So what did y'all think about the $1 million dollar part?

vuvuzela said:

vuvuzela said:

luvgirl said:

vuvuzela said:

So what did y'all think about the $1 million dollar part?

Where she owed money after the tour u mean?

Yes, and also which tour is she referring to do you think? It seems a little unspecfic in the book as to where it fits in the timeline. Early 90's maybe?

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luvgirl said:

@ vuvuzela She is referring to The Purple Rain Tour. I think it was really Warner Bros. that was trying to pursue the money issue, but Prince wasn't playing Knight in shining armor either, lol. He could have went to bat for her. She didn't have a good contract if she was paying to use the equipment on the tour she was playing in! Damn that was rough... This is her fault of course by not being aware of her own contract and not paying attention to her spending habits, but I'm not gonna be political correct right now in saying that my ego would have been a little bruise if here I was sleeping with my multi millionaire superstar boyfriend and his camp is trying to squeeze a million dollar out of me due to the shady contract deal they swindled me with, knowing that I was kind'a sort'a his girl, lol. That had to hurt... [Edited 7/18/16 21:01pm]

What about her transport and hotel room etc, I thought PRN productions looked after that? Did that also apply to The Time and Vanity 6 when they opened for Prince in 1983?

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luvgirl said:

@ vuvuzela She is referring to The Purple Rain Tour. I think it was really Warner Bros. that was trying to pursue the money issue, but Prince wasn't playing Knight in shining armor either, lol. He could have went to bat for her. She didn't have a good contract if she was paying to use the equipment on the tour she was playing in! Damn that was rough... This is her fault of course by not being aware of her own contract and not paying attention to her spending habits, but I'm not gonna be political correct right now in saying that my ego would have been a little bruise if here I was sleeping with my multi millionaire superstar boyfriend and his camp is trying to squeeze a million dollar out of me due to the shady contract deal they swindled me with, knowing that I was kind'a sort'a his girl, lol. That had to hurt... [Edited 7/18/16 21:01pm]

This.

My ego would have been bruised to say the least...and so would my boyfriend's forehead

luvgirl said:

@ vuvuzela She is referring to The Purple Rain Tour. I think it was really Warner Bros. that was trying to pursue the money issue, but Prince wasn't playing Knight in shining armor either, lol. He could have went to bat for her. She didn't have a good contract if she was paying to use the equipment on the tour she was playing in! Damn that was rough... This is her fault of course by not being aware of her own contract and not paying attention to her spending habits, but I'm not gonna be political correct right now in saying that my ego would have been a little bruise if here I was sleeping with my multi millionaire superstar boyfriend and his camp is trying to squeeze a million dollar out of me due to the shady contract deal they swindled me with, knowing that I was kind'a sort'a his girl, lol. That had to hurt... [Edited 7/18/16 21:01pm]

It was not Prince it was his managment and when he fired his managemet after the Lovesexy tour the same management came after him for fees and commissions. Alan Leeds has said that his managers were shady.

Sheila E also said she did get a outside auditor and did get the debt reduced. She also said that she paid the rest off and I assume that was from working for Prince has his drummer and on his productions so he helped her.

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:

laurarichardson said:

Goddess4Real said:

luvgirl said:

laurarichardson said:

--- She went to work for him as his drummer. Do you think she did that for free? How is that not helping her? She did not have a band to pay anymore and later she lived in his house. Once again how is that not helping? She also said on Entertainment Tonight and said an independent auditor found it was not quiet a million.

Why do u seem like u are getting defensive? All I said was, she didn't mention him helping her out of that specific situation in the book. I'm just going by what the book entailed. Just having a discussion on the book and what she said. Her words not mine. No need to take offense. Didn't mean to upset anyone by having a discussion on a book I didn't write... Did you read the book? ( not saying that as a dig btw) but She did have to pay her band on that tour. Some of them were with her. Again, just discussing what was said in the book. Please don't take offense. [Edited 7/19/16 7:46am]

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I am not taking offense but would it not make sense that her going to be in his band and giving up her band ( which is what happened when she went to play drums for him doing the Sign Of The Times/ Lovesexy tour ) would have helped with her debt? She would have been earning a check instead of generating more debt by keeping her band going. I am just puzzled these days with some of the post on this board. Not offended I guess just puzzled.

luvgirl said:

@ vuvuzela She is referring to The Purple Rain Tour. I think it was really Warner Bros. that was trying to pursue the money issue, but Prince wasn't playing Knight in shining armor either, lol. He could have went to bat for her. She didn't have a good contract if she was paying to use the equipment on the tour she was playing in! Damn that was rough... This is her fault of course by not being aware of her own contract and not paying attention to her spending habits, but I'm not gonna be political correct right now in saying that my ego would have been a little bruise if here I was sleeping with my multi millionaire superstar boyfriend and his camp is trying to squeeze a million dollar out of me due to the shady contract deal they swindled me with, knowing that I was kind'a sort'a his girl, lol. That had to hurt... [Edited 7/18/16 21:01pm]

Ok, good info. That makes sense because she had to have been an act on the tour and just a member of the band for all that debt to occur (right?).

I can't imagine the thoughts that went through her head when she found out...

laurarichardson said:

luvgirl said:

Yes, I mentioned it was the Warner Bros.team not Prince. To be exact, it was actually Prince's account managers. The Beat of My Own Drum pg 240: "So it came as the most dreadful, terrible shock when Prince’s account managers told me that I was a million dollars in debt. “You owe us a lot of money, Sheila,” they said. “How do you want to start paying us back?” In the book Sheila E did not state that Prince helped her in anyway. She actually seemed a little annoyed at Prince with how she worded her comments on the situation. The Beat Of My Own Drum Pg 240: "Prince’s managers were my managers, and yet nobody had advised me separately. I bear full responsibility for the bills I incurred, but I have to say it hurt to think that neither Prince nor his team came off that tour in debt, as I did. When I went through the final accounts for equipment, wardrobe, hairstylists, flights, food, and drink, I realized that they’d made me pay for everything. They even charged me to use sound equipment that was already there. I felt like such a fool." [Edited 7/19/16 5:40am]

--- She went to work for him as his drummer. Do you think she did that for free? How is that not helping her? She did not have a band to pay anymore and later she lived in his house. Once again how is that not helping? She also said on Entertainment Tonight and said an independent auditor found it was not quiet a million.

Wow, good for her for at least getting an independent auditor. After the fact, but I guess its better than just taking everything for word.

luvgirl said:

Goddess4Real said:

What about her transport and hotel room etc, I thought PRN productions looked after that? Did that also apply to The Time and Vanity 6 when they opened for Prince in 1983?

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It says in the book that she had to pay back transportation. She stated herself that she got attached to the wealthy life style and pretty much got whatever kind of car she wanted for transportation and put it on the tab. She wasn't being careful. Not sure if this same situation applied to Vanity 6 and The Time as I'm only going by what Sheila E's book stated and she didn't mention if that same system applied to all his groups. [Edited 7/19/16 10:49am]

This is an interesting point because I'm wondering if she was signed under the Paisley Park label imprint for which Prince would be in charge (?) as her music producer and record executive. Perhaps The Time and Vanity 6 were before the vanity label was established, therefore, although P was the producer, they were signed to WB directly? I really don't know - I'm just wondering if this could be the case.

It really is kinda of lazy that P's managers became her managers by default, but I doubt she would have challenged him at that point in their (sorta) relationship.

Most artists set up an alternative company to pay for tour expenses. Didn't Brenda say that Prince gave his credit card to Vanity to buy Vanity 6 clothes, what they needed etc on the 1999 tour? Can't find the quote, but I am sure the tour debt was billed directly to Prince's reps. Remember the food fight of Cleveland '82? Prince sent the bill for damages to The Time which initially came to him.

vuvuzela said:

laurarichardson said:

ashleypaisley said:

I got the impression from Denise after she found God and would do radio interviews that Prince controlled the money..so he paid for everything, she lived with him and was even in a separate tour bus with him only (not the rest of V6) during the 1999 tour, i don't think she really got ''paid'' which was one of the reasons she left him..if she needed something she would go to him and he would dish out the cash, credit cards, etc. to get her what she needed, along with what V6 needed.

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He was very controlling of Denise and her life..i guess the philosophy was (she said) that the less money she had the less she could do on her own without him..and eventually leave him..which he feared..he was a really jealous man with her.

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With Sheila, thats crazy and really sad she was treated that way!!!!!!!

So does that mean Prince's managers were The Time's and Vanity 6's too?

Goddess4Real said:

So does that mean Prince's managers were The Time's and Vanity 6's too?

Yes, Prince's managers were Vanity 6 as well as the Time's . Only Morris and Vanity had recording contracts with WB. The rest of the people in the group were paid out of his pocket. I always believed this is the reason he kept all the credit for the songs to recoup his expenses.

Some of you need to go do some Googling Vanity talked a lot about her time with Prince right after she left the fold and went to Motown.

One of my fav pics of Sheila E

luvgirl said:

Very nice pic of her. Is that an engagement ring I see on that left hand?? take it easy.. Lol. She said Prince didn't buy her an engagement ring. She said she never really like to wear rings and being that she was a drummer it would have been hard to keep one on anyway. I still felt bad for her though A girl needs a diamond! I would have worn the darn thing around my neck, but gimme my ring! [Edited 7/23/16 18:22pm]

I remember wanting to get blond highlights in my hair because Sheila had them, and wanting Vanity's boots

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