kellyna said:

beachy said:

I know I read an interview with Vanity where she says Prince gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS after dating off and on. something like that.

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It's possible they met in a club, then met again after the AMAs in Jan 1982. At some point they decided what the 'official' story would be, and just like their names and images, this would be enhanced to make a better story. That's how those things work. PR machines doctor the details all the time. Then the people involved have to go with it.

I agree that meeting in 1980 sounds like it's the most plausible. Plus I have a number of articles etc. since Prince's death and most of them cite the 1980 date. Vanity mentioned the ultimatum in that interview I posted that she did with Donny Simpson in 1985. She said something along the lines of "yeah he said that if you love me, you'll come with me" or move to Minneapolis - but she did talk about it. I think in the same interview she mentioned that they were dating on and off before-hand (living in different cities and Prince doing tours) etc. So again that would line up with your 1980 date, that they met and were attracted to each other and saw each other when they could, but then eventually Prince wanted her to join him more permanently.

yup thanks I thought so too.

beachy said:

kellyna said:

I agree that meeting in 1980 sounds like it's the most plausible. Plus I have a number of articles etc. since Prince's death and most of them cite the 1980 date. Vanity mentioned the ultimatum in that interview I posted that she did with Donny Simpson in 1985. She said something along the lines of "yeah he said that if you love me, you'll come with me" or move to Minneapolis - but she did talk about it. I think in the same interview she mentioned that they were dating on and off before-hand (living in different cities and Prince doing tours) etc. So again that would line up with your 1980 date, that they met and were attracted to each other and saw each other when they could, but then eventually Prince wanted her to join him more permanently.

yup thanks I thought so too.

What about her Playboy interview in 1988, I never seen or read it, so does she talk about meeting Prince in it?

beachy said:

I'm going with, for now,

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1980

they met in 1980 at the AMAs, he sent his manager over to pimp her (take him to the bathroom), she demures but eventually he comes over and says come on, he takes his coat off and is starkers. When the press sees them together and asks who she is, he takes her hand and says "This is my wife..." He calls her at 3am. They go out on a double date with Morris Day (this is why he says 'Together again', he was there from the beginning almost literally).

Feb 1980

Prince opens for Rick James Fire it Up tour, they do not know each other before then, and they do not get along.

She's in LA/NY, he's in MPLS. She's dating Rick James and Adam Ant. He's hooking up with Susan Moonsie and Jill Jones. They are seeing each other sporadically because of his touring and home being in MPLS.

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mid to late 1980

The crisis during Dirty Mind involving a girl who is not returning his love. He has some kind of spiritual epiphany..and this becomes the basis for his 3rd film (not sure he followed through, will have to take a look at GB)

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1982

Rick is grooming her for his girl group when in 1982 Prince steals both his idea and the leading lady, and gives her an ultimatum to come to MPLS. he said "if you love me, you'll come with me." She joins the Controversy tour for the rest of it until April and they work on material. She packs her stuff and moves to MPLS in April when the tour is over where they immediately start recording Vanity 6. She moves in with him at Kiowa Trail.

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[Edited 5/25/16 19:36pm]

30yearfan said:

endiadj said:

this is crazy! different years, different places. we'll may never get the real story unfortunately.

"Denise had a way of testing the love of others by behaving in a way that would turn them away if she behaved badly enough. She spent most of her adult life hating herself and never considering herself worthy of love." THAT right there says a 1000 words in two sentences. It's really tragic. I think Prince was trying fight through that (even though he had own issues of abandonment & neglect). He could not win against that. You can hear the reassurances in some of the songs we know and ones we believe are about her. I even wager to think he was doing that until the end.

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said:

"Denise had a way of testing the love of others by behaving in a way that would turn them away if she behaved badly enough. She spent most of her adult life hating herself and never considering herself worthy of love." THAT right there says a 1000 words in two sentences. It's really tragic. I think Prince was trying fight through that (even though he had own issues of abandonment & neglect). He could not win against that. You can hear the reassurances in some of the songs we know and ones we believe are about her. I even wager to think he was doing that until the end.

She had this way of behaving and it is exactly how Nikki Sixx describes it too. She also, because of her father's physical abuse could not tolerate feeling controlled. Literally acted like a wild animal.

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Prince had huge abandonment issues so could not tolerate a situation that he was not in complete control. His father and his manager Steve Fargnoli were womanizers and he copied their behavior.

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recipe for heartbreak.

beachy said:

paisleypunk said:

ty!!! xx

its on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgU9wWcV67U

Wow finally got a chance to listen to the tune Revelation and it is indeed hauntingly beautiful! (thanks for posting the utube link and the lyrics). It seems all the more relevant considering how recently it was written and released.

It's not unusual for anyone as they age to gain perspective on your life and your experiences and sometimes you need the wisdom of time to recognize who and what was important in your life. Sometimes it also makes you realize that you took some of it for granted - in Prince's case meeting Vanity at such a young age, he was just breaking out, had the world at his fingertips, it was hard to resist all the women and opportunities etc. So although he knew at the time that Vanity was special, he was too distracted by all the other and so let her slip through his fingers. Then he discovers that he can't get her out of his heart and realizes that she is just not that easy to replace. And they keep connecting or briefly hooking up over the next few years, but by then they had both hurt each other and it made it difficult for either of them to trust each other. Vanity then denounces her past life (including Prince) in the early days of her turn toward religion and then marries someone else. Prince is hurt and angry and then shows he can move on as well by marrying Mayte - but that relationship was not significant enough to weather the tough times, so he moves on and marries another pale replica of Vanity, but doesn't find true contentment in that relationship either. And then by the time he sings Revelation, he realizes that Vanity was the one all along, that it's never changed, that neither distance or time has changed any of it and he just wants to be in her arms again.

Another thing I find interesting is that in various interviews Prince often claimed how he didn't like to look back, that he only cared about the now, the present. But with Vanity it was always the exception, he always looked back at the period they were together with great sentimentality and wanting and he could never let go of that part of his past or of her!

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

cool details, thanks. it corroborates the timeline too.

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what this means is that they had a much longer relationship than most people realize, because it started in 1980, and he was literally asking her to come back in 1987. And there might be other stuff later we don't even know.

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Vanity doing "Samuelle" at the 1985 Motown Revue-this was the show in which it was reported that she infamously did drugs in the dressing room with James Debarge and Janet Jackson went back there and chased her out.

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on V's "Skin on Skin" album in the credits it says special thanks 2 "Prince.. for Dreams Come True." This is the one with her in the elegant 30s gown and it came out in May 1986, the same month she showed up at his party in the yellow pants with buttons. Its the same month she started dating Nikki Sixx.

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Here's something I found for scriptgirl re Vanity's engagement to Nikki. I think I found it on another thread here somewhere.

Nikki Sixx had a crush on Vanity for 5 years and he kept on pursing her and her p.r. or whatever told her to do it.

They were set to marry in Egypt and start a family right away. He mentions how he always wanted bi-racial children and he wanted her to mother them. They had it all planned out and he called it off so they got into this huge physical fight and he flushed the ring down the toilet.

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This is for Goddess:

Vanity gave an interview to Playboy after she became famous. Here’s part of the text from the feature in April ‘88…

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After falling for her at the American Music Awards, Prince dubbed her VANITY. “He said to me that we were each other in another life, and I believe that.” Until recently, the king of her heart was Nikki Sixx, who seemed for a time be doubling on the wedding bells. “We defintely plan to marry within a year,” Vanity told us when we first spoke to her in Rome, where she was hosting the TV variety show Fantastico. The next week, the romance was kaput. But nothing is likely to slow the vivacious Vanity down. And she’s nothing if not versatile. “When I go away to act, my singing misses me; when I make an album, my acting misses me. I’ve just always been on stage. I think I’m a natural-born performer.” Although she feels the two careers compliment each other–she doesn’t hesitate to pick favorites: “I think that at this point in my life, definitely much better at acting.”

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[Edited 5/25/16 20:02pm]

kellyna said:

beachy said:

its on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgU9wWcV67U

Wow finally got a chance to listen to the tune Revelation and it is indeed hauntingly beautiful! (thanks for posting the utube link and the lyrics). It seems all the more relevant considering how recently it was written and released.

It's not unusual for anyone as they age to gain perspective on your life and your experiences and sometimes you need the wisdom of time to recognize who and what was important in your life. Sometimes it also makes you realize that you took some of it for granted - in Prince's case meeting Vanity at such a young age, he was just breaking out, had the world at his fingertips, it was hard to resist all the women and opportunities etc. So although he knew at the time that Vanity was special, he was too distracted by all the other and so let her slip through his fingers. Then he discovers that he can't get her out of his heart and realizes that she is just not that easy to replace. And they keep connecting or briefly hooking up over the next few years, but by then they had both hurt each other and it made it difficult for either of them to trust each other. Vanity then denounces her past life (including Prince) in the early days of her turn toward religion and then marries someone else. Prince is hurt and angry and then shows he can move on as well by marrying Mayte - but that relationship was not significant enough to weather the tough times, so he moves on and marries another pale replica of Vanity, but doesn't find true contentment in that relationship either. And then by the time he sings Revelation, he realizes that Vanity was the one all along, that it's never changed, that neither distance or time has changed any of it and he just wants to be in her arms again.

Another thing I find interesting is that in various interviews Prince often claimed how he didn't like to look back, that he only cared about the now, the present. But with Vanity it was always the exception, he always looked back at the period they were together with great sentimentality and wanting and he could never let go of that part of his past or of her!

that's my take too. Vanity made an absolutely indelible impression which dominated all the other chicks.

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said:

"Denise had a way of testing the love of others by behaving in a way that would turn them away if she behaved badly enough. She spent most of her adult life hating herself and never considering herself worthy of love." THAT right there says a 1000 words in two sentences. It's really tragic. I think Prince was trying fight through that (even though he had own issues of abandonment & neglect). He could not win against that. You can hear the reassurances in some of the songs we know and ones we believe are about her. I even wager to think he was doing that until the end.

So sad in a way that Prince seemed to want to always show her that he would be there for her - helping pay for some of her medical expenses over the years, sending her flowers when she was in the hospital and even the fact that he kept in contact over the years. But unfortunately I think he also contributed to her insecurities by claiming that he loved her, but then never being faithful to her. It would undermine the most confident woman in the world, I think it would be devastating to a woman who didn't think she was worthy of love. In fact, it really would confirm it for her - her love was not enough to satisfy Prince, he also had to look elsewhere. I said it earlier, these two were truly star-crossed lovers.

Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

yup thanks I thought so too.

What about her Playboy interview in 1988, I never seen or read it, so does she talk about meeting Prince in it?

I posted it for you in a longer post just slightly above this one.

kellyna said:

beachy said:

its on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgU9wWcV67U

Wow finally got a chance to listen to the tune Revelation and it is indeed hauntingly beautiful! (thanks for posting the utube link and the lyrics). It seems all the more relevant considering how recently it was written and released.

It's not unusual for anyone as they age to gain perspective on your life and your experiences and sometimes you need the wisdom of time to recognize who and what was important in your life. Sometimes it also makes you realize that you took some of it for granted - in Prince's case meeting Vanity at such a young age, he was just breaking out, had the world at his fingertips, it was hard to resist all the women and opportunities etc. So although he knew at the time that Vanity was special, he was too distracted by all the other and so let her slip through his fingers. Then he discovers that he can't get her out of his heart and realizes that she is just not that easy to replace. And they keep connecting or briefly hooking up over the next few years, but by then they had both hurt each other and it made it difficult for either of them to trust each other. Vanity then denounces her past life (including Prince) in the early days of her turn toward religion and then marries someone else. Prince is hurt and angry and then shows he can move on as well by marrying Mayte - but that relationship was not significant enough to weather the tough times, so he moves on and marries another pale replica of Vanity, but doesn't find true contentment in that relationship either. And then by the time he sings Revelation, he realizes that Vanity was the one all along, that it's never changed, that neither distance or time has changed any of it and he just wants to be in her arms again.

Another thing I find interesting is that in various interviews Prince often claimed how he didn't like to look back, that he only cared about the now, the present. But with Vanity it was always the exception, he always looked back at the period they were together with great sentimentality and wanting and he could never let go of that part of his past or of her!

YES! You spoke what I have been thinking and this is why I literally broke down after listening to him at the end of the one song at the Melbourne tribute. I had been listening to Revelation just before it.

beachy said:

Goddess4Real said:

What about her Playboy interview in 1988, I never seen or read it, so does she talk about meeting Prince in it?

I posted it for you in a longer post just slightly above this one.

Thanks I just thought she would mention the year they met.

purplegirl00 said:

kellyna said:

Wow finally got a chance to listen to the tune Revelation and it is indeed hauntingly beautiful! (thanks for posting the utube link and the lyrics). It seems all the more relevant considering how recently it was written and released.

It's not unusual for anyone as they age to gain perspective on your life and your experiences and sometimes you need the wisdom of time to recognize who and what was important in your life. Sometimes it also makes you realize that you took some of it for granted - in Prince's case meeting Vanity at such a young age, he was just breaking out, had the world at his fingertips, it was hard to resist all the women and opportunities etc. So although he knew at the time that Vanity was special, he was too distracted by all the other and so let her slip through his fingers. Then he discovers that he can't get her out of his heart and realizes that she is just not that easy to replace. And they keep connecting or briefly hooking up over the next few years, but by then they had both hurt each other and it made it difficult for either of them to trust each other. Vanity then denounces her past life (including Prince) in the early days of her turn toward religion and then marries someone else. Prince is hurt and angry and then shows he can move on as well by marrying Mayte - but that relationship was not significant enough to weather the tough times, so he moves on and marries another pale replica of Vanity, but doesn't find true contentment in that relationship either. And then by the time he sings Revelation, he realizes that Vanity was the one all along, that it's never changed, that neither distance or time has changed any of it and he just wants to be in her arms again.

Another thing I find interesting is that in various interviews Prince often claimed how he didn't like to look back, that he only cared about the now, the present. But with Vanity it was always the exception, he always looked back at the period they were together with great sentimentality and wanting and he could never let go of that part of his past or of her!

YES! You spoke what I have been thinking and this is why I literally broke down after listening to him at the end of the one song at the Melbourne tribute. I had been listening to Revelation just before it.

I agree and I might add (this is my take) that when he says he slowly remembers it, he is talking about other lives they had in the past. That he is realizing she's been with him all along.

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

Well, looks like he took her advice. That's how we got the Piano and Microphone tour. The piano definitely gave a hauntingly beautiful spin to his songs that we all know.

beachy said:

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

cool details, thanks. it corroborates the timeline too.

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what this means is that they had a much longer relationship than most people realize, because it started in 1980, and he was literally asking her to come back in 1987. And there might be other stuff later we don't even know.

.

Vanity doing "Samuelle" at the 1985 Motown Revue-this was the show in which it was reported that she infamously did drugs in the dressing room with James Debarge and Janet Jackson went back there and chased her out.

.

on V's "Skin on Skin" album in the credits it says special thanks 2 "Prince.. for Dreams Come True."

.

Here's something I found for scriptgirl re Vanity's engagement to Nikki. I think I found it on another thread here somewhere.

Nikki Sixx had a crush on Vanity for 5 years and he kept on pursing her and her p.r. or whatever told her to do it.

They were set to marry in Egypt and start a family right away. He mentions how he always wanted bi-racial children and he wanted her to mother them. They had it all planned out and he called it off so they got into this huge physical fight and he flushed the ring down the toilet.

;

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Vanity gave an interview to Playboy after she became famous. Here’s part of the text from the feature in April ‘88…

.

After falling for her at the American Music Awards, Prince dubbed her VANITY. “He said to me that we were each other in another life, and I believe that.” Until recently, the king of her heart was Nikki Sixx, who seemed for a time be doubling on the wedding bells. “We defintely plan to marry within a year,” Vanity told us when we first spoke to her in Rome, where she was hosting the TV variety show Fantastico. The next week, the romance was kaput. But nothing is likely to slow the vivacious Vanity down. And she’s nothing if not versatile. “When I go away to act, my singing misses me; when I make an album, my acting misses me. I’ve just always been on stage. I think I’m a natural-born performer.” Although she feels the two careers compliment each other–she doesn’t hesitate to pick favorites: “I think that at this point in my life, definitely much better at acting.”

Yeah, I was really surprised that they met in 1980. It changed a lot of what I thought I knew about them. The story that he told in the Rolling Stone interview about being depressed over being in love someone might have been the first time that we see him talking to her through the press. He knew she was going to read that interview. He was sending her a message because I don't think they were talking during 1985. The song private joy from the controversy album has always been assumed to be about Susan Moonsie but who knows now. With him including the guitar solo on Orgasm maybe Vanity was the inspiration for that one too.

kellyna said:

purplegirl00 said:

"Denise had a way of testing the love of others by behaving in a way that would turn them away if she behaved badly enough. She spent most of her adult life hating herself and never considering herself worthy of love." THAT right there says a 1000 words in two sentences. It's really tragic. I think Prince was trying fight through that (even though he had own issues of abandonment & neglect). He could not win against that. You can hear the reassurances in some of the songs we know and ones we believe are about her. I even wager to think he was doing that until the end.

So sad in a way that Prince seemed to want to always show her that he would be there for her - helping pay for some of her medical expenses over the years, sending her flowers when she was in the hospital and even the fact that he kept in contact over the years. But unfortunately I think he also contributed to her insecurities by claiming that he loved her, but then never being faithful to her. It would undermine the most confident woman in the world, I think it would be devastating to a woman who didn't think she was worthy of love. In fact, it really would confirm it for her - her love was not enough to satisfy Prince, he also had to look elsewhere. I said it earlier, these two were truly star-crossed lovers.

I kinda get the impression he didn't really fight through it except at the beginning where she said he was nurturing, later he ran off with Moonsie and Jill to assuage his ego and wrote great songs about it.

30yearfan said:

beachy said:

cool details, thanks. it corroborates the timeline too.

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what this means is that they had a much longer relationship than most people realize, because it started in 1980, and he was literally asking her to come back in 1987. And there might be other stuff later we don't even know.

.

Vanity doing "Samuelle" at the 1985 Motown Revue-this was the show in which it was reported that she infamously did drugs in the dressing room with James Debarge and Janet Jackson went back there and chased her out.

.

on V's "Skin on Skin" album in the credits it says special thanks 2 "Prince.. for Dreams Come True."

.

Here's something I found for scriptgirl re Vanity's engagement to Nikki. I think I found it on another thread here somewhere.

Nikki Sixx had a crush on Vanity for 5 years and he kept on pursing her and her p.r. or whatever told her to do it.

They were set to marry in Egypt and start a family right away. He mentions how he always wanted bi-racial children and he wanted her to mother them. They had it all planned out and he called it off so they got into this huge physical fight and he flushed the ring down the toilet.

;

.

Vanity gave an interview to Playboy after she became famous. Here’s part of the text from the feature in April ‘88…

.

After falling for her at the American Music Awards, Prince dubbed her VANITY. “He said to me that we were each other in another life, and I believe that.” Until recently, the king of her heart was Nikki Sixx, who seemed for a time be doubling on the wedding bells. “We defintely plan to marry within a year,” Vanity told us when we first spoke to her in Rome, where she was hosting the TV variety show Fantastico. The next week, the romance was kaput. But nothing is likely to slow the vivacious Vanity down. And she’s nothing if not versatile. “When I go away to act, my singing misses me; when I make an album, my acting misses me. I’ve just always been on stage. I think I’m a natural-born performer.” Although she feels the two careers compliment each other–she doesn’t hesitate to pick favorites: “I think that at this point in my life, definitely much better at acting.”

Yeah, I was really surprised that they met in 1980. It changed a lot of what I thought I knew about them. The story that he told in the Rolling Stone interview about being depressed over being in love someone might have been the first time that we see him talking to her through the press. He knew she was going to read that interview. He was sending her a message because I don't think they were talking during 1985. The song private joy from the controversy album has always been assumed to be about Susan Moonsie but who knows now. With him including the guitar solo on Orgasm maybe Vanity was the inspiration for that one too.

Yeah I think most all of the great love songs between 1980 and 1984 were inspired by her. And of course several after. She was his muse for a long long time.

purplegirl00 said:

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

Well, looks like he took her advice. That's how we got the Piano and Microphone tour. The piano definitely gave a hauntingly beautiful spin to his songs that we all know.

good catch purple girl

1980 makes the most sense as far as them meeting, except-when Vanity film Terror Train? Wasn't that after she met Prince?

Also, 1982 seems way to late for that Rick James cognac incident? Wasn't Prince doing the Triple Threat tour then?

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

YES! You spoke what I have been thinking and this is why I literally broke down after listening to him at the end of the one song at the Melbourne tribute. I had been listening to Revelation just before it.

I agree and I might add (this is my take) that when he says he slowly remembers it, he is talking about other lives they had in the past. That he is realizing she's been with him all along.

In the memorial/ funeral program it said that she loved and respected him until she left us. She'd said all the way through the years as well and in her book.

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

Was this the same interview where she talked about the music she listen to as a child in Canada, met MJ at the Oscars in 81 (when he was with Diana Ross)etc? I can't remember the name of the interview, but I do know that she spoke more about her career as Vanity, compared to other interviews where all she wanted to talk about was Jesus

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scriptgirl said:

1980 makes the most sense as far as them meeting, except-when Vanity film Terror Train? Wasn't that after she met Prince?

Also, 1982 seems way to late for that Rick James cognac incident? Wasn't Prince doing the Triple Threat tour then?

you're right. this from Rick James autobiography.

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"On February 1, 1980, I celebrated my thirty-second birthday. Prince and his crew crashed the party. I went over to his table, grabbed him by the back of his hair, and poured cognac down his throat. He spat it out and started crying like a baby. I laughed."

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The autograph incident happened in 1982 at Dick Clark's afterparty.

Also, Rick talked to Prince's manager about the Mary Jane Girls idea, and that's how he thinks Prince got the idea.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

I agree and I might add (this is my take) that when he says he slowly remembers it, he is talking about other lives they had in the past. That he is realizing she's been with him all along.

In the memorial/ funeral program it said that she loved and respected him until she left us. She'd said all the way through the years as well and in her book.

That's right that is this life. Prince talks about English Romantics, Hebrew, Greek Roman and Egypt. And he told her they had been the same person in other lives. And UTCM, that the two souls were one.

beachy said:

kellyna said:

So sad in a way that Prince seemed to want to always show her that he would be there for her - helping pay for some of her medical expenses over the years, sending her flowers when she was in the hospital and even the fact that he kept in contact over the years. But unfortunately I think he also contributed to her insecurities by claiming that he loved her, but then never being faithful to her. It would undermine the most confident woman in the world, I think it would be devastating to a woman who didn't think she was worthy of love. In fact, it really would confirm it for her - her love was not enough to satisfy Prince, he also had to look elsewhere. I said it earlier, these two were truly star-crossed lovers.

I kinda get the impression he didn't really fight through it except at the beginning where she said he was nurturing, later he ran off with Moonsie and Jill to assuage his ego and wrote great songs about it.

You're right- at the beginning. I almost want to forget all the running around he did but it can't be subtracted from the situation.

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I agree kellyna, that he was showing her love but at the same going out the back door. How's that for mixed signals! You can't express love to someone and then go run around on them, especially someone who does not feel worthy of love in the first place.

Goddess4Real said:

30yearfan said:

Vanity gave an interview with the blog talk internet radio station (it's on this site somewhere) where she said that she was not interested in Prince at first. She said he pursued her and was very persistent. That was the interview where she revealed they only wanted to pay her $5000 for Purple Rain. She also said something really cool. She said that when Prince played piano for her for the first time, he played classical music. She said he played Amadeus Mozart or something like that and she said "Oh my goodness". The way she said it you could tell she was blown away. She also said that Prince is nothing like the public image that he has. She said the type of music that he played on stage is not the type of music that he played in private. She also said that she encouraged him to put out an album of just piano music. I believe the interview was in 2010 and I think it is on a thread that says Denise Matthews gives an interview on christian radio or something like that. The lyrics to Dirty Mind fit that theme of him chasing and pursuing her. She also talked about how she saw a video that he did on the Muppet's show and she said she was proud of him. It really is a good interview. You can tell she knew him very well and they she had a lot of love for him still.

Was this the same interview where she talked about the music she listen to as a child in Canada, met MJ at the Oscars in 81 (when he was with Diana Ross)etc? I can't remember the name of the interview, but I do know that she spoke more about her career as Vanity, compared to other interviews where all she wanted to talk about was Jesus

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No, I don't remember anything about Diana Ross in the interview I heard. It must have been a different one.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

In the memorial/ funeral program it said that she loved and respected him until she left us. She'd said all the way through the years as well and in her book.

That's right that is this life. Prince talks about English Romantics, Hebrew, Greek Roman and Egypt. And he told her they had been the same person in other lives. And UTCM, that the two souls were one.

I was trying to make sense of this, thank you. I was looking up all of it for the symbolism, including the pharaoh's hand, but I couldn't find anything really.

30yearfan said:

Goddess4Real said:

Was this the same interview where she talked about the music she listen to as a child in Canada, met MJ at the Oscars in 81 (when he was with Diana Ross)etc? I can't remember the name of the interview, but I do know that she spoke more about her career as Vanity, compared to other interviews where all she wanted to talk about was Jesus

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No, I don't remember anything about Diana Ross in the interview I heard. It must have been a different one.

It was around 2010 because the male interviewer asked her about MJ and his influence on her as a performer, because she talked about listening to Motown artists growing. I gonna try and find this interview.

Revised Timeline:

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1979

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Vanity is shooting Terror Train in Montreal, Quebec, Canada from November 21 to December 23, 1979 with Jamie Lee Curtis and David Copperfield.

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1980

they met in 1980 at the AMAs, (Prince must have flown to LA from Denver after his warmup gig) he sent his manager over to pimp her, she's backstage as a 'model' ie pretty girl (take him to the bathroom), she demures but eventually he comes over and says come on, he takes his coat off and is starkers. When the press sees them together and asks who she is, he takes her hand and says "This is my wife..." He calls her at 3am. They go out on a double date with Morris Day (this is why he says 'Together again', he was there from the beginning almost literally).

Feb 1980

Prince opens for Rick James Fire it Up tour, they do not know each other before then, and they do not get along.

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Terror Train released October 1980

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mid to late 1980

The crisis during Dirty Mind involving a girl who is not returning his love. He has some kind of spiritual epiphany..and this becomes the basis for his 3rd film (not sure he followed through, will have to take a look at GB)

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Rick has an idea for a multiracial girl group called Mary Jane Girls and is grooming Vanity to front it. He tells Prince's manager about it. Prince steals his idea and starts to create the Hookers with Moonsie and Brenda and Jamie Shoop.

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1981

Prince threw a party after the American Music Awards Show, a year or so after the tour with Rick James, and Slick Rick brought Ms Matthews along. ‘The story goes that somehow or other Prince enticed her away from Rick,’ shrugs Dickerson; ‘and a few days later, there she was on the bus, on the road with us. One day she was Denise, and then she was Vanity, and suddenly she was a star.’"

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She's in LA/NY, he's in MPLS. She's dating Rick James and Adam Ant. He's hooking up with Susan Moonsie and Jill Jones. They are seeing each other sporadically because of his touring and home being in MPLS.

Prince gives Vanity an ultimatum to come to MPLS. he said "if you love me, you'll come with me."

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1982

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Rick James wins an award for his album Street Songs. After the AMAs Dick Clark hosts a party and Prince declines to give Rick James' mom an autograph. Rick James threatens to kick his tiny ass but Prince apologizes, thereby disappointing James who really wanted to kick his ass.Vanity joins the Controversy tour for the rest of it, already being called 'Vanity' and they work on material during the tour. She packs her stuff and moves to MPLS in April when the tour is over where they immediately start recording Vanity 6. She moves in with him at Kiowa Trail.

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I found the interview link here it is: http://prince.org/msg/5/341595

New Interview with Vanity, AKA Denise Matthews

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