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Ingela said:
jaawwnn said:
In fairness, he's not a nobody, he was also James Brown's manager, and D'Angelo's after Prince. He managed them all at the, or at least a, height of their careers. He also helped put together what is usually considered the definitive boxset on James Brown, Star Time. I don't think anyone in this thread is saying he's responsible for Prince's success, that would be insane, but to say he's responsible for his downfall is more than stretching it.
I think the fact that he's white is something that should be considered, Prince was very concerned with black people owning their own lives and careers. There's definitely a very persuasive argument that the people taking care of the estate should probably be in majority people of color. However, none of this means he shouldn't be involved at all just because he's white or because, god forbid, someone doesn't like that he criticised Prince.
He's got a better claim than Questlove, who is just an uber-fan really.... and i'd personally like Questlove to be involved.
Again, he simply managed them AFTER they had already made it. AFTER they had proven themselves. Being there after the fact is not that big of an achievement. He is a lucky nobody that has been cashing in on the cache of James Brown for a long time. That's been his whole achievement and what has gotten him gigs, his lucky association with JB and his white privelage. We know how much Prince cared for JB, and we know how much DAngelo cares about both JB and Prince, so let's be honest and real here. Enough with the Leed brothers. They've been lucky enough. This needs people with actual talent and love for his work, not just white privelage and luck. Shit, and with Eric, out of nepotism he was GIVEN the opportunity of a lifetime, exposure to a wide audience and a huge shot at the big time. How lucky can a guy get, and he still acted like a douchey big shot who knew better about music than Prince. A little modesty, appreciation and shutting his ass up would have been in order but his white entitlement, smugness and snobbyness always bubbled over. [Edited 6/14/16 9:15am]
Mmm, that's an argument alright. Based on his own testimony he got the job with JB through sheer luck. Do you have any evidence that he was incompetent from then on in though? Have ex-band members complained about him? Other bands he managed? Why didn't prince's career skyrocket in the years after Alan left? Or are you saying that managers mean absolutely nothing, have no impact or contact with the people they manage every day and should be ignored across the board?
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Okay, God forbid if and when your time comes, I hope they appoint somebody you stopped speaking to decades ago and made negative public comments about you in the recent part of your life, to take over your precious items. If that were me, I dont care how qualified that person is, hell to the NO!
So it's not a matter of qualifications, it's about who he was better friends with?? I mean, fair enough, agree to disagree. |
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Ingela said:
jaawwnn said:
In fairness, he's not a nobody, he was also James Brown's manager, and D'Angelo's after Prince. He managed them all at the, or at least a, height of their careers. He also helped put together what is usually considered the definitive boxset on James Brown, Star Time. I don't think anyone in this thread is saying he's responsible for Prince's success, that would be insane, but to say he's responsible for his downfall is more than stretching it.
I think the fact that he's white is something that should be considered, Prince was very concerned with black people owning their own lives and careers. There's definitely a very persuasive argument that the people taking care of the estate should probably be in majority people of color. However, none of this means he shouldn't be involved at all just because he's white or because, god forbid, someone doesn't like that he criticised Prince.
He's got a better claim than Questlove, who is just an uber-fan really.... and i'd personally like Questlove to be involved.
Again, he simply managed them AFTER they had already made it. AFTER they had proven themselves. Being there after the fact is not that big of an achievement. He is a lucky nobody that has been cashing in on the cache of James Brown for a long time. That's been his whole achievement and what has gotten him gigs, his lucky association with JB and his white privelage. We know how much Prince cared for JB, and we know how much DAngelo cares about both JB and Prince, so let's be honest and real here. Enough with the Leed brothers. They've been lucky enough. This needs people with actual talent and love for his work, not just white privelage and luck. Shit, and with Eric, out of nepotism he was GIVEN the opportunity of a lifetime, exposure to a wide audience and a huge shot at the big time. How lucky can a guy get, and he still acted like a douchey big shot who knew better about music than Prince. A little modesty, appreciation and shutting his ass up would have been in order but his white entitlement, smugness and snobbyness always bubbled over. [Edited 6/14/16 9:15am]
Mmm, that's an argument alright. Based on his own testimony he got the job with JB through sheer luck. Do you have any evidence that he was incompetent from then on in though? Have ex-band members complained about him? Other bands he managed? Why didn't prince's career skyrocket in the years after Alan left? Or are you saying that managers mean absolutely nothing, have no impact or contact with the people they manage every day and should be ignored across the board?
[Edited 6/14/16 9:18am] The evidence is that Prince was at his peak, producing the best work of his life and Alan did nothing to move the momentum he already had forward when he took over. It was not difficult to showcase and show the world how bad ass he was, but somehow, against all odds and everything else, he sure did manage to do nothing to advance Princes career. He presided over his downfall when he had everything going for him. Taking such a great talent and seeing him fail while his work was at its best says something about the prowess of a manager. He did nothing to ease the tension with Prince and WB as far as I can see, and he was there when a amazing triple album that Prince desperately wanted and what ultimately tore his relationship with WB apart. I don't know how hard he fought on Princes behalf, especially when he did not really get his music or his greatness. Princes previous managers certainly fought for him, delivering the impossible for him, movie deals etc.
Alan simple watched it all fall apart. That's his claim to fame. Standing there while a great artist fought for his work and was failing. Prince needed to focus on his work and have a manager fight for his work. Prince had to do both. I believe Alan was an ass kisser who probably cared more about his own skin, what WB or anyone else wanted instead of putting all on the line for Prince. Like an actual good manager would. [Edited 6/14/16 9:47am] |
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Okay, God forbid if and when your time comes, I hope they appoint somebody you stopped speaking to decades ago and made negative public comments about you in the recent part of your life, to take over your precious items. If that were me, I dont care how qualified that person is, hell to the NO!
So it's not a matter of qualifications, it's about who he was better friends with?? I mean, fair enough, agree to disagree.
It's a matter of not only looking at it from a fans perspective, but humanizing and putting myself in Prince's shoes. There is something about Alan Leeds that carry this negative vibe and from what I gather and can guess is I just dont think Prince would approve. I find it insulting actually regardless of how much success he had at the time Alan worked for him. I know I would not want that to play out in my after-life if it were me.
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Speaking of actual great managers, I know Steven Fragnoli passed away, but I wonder how Joseph Ruffalo and Bob Cavallo are doing or if they are still with us. I would love to hear what they have to say. We as Prince fans owe them a great debt of gratitude to them. I think they even financed the amazing SOTT film themselves when WB refused. That is a great document we would not have had if it wasn't for them. |
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jaawwnn said:
So it's not a matter of qualifications, it's about who he was better friends with?? I mean, fair enough, agree to disagree.
It's a matter of not only looking at it from a fans perspective, but humanizing and putting myself in Prince's shoes. There is something about Alan Leeds that carry this negative vibe and from what I gather and can guess is I just dont think Prince would approve. I find it insulting actually regardless of how much success he had at the time Alan worked for him. I know I would not want that to play out in my after-life if it were me.
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Agree. Sadly I'm not seeing a lot of respect for Prince or what he may have wanted just like when he was still alive.
It's just another piece of org mythology to say that Leeds is the only person qualified for the project.
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For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course.
He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here.
http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22
...and on this thread regarding a deluxe
http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231
Replies 14, 23 and 52. [Edited 6/14/16 12:47pm] |
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wonder505 said:
It's a matter of not only looking at it from a fans perspective, but humanizing and putting myself in Prince's shoes. There is something about Alan Leeds that carry this negative vibe and from what I gather and can guess is I just dont think Prince would approve. I find it insulting actually regardless of how much success he had at the time Alan worked for him. I know I would not want that to play out in my after-life if it were me.
[Edited 6/14/16 10:12am]
Agree. Sadly I'm not seeing a lot of respect for Prince or what he may have wanted just like when he was still alive.
It's just another piece of org mythology to say that Leeds is the only person qualified for the project.
None of us know what or who he would have wanted to help compile any kind of archival set, stop pretending like we did. I do agree that he's not the only person qualified for the project, although being qualified and what Prince wanted when alive are not exactly the same. editing out the rest, no point in causing fights all over the place
2elijah said:
For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course. He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here. http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22 ...and on this thread regarding a deluxe http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231 Replies 14, 23 and 52. [Edited 6/14/16 12:47pm]
Good find! I'd totally forgotten he'd posted a few times, I remember reading them at the time now.
I'd like to say that it sounds like he left on good terms, rather than being fired after ruining prince's career but sure that's only his perspective, maybe Prince was secretly fuming at him but thankfully people on this thread have access to Prince's thoughts and can say with confidence that every single thing that Prince ever did that they weren't happy about is Alan Leeds fault 
Out of fairness, am I missing some crucial Prince interview where he specifically says what he would want when he dies and that he definitely doesn't want Alan Leeds involved?
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2elijah said: For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course. He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here. http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22 ...and on this thread regarding a deluxe http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231Replies 14, 23 and 52. Yeah of course he posted on behalf on fdeluxe. His lil brother and nepotism more important than Prince in his book. Always more concerned about himself and his brother than the person he was PAID to have his back. Questlove is the man. Is a musician, loves and respects Princes music and actually understands the music. He taught a Prince course for gods sake. The Leeds bros need to disappear. |
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The Leeds bros need to disappear.
I'm glad you have zero control over that. I like that peole here act like tehy had any say or onsight into Princes world, more so than the people who actually did. It's kind of sad.
Seems alike a lot of that going on right about now. |
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Ingela said:
The Leeds bros need to disappear.
I'm glad you have zero control over that. I like that peole here act like tehy had any say or onsight into Princes world, more so than the people who actually did. It's kind of sad.
Seems alike a lot of that going on right about now. And your blind devotion to Alan because what...he's white or what? There are a lot of people with insight into Prince. Ones who actually understood and appreciated his music. That blind devotion is what's sad. |
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I do not know anything about Prince's thoughts but yeah....no. 
Jill Jones Thoughts About Alan Leeds Critique Of Prince On SNL
http://prince.org/msg/5/412067
Prince is no Alice Smith-Alan Leeds
https://www.facebook.com/housequakecom/posts/710431925707201:0
http://prince.org/msg/7/395453?&pg=3
I always wrestle with whether to post here because invariably there are those who choose to make my words mean what they would like them to mean. That some even infer it is somehow “beneath” me to participate,annoys me even more. Fact is I post for the same reason as most of you…….an interest in and personal relevance to Prince and/or his music. Just want to set the record straight on a few things. I do not claim to be “close” to Prince –haven’t had two words with the man in many years. I left his employ on good terms. I care about him. But we are all humans and humans sometimes say and do things others find disagreeable. When a celebrity says or does something,whether Prince likes it or not, it goes into the public domain for discussion.But to disagree or become annoyed does NOT have to suggest any hidden agendas or sour grapes. Secondly, he had every right to not attend the Carnegie Hall tribute. But I don't care if he hates hearing his music played by others or is uncomfortable with some of the lyrics, the bigger issue is it was a charity event for a good cause and the night's only other purpose was to show him love. I just think it's sad when he can't simply tuck away his personal issues and humbly accept the tribute in the spirit it was intended. That's called growing up (for those of you who didn't like my crack at the seminar). Thirdly, I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role. But don’t rush to Barnes & Noble yet, there are a ton of projects above it on my list, lol. May the project live to see the dawn!
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Jawann said: Good find! I'd totally forgotten he'd posted a few times, I remember reading them at the time now. I'd like to say that it sounds like he left on good terms, rather than being fired after ruining prince's career but sure that's only his perspective, maybe Prince was secretly fuming at him but thankfully people on this thread have access to Prince's thoughts and can say with confidence that every single thing that Prince ever did that they weren't happy about is Alan Leeds fault Out of fairness, am I missing some crucial Prince interview where he specifically says what he would want when he dies and that he definitely doesn't want Alan Leeds involved?
[Edited 6/14/16 13:40pm] Jawan I think you posted part of my post in another orger's post, while responding to mine, but anyway I wouldn't know as I'm not sure Alan and Prince were even speaking/communicating at the time. Doesn't sound like they were around the time Alan posted those comments. |
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wonder505 said:
It's a matter of not only looking at it from a fans perspective, but humanizing and putting myself in Prince's shoes. There is something about Alan Leeds that carry this negative vibe and from what I gather and can guess is I just dont think Prince would approve. I find it insulting actually regardless of how much success he had at the time Alan worked for him. I know I would not want that to play out in my after-life if it were me.
[Edited 6/14/16 10:12am]
Agree. Sadly I'm not seeing a lot of respect for Prince or what he may have wanted just like when he was still alive.
It's just another piece of org mythology to say that Leeds is the only person qualified for the project.
Jawann said:
None of us know what or who he would have wanted to help compile any kind of archival set, stop pretending like we did. I do agree that he's not the only person qualified for the project, although being qualified and what Prince wanted when alive are not exactly the same. editing out the rest, no point in causing fights all over the place
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I said what Prince "may have" wanted......MAY HAVE!
The reason I said that is because other than Wonder505 I haven't seen one person show any respect for Prince and take into consideration that somebody might know how he felt even if we don't. It is always about fan's selfishness and what they want to happen. Same as when he was alive. We have absolutely, NO right to appoint a "go to" person in this situation.
We may not have proof but it sure as hell is worth considering their relationship with regard to Leeds being placed in charge of anything.
No one is saying he should not participate at all, so stop pretending like we did. He is perfectly welcome to contribute what he has first hand knowledge of minus the digs he likes to take at Prince occasionally.
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2elijah said: Jawann said: Good find! I'd totally forgotten he'd posted a few times, I remember reading them at the time now. I'd like to say that it sounds like he left on good terms, rather than being fired after ruining prince's career but sure that's only his perspective, maybe Prince was secretly fuming at him but thankfully people on this thread have access to Prince's thoughts and can say with confidence that every single thing that Prince ever did that they weren't happy about is Alan Leeds fault Out of fairness, am I missing some crucial Prince interview where he specifically says what he would want when he dies and that he definitely doesn't want Alan Leeds involved?
[Edited 6/14/16 13:40pm] Jawan I think you posted part of my post in another orger's post, while responding to mine, but anyway I wouldn't know as I'm not sure Alan and Prince were even speaking/communicating at the time. Doesn't sound like they were around the time Alan posted those comments. I was kind of taking your post and running with it! What I infer from the posts, hell he pretty much says it, is that he's not working with Prince and hadn't in a long time but there was no falling out that prompted this. People move on. Prince wasn't known to just hang out with people from his past so I see no subtext of a fight in there. |
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babynoz said: Reply #97 posted 06/14/16 1:01pm
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wonder505 said:
It's a matter of not only looking at it from a fans perspective, but humanizing and putting myself in Prince's shoes. There is something about Alan Leeds that carry this negative vibe and from what I gather and can guess is I just dont think Prince would approve. I find it insulting actually regardless of how much success he had at the time Alan worked for him. I know I would not want that to play out in my after-life if it were me.
[Edited 6/14/16 10:12am]
Agree. Sadly I'm not seeing a lot of respect for Prince or what he may have wanted just like when he was still alive.
It's just another piece of org mythology to say that Leeds is the only person qualified for the project.
Jawann said:
None of us know what or who he would have wanted to help compile any kind of archival set, stop pretending like we did. I do agree that he's not the only person qualified for the project, although being qualified and what Prince wanted when alive are not exactly the same. editing out the rest, no point in causing fights all over the place
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I said what Prince "may have" wanted.....MAY HAVE!
The reason I said that is because other than Wonder505 I haven't seen one person show any respect for Prince and take into consideration that somebody might know how he felt even if we don't. It is always about fan's selfishness and what they want to happen. Same as when he was alive. We have absolutely, NO right to appoint a "go to" person in this situation.
We may not have proof but it sure as hell is worth considering their relationship with regard to Leeds being placed in charge of anything.
No one is saying he should not participate at all, so stop pretending like we did. He is perfectly welcome to contribute whaI he has first hand knowledge of minus the digs he likes to take at Prince occasionally.
Okay fair enough. Tell you what though, my biggest fear, aside from nothing at all coming out, is that we end up with MJ style, uncritical, everything he ever wrote is a gift from God, sleevenotes by KCOOL releases. Dude was talented enough to handle criticism, it would be an insult to his memory IMHO to act like he was faultless. I'm terrified no one involved will be able to say no to some stuff like "prince as an angel" artwork or something. [Edited 6/14/16 14:27pm] |
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jaawwnn said: 2elijah said:
Jawan I think you posted part of my post in another orger's post, while responding to mine, but anyway I wouldn't know as I'm not sure Alan and Prince were even speaking/communicating at the time. Doesn't sound like they were around the time Alan posted those comments.
I was kind of taking your post and running with it! What I infer from the posts, hell he pretty much says it, is that he's not working with Prince and hadn't in a long time but there was no falling out that prompted this. People move on. Prince wasn't known to just hang out with people from his past so I see no subtext of a fight in there. Cool, at the end of the day, it will apparently be decided by whomever is in charge of his estate, including, maybe even some family members. With all the musicians/engineers he has worked with over the years, it will probably be a handful of them chosen. I can't see just one person handling the load. So all fans can do is just wait to see what happens. [Edited 6/14/16 14:37pm] |
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babynoz said:
None of us know what or who he would have wanted to help compile any kind of archival set, stop pretending like we did. I do agree that he's not the only person qualified for the project, although being qualified and what Prince wanted when alive are not exactly the same. editing out the rest, no point in causing fights all over the place
2elijah said:
For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course. He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here. http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22 ...and on this thread regarding a deluxe http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231 Replies 14, 23 and 52. [Edited 6/14/16 12:47pm]
Good find! I'd totally forgotten he'd posted a few times, I remember reading them at the time now.
I'd like to say that it sounds like he left on good terms, rather than being fired after ruining prince's career but sure that's only his perspective, maybe Prince was secretly fuming at him but thankfully people on this thread have access to Prince's thoughts and can say with confidence that every single thing that Prince ever did that they weren't happy about is Alan Leeds fault
Out of fairness, am I missing some crucial Prince interview where he specifically says what he would want when he dies and that he definitely doesn't want Alan Leeds involved?
[Edited 6/14/16 13:46pm]
I think you are trying to be fair about it and I appreciate that. Out of fairness I could ask the OP the same question. We have no evidence that it was Prince's wish to have Leeds in charge either, which is what the OP wants. None of us has an actual right to impose our wishes here but since he went there the rest of us are just giving feedback on his idea, that's all.
Again, that does not mean that Prince didn't speak to anyone about it. 90 percent of what Prince has said is not public, I'm sure. I already said above that Jimmy Jam claimed to have spoken to Prince about it. It was posted here in a thread after Prince passed. Whether you believe him or not is on you. 
http://prince.org/msg/7/423746
http://prince.org/msg/7/423746
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babynoz said:
Reply #97 posted 06/14/16 1:01pm
I said what Prince "may have" wanted......MAY HAVE!
The reason I said that is because other than Wonder505 I haven't seen one person show any respect for Prince and take into consideration that somebody might know how he felt even if we don't. It is always about fan's selfishness and what they want to happen. Same as when he was alive. We have absolutely, NO right to appoint a "go to" person in this situation.
We may not have proof but it sure as hell is worth considering their relationship with regard to Leeds being placed in charge of anything.
No one is saying he should not participate at all, so stop pretending like we did. He is perfectly welcome to contribute whaI he has first hand knowledge of minus the digs he likes to take at Prince occasionally.
Okay fair enough. Tell you what though, my biggest fear, aside from nothing at all coming out, is that we end up with MJ style, uncritical, everything he ever wrote is a gift from God, sleevenotes by KCOOL releases. Dude was talented enough to handle criticism, it would be an insult to his memory IMHO to act like he was faultless. I'm terrified no one involved will be able to say no to some stuff like "prince as an angel" artwork or something. [Edited 6/14/16 14:27pm]
Okay, that was a good one....
Seriously though, I think we have similar concerns about objectivity but I do believe somebody out there must have some idea of what Prince thought should happen and I would hate to see that get lost in the scramble because I'm primarily interested in how he himself envisioned his work. I do not trust many people to keep that in mind.
I don't think we are in any danger of anyone getting control who will just throw any and everything out there to see what sticks though.
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babynoz said:
jaawwnn said:
babynoz said:
None of us know what or who he would have wanted to help compile any kind of archival set, stop pretending like we did. I do agree that he's not the only person qualified for the project, although being qualified and what Prince wanted when alive are not exactly the same. editing out the rest, no point in causing fights all over the place
2elijah said:
For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course. He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here. http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22 ...and on this thread regarding a deluxe http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231 Replies 14, 23 and 52. [Edited 6/14/16 12:47pm]
Good find! I'd totally forgotten he'd posted a few times, I remember reading them at the time now.
I'd like to say that it sounds like he left on good terms, rather than being fired after ruining prince's career but sure that's only his perspective, maybe Prince was secretly fuming at him but thankfully people on this thread have access to Prince's thoughts and can say with confidence that every single thing that Prince ever did that they weren't happy about is Alan Leeds fault
Out of fairness, am I missing some crucial Prince interview where he specifically says what he would want when he dies and that he definitely doesn't want Alan Leeds involved?
[Edited 6/14/16 13:46pm]
I think you are trying to be fair about it and I appreciate that. Out of fairness I could ask the OP the same question. We have no evidence that it was Prince's wish to have Leeds in charge either, which is what the OP wants. None of us has an actual right to impose our wishes here but since he went there the rest of us are just giving feedback on his idea, that's all.
Again, that does not mean that Prince didn't speak to anyone about it. 90 percent of what Prince has said is not public, I'm sure. I already said above that Jimmy Jam claimed to have spoken to Prince about it. It was posted here in a thread after Prince passed. Whether you believe him or not is on you.
http://prince.org/msg/7/423746
http://prince.org/msg/7/423746
All true. I guess the OP is coming from a place of fear that his legacy won't be respected (Let's Go Crazy 2017, duet with Bieber, guest rap by Kanye) and Alan Leeds has in the past come across as someone who is level headed about Prince, willing to both praise and criticize, and who wouldn't just treat the vault as a cash cow. I would agree with this. I would also agree that there are other very valid nominees who could and should.be involved as well. Jimmy Jam would be one IMHO BUT I fear what he means by "produce" the vault. I don't think any of us want additional musical production on P's work. As for Prince's wishes, in all honesty I'd need some serious convincing if someone claimed to know what they were, my impression was always that he was more interested in the next song. |
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jaawwnn said:
babynoz said: Okay fair enough. Tell you what though, my biggest fear, aside from nothing at all coming out, is that we end up with MJ style, uncritical, everything he ever wrote is a gift from God, sleevenotes by KCOOL releases. Dude was talented enough to handle criticism, it would be an insult to his memory IMHO to act like he was faultless. I'm terrified no one involved will be able to say no to some stuff like "prince as an angel" artwork or something. [Edited 6/14/16 14:27pm]
Okay, that was a good one....
Seriously though, I think we have similar concerns about objectivity but I do believe somebody out there must have some idea of what Prince thought should happen and I would hate to see that get lost in the scramble because I'm primarily interested in how he himself envisioned his work. I do not trust many people to keep that in mind.
I don't think we are in any danger of anyone getting control who will just throw any and everything out there to see what sticks though.
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Ingela said: 2elijah said: For some of you regulars... remember when Alan posted on here regarding that webcast, when Toure, Quest and Alan were on there discussing Prince? Alan posted a comment on the Org back then. He doesn't seem to hold back on his opinions. Kind of gives you a snippet about his feelings and relationship with and of Prince as a musician. You be the judge of it of course. He also had posted previous comments on the Org ack in 2011. It was surprising that he posted here. http://prince.org/msg/7/395453 Reply #22 ...and on this thread regarding a deluxe http://prince.org/msg/5/3...sg_8053231Replies 14, 23 and 52. Yeah of course he posted on behalf on fdeluxe. His lil brother and nepotism more important than Prince in his book. Always more concerned about himself and his brother than the person he was PAID to have his back. Questlove is the man. Is a musician, loves and respects Princes music and actually understands the music. He taught a Prince course for gods sake. The Leeds bros need to disappear. I could see Quest as part of the team, but he is also friends with Leeds, so I wonder how that would play out if Quest was chosen and not Leeds, if it is decided a committee of musicians/engineers or other experts in the field are picked to oversee Prince's vault music. I also wonder if any, former band members will come forward requesting some form of payment, for any music from the vault, that they may have worked on/co-wrote with Prince? There was already some guy, soon after Prince passed, claiming he wrote some music with Prince and was trying to get paid. So all this remains to be seen. |
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2elijah said: Ingela said:
Yeah of course he posted on behalf on fdeluxe. His lil brother and nepotism more important than Prince in his book. Always more concerned about himself and his brother than the person he was PAID to have his back.
Questlove is the man. Is a musician, loves and respects Princes music and actually understands the music. He taught a Prince course for gods sake.
The Leeds bros need to disappear.
I could see Quest as part of the team, but he is also friends with Leeds, so I wonder how that would play out if Quest was chosen and not Leeds, if it is decided a committee of musicians/engineers or other experts in the field are picked to oversee Prince's vault music. I also wonder if any, former band members will come forward requesting some form of payment, for any music from the vault, that they may have worked on/co-wrote with Prince? There was already some guy, soon after Prince passed, claiming he wrote some music with Prince and was trying to get paid. So all this remains to be seen. Quest is a good guy. I see him being friends with Alan and with everyone. And I can get with the inclusive vibe that has bubbled up. As long as the most people have a say and not laid on Alan's lap is fine with me. |
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Alan on writing a Prince book: "I have no intentions of writing a "Prince book". I am not comfortable speaking for someone else and since Prince has no interest in honestly and openly explaining himself, what would be the point of me just adding to the tons of speculation about him. On the other hand, I am perfectly comfortablewriting about MY life……….which obviously includes ten years in which Prince played a major role."
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I think the same could be said for putting Alan in charge of the Vault. It would be more about himself than about Prince. The wooh is on the one! |
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God, I hope Alan doesn't actually read this thread. When he says he's not able to speak on Prince's behalf he's still getting in trouble, imagine he said the opposite?? |
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jaawwnn said:[quote] God, I hope Alan doesn't actually read this thread. When he says he's not able to speak on Prince's behalf he's still getting in trouble, imagine he said the opposite?? [/quote Believe me they read the stuff here. People on here are in their camp. The buffoon who supposedly was the manager for fdeluxe and posted on their behalf sent me a nasty org note telling me he was getting updates of what I was posting. I obviously touched a nerve. He and Alan needed to be put in their place as Prince obviously couldn't post on his behalf and they thought they could forward their narrative without getting put in their place because folks would fawn over them. And sure enough some others fawned over them without seeing what was going on. Funny how easily people blindly go along when thinking the are special. |
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Ingela said:
Believe me they read the stuff here. People on here are in their camp. The buffoon who supposedly was the manager for fdeluxe and posted on their behalf sent me a nasty org note telling me he was getting updates of what I was posting. I obviously touched a nerve. He and Alan needed to be put in their place as Prince obviously couldn't post on his behalf and they thought they could forward their narrative without getting put in their place because folks would fawn over them.
And sure enough some others fawned over them without seeing what was going on. Funny how easily people blindly go along when thinking the are special
You shouldn't let that stop you from voicing your opinion. Not everyone will agree which former Prince associate/band member or employee should be involved in handling Prince's vault music. [Edited 6/15/16 16:50pm] |
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Ingela said:
Zannaloaf said:
I'm glad you have zero control over that. I like that peole here act like tehy had any say or onsight into Princes world, more so than the people who actually did. It's kind of sad.
Seems alike a lot of that going on right about now.
And your blind devotion to Alan because what...he's white or what? There are a lot of people with insight into Prince. Ones who actually understood and appreciated his music. That blind devotion is what's sad.
what does his skin color have to do with anything?
Or is that just YOUR problem?
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Ingela said:
jaawwnn said:
God, I hope Alan doesn't actually read this thread. When he says he's not able to speak on Prince's behalf he's still getting in trouble, imagine he said the opposite??
[/quote Believe me they read the stuff here. People on here are in their camp. The buffoon who supposedly was the manager for fdeluxe and posted on their behalf sent me a nasty org note telling me he was getting updates of what I was posting. I obviously touched a nerve. He and Alan needed to be put in their place as Prince obviously couldn't post on his behalf and they thought they could forward their narrative without getting put in their place because folks would fawn over them. And sure enough some others fawned over them without seeing what was going on. Funny how easily people blindly go along when thinking the are special.
and who are YOU again?
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Ingela |
Zannaloaf said:
Ingela said:
jaawwnn said:
God, I hope Alan doesn't actually read this thread. When he says he's not able to speak on Prince's behalf he's still getting in trouble, imagine he said the opposite??
[/quote Believe me they read the stuff here. People on here are in their camp. The buffoon who supposedly was the manager for fdeluxe and posted on their behalf sent me a nasty org note telling me he was getting updates of what I was posting. I obviously touched a nerve. He and Alan needed to be put in their place as Prince obviously couldn't post on his behalf and they thought they could forward their narrative without getting put in their place because folks would fawn over them. And sure enough some others fawned over them without seeing what was going on. Funny how easily people blindly go along when thinking the are special.
and who are YOU again?
And you were there and are always there defending Fdeluxe, i take it you have connections to them. You are fervent about them.
So who are YOU again? [Edited 6/16/16 15:55pm] |
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