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Proteges: maybe there is not one right way to mourn Yes, some of their behavior is suspect. I don't mind Mayte writing a respectful book but I do hope she had already started on it before he died....because books take a long time to write and to start a book so quickly after his death is just sleazy. Jill is coming off spiteful but at least is giving P credit for his work and pointing out rightfully that P did compartmentalize...(good insight there). Sheila is exploiting his death to some degree but she is doing it in a respectful manner and may be justifying it in her mind as a way to mourn and carry on his legacy. It is hard for me to hate Sheila considering how long she worked with P and her apparent loyalty to him while he was alive. Manuela has been the classiest...I don't care what anyone else says about their history etc. Appolonia seems a bit infatuated with Prince (and her older posts prior to this death also seem to hint at that) but I am not sure how close they were. None of them are perfect but I like to assume they are sincere in their love of P. However, I am starting to realize however why P could be so self-protective and so inclined to compartmentialziing his relationships. His ego wasn't the only one to contend with.
Those throwing shade at Mayte might just be worrying about what she is going to write. i hope her book eventually calms them rather than upsets them. But their shade is really indicative of how much they care about him (even if it is a tad hypocritical to call out anyone else for aligning themselves with P.)
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No wonder Prince stayed to himself most of the time. Everyone around him used him and even death doesn't stop them wanting a piece of Prince's pie. | |
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I doubt that is a fair statement that 'everyone around Prince used him' | |
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I was so agreeing about everything until...that last paragraph. I'm not concerned by the content of the book and trust Mayte will only speak highly of Prince without revealing that many details after all. I'm not even going to read the book because I'm not interested. My issue with it is using Prince's name (and picture on the cover for that matter) to sell as well as the timing of the book release (anniversary of death). The latter two points exhibit a desperate seek for fame but in the eyes of many Prince's fans and even his former members, it is hard to accept. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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Whether I'm feeling mayte or not has absolutely nothing 2 do with my 30 yrs of loving & rooting 4 P. Ain't we got enough damn threads on her already BTW. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Mani saying that P didn't weigh that when she was with him (referring 2 his weight on the autopsy) was far from classy. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Maybe Mani needs to put forth an effort with her current husband, and leave her snide comments about her ex-husband alone. Why does she keep doing this? | |
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How would she know his weigh 10 years after the divorce? A lot has happened to him since then. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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The autopsy report said he was 112 at time of death. What Mani said may not have been classy but it was the truth. | |
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This all will drizzle out within another 6+months time
It is hard to say what exploiting is so far. Either people don't do/say anything and get accused of not appreciating Prince or if they do do something they are 'suspect' and a lot of that is from peoples own inner perceptions of the world, not really knowing the heart and intentions of the people in question.
I hope this doesn't turn into another Mayte/Mani flame thread
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How would she know his weigh 10 years after the divorce? A lot has happened to him since then. She made that comment after the autopsy results were released, which included his weight  "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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I've no interest in flaming either of them. I've said my piece before. There's more than enough mayte threads right now & the mani ones get removed every time. I'm far more interested in Artists such as The Time, Jesse, fDeluxe, Eric, Mint Condition, Andre etc etc. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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I second that. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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NinaB said: I've no interest in flaming either of them. I've said my piece before. There's more than enough mayte threads right now & the mani ones get removed every time. I'm far more interested in Artists such as The Time, Jesse, fDeluxe, Eric, Mint Condition, Andre etc etc.
But these folks are as self-serving as any of the women and a bit colder in some cases. I respect their work but don't think they have much to say about Prince beyond behavior from 30 years ago. they also have very little interest in seriously analysing any of P's work that doesn't include their participation. (nothing past 89) Andre, being the slight exception, when he said that he finally listened to 1999 and thought it was brilliant. And those 30 year old stories about P on the road and grueling rehearshals have been rehashed quite a few times. I am actually more interested in Prince's 'friends' and fellow 'artists' from recent years like Hall, Jones, Smiley, Shelby, Liv, Andy, Blackwell, 3rdeyegirl, P's sister Tyka, and the very suspicious Kirk Johnson. I actually think the females he worked with more recently were pretty cool.
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purplerabbithole said: NinaB said: I've no interest in flaming either of them. I've said my piece before. There's more than enough mayte threads right now & the mani ones get removed every time. I'm far more interested in Artists such as The Time, Jesse, fDeluxe, Eric, Mint Condition, Andre etc etc.
But these folks are as self-serving as any of the women and a bit colder in some cases. I respect their work but don't think they have much to say about Prince beyond behavior from 30 years ago. they also have very little interest in seriously analysing any of P's work that doesn't include their participation. (nothing past 89) Andre, being the slight exception, when he said that he finally listened to 1999 and thought it was brilliant. And those 30 year old stories about P on the road and grueling rehearshals have been rehashed quite a few times. I am actually more interested in Prince's 'friends' and fellow 'artists' from recent years like Hall, Jones, Smiley, Shelby, Liv, Andy, Blackwell, 3rdeyegirl, P's sister Tyka, and the very suspicious Kirk Johnson. I actually think the females he worked with more recently were pretty cool.
[Edited 9/29/16 19:38pm] [Edited 9/29/16 19:42pm] [Edited 9/29/16 19:45pm] I meant it's their work I'm interested in, not what they have 2 say about P. Altho their experiences with P are interesting 2 me, that wasn't what I was referring 2. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Although speculating is natural when you don't know shit... From a rational perspective, people need to not judge these women so harshly. We don't know what they are dealing with in any aspect really. I'm not even a fan of Mayte and the jury is still open on Mani, but I have the human decency to give them a break from dissecting them and their intentions. Some of the comments in other threads are warped. I don't know how some people sleep at night with how they talk about these women. | |
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GoldenParachute said: Although speculating is natural when you don't know shit... From a rational perspective, people need to not judge these women so harshly. We don't know what they are dealing with in any aspect really. I'm not even a fan of Mayte and the jury is still open on Mani, but I have the human decency to give them a break from dissecting them and their intentions. Some of the comments in other threads are warped. I don't know how some people sleep at night with how they talk about these women. Why talking about Prince then? ...if we don't know him personally. Or anybody at all for that matter. When people decide to go public, they have to realize people "know" them as they appear and express themselves publicly and be prepared for opinions. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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malbena said: GoldenParachute said: Although speculating is natural when you don't know shit... From a rational perspective, people need to not judge these women so harshly. We don't know what they are dealing with in any aspect really. I'm not even a fan of Mayte and the jury is still open on Mani, but I have the human decency to give them a break from dissecting them and their intentions. Some of the comments in other threads are warped. I don't know how some people sleep at night with how they talk about these women.
Why talking about Prince then? ...if we don't know him personally. Or anybody at all for that matter. When people decide to go public, they have to realize people "know" them as they appear and express themselves publicly and be prepared for opinions. Precisely. Why then? You answered your own question. [Edited 9/30/16 4:24am] | |
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purplerabbithole said: NinaB said: I've no interest in flaming either of them. I've said my piece before. There's more than enough mayte threads right now & the mani ones get removed every time. I'm far more interested in Artists such as The Time, Jesse, fDeluxe, Eric, Mint Condition, Andre etc etc.
But these folks are as self-serving as any of the women and a bit colder in some cases. I respect their work but don't think they have much to say about Prince beyond behavior from 30 years ago. they also have very little interest in seriously analysing any of P's work that doesn't include their participation. (nothing past 89) Andre, being the slight exception, when he said that he finally listened to 1999 and thought it was brilliant. And those 30 year old stories about P on the road and grueling rehearshals have been rehashed quite a few times. I am actually more interested in Prince's 'friends' and fellow 'artists' from recent years like Hall, Jones, Smiley, Shelby, Liv, Andy, Blackwell, 3rdeyegirl, P's sister Tyka, and the very suspicious Kirk Johnson. I actually think the females he worked with more recently were pretty cool.
[Edited 9/29/16 19:38pm] [Edited 9/29/16 19:42pm] [Edited 9/29/16 19:45pm] I agree with this. It seems like more recent collaborators and band members get the short shrift and people he worked with 30 years ago are considered the real deal. Like we need to care what Jill Jones has to say even though the last time she worked with P was like 1990. Notice too that his later collaborators and band members (aside from Judith Hill who I wish would have kept her mouth shut) are for the most part keeping quiet. No gossip, nothing bitchy or being catty on social media. Paisley Park is in your heart
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GoldenParachute said: malbena said: Why talking about Prince then? ...if we don't know him personally. Or anybody at all for that matter. When people decide to go public, they have to realize people "know" them as they appear and express themselves publicly and be prepared for opinions. Precisely. Why then? You answered your own question. [Edited 9/30/16 4:24am] Let's close this website then as nobody can say anything about anyone....Sorry, this would never happen. We have to let people exercise their freedom of speech. Prince gave us a very nice advice on an interview once: "People should stop dictating other people's actions" and I have another advice for whomever doesn't want to hear comments made to other associated artists :"Just ignore the thread or the post" [Edited 9/30/16 5:53am] This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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But I thought you couldn't comment unless you knew them pesronally ... This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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But I thought you couldn't comment unless you knew them pesronally ...  "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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malbena said: GoldenParachute said: Precisely. Why then? You answered your own question. [Edited 9/30/16 4:24am] Let's close this website then as nobody can say anything about anyone....Sorry, this would never happen. We have to let people exercise their freedom of speech. Prince gave us a very nice advice on an interview once: "People should stop dictating other people's actions" and I have another advice for whomever doesn't want to hear comments made to other associated artists :"Just ignore the thread or the post" [Edited 9/30/16 5:53am] Are you 12? Or just that simple? If you READ what I wrote it says you should JUDGE LESS HARSHLY. I did not say you could not have an opinion you cry baby. I suggested that you might want to save the harsh opinions to demonstrate a sense of HUMANITY while people are grieving. | |
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Who is one to tell people what to do and how to express opinions? You want one to judge less harshly yet you have a hard time yourself containing a certain aggressivity when others don't agree with you. This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money. | |
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GoldenParachute said: malbena said: Let's close this website then as nobody can say anything about anyone....Sorry, this would never happen. We have to let people exercise their freedom of speech. Prince gave us a very nice advice on an interview once: "People should stop dictating other people's actions" and I have another advice for whomever doesn't want to hear comments made to other associated artists :"Just ignore the thread or the post" [Edited 9/30/16 5:53am] Are you 12? Or just that simple? If you READ what I wrote it says you should JUDGE LESS HARSHLY. I did not say you could not have an opinion you cry baby. I suggested that you might want to save the harsh opinions to demonstrate a sense of HUMANITY while people are grieving. Are you? (12) Calling peep names & shit. And then u wanna talk about judging less harshly & humanity?! Joker. Easy, calm yourself, ain't the 1st time you've thrown a tantrum round here. "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 | |
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Who is one to tell people what to do and how to express opinions? You want one to judge less harshly yet you have a hard time yourself containing a certain aggressivity when others don't agree with you. I could care less if you throw insults at me. This is not about me or you. I didn't know Prince personally and I am not grieving his death in that way. You are willfully ignorant. My point, (once again for your half-baked logic), is that it's unnecessary to throw insults at others that knew Prince personally while they are grieving. I'm not repeating myself again. If you can't get that through your thick skull then keep being a fool. | |
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