scriptgirl said:

Wendy and Lisa never liked Vanity and that never changed and re Matt Fink's comments, that proves the Revolution was never down with V.

The rest of the Bangles, esp the one, can't remember her name were scared that Prince would take away Susannah and they didn't like that his attraction to her made her the focal point of press attention. I don't know how much a google search would turn up, but the Bangles had some very nasty comments put out there that were directed at Susannah and Prince. It was all over the pop magazines back in the day-Smash Hits, etc.

As far as Apples, I heard another story. One of those quickie bios that came out after Purple Rain on Prince talked about how Apples didn't exactly fit into the Minneapolis milieu. Jill implied that Apples was kind of Hollywood. Her stand in even said Apples was seriously lacking and I heard rumors, stories of certain Purple politicians laughing behind Apples' back. I find it very interesting how the Time never seemed to cotton to Apples.

And now that i think about it, it's pretty fucking strange that Apples never could get a role in another major movie other Purple Rain. I mean, not even a supporting role. That's very, very odd. It could be in part because Apples ran with that heavy metal crowd. In addition to David Lee Roth, she also dated Robin Crosby of Ratt-he later died of AIDS. There were other guys in that crowd that she dated.

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purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

how about 'promiscuous' or 'man-whore' lol

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especially between 87 and 94. He even gave off a creepy vibe in the early 90s. when he was grooming all these 16 year olds just waiting for them to turn 18. kinda disgusting.

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Were there others he was seeing that were that young? I know about Mayte but again, I didn't really follow his love life back then. I just loved the music. Look, I know he cared for Mayte. However, I never felt comfortable with his relationship with her only for the simple fact that she was far too young for him. Her mother was wrong in doing what she did. But I think Prince was wrong in courting/dating her too.

I have respect for Mayte and her grieving. I pray she has some really good people surrounding her to get through difficult time.

poor Mayte I think she never found her core, she got blitzed by prince while still a teen and now no one can live up to that.

the other really young ones waiting to turn legal were Anna Fantastic and Carmen. There were probably tons of others.

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I forgot to put Robin Power on the list. I will designate Ingrid as 'spiritual'.

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beachy said:

its like Prince himself looked his best with Vanity. After her he became a creep, screwing every chick that looked vaguely like her. When he converted he gave off a kind of prude vibe. He was just right with vanity because her passion complemented his. None of the other girls came close. No shade to them, but it was about the chemistry between Vanity and Prince.

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1000% CORRECT! Couldn't have said it better myself if I tried. He definitely gave off a creepy vibe trying to replace/ duplicate her. Trying to fit the square pegs into a circle hole.

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Also, I saw some pics of her with Nikki and while she is gorgeous as always, you almost feel the need to cut HIM out of the picture. She looked best with Prince too.

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beachy-----------------you should be a biographer, seriously.....with your investigation style, organizational skills and timelines you could make bank kiddo

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

its like Prince himself looked his best with Vanity. After her he became a creep, screwing every chick that looked vaguely like her. When he converted he gave off a kind of prude vibe. He was just right with vanity because her passion complemented his. None of the other girls came close. No shade to them, but it was about the chemistry between Vanity and Prince.

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1000% CORRECT! Couldn't have said it better myself if I tried. He definitely gave off a creepy vibe trying to replace/ duplicate her. Trying to fit the square pegs into a circle hole.

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Also, I saw some pics of her with Nikki and while she is gorgeous as always, you almost feel the need to cut HIM out of the picture. She looked best with Prince too.

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yeah its like they both looked lost and desperate after they split. There was something compulsive and insecure about Prince trying all those chicks, and Vanity really didn't have a long healthy relationship with anybody. Too bad. Together they were 'hot' and yet the coolest couple around.

GeniusLuv said:

beachy-----------------you should be a biographer, seriously.....with your investigation style, organizational skills and timelines you could make bank kiddo

lol I wish I could make some money at this thread i spent practically a month on it already lol. geez its taken a long time to get over this because Vanity and Prince were like a double whammy. And Bowie set the whole thing up.

It has been strangely therapeutic to dig through this. They were such an unbelievably attractive couple and so many people were affected by them 'as a couple'. Such a beautiful picture. The Beautiful Ones will smash it every time...

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beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

1000% CORRECT! Couldn't have said it better myself if I tried. He definitely gave off a creepy vibe trying to replace/ duplicate her. Trying to fit the square pegs into a circle hole.

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Also, I saw some pics of her with Nikki and while she is gorgeous as always, you almost feel the need to cut HIM out of the picture. She looked best with Prince too.

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yeah its like they both looked lost and desperate after they split. There was something compulsive and insecure about Prince trying all those chicks, and Vanity really didn't have a long healthy relationship with anybody. Too bad. Together they were 'hot' and yet the coolest couple around.

Definitely. There was something special there. Here is something from that recent People magazine article. I think she said this back in 1984 in the original article:

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""I never thought, 'Oh God, I'm in Prince's shadow. He'd been performing for years and he was my teacher. I miss his humor. I always felt we'd be like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor over the years. I can honestly say I love the kid." Very endearing and ironic. To me, it turned out more like he was in HER shadow.

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purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

yeah its like they both looked lost and desperate after they split. There was something compulsive and insecure about Prince trying all those chicks, and Vanity really didn't have a long healthy relationship with anybody. Too bad. Together they were 'hot' and yet the coolest couple around.

Definitely. There was something special there. Here is something from that recent People magazine article. I think she said this back in 1984 in the original article:

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""I never thought, 'Oh God, I'm in Prince's shadow. He'd been performing for years and he was my teacher. I miss his humor. I always felt we'd be like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor over the years. I can honestly say I love the kid." Very endearing and ironic. To me, it turned out more like he was in HER shadow.

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It's as if her death and his grief, then his death and now our mulling over it, has put them back together so the world is right again. The only thing I wish I had is some video of them together. I have never seen them in the flesh together, interacting with each other or at an event except for when she presented the award to them in 1985 and all we really saw is him give her a peck on the cheek for a split second. I would love to see them talking together.

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beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

Definitely. There was something special there. Here is something from that recent People magazine article. I think she said this back in 1984 in the original article:

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""I never thought, 'Oh God, I'm in Prince's shadow. He'd been performing for years and he was my teacher. I miss his humor. I always felt we'd be like Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor over the years. I can honestly say I love the kid." Very endearing and ironic. To me, it turned out more like he was in HER shadow.

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It's as if her death and his grief, then his death and now our mulling over it, has put them back together so the world is right again. The only thing I wish I had is some video of them together. I have never seen them in the flesh together, interacting with each other or at an event except for when she presented the award to them in 1985 and all we really saw is him give her a peck on the cheek for a split second. I would love to see them talking together.

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Yes, our mulling it over for a month, has brought them back together as far as this world goes. We know they are together in the next one. I wish too, that we could see live interaction. We just have whatever little from and here and there. I will say, I did VERY much enjoy the description of their meeting, that you posted, from her book. I could picture it.

cool, you might enjoy this too, its from DMSR book, and it has another version of the initial meeting but what I really like about this acount is at the bottom of the page she talks about how nurturing he was at first. And how expressive and warm he was as a lover on the next page. I think that first year of 1982 was pretty great for them. It seemed to go downhill on the 1999 tour at the end of 1982. I don't know whether her meeting with Adam Ant triggered his behavior or whether his behavior triggered hers. But combined with his 'star' behavior by April they were fighting too much. I think the song WDC explained it. Any way hope you like it too.

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beachy said:

cool, you might enjoy this too, its from DMSR book, and it has another version of the initial meeting but what I really like about this acount is at the bottom of the page she talks about how nurturing he was at first. And how expressive and warm he was as a lover on the next page. I think that first year of 1982 was pretty great for them. It seemed to go downhill on the 1999 tour at the end of 1982. I don't know whether her meeting with Adam Ant triggered his behavior or whether his behavior triggered hers. But combined with his 'star' behavior by April they were fighting too much. I think the song WDC explained it. Any way hope you like it too.

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Thanks for the info, isn't it funny with most of these Prince tributes etc they claim that Prince met Vanity in 1980, 1981 or 1982, which is the correct date.....my guess is 1981.

beachy said:

cool, you might enjoy this too, its from DMSR book, and it has another version of the initial meeting but what I really like about this acount is at the bottom of the page she talks about how nurturing he was at first. And how expressive and warm he was as a lover on the next page. I think that first year of 1982 was pretty great for them. It seemed to go downhill on the 1999 tour at the end of 1982. I don't know whether her meeting with Adam Ant triggered his behavior or whether his behavior triggered hers. But combined with his 'star' behavior by April they were fighting too much. I think the song WDC explained it. Any way hope you like it too.

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THANK YOU, THANK YOU! That was great! I hope as time passes and people heal, we'll hear/see more behind the scenes stuff about them.

Goddess I agree I think it was 1981. Maybe through Rick James because she was going to be in HIS girl group. Then for a year they were dating off and on because Prince was in MPLS. At the 1982 AMA they got it together and he gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS and be a star or go away. And so she travelled with them on the Controversy tour then moved in with him in MPLS. I also think the story about him taking off his coat and being naked underneath is true. All his pickup lines were structured around that trick lol.

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Maybe they doctored the story so as not to hurt Susan's feelings who was also supposedly 'engaged' with a ring in 1981 to Prince. Or it could have been because she was dating Adam Ant. I don't know where he learned his seduction techniques but I think it was from his half brother Alfred.

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beachy said:

Goddess I agree I think it was 1981. Maybe through Rick James because she was going to be in HIS girl group. Then for a year they were dating off and on because Prince was in MPLS. At the 1982 AMA they got it together and he gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS and be a star or go away. And so she travelled with them on the Controversy tour then moved in with him in MPLS. I also think the story about him taking off his coat and being naked underneath is true. All his pickup lines were structured around that trick lol.

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Maybe they doctored the story so as not to hurt Susan's feelings who was also supposedly 'engaged' with a ring in 1981 to Prince. Or it could have been because she was dating Adam Ant. I don't know where he learned his seduction techniques but I think it was from his half brother Alfred.

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Thanks , I thought it was 81 because she said during the Carson or Letterman interviews that she was with him for 2 and a half years, so 1982 doesn't add up here are the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAqERyPDkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEVgnEtj0g

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beachy said:

Goddess I agree I think it was 1981. Maybe through Rick James because she was going to be in HIS girl group. Then for a year they were dating off and on because Prince was in MPLS. At the 1982 AMA they got it together and he gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS and be a star or go away. And so she travelled with them on the Controversy tour then moved in with him in MPLS. I also think the story about him taking off his coat and being naked underneath is true. All his pickup lines were structured around that trick lol.

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Maybe they doctored the story so as not to hurt Susan's feelings who was also supposedly 'engaged' with a ring in 1981 to Prince. Or it could have been because she was dating Adam Ant. I don't know where he learned his seduction techniques but I think it was from his half brother Alfred.

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Me too. Hey, she walked out of there as his "wife".

Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

Goddess I agree I think it was 1981. Maybe through Rick James because she was going to be in HIS girl group. Then for a year they were dating off and on because Prince was in MPLS. At the 1982 AMA they got it together and he gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS and be a star or go away. And so she travelled with them on the Controversy tour then moved in with him in MPLS. I also think the story about him taking off his coat and being naked underneath is true. All his pickup lines were structured around that trick lol.

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Maybe they doctored the story so as not to hurt Susan's feelings who was also supposedly 'engaged' with a ring in 1981 to Prince. Or it could have been because she was dating Adam Ant. I don't know where he learned his seduction techniques but I think it was from his half brother Alfred.

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Thanks , I thought it was 81 because she said during the Carson or Letterman interviews that she was with him for 2 and a half years, so 1982 doesn't add up here are the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAqERyPDkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEVgnEtj0g

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I'm watching Denise preaching (video) right now. It's the 2014 Kingdom Women of the Year Recognition Award. She is HILARIOUS, beautiful, and very insightful, but when she refers to the past, her timeline is off too. Here's what I think, the timelines are off because there was meet-ups/hook-ups after the break-up throughout the years. That is why I think she gets mixed up and can't remember.

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About when they met, the confusion was created to not hurt Susan. I can't see why else there is no consistency about it.

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Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

Goddess I agree I think it was 1981. Maybe through Rick James because she was going to be in HIS girl group. Then for a year they were dating off and on because Prince was in MPLS. At the 1982 AMA they got it together and he gave her an ultimatum to come to MPLS and be a star or go away. And so she travelled with them on the Controversy tour then moved in with him in MPLS. I also think the story about him taking off his coat and being naked underneath is true. All his pickup lines were structured around that trick lol.

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Maybe they doctored the story so as not to hurt Susan's feelings who was also supposedly 'engaged' with a ring in 1981 to Prince. Or it could have been because she was dating Adam Ant. I don't know where he learned his seduction techniques but I think it was from his half brother Alfred.

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Thanks , I thought it was 81 because she said during the Carson or Letterman interviews that she was with him for 2 and a half years, so 1982 doesn't add up here are the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAqERyPDkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEVgnEtj0g

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yes i remember that and it stuck with me, too!

beachy said:

Goddess4Real said:

Thanks , I thought it was 81 because she said during the Carson or Letterman interviews that she was with him for 2 and a half years, so 1982 doesn't add up here are the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtAqERyPDkw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nEVgnEtj0g

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yes i remember that and it stuck with me, too!

Prince and Denise met in Jan 1980 at the American Music Awards. The meeting date was in her funeral program and there is an interview in the 80's where she says she met him in 1980. The song Dirty Mind is about her. Prince talked about her during the Oakland show in Feb. Before he played Dirty Mind he talked about how there was one girl in particular. He even mimicked her dancing to this song and told the audience that was how she used to dance to this song. That part of his show is available online. I came across an interesting tidbit on another site. There was a real estate guy who toured Prince's properties in 1989 ( he has the pictures to prove it), and he talked about the famous purple house. Prince's dad was living in it at the time. He talked about the first thing that he noticed about the house was that in the concrete walkway when you come to the front door Vanity's name had been etched in the stone.

beachy said:

blue22 said:

Denise said that she left because of money (it was in the Playboy interview). I guess that was a part of it. Maybe pride too. One of the band members, I think it was Fink said in an interview that she wanted more money but had no experience as an actress.

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Reading this excellent thread it has made me think about the money issue with Prince. We've heard lots of people talk about him not paying much. Jimmy Jam said they were paid $170 per week. That sounds terrible to me. Sheila E's deal when she toured with him was that she paid for everything, so she ended up owing him over a million dollars, which she said she paid back.

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At the height of their career, the Revolution had to make a ton of money, but maybe they didn't.

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But he tends to fall out with people over money.

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Does anyone else know what Prince's issue with money was?

Money was a huge problem for almost everyone who worked with him. They wouldn't get paid at all or get paid peanuts. He did say at some point that he grew up so poor that he barely survived and I bet that played into it but maybe also he actually played music for art not money, so in some ways he was not focused on money. And because he went from zero to huge money overnight, never figured out how to live in the middle?

Thanks for this. Yeah I thought for some reason money was an issue. Its really interesting to me because he made so much money!

kellyna said:

blue22 said:

Denise said that she left because of money (it was in the Playboy interview). I guess that was a part of it. Maybe pride too. One of the band members, I think it was Fink said in an interview that she wanted more money but had no experience as an actress.

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Reading this excellent thread it has made me think about the money issue with Prince. We've heard lots of people talk about him not paying much. Jimmy Jam said they were paid $170 per week. That sounds terrible to me. Sheila E's deal when she toured with him was that she paid for everything, so she ended up owing him over a million dollars, which she said she paid back.

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At the height of their career, the Revolution had to make a ton of money, but maybe they didn't.

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But he tends to fall out with people over money.

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Does anyone else know what Prince's issue with money was?

Well this comment is not true

"One of the band members, I think it was Fink said in an interview that she wanted more money but had no experience as an actress" as Denise had already done 3 or 4 movies before she met Prince. And it really seems like Prince was not being fair about what he was paying people generally. By comparison, Vanity made $100,000 for the next movie she made after she left PRN - so it's clear that offering her $5000 for Purple Rain was really not a very clear offer.

Fink said it. However, what he said may not be true. I agree with you that Vanity had done movies before and we have proof of that.

beachy said:

endiadj said:

^that's what i thought. it seemed that prince was being held accountable for the salaries for the film and supporting acts made as if he was funding everything himself.

yeah, I guess all they saw was this guy in a limo making milions while they couldn't pay the rent. The managers and label are going to put the investment in the star not the supporting act. Prince busted his butt to get where he was, not just on the guitar but he realized he would have to stoke controversy and sell sex and he was willing and others like Dez and Andre were not so willing. Vanity I think could have made it had she been tougher like Madonna. but sadly I think her insecurities were triggered by Prince.

So true (on the bold above). If she had held out, just like Dez and Andre could have done, they all would have hit big, in popularity. I'm still not sure about the money aspect. The Revolution were iconic. When they all walked across that stage to get that AMA in '85, I got chills. Just the way he staged it all, he let them walk up first, and then he went behind them. The clothes, Chick up there too. It was everything!

beachy said:

its like Prince himself looked his best with Vanity. After her he became a creep, screwing every chick that looked vaguely like her. When he converted he gave off a kind of prude vibe. He was just right with vanity because her passion complemented his. None of the other girls came close. No shade to them, but it was about the chemistry between Vanity and Prince.

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Absolutely 100%. The 2 of them just looked right together. Its such a shame that there aren't videos or more pictures of them together interacting.

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There could be video in the vault. Could Vanity have been in the film The Dawn, that he never finished, in 1982? Susan Moonsie's in it.

scriptgirl said:

There could be video in the vault. Could Vanity have been in the film The Dawn, that he never finished, in 1982? Susan Moonsie's in it.

OHHH, that's a good point. It's exciting to think what is in there.

beachy said:

cool, you might enjoy this too, its from DMSR book, and it has another version of the initial meeting but what I really like about this acount is at the bottom of the page she talks about how nurturing he was at first. And how expressive and warm he was as a lover on the next page. I think that first year of 1982 was pretty great for them. It seemed to go downhill on the 1999 tour at the end of 1982. I don't know whether her meeting with Adam Ant triggered his behavior or whether his behavior triggered hers. But combined with his 'star' behavior by April they were fighting too much. I think the song WDC explained it. Any way hope you like it too.

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Beachy you really should be paid some royalties from Nilsen.

No seriously, I lent my copy to someone and it was never returned, so I found one just last year and it was 80 Euros. Silly money but worth it. Considering that its triple that now I got a bargain

30yearfan said:

paintsprayer said:

paintsprayer said:

I’ve just joined this forum as I’ve been fascinated by this thread. Thanks, you’ve provided a comfort as his death has had an effect on me that I didn’t expect. I followed his music and have been to his gigs but I never really paid that much attention to his personal life and you can now see what a huge driver it was to his songwriting. This post relates to 1986/87 re Vanity, Prince and Nikki Sixx and the song, Adore. No offence is intended.

Prince dedicated Adore to Vanity at the Melbourne concert. That’s very telling. It’s a declaration of love song, it has personal references and it’s obviously about her. It would appear that he was pursuing her at the time Adore was written/released in 86/87, which isn’t surprising, particularly given the nature of the song. And it worked. Nikki and Vanity broke up and the marriage didn’t go ahead. How real/serious that engagement was who knows? The engagement may have just been a way to mislead the press, muddy the waters and defuse any speculation re who Adore’s about, and if that was the case, Nikki was just a pawn in the drama going down between Vanity and Prince.

At the same time, the Paisley Park build is completed and by October, Prince is recording love songs (When 2 R In Love) and then he decides he doesn’t want to release a ‘dark’ album (The Black Album) he wants to write LoveSexy instead.

All of this raises the question of whether Prince and Vanity got back together then and it would appear they did. For how long is unknown. Between July 1987 until her marriage on Mar 26, 1995, everyone they’re linked to could just be spin (pure speculation/fiction/press manipulation/media diversion) as a cover for them so they can keep their independence, privacy and have an arrangement/relationship that suits them. Most of these people are work colleagues after all. Maybe her drug use at that time has nothing to do with Prince or him being unfaithful either, but instead, she has a habit and it’s a heavy part of the scene she’s in. Really anything could have been going on with Prince and Vanity over the years…and it may not be what many have been led to believe.

I also think he started to be more open before he died because they covered their tracks too well and that’s not how he wants his relationship with Denise to be remembered. He loved her. He wants her to be more closely associated with him. I guess his book ‘The Beautiful Ones’ (if it comes out) will shed more light.

Adore:
-Adore was recorded in LA on Nov 19, 1986. It’s about Vanity and his love for her.
-Prince was pursuing Vanity behind the scenes in Jan 1987 and asking her to come back to him (per Nikki’s book)

-21 Jan Nikki discovers Prince has sent Vanity 24 dozen roses. He confronts Vanity about who they’re from and she won't say. He reads the card, "Drop him. Take me back." Nikki is furious.
-31 Mar Adore was released on the Sign O’ The Times album. Adore got major radio play (it’s #2 on a ranking of Prince’s best songs by AOL Radio) but it wasn’t released as a single/promo which in of itself is unusual, as why wouldn’t you be making this a single if there’s a huge demand for it? It was clearly a personal song and there was no desire to turn it into a ‘commercial’ hit. Also, being such a popular song and album and with his profile, there’d have to be speculation in the press about who the song was about too - I’d imagine that would fall heavily on Vanity as she was more accessible to the media and she seemed to be the go-to-girl for all matters regarding Prince as he often wouldn’t talk.
-16 Apr Vanity proposes to Nikki. Their engagement is kept a secret.
-Prince does the Sign O’ The Times Tour in Europe May 8-June 29, 1987. Adore’s performed once on 29/5/87.
-In June, Vanity’s engagement to Nikki is leaked to the press.
-14 July, Vanity goes to MPLS for Nikki’s gig but stays at the hotel rather than seeing his show. Prince is in MPLS. W Bros and Prince’s management want Prince to extend to a world tour and he refuses. He says he wants to go into the studio and record his new album.

-16 July Nikki leaves (he’s on tour) and Vanity stays in MPLS. Nikki assumes she’ll hook up with (Dozen Roses Boy) Prince.
-18-24 July Prince films scenes at PP for Sign O’ The Times.
-9 Aug Nikki says he hasn't spoken to Vanity in a couple of weeks.
-14-23 Aug Vanity visits Nikki in NY. She doesn't spend much time with him.

-26 Aug Nikki breaks up with Vanity over the phone. When the press finds out is unknown but presumably when they fight in September it’s still not public knowledge.

-5 Sept Prince plays a HitnRun concert in MNPS.
-9 Sept Nikki gets home from tour and Vanity had trashed his place.
-11 Sept Prince films a short segment for the MTV awards in LA and then plays an aftershow at a country club. Nikki arrives home and Vanity jumps out at him, out of nowhere. They fight and Vanity says, “Hit me if you hate me!" and he knocks her out cold. He throws her out to the guy in the waiting limo.
-15 Sept Vanity comes over to see Nikki and says she is sorry. They agree to be friends.

-Adore was played in 80 sets in 87/88/89 (29/5/87, 18/11/87 and 1988/89 LoveSexy tour). It’s reintroduced into his setlist across 96/97/98 and is played in it’s heaviest rotation (101 sets) from Nov 21 1996 thru 1997 to Dec 15 1998. It pops up on and off from then and is included in 2002 One Nite Alone, 2004 Musicology, 2011 Welcome2America and the final 2016 tours.

The Black Album:
-It was recorded as a compilation of individual ‘dark’ tracks (as opposed to a thematic album) between Sept 1986-Mar 1987.
-In Oct 1997, Prince revisits The Black Album and records the final song for the album at PP ‘When 2 R In Love’. It’s very different to the other tracks - it’s a love song. The album is then prepared for release.
-On Dec 1st, The Black Album is shelved. When 2 R in Love goes into the LoveSexy Album. The rest of the LoveSexy Album was recorded mid Dec 1987-late Jan 1988.

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Timeline:
Beachy (How depressed was he about Vanity? Reply#547)
Nikki Sixx autobiography Heroin diaries, The Vault by Pers Nilsen, PrinceVault

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Update: (links to Reply #1848 29/5/16)

On 29 May 2016, I stumbled across the following article which confirms the assumptions on this post regarding Prince's management team and their frustration with Prince regarding the singles that were chosen for release off the Sign O' The Times album, his reluctance to extend the tour and why he postponed the Black Album.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/prince-insider-alan-leeds-on-purple-rain-hysteria-warner-bros-clash-20160426?page=11

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[Edited 5/31/16 5:19am]

Sunnygirl welcome and thanks for filling in details. I'm glad this thread is helping others with their grief too.

If Prince recorded Adore in LA in Nov, then had an awful Thanksgiving with Susannah and Rogers, then Susannah moved back to LA in Dec, I wonder if their breakup had to do with him pursuing Vanity even earlier than Jan maybe in Nov. Just speculating, but would explain the effort to make Vanity invisible historically. Might have been humiliating for SM. The song Wally might have been about Vanity not SM.

The lines about 'you own my heart and mind' (after she said she didn't know who owned his heart) and about her beauty seem to fit Vanity precisely. And the way he dwelled on the song in Melbourne while paying tribute to her confirmed for me.

I wondered if her engagement drove him nuts. She went on Arsenio Hall in June 87 and flashed that huge diamond ring. We know even from other relationships with women that he could not tolerate his girl showing any interest in another guy. Maybe that is why he went into his really black period. It looks to me that for some reason it didn't work out between them. Maybe his jealousy got in the way. Remember SM was seen at his gig in MPLS in Sept. Either she was there on her own trying to woo him back or out of jealousy to Vanity's engagement Prince invited her there. It was also the time PP had just been finished.

I interpreted his dark mood of 87 as being a reaction to her engagement plus a frustration with the bad reviews on UTCM and financial problems. Nothing seemed to be going well.

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30yearfan said:

beachy said:

yes i remember that and it stuck with me, too!

Prince and Denise met in Jan 1980 at the American Music Awards. The meeting date was in her funeral program and there is an interview in the 80's where she says she met him in 1980. The song Dirty Mind is about her. Prince talked about her during the Oakland show in Feb. Before he played Dirty Mind he talked about how there was one girl in particular. He even mimicked her dancing to this song and told the audience that was how she used to dance to this song. That part of his show is available online. I came across an interesting tidbit on another site. There was a real estate guy who toured Prince's properties in 1989 ( he has the pictures to prove it), and he talked about the famous purple house. Prince's dad was living in it at the time. He talked about the first thing that he noticed about the house was that in the concrete walkway when you come to the front door Vanity's name had been etched in the stone.

Interesting. I can't make the dates add up because the story kept changing so I went mostly by her words in that interview where she said 2 -1/2 years off and on counting backwards from mid 1983. If you can give us some links or tell us where to look that would be awesome. Rick James said in his autobiography that he didn't meet Prince until their tour in Feb '80. He mentions that Prince stole his girl group idea in early 82. There is also the alternate story about them meeting in a club, which is how the PR movie portrayed it. Prince got the house you mention end of 1980/early 1981.