was just as locked to Purple Rain as everyone else in his camp, including those that didn't show up until years later, growth or not. His protoge acts were never supposed to be creatives in the sense you desribe. They are sidemen/women Prince coaxed into the spotlight to help fuel his creativity, so they aren't going to grow the way you might expect if they were singer/songwriters to begin with.

As far as the 'They are cashing in argument', I'd say are we sure that's a bad thing? Morris wasn't paid so much as a pat on the back for Purple Rain, and Sheila left the tour a million dollars in debt.

If it's true that Morris wasn't paid for Purple Rain, why didn't his "people" negotiate a better deal with Warner Bros.? And, which tour did Sheila leave with a million dollar debt? Also, very importantly, do you have a source for these claims? If so, a link or two would be nice.

Prince's "people" were their "people". There are numerous Prince biographies that detail this stuff.

funksterr said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

If it's true that Morris wasn't paid for Purple Rain, why didn't his "people" negotiate a better deal with Warner Bros.? And, which tour did Sheila leave with a million dollar debt? Also, very importantly, do you have a source for these claims? If so, a link or two would be nice.

Prince's "people" were their "people". There are numerous Prince biographies that detail this stuff.

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malbena said:

My!...How many more of these are we going to have?

I dunno but the show is over for me because Prince isn't here. I have yet to patronize anything posthumously from MJ's career and it will be the same with Prince I guess.

babynoz said:

malbena said:

Too many different tributes lead to suspicions. I'm skeptical.

Yep! It's also causing unnecessary DRAMA! I stay away from folk who bring nothing but drama to the table!

FlyOnTheWall said:

ecnirp98 said:

Prince has left probably the greatest catalogue of music, so I am not commenting about his music/talent, I am talking about Prince legacy/view to the General Public, people remember Prince from the 80's, he had very few hits since then. Prince is in the spotlight now as he has recently passed and there is media interest with the possible heirs, legal battles etc, so that's what I mean't by the associated artists using the current spotlight on Prince, in 5 years time that will not be there to do a 'Purple Rain' themed concert. Legacy was probably the wrong word to use, Prince's music catalogue, influences and talent will always be remembered and used with covers and releases from the vault etc, just like artists such as James Brown/Marvin Gaye, I am talking about using Prince name to promote your concert/event.

I cannot see Paisley Park existing in 10 years time, you will have the fans visit in the next few years, but Paisley Park is a large recording studio that takes allot of money to run, unless it can be ran as such with the Prince associations, unfortunately it will close in the long term, Prince funded Paisley park with his tours etc.

Minneapolis does not have the passing tourist footfall/curiousity of a Gracelands in Memphis. I hope it stays open as a great museum to Prince and his music, I just don't see it commercially working in the long term once the fans have been (I plan to visit from the UK myself in the next year and visited back in 1991 and did a tour of the studio when my band were considering recording there).

[Edited 9/11/16 4:07am]

As stated in my earlier post, I disagree. If properly managed, Prince's estate, including Paisley Park, will be generating millions and millions of dollars perennially, for the foreseeable future. In my estimation, P left behind a BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE. With regard to Minneapolis, as they say, "If you build it, they will come. The city has the Mall of America and Prince's Paisley Park, and more. But, in the final analysis, only time will tell. Have a great day!!

Yes, time will tell I guess, I hope Paisley Park and the associated properties survive as a legacy for Prince and can operate as businesses, whatever their context. With music being recorded/distrubuted cheaply online now, Paisley Park is fairly unique in the music world, there will be less of the grand studios for artists built now.

ecnirp98 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

As stated in my earlier post, I disagree. If properly managed, Prince's estate, including Paisley Park, will be generating millions and millions of dollars perennially, for the foreseeable future. In my estimation, P left behind a BILLION DOLLAR ESTATE. With regard to Minneapolis, as they say, "If you build it, they will come. The city has the Mall of America and Prince's Paisley Park, and more. But, in the final analysis, only time will tell. Have a great day!!

Yes, time will tell I guess, I hope Paisley Park and the associated properties survive as a legacy for Prince and can operate as businesses, whatever their context. With music being recorded/distrubuted cheaply online now, Paisley Park is fairly unique in the music world, there will be less of the grand studios for artists built now.

That's true, but I don't see the studios being working ones, not to any large degree. The bulk of the revenue from PP will be from tours, concessions (food and beverages), and memorabilia. There are also HUGE licensing fees to be made. Then there are music and film royalties, not to mention the sale of previously unreleased music. I just think, if the estate manages it properly, it could be a cash cow like nothing we've seen before in posthumous entertainer revenue streams. P. left behind a VAST EMPIRE.

[Edited 9/11/16 13:23pm]