SunnyGirl8 said:

beachy said:

yeah and I personally am like that as well. So I get it. Doesn't mean I havent fallen in love and tried to fashion a nontraditional relationship that would work for me, and maybe he was trying to do that too.

Honestly, the more I look at this whole thread and differing opinions on here it leads to one clear conclusion, if you really you want to get to the bottom of what he felt and thought, look at what he's writing and singing about. He's telling you what he thinks. And he's telling you in a really clever way with all these layered nuances of symbolism and language. He totally exploits every art form he touches to give you a full multi-dimensional story. And he was a master at conveying his emotions and feelings through music. Why do you think that all of you feel so much for him? It's not just about how he looked.

But hey if you'd rather argue about trivialities to do with the wash of information and buzz that surrounds him, go ahead. But it's not where the truth lies.

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I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.

30yearfan said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Honestly, the more I look at this whole thread and differing opinions on here it leads to one clear conclusion, if you really you want to get to the bottom of what he felt and thought, look at what he's writing and singing about. He's telling you what he thinks. And he's telling you in a really clever way with all these layered nuances of symbolism and language. He totally exploits every art form he touches to give you a full multi-dimensional story. And he was a master at conveying his emotions and feelings through music. Why do you think that all of you feel so much for him? It's not just about how he looked.

But hey if you'd rather argue about trivialities to do with the wash of information and buzz that surrounds him, go ahead. But it's not where the truth lies.

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I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.

That is one reason this thread has been so much fun for me. I have learned so much and now some songs mean something diff than they did before. I have to thank all for all the tidbits you have shared - I cannot wait for more. I always think there are those lurking who know lots but are mum . . . but as time passes maybe they will share even more than we have now

30yearfan said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Honestly, the more I look at this whole thread and differing opinions on here it leads to one clear conclusion, if you really you want to get to the bottom of what he felt and thought, look at what he's writing and singing about. He's telling you what he thinks. And he's telling you in a really clever way with all these layered nuances of symbolism and language. He totally exploits every art form he touches to give you a full multi-dimensional story. And he was a master at conveying his emotions and feelings through music. Why do you think that all of you feel so much for him? It's not just about how he looked.

But hey if you'd rather argue about trivialities to do with the wash of information and buzz that surrounds him, go ahead. But it's not where the truth lies.

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[Edited 5/28/16 13:53pm]

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I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.

I totally agree and what makes it even a little difficult to understand (but what must be acknowledged) is that some details don't add up. That's because first he wanted to not be too obvious that he was speaking to her, because that was for her ears only. But also that these are still commercial pop love songs. They have to speak to a broad demographic, and the universal condition. As he said when describing The Beautiful Ones, Vanity was leaving (thereby giving him the inspiration for the song) but the movie scene demanded he talk about another man in her life. Actually I think he was lying. Vanity DID have another man in her life, perhaps several. Maybe that was also part of an ultimatum he gave her, who knows? Either way, the movie plot still demanded it.

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30yearfan said:

Vashtix said:

I think I am ready to finally listen to the Melbourne concert that is being discussed with him saying "Denise, Denise . . . ."

Please tell me how can I hear it? Can someone share it ?

Thanks

Nothing followed. He was about to leap into the Blondie song but changed his mind at the last moment

Tribute to Prince and Vanity in Minneapolis on May 24; I guess there will be more tributes combined due to the way they lived and died - I am late so if this was already posted exuse me

https://www.facebook.com/sarasavoy/posts/10208129390966260

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Paxi said:

pnv

when Prince passed that was the first thing - no coincidence they passed close together

Ohh me too, it was shocking and sad and...seemed right in a very beautiful and strange way.

No, not a coincidence, it was too soon after she departed. It might've even been two months to the day (on April 15th), had the plane not made the emergency landing on time.

Reading Paxi's story again I'm struck by Denise repeating over and over "Jesus is God". Because JW do not believe that. Why did Prince pick the one Christian sect that did not believe this??

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beachy said:

Reading Paxi's story again I'm struck by Denise repeating over and over "Jesus is God". Because JW do not believe that. Why did Prince pick the one Christian sect that did not believe this??

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Now that beachy is the million dollar question

WHHHHHHHHHHHY

To have one up on her always!!!!

Jesus is God!

No he's not!

Yes he is, Jesus IS GOD!

Uhhhh nooooo, no he's not!

Can you imagine?

.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy said:

Reading Paxi's story again I'm struck by Denise repeating over and over "Jesus is God". Because JW do not believe that. Why did Prince pick the one Christian sect that did not believe this??

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Now that beachy is the million dollar question

WHHHHHHHHHHHY

Because if they took their teachings literally, their ideas of the afterlife would have excluded each other from heaven!

GeniusLuv said:

To have one up on her always!!!!

Jesus is God!

No he's not!

Yes he is, Jesus IS GOD!

Uhhhh nooooo, no he's not!

Can you imagine?

.

Oky, seriously..i think he didn't want to do what she did 100%.....

Yes, he joined a religion (i believe he felt good about it..needed something he was missin in life) studied it, found peace with it, became uh-hum celibate just the way Denise did BUT he didn't want to follow her completely down that road because (i feel) he was still feeling bad, sad, alittle mad..even rejected (pick one or all of the above) by her, still..even after all these years he was thinkin...i ain't gonna chase you anymore..i ain't goin to her..she can come to me but I AIN'T goin to her side

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It's just my feeelin'

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beachy said:

Reading Paxi's story again I'm struck by Denise repeating over and over "Jesus is God". Because JW do not believe that. Why did Prince pick the one Christian sect that did not believe this??

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Well if you go by Prince's own words in the lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014, when asked why his new music was more sexual then it had been he stated that his views on his faith had expanded. He talked about celibacy and compared it to fasting. He said after you fast for four days the hunger goes away. He said celibacy was the same way. Fasting is not something that most JW participate in. At least they are not known for the practice, most traditional Christians who fast do so to get closer to the Holy Spirit which I'm not sure JW's believe in. He also spoke in the interview about instantly forgiving the way Christ did. Two other things of note is the song that he recorded last year and released on Christian radio last year called What If. The lyrics speak for themselves. The other thing is his close relationship with Josh and Hannah who are more traditional Christians.

GeniusLuv said:

To have one up on her always!!!!

Jesus is God!

No he's not!

Yes he is, Jesus IS GOD!

Uhhhh nooooo, no he's not!

Can you imagine?

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you know I was thinking the exact same thing. Prince was a top. But Vanity was not a bottom.

30yearfan said:

beachy said:

Reading Paxi's story again I'm struck by Denise repeating over and over "Jesus is God". Because JW do not believe that. Why did Prince pick the one Christian sect that did not believe this??

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Well if you go by Prince's own words in the lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014, when asked why his new music was more sexual then it had been he stated that his views on his faith had expanded. He talked about celibacy and compared it to fasting. He said after you fast for four days the hunger goes away. He said celibacy was the same way. Fasting is not something that most JW participate in. At least they are not known for the practice, most traditional Christians who fast do so to get closer to the Holy Spirit which I'm not sure JW's believe in. He also spoke in the interview about instantly forgiving the way Christ did. Two other things of note is the song that he recorded last year and released on Christian radio last year called What If. The lyrics speak for themselves. The other thing is his close relationship with Josh and Hannah who are more traditional Christians.

Another thing, during the Oakland 2-28-2016 Piano & a Microphone show when he sang I would die 4 U he stated, the bible says he's the messiah and your the reason why. He sang that part so sincerely and heartfelt. There were some rumors that he went back to his more traditional faith during the later years of his life.

GeniusLuv said:

Oky, seriously..i think he didn't want to do what she did 100%.....

Yes, he joined a religion (i believe he felt good about it..needed something he was missin in life) studied it, found peace with it, became uh-hum celibate just the way Denise did BUT he didn't want to follow her completely down that road because (i feel) he was still feeling bad, sad, alittle mad..even rejected (pick one or all of the above) by her, still..even after all these years he was thinkin...i ain't gonna chase you anymore..i ain't goin to her..she can come to me but I AIN'T goin to her side

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It's just my feeelin'

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LOL I believe these are the EXACT SAME WORDS that went through his mind too!

30yearfan said:

30yearfan said:

Well if you go by Prince's own words in the lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014, when asked why his new music was more sexual then it had been he stated that his views on his faith had expanded. He talked about celibacy and compared it to fasting. He said after you fast for four days the hunger goes away. He said celibacy was the same way. Fasting is not something that most JW participate in. At least they are not known for the practice, most traditional Christians who fast do so to get closer to the Holy Spirit which I'm not sure JW's believe in. He also spoke in the interview about instantly forgiving the way Christ did. Two other things of note is the song that he recorded last year and released on Christian radio last year called What If. The lyrics speak for themselves. The other thing is his close relationship with Josh and Hannah who are more traditional Christians.

Another thing, during the Oakland 2-28-2016 Piano & a Microphone show when he sang I would die 4 U he stated, the bible says he's the messiah and your the reason why. He sang that part so sincerely and heartfelt. There were some rumors that he went back to his more traditional faith during the later years of his life.

good catch 30year!!!! if you have more details, please spill! you're good!

I'm reading Draper's book on Prince now and ugh, the stuff Denise put up with on tour. I'm just glad she got her own back by going off with Adam Ant instead of Prince in New York. I might take a photo and post a paragraph.

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I'm starting to think if she hadn't needed the money she woulda been out of there earlier. Maybe that's why Prince was such a cheapskate. She told Donnie Simpson she had to do what he told her or she wouldn't get paid lol.

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30yearfan said:

30yearfan said:

Well if you go by Prince's own words in the lost Rolling Stone interview from 2014, when asked why his new music was more sexual then it had been he stated that his views on his faith had expanded. He talked about celibacy and compared it to fasting. He said after you fast for four days the hunger goes away. He said celibacy was the same way. Fasting is not something that most JW participate in. At least they are not known for the practice, most traditional Christians who fast do so to get closer to the Holy Spirit which I'm not sure JW's believe in. He also spoke in the interview about instantly forgiving the way Christ did. Two other things of note is the song that he recorded last year and released on Christian radio last year called What If. The lyrics speak for themselves. The other thing is his close relationship with Josh and Hannah who are more traditional Christians.

Another thing, during the Oakland 2-28-2016 Piano & a Microphone show when he sang I would die 4 U he stated, the bible says he's the messiah and your the reason why. He sang that part so sincerely and heartfelt. There were some rumors that he went back to his more traditional faith during the later years of his life.

Yes, JW do not fast. The celibacy thing with him has been wierd to me, and maybe it's because I couldn't picture him doing that.

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When I read about his opinion on instantly forgiving, right away, I thought about Denise. THAT was a HUGE message that she was preaching a lot in the last couple of preaching videos (most recent one- was 2014). Hmmmm.... definitely interesting.

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When talks about faith in that interview, it almost seems more Christian than JW. Wasn't he raised Christian?

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said:

I completely agree with what you are saying here. I think people who look at his music on the surface only are doing themselves an injustice. There are so many layers and levels to his music. This man was a musical genius. Why even bother to follow an artist of his calibre if you aren't willing to be open to the fact that there was more to him than met the eye. We are trying to show people different things that we have discovered in his music. It's like finding little gifts that he left for us. I have picked up on a lot of things in his music but through this thread I am learning many things that I did not already know.

I'm there too. This thread has made take a look at Prince's music in a way I never have before. Until coming here, I was a "hits fan". Of course, the sexual component of his music was always evident and obvious. However, the spiritual and the emotional I never thought about. So I have grown as fan in the last few weeks. . SunnyGirl8, so far Art Official Age is my favorite of his newer albums. I'm still working through Tidido. "Home", from Lotus Flow3r, lyrics are interesting. I'm trying to figure out what's the deal with the references to pharaohs, and things Egypt. "Way Back Home" is what I call an onion. Lots of layers there in one. Home could be Heavenly home or someone's heart, as in the cliche- home is where the heart is, but also the heart is home. Lots to look at that there. [Edited 5/28/16 16:35pm]

That's another loose end we need to investigate, the Egypt connection

beachy said:

I'm reading Draper's book on Prince now and ugh, the stuff Denise put up with on tour. I'm just glad she got her own back by going off with Adam Ant instead of Prince in New York. I might take a photo and post a paragraph.

.

I'm starting to think if she hadn't needed the money she woulda been out of there earlier. Maybe that's why Prince was such a cheapskate. She told Donnie Simpson she had to do what he told her or she wouldn't get paid lol.

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Please post it for us!

Prince grew up in the Seventh Day Adventist Church and I am not familiar with their beliefs.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said: I'm there too. This thread has made take a look at Prince's music in a way I never have before. Until coming here, I was a "hits fan". Of course, the sexual component of his music was always evident and obvious. However, the spiritual and the emotional I never thought about. So I have grown as fan in the last few weeks. . SunnyGirl8, so far Art Official Age is my favorite of his newer albums. I'm still working through Tidido. "Home", from Lotus Flow3r, lyrics are interesting. I'm trying to figure out what's the deal with the references to pharaohs, and things Egypt. "Way Back Home" is what I call an onion. Lots of layers there in one. Home could be Heavenly home or someone's heart, as in the cliche- home is where the heart is, but also the heart is home. Lots to look at that there. [Edited 5/28/16 16:35pm]

That's another loose end we need to investigate, the Egypt connection

Definitely. Maybe "Samuelle" is Egyptian too? Sorry I couldn't resist!

Here is the info: 7th Day Adventist from wikipedia

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They are a version of the Protestant Religion.

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https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church

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From what I can tell, and this makes both JW and 7DA different from mainstream Christian beliefs, is that they both believe that when you die you are in some kind of unconscious state, rather than a conscious spirit in heaven for instance. JW believe there is no hell, and God will only resurrect the 144,000 souls spoken of in Revelation. The 7DA believe the Advent is imminent, when Christ returns and establishes his kingdom on earth.

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So I only bring it up because if Prince believed these doctrines, he would not be thinking he would be joining Vanity when he died. At least not for a long time. after he was ressurected and assuming she slipped into the chosen category somehow.