LuxLove said:

funksterr said:

Apollonia immediately called that first Od for what it was in the classiest way possible ("Prince you need to take care of yourself") and immediately earned my respect. Even better now to hear how she was trying to get to him to make sure he was ok. It's disturbing though that he curved her... For the moment I put that in the 'no way in hell I'm actually going to rehab' box.

I don't think he curved her, I think it was the people around him doing that.

I'm not so sure. There are several ppl who tried to get hold of him after Moline (Andre, Sheila, one of the less known backing singers whose name escapes me right now, probably others). Those that phoned the staff couldn't get hold of him directly, but they got messages back from him, all saying variations of the same thing 'I'm fine/I'm perfect. Don't worry/Save your prayers. I'll see you soon.' He curved everyone that week.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

--- You need to get out more. P was a pimp not in the respect that he was being abusive but in the way women swooned over him and all the swag. Sad that this had to be explained to you.

Sorry, if that's all people got out of this post it's pretty sad. As far as I'm concerned pimp is a derogatory term that should never be used in association with Prince. Same thing with junkie.

no one care what you think,,,its cultural..i leave it there,,,you want to talk that

GhostChick said:

jayseajay said:

Okay, so let's take another example. I don't know about in the states, but in the UK for a good long while it was usual for certain groups of people to describe stuff they think is shit as 'gay.' Now, weirdly, gay people don't like this, because the word gay also means, y'know gay people, and using gay as a synonym for shit is obviously pretty upsetting to them. When ppl mention this might be offensive, others might go, 'no no no, that's not what we meant, we just meant shit' but the fact is you're still using a word for shit that means something else as well. It's not that I don't understand what is meant, it's that you're using a word that means 'man who violent and exploitative' or 'man who is good at controlling his hos' as a synonym for 'man who is sexy as shit/extremely seductive' and y'know, that pretty much entirely fails to capture what is so sexy and special about Prince. And in the context of Apple's lovely heartfelt post, it's also pretty disrespectful to immediately reach for a word which positions her as just another of Prince's hos. Some people objected to that, and there is a reason why we objected. It's not that we don't understand, it's that we understand and don't like it.

See this is why I don't like how these qoutes are set up, becauase I don't know I am really responding to.

Perhaps, I didn't quite know what "pimp hand was strong" means to either of you.

So I will say this, "where I'm", I know exactly what we mean by "pimp hand was strong". And I will just leave it at that.

who said the word "ho" or alluded to that ..Dont put words in someone else mouth ,,you are the first and only person to say that..for the record, i've never referred to any of hios GF's wife, hook up as ho's ..It apprears you do

OldFriends4Sale said:

RachB65 said:

laurarichardson said: It just sounds ugly, ignorant and disrespectful because the word Pimp has longstanding connotations that even a new n hip entry into the urban dictionary cant erase for most of the population/generation of P fans..

Pimp has always been a man who expoited women sexually for profit.
If there is a Pimp there is a hooker

and or make something showy or expressive

HeavenMustBNear said:

Musze said:

COULD NOT have been said any better. Sums it ALL up. Thank U!

Co-sign. Beautifully put.

Thank y'all!

clairew1975 said:

When I first heard "This Could Be Us" I thought then that he wrote about Apples & she confirmed it.

Really? I totally didn't envision her. I always imagined he was singing to some young girl who he wanted who was carefree and learning about the world, who flirted with him but was kindas stringing him along. That is just what I pictured while listening to the song.

I do remember in Alan Light's book Apollonia telling him that Prince said this song was about them and I was like ...what??? Apollonia? I thought they were just buds and professional assoicates but just shows you how much a fan can really know. From her post I learned that their friendship was a lot deeper than I thought.

From the song lyrics though it sounds like he was really trying to get with my girl Apples, (not that I blame him though, if I were a guy I would try to get her too!) . That lyric about wanting to lick her kitty clean??? That is so Prince. unless it was all in a joking, teasing manner and he was trying to make her blush. Prince was such a jokester.

Krystalkisses said:

anangellooksdown said:

I think it had been a long time since he had that kind of love. Maybe since Manuela. But he loved women and was amazing in this way to many of them. [Edited 8/30/16 10:29am]

Yes he certainly had a way with women. A very rare quality that most men do not possess. I'm sure he made every woman in his orbit feel special and beautiful. I think Mayte alluded to something like that in an interview I read, that he would notice the smallest details about you and make you feel beautiful.

As for not having a love since Manuela, that is unfourtante but I would believe it. He did seem in love with her from what I remember. And more at ease in general. I think she was a good influence on him. But wasn't he with Bria for quiet a while? I don't actually know much about them but I hope he had love since his divorce. That would be a long time to go without love.

And thanks for explaining the concept behind the song. That makes much more sense. It just doesn't fit with Apollonia to me. Although she is a strong, independent woman.

[Edited 8/30/16 10:41am]

I'm glad others were touched by it, but I thought it was odd. It's addressed to Prince, but it sounds more like she's writing it as a book. It's as though she wrote it to prove to the public that she had something special with P. She's telling him we did this and we did that...he already knows what they did...he was there. And why mention the kiss? (To try and prove they had something special...? It was probably a kiss on the cheek...they hadn't seen each other in 30 years. And P liked younger women...ok, I'll stop.) It would have sounded more authentic had she posted something to her Facebook followers and friends about her grieving experience. And some of what she wrote seems unbelievable. Just my honest 2 cents.

wisdom7 said:

I'm glad others were touched by it, but I thought it was odd. It's addressed to Prince, but it sounds more like she's writing it as a book. It's as though she wrote it to prove to the public that she had something special with P. She's telling him we did this and we did that...he already knows what they did...he was there. And why mention the kiss? (To try and prove they had something special...? It was probably a kiss on the cheek...they hadn't seen each other in 30 years. And P liked younger women...ok, I'll stop.) It would have sounded more authentic had she posted something to her Facebook followers and friends about her grieving experience. And some of what she wrote seems unbelievable. Just my honest 2 cents.

I think she's showing they found closure a while ago and were on good terms long before Vanity's funeral. It notes that he seemed to have quite a few one on one intimate talks with a few people of his past, not everyone it seems but those who were willing to make the step. She said a lot without betraying his privacy.

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Pimp has always been a man who expoited women sexually for profit.
If there is a Pimp there is a hooker

and or make something showy or expressive

but that is after the original use of the word
Pimp my ride
Pimps were always colorful and flamboyant showy & expressive

OldFriends4Sale said:

lwr001 said:

and or make something showy or expressive

but that is after the original use of the word
Pimp my ride
Pimps were always colorful and flamboyant showy & expressive

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but that is after the original use of the word
Pimp my ride
Pimps were always colorful and flamboyant showy & expressive

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

the origins of the word were never disassociated from the flashy colorful pimp who had hookers/hoes working for him

Krystalkisses said:

wisdom7 said:

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

but that is after the original use of the word
Pimp my ride
Pimps were always colorful and flamboyant showy & expressive

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

You don't get to decide all by yourself what words mean. That's not how words work.

Krystalkisses said:

jayseajay said:

lwr001 said:

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

You don't get to decide all by yourself what words mean. That's not how words work.

ok,, pimp hand means one thing to me and yet another to you; fair enough ...there is ambiguity everywhere....

jayseajay said:

lwr001 said:

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

You don't get to decide all by yourself what words mean. That's not how words work.

yet whats perfectly acceptable is to have people define the term addicted or junkie and excuse that for he was in pain

I wish for her that some day the joy of having known and loved Prince will be greater than the pain of loosing him so soon. I wish that for all of us really.

lwr001 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Pimp has always been a man who expoited women sexually for profit.
If there is a Pimp there is a hooker

and or make something showy or expressive

Respectfully, you really need a dictionary, and a history lesson.

To "pimp" something, namely a woman, refers to the idea that men always held the bulk of the cash and all of the power, and they were the real showmen, the pitch men, selling goods; those goods being a woman's body. They drove the nicer cars, wore the nicer clothes, and lived in the nicer homes. Mostly because they used women's bodies to maintain their lifestyle.

To "pimp" a car is to put something out there for people to salivate over and desire, much like they did with women (and even men). It's using one thing to profit for yourself, at the expense of the other thing (or person) being used. So yes, to make something "showy" is to exploit it..or rather to exploit her.

I'm not defending the sanctity of an automobile, but rather trying to enlighten whoever to the fact that "pimp" isn't a term about being expressive. Unless the person is just trying to express that they're a user and a slug. You wanna beef up your car with lights and gadgets - go ahead. But the whole "pimp my..." whatever is really a term I never liked, because so few people chose to understand it, or just ignore how pimps have exploited men and (mostly) women for decades.

jayseajay said:

lwr001 said:

i can define however i want..i choose the latter

You don't get to decide all by yourself what words mean. That's not how words work.

It's a bit like white folks trying to use the N word because it has an A on the end of it, instead of ER. It doesn't redefine the word as something less harmful or derogatory with a horrible history attached to it. It redefines the person using it as ignorant.

anangellooksdown said:

Krystalkisses said:

Yes he certainly had a way with women. A very rare quality that most men do not possess. I'm sure he made every woman in his orbit feel special and beautiful. I think Mayte alluded to something like that in an interview I read, that he would notice the smallest details about you and make you feel beautiful.

As for not having a love since Manuela, that is unfourtante but I would believe it. He did seem in love with her from what I remember. And more at ease in general. I think she was a good influence on him. But wasn't he with Bria for quiet a while? I don't actually know much about them but I hope he had love since his divorce. That would be a long time to go without love.

And thanks for explaining the concept behind the song. That makes much more sense. It just doesn't fit with Apollonia to me. Although she is a strong, independent woman.

[Edited 8/30/16 10:41am]

Hi KK. You're welcome. Yes, I remember also reading that Prince could look at you and make you feel like you were the only person in a room 👀🙂 I forgot about Bria! Yes I do think he really dug her and a few others too since he was married. I knowing might sound hocus-pocus but I heard a young woman psychic or medium talk about Prince and what she said hit me as spot-on. She said so many helpful comforting things including that he really likes where he is, but also that he hadn't "had that kind of love for a long, long time". It just rang true for me. But a lot of people don't have romantic love for many years at a time, and many for the many last decades of their lives. They know other kinds of love. Prince sure did, I think. He had a lot of friends who really loved him and he knew we did too. Most of all he had God.

Nicely put angle. You always are so thoughtful in your posts. You get me thinking. And you are right, romantic love is not the most important thing, he did have friends, and the fans (and we loved him!) and God was always with him. He was loved.

clairew1975 said:

Krystalkisses said:

Really? I totally didn't envision her. I always imagined he was singing to some young girl who he wanted who was carefree and learning about the world, who flirted with him but was kindas stringing him along. That is just what I pictured while listening to the song.

I do remember in Alan Light's book Apollonia telling him that Prince said this song was about them and I was like ...what??? Apollonia? I thought they were just buds and professional assoicates but just shows you how much a fan can really know. From her post I learned that their friendship was a lot deeper than I thought.

From the song lyrics though it sounds like he was really trying to get with my girl Apples, (not that I blame him though, if I were a guy I would try to get her too!) . That lyric about wanting to lick her kitty clean??? That is so Prince. unless it was all in a joking, teasing manner and he was trying to make her blush. Prince was such a jokester.

I don't know why I put them two together regarding that song but it was before Prince posted the song on Tidal with them both on the bike. I was like "ahh, thought so" lol Apollonia has pictures on her Instagram account and (Id need to check to confirm) but one was wishing him a happy birthday & she was looking forward to meeting up for dinner. I'm paraphrasing but I got the impression they still kept in touch way before the 30th anniversary.

GRRR ... It's driving me crazy but I could swear she posted something last year on her FB account about preparing dinner for a "special" guest. I got the impression it was P, but now I can't find the post (which I'm thinking was deleted )

Fighting back tears. That was beautiful.

bondno9 said:

Krystalkisses said:

wisdom7 said: