beachy said:

cng89 said:

cng89 said:

During the 80s all the main women around Prince were strong. Cat. Vanity, Sheila, Susannah, Kim.

From 1990 they were young and moldable.

I think he changed. First, UTCM and GB were failures. Second, he discovered he didn't own his masters and got into a war with WB. Third, music taste changed to hip hop / rap which to me is already much less for strong women, almost misogynistic some would say. To some extent he followed that trend. To go from Lovesexy tour to Nude tour, if you watch them, says alot.

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I personally don't think Vanity and Prince had contact lately, or if they did it was bittersweet romance or firm and maybe awkward friendship. I think her death brought the latent feelings of how much he loved her to the surface. And that is what we saw in the P&M concerts. I think he believed they would be together again in the next life, and I believe it too. they had some kind of 'deal' to work through in this life, which as we now know, is a kind of 'Parade.'

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The only loose end I personally have now is the secret he was going to reveal in GB.

beachy said:

A secret in "Graffitti Bridge"? Don't leave us hanging!!..do tell!

SPYZFAN1 said:

You may be right about the "brother-sister" term. P (in later years) did say she was like a sister to him. I guess in the 80's their on and off romance was a little more alive. And she always seemed to be his musical equal to me. But we all know Vanity and Sheia were strong minded and they weren't going to take a whole lot of mess from our man.

S.E. was definitely his music soul-mate! She was his equal for sure. I think in the 80s they had a connection but I'm not sure if it was 100% romantic. It was deep and it was up until the day he passed. S.E. and Vanity just didn't have a the patience to put up with the things Prince threw at them. I love them for being that strong.

Me too! And I think he loved them for that also..(even though he probably wouldn't have admitted it)...lol.

cardinal said:

cng89 said:

For someone who says he doesn't look back at the past, his actions sure said otherwise. I wish somewhere along the way Prince could have really thought about just living life. I know music was him, he was music but I also look at these legend both past and present and see that they are not looking to be relevent anymore. They have already put in their work and cemented their legacy so they don't give a damn about creating anymore. He was PRINCE! He didn't need to fight for the spotlight or compete with the young ones. I wish he would have slowed down, tried to have kids or adopted some and became a husband to a mature woman, my pick would have been Denise, LOL. He earned the right to enjoy his legacy and that wouldn't have meant he was old either. I love him but he looked ridiculous with those young girls and even creepy to me. I shudder when I think about him saying that he had crush on Andy Allo, lawd.

fwiw, saying you have a crush on someone does not have to correlate with wanting to be in a relationship with them. i don't know the context of his comment, but it could have been an innocent comment rather than a skeevy seeming "ewwww" from a 50 something about a 20 yr old. he also said around that time that he saw beauty in everyone, was putting his celibate energy into his music, and was open to meeting the right person to marry if it was what God wanted. so it could have been an innocent compliment to his friend/protoge. that is how i am choosing to see it anyway. totally agree with the rest of what you said.

I agree with that about the Andy thing and can see it that way as well but as a woman with a younger sister the same age as Andy, I side eyed the hell out of Prince, lol, especially after they were 'confirmed' to be dating a few years back. I don't think Prince was a sicko though, just a man who likes younger women.

purplegirl00 said:

cng89 said:

For someone who says he doesn't look back at the past, his actions sure said otherwise. I wish somewhere along the way Prince could have really thought about just living life. I know music was him, he was music but I also look at these legend both past and present and see that they are not looking to be relevent anymore. They have already put in their work and cemented their legacy so they don't give a damn about creating anymore. He was PRINCE! He didn't need to fight for the spotlight or compete with the young ones. I wish he would have slowed down, tried to have kids or adopted some and became a husband to a mature woman, my pick would have been Denise, LOL. He earned the right to enjoy his legacy and that wouldn't have meant he was old either. I love him but he looked ridiculous with those young girls and even creepy to me. I shudder when I think about him saying that he had crush on Andy Allo, lawd.

YES! Maybe to some degree, this is what he's talking about in Revelation.

AGREED!

SPYZFAN1 said:

Me too! And I think he loved them for that also..(even though he probably wouldn't have admitted it)...lol.

LOL! He was too stubborn for that.

cng89 said:

cardinal said:

cng89 said:

I agree with that about the Andy thing and can see it that way as well but as a woman with a younger sister the same age as Andy, I side eyed the hell out of Prince, lol, especially after they were 'confirmed' to be dating a few years back. I don't think Prince was a sicko though, just a man who likes younger women.

agree. i don't think there was anything wrong with him, but i do think he went through a phase a while back when he wanted to be with younger women who were less strong willed and more moldable. in later years, i think it had more to do with mentoring them and picking up on young energy than anything romantic. i am skeptical of the "confirmation" about aa. there are some who insist he dated damaris when she herself said they were friends.

You know, not that it's any of my business but I would love to know what it was like for Damaris, Andy and several of the young girls who were his muses or #1 girls after he become a JW. During those years, it was a completely different Prince. Sex is not something you have to do in order to have a healthy relationship but this was a man who nearly MADE sex, lol. I wonder if they ever wanted to take it there with.

cng89 said:

purplegirl00 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

I have to admit at the minute I'm thoroughly enjoying this aspect of Prince's work - the layers within layers of meaning, it's nearly like learning a language and it's not even fixed to the lyrics. It's the way the songs are constructed, the use of old material with new songs, the visual dimension, his costumes on stage etc. And now to realise that Vanity was corresponding back in the same way too! It's really quite extraordinary!

Through this thread I have discovered more of Prince's music. I'll admit, before this, I only knew his hits and songs that had heavy rotation on the radio. I am definitely digging his other music that I had never heard before. I bought Revelation, Adore, I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore, and couple of others that I had never heard of until coming here.

[Edited 5/24/16 17:34pm]

Sorry, I missed this before. Prince has a wide range of music styles to dip into depending on where your taste lies. You may know this one - The Art Official Age Album (2014) is quite special particularly Way Back Home and Affirmation III.

If you like instrumental stuff he's got quite a few albums including the N.E.W.S. album. One Nite Alone...Live! (3CD) is special as it has live performances of alot of his fan faves popular songs and ones that may not necessarily had huge commercial exposure. Enjoy!

http://tidido.com/a35184372117695/albums

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[Edited 5/26/16 13:29pm]

[Edited 5/26/16 13:36pm]

SunnyGirl8 said:

purplegirl00 said:

Through this thread I have discovered more of Prince's music. I'll admit, before this, I only knew his hits and songs that had heavy rotation on the radio. I am definitely digging his other music that I had never heard before. I bought Revelation, Adore, I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore, and couple of others that I had never heard of until coming here.

[Edited 5/24/16 17:34pm]

Sorry I missed this before. Prince has a wide range of music styles to dip into depending on where your taste lies. You may know this one - The Art Official Age Album (2014) is quite special particularly Way Back Home and Affirmation III.

If you like instrumental stuff the N.E.W.S. album is great and One Nite Alone...Live! (3CD) is special as it has live performances of alot of his fan faves that may not necessarily had huge commercial exposure.

It would appear that his stuff is up through this link at the moment so you can scroll through and have a listen and then buy whatever takes your fancy. Enjoy!

http://tidido.com/a35184372117695/albums

[Edited 5/26/16 13:21pm]

[Edited 5/26/16 13:29pm]

Oh my goodness, thank you so much! I will certainly be going there to check it out. I know there is so much more to be discovered. I can't believe all the sides to Prince's music and HIM. I only knew his hits. I feel like a "baby" fan.

cardinal said:

cng89 said:

You know, not that it's any of my business but I would love to know what it was like for Damaris, Andy and several of the young girls who were his muses or #1 girls after he become a JW. During those years, it was a completely different Prince. Sex is not something you have to do in order to have a healthy relationship but this was a man who nearly MADE sex, lol. I wonder if they ever wanted to take it there with.

yeah, lol, in the earlier days, he was sex personified. but who knows, he may have been giving off a completely different vibe in later years. he said in interviews sex is largely in the mind (this was after the jw conversion). so if his mind was on music, or god, or whatever, he may not have been spilling those pheromones as liberally, or at all. also, with a large age difference, they may have had more of a mentor/father/big brother vibe with him. hard to imagine, but he did change alot in those later years.

You know him saying that he would be open to get married again, I wonder why he didn't. Maybe he couldn't have the one he really wanted or knew that "THAT" relationship just wouldn't work here on Earth or maybe he never found what he was ultimately looking for which I believe was Vanity without the deeply religious views and her unwillingness to submit to him. I wish Prince had settled down though and had some kids around him. They could have been adopted even if he couldn't have them naturally. I just get this feeling that he was alone a lot during the later years, you know? I wish there was a wife, heir or heiress to the Purple One! Hell, more than one heir and heiress!

purplegirl00 said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Sorry I missed this before. Prince has a wide range of music styles to dip into depending on where your taste lies. You may know this one - The Art Official Age Album (2014) is quite special particularly Way Back Home and Affirmation III.

If you like instrumental stuff the N.E.W.S. album is great and One Nite Alone...Live! (3CD) is special as it has live performances of alot of his fan faves that may not necessarily had huge commercial exposure.

It would appear that his stuff is up through this link at the moment so you can scroll through and have a listen and then buy whatever takes your fancy. Enjoy!

http://tidido.com/a35184372117695/albums

[Edited 5/26/16 13:21pm]

[Edited 5/26/16 13:29pm]

Oh my goodness, thank you so much! I will certainly be going there to check it out. I know there is so much more to be discovered. I can't believe all the sides to Prince's music and HIM. I only knew his hits. I feel like a "baby" fan.

No probs! He really left a huge gift behind to explore and enjoy!

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

2 things (beyond the reality that most men see younger chicks as a validation of their attractiveness and also they are sexually attracted to youthful women)

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1) Prince needed to portray a youthful image to the world in order to get young people to listen to his music. This is a commercial reality.

2) Alot of mature people are living in the past. Prince needed youth around him to stay relevant artistically.

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Both valid reasons. Besides Vanity dropped out of Hollywood. She wasn't playing that game anymore. As much as he probably still loved her, he couldn't be around her preaching all the time and still create good music. She herself wasn't really into it anymore from about 2000 on, it seems to me.

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In terms of lifestyle he probably would have been more compatible with Sheila E than Vanity in the last years, don't you think?

[Edited 5/26/16 8:03am]

Yes, this all sounds about right. I have seen though where artists- musicians and actors marry non-muscians and non-actors and the marriages have better longevity. In terms of lifestyles, I agree, Sheila would've been the better match.

Yes but love has no formulaic recipe, love is magick and when it happens between two souls, it happens...that's what's both tragic and beautiful about it~

SunnyGirl8 said:

purplegirl00 said:

Oh my goodness, thank you so much! I will certainly be going there to check it out. I know there is so much more to be discovered. I can't believe all the sides to Prince's music and HIM. I only knew his hits. I feel like a "baby" fan.

No probs! He really left a huge gift behind to explore and enjoy!

This may also come in handy too. If you're into lyrics, this is a listing of Albums in chronological order with the songs in them. Click on the song and it will open another page with the lyrics. Most of his albums will appear there that have been released under his name but b-sides aren't there though (like Erotic City which was the b-side to Let's Go Crazy - which is very good too if you like the Extraloveable 1982 sound).

http://www.azlyrics.com/p/prince.html

[Edited 5/26/16 13:53pm]

beachy said:

Just looked at the lyrics to Adore again, there's a line about how he called her at 3am after the AMAs lol. This is recorded Nov 1986. Vanity started dating Nikki in May. Maybe he wrote this to try to woo her back. Perhaps if he was trying to get her back this is why Susannah finally left in December. I think Susan Rogers misinterpreted the situation thinking that Adore and Wally were written for Susannah. They were probably written for Vanity who was dating Nikki Sixx at the time and that is why in Wally he says it was 'no use.'

"Adore"

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

From the first moment I saw U
Ooh, I knew U were the 1
That night I had 2 call U
I was rappin' till the sun came up
Tellin' U just how fine U look
In a word, U were sex
All of my cool attitude U took
My body was next
U made love 2 me
Like U where afraid
Was U afraid of me?
Was I the first?
Was I your every fantasy?
That's why

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

When we be makin' love
I only hear the sounds
Heavenly angels cryin' up above
Tears of joy pourin' down on us
They know we need each other
They know U are my fix
I know, that U know that I ain't cheatin' baby
They know this is serious
I ain't fuckin' just 4 kicks, no
This condition I got is crucial, crucial baby
U could say that I'm a terminal case
U could burn up my clothes
Smash up my ride, well maybe not the ride
But I got 2 have your face
All up in the place

I'd like 2 think that I'm a man of exquisite taste
A hundred percent Italian silk imported Egyptian lace
But nothin' baby, I said nothin' baby could compare
2 your lovely face
Do U know what I'm sayin' 2 ya this evening
I'm just tryin' 2 say
I'm just tryin' 2 say
That until, until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
I'll be there 4 U
On my heart, on my mind, (truly adore U)
I truly adore U (darlin')
U don't know what you're mean 2 me
Baby, (until the end of time)
Baby, (I'll be there 4 U)
Baby, (U own my heart and mind)
'Til the end of time I'll be there 4 U
(I truly adore U)
Adore U (adore U)

Can I talk 2 U? {{chorus repeated in background}}
Tell U what U mean 2 me
Every time U wander
I'll be your eyes so U can see
I wanna show U things
That I show no other, I wanna be
More than, more than your mother
More than your brother
I wanna be (like no) like no other
If U need me, I'll never leave
I know, that U know, without U there is no me
There is no me
Without U there is no sea
There is no shore
Love is 2 weak 2 define how much I adore
U, child
U, child
The last words U hear
The last words U hear

(until the end of time)
I'll be there for you, baby
(until the end of time)

Be with me darlin' til the end of time (until the end of time)
I'll give U my heart
I'll give U my mind
I'll give U my body (until the end of time)
I'll give U my time (until the end of time)
(until the end of time)

4 all time I am with U
U are with me
(until the end of time)
U are with me, U are with me

[Edited 5/25/16 21:19pm]

[Edited 5/25/16 21:27pm]

Actually, back in 2002 when Prince had the NPG Music Club, members got to sit in on sound checks before the concert and he would sometimes do a Q and A with fans. During one of those sessions, someone asked who Adore was written for, and Prince said, Susannah.

If I remember correctly the actually posted a report on the org. about the whole sound check and other qs asked.

paisleypunk said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: Yes, this all sounds about right. I have seen though where artists- musicians and actors marry non-muscians and non-actors and the marriages have better longevity. In terms of lifestyles, I agree, Sheila would've been the better match.

Yes but love has no formulaic recipe, love is magick and when it happens between two souls, it happens...that's what's both tragic and beautiful about it~

True. Also, the heart wants what the heart wants- even if the circumstances of life don't allow or aren't right.

purplegirl00 said:

paisleypunk said:

Yes but love has no formulaic recipe, love is magick and when it happens between two souls, it happens...that's what's both tragic and beautiful about it~

True. Also, the heart wants what the heart wants- even if the circumstances of life don't allow or aren't right.

I agree. Love is just one of those powerful forces. Logic rarely comes into it.

simm0061 said:

beachy said:

Just looked at the lyrics to Adore again, there's a line about how he called her at 3am after the AMAs lol. This is recorded Nov 1986. Vanity started dating Nikki in May. Maybe he wrote this to try to woo her back. Perhaps if he was trying to get her back this is why Susannah finally left in December. I think Susan Rogers misinterpreted the situation thinking that Adore and Wally were written for Susannah. They were probably written for Vanity who was dating Nikki Sixx at the time and that is why in Wally he says it was 'no use.'

"Adore"

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

From the first moment I saw U
Ooh, I knew U were the 1
That night I had 2 call U
I was rappin' till the sun came up
Tellin' U just how fine U look
In a word, U were sex
All of my cool attitude U took
My body was next
U made love 2 me
Like U where afraid
Was U afraid of me?
Was I the first?
Was I your every fantasy?
That's why

Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

When we be makin' love
I only hear the sounds
Heavenly angels cryin' up above
Tears of joy pourin' down on us
They know we need each other
They know U are my fix
I know, that U know that I ain't cheatin' baby
They know this is serious
I ain't fuckin' just 4 kicks, no
This condition I got is crucial, crucial baby
U could say that I'm a terminal case
U could burn up my clothes
Smash up my ride, well maybe not the ride
But I got 2 have your face
All up in the place

I'd like 2 think that I'm a man of exquisite taste
A hundred percent Italian silk imported Egyptian lace
But nothin' baby, I said nothin' baby could compare
2 your lovely face
Do U know what I'm sayin' 2 ya this evening
I'm just tryin' 2 say
I'm just tryin' 2 say
That until, until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
I'll be there 4 U
On my heart, on my mind, (truly adore U)
I truly adore U (darlin')
U don't know what you're mean 2 me
Baby, (until the end of time)
Baby, (I'll be there 4 U)
Baby, (U own my heart and mind)
'Til the end of time I'll be there 4 U
(I truly adore U)
Adore U (adore U)

Can I talk 2 U? {{chorus repeated in background}}
Tell U what U mean 2 me
Every time U wander
I'll be your eyes so U can see
I wanna show U things
That I show no other, I wanna be
More than, more than your mother
More than your brother
I wanna be (like no) like no other
If U need me, I'll never leave
I know, that U know, without U there is no me
There is no me
Without U there is no sea
There is no shore
Love is 2 weak 2 define how much I adore
U, child
U, child
The last words U hear
The last words U hear

(until the end of time)
I'll be there for you, baby
(until the end of time)

Be with me darlin' til the end of time (until the end of time)
I'll give U my heart
I'll give U my mind
I'll give U my body (until the end of time)
I'll give U my time (until the end of time)
(until the end of time)

4 all time I am with U
U are with me
(until the end of time)
U are with me, U are with me

[Edited 5/25/16 21:19pm]

[Edited 5/25/16 21:27pm]

Actually, back in 2002 when Prince had the NPG Music Club, members got to sit in on sound checks before the concert and he would sometimes do a Q and A with fans. During one of those sessions, someone asked who Adore was written for, and Prince said, Susannah.

If I remember correctly the actually posted a report on the org. about the whole sound check and other qs asked.

Prince dedicated Adore to Vanity in Melbourne the day he found out she died.

SunnyGirl8 said:

simm0061 said:

Actually, back in 2002 when Prince had the NPG Music Club, members got to sit in on sound checks before the concert and he would sometimes do a Q and A with fans. During one of those sessions, someone asked who Adore was written for, and Prince said, Susannah.

If I remember correctly the actually posted a report on the org. about the whole sound check and other qs asked.

Prince dedicated Adore to Vanity in Melbourne the day he found out she died.

Those last concerts/shows are why I was so drawn into this thread

His transparent heartbreak over her death and then him dying right after her. That is the hook, that is the draw; that is deep no matter what anyone says there is alot going on there but I am not a spiritualist or mystic or prophet but deaths/his illness/her dying it says alot with no words. Not coincidence either.

Vashtix said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Prince dedicated Adore to Vanity in Melbourne the day he found out she died.

Those last concerts/shows are why I was so drawn into this thread

His transparent heartbreak over her death and then him dying right after her. That is the hook, that is the draw; that is deep no matter what anyone says there is alot going on there but I am not a spiritualist or mystic or prophet but deaths/his illness/her dying it says alot with no words. Not coincidence either.

I think some fans try to make it seem like Vanity wasn't that important to him but I truly believe he made it clear that they loved each other greatly in Melbourne and he knew that she was the finest woman in the world. She was special to him whether people like it or not!

cng89 said:

Vashtix said:

Those last concerts/shows are why I was so drawn into this thread

His transparent heartbreak over her death and then him dying right after her. That is the hook, that is the draw; that is deep no matter what anyone says there is alot going on there but I am not a spiritualist or mystic or prophet but deaths/his illness/her dying it says alot with no words. Not coincidence either.

I think some fans try to make it seem like Vanity wasn't that important to him but I truly believe he made it clear that they loved each other greatly in Melbourne and he knew that she was the finest woman in the world. She was special to him whether people like it or not!

It is out there his last shows, his last weeks on earth her death was heavy on him-no question , no public relations stunt, just raw in your face. I do not understand why that is offensive or something to overlook.

Vashtix said:

SunnyGirl8 said:

Prince dedicated Adore to Vanity in Melbourne the day he found out she died.

Those last concerts/shows are why I was so drawn into this thread

His transparent heartbreak over her death and then him dying right after her. That is the hook, that is the draw; that is deep no matter what anyone says there is alot going on there but I am not a spiritualist or mystic or prophet but deaths/his illness/her dying it says alot with no words. Not coincidence either.

This. ^

purplegirl00 said:

Vashtix said:

Those last concerts/shows are why I was so drawn into this thread

His transparent heartbreak over her death and then him dying right after her. That is the hook, that is the draw; that is deep no matter what anyone says there is alot going on there but I am not a spiritualist or mystic or prophet but deaths/his illness/her dying it says alot with no words. Not coincidence either.

This. ^

Again it gives me chills everytime I post it out as it is-this whole thing. When I think of it-chills.

Vashtix said:

cng89 said:

I think some fans try to make it seem like Vanity wasn't that important to him but I truly believe he made it clear that they loved each other greatly in Melbourne and he knew that she was the finest woman in the world. She was special to him whether people like it or not!

It is out there his last shows, his last weeks on earth her death was heavy on him-no question , no public relations stunt, just raw in your face. I do not understand why that is offensive or something to overlook.

Those Mayte and Susannah stans are the only ones who see it as offensive. We have never heard him talk about any of his ladies including his ex-wives like that after the break-ups. There have been rumors that he still even talked to Vanity in recent years but I don't think he has had much contact with many of his former ladies include his ex-wives. Well, maybe Apples, Sheila E. and the 80s ladies but I'm not sure about Susannah.