Thanks for validating our work 30yearfan. I needed to hear that.

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A few loose ends to tie up, for whomever may want to know.

After Adam Ant and Vanity were photographed in Feb 1983, Prince got upset and had a tantrum in a hotel because Vanity wanted to have lunch with Ant.

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Vanity's romantic history, as far as I have been able to piece it together from various sources and photographs:

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before 1980 photographer Daniel Poulin, Montreal

1980/81 Rick James, Adam Ant
1981 AMA Jan - attends with James, meets Prince, they date off and on for a year

1982 Jan /1983 (summer) Goes on tour with Prince, moves to MPLS, joins Vanity6, co-writes PR

1983 Feb - Adam Ant (song "Vanity" by AA later that year)

1983 Albert Magnoli (dir of PR), Andre Cymone, Micki Free (Shalamar), BrownMark
1984 Robbie Bruce ("Strap On 'Robbie Baby'" song)
1985 spring - Billy Idol
1985 James Debarge (caught by Janet Jackson in dressing room of award ceremony doing drugs)

1985 John Stamos (pictured at afterparty for Last Dragon)
1986 May-87 Sept - Nikki Sixx
1990 Michael Bolton
1995 Feb, married March - 1996 Anthony Smith (married)
late 90s photo of her on her website with a younger man

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Fun fact: When Vanity left MPLS she had signed with Barry Gordy at Motown, who gave her a jaguar XJS.

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GeniusLuv said:

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said: This thread has surely brought me some good laughs. Good for healing and, the eventual, moving on we're all gonna have to do. The little big legend has been gone one month today but that is how time passes. I've learned a lot more about Prince (and Denise) than I thought I would ever be interested in that time. If I turn out to be wrong about love/tragic story of him and Denise(Vanity), I'll gladly eat crow!

I hear that. I actually feel at this time, this is just all so pointless, because they are both gone..so what does it matter anymore? And the who said what, did what and to whom. Diaries and songs..its not brining anyone back and the ONLY two who reeeeeally know the truth are Prince and Denise. So maybe its time to just let them both rest.

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It has been a month today that he is gone and 3 months that she is gone...so hopefully they are both resting and having a good chuckle at all that has transpired here.

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RIP Beautiful Ones

Yes, they are both gone and not coming back and there is probably a lot more that we will never know about, which is fine. I hope they are resting in heaven together and laughing at all of this attention.

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I don't think it's been pointless though to discuss the possible impact of Denise's death on his own. Prince was mysterious and private to a large degree. This is why I think the women were so drawn to him (besides his fantastic hot self). But, I also think it did make him look a bit superficial and hard to figure out. Now, maybe not all his songs were autobiographical, but I feel to a large extent they were. This is how he was able to keep his life private but yet express his feelings of what was going on his life. I know I am not making sense.

beachy said:

Thanks for validating our work 30yearfan. I needed to hear that.

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A few loose ends to tie up, for whomever may want to know.

After Adam Ant and Vanity were photographed in Feb 1983, Prince got upset and had a tantrum in a hotel because Vanity wanted to have lunch with Ant.

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Vanity's romantic history, as far as I have been able to piece it together from various sources and photographs:

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before 1980 photographer Daniel Poulin, Montreal

1980/81 Rick James
1981 AMA Jan - meets Prince, they date off and on

1981, 1983 Adam Ant (song "Vanity" by AA)
1982/83 (summer) Goes on tour with Prince, moves to MPLS, joins Vanity6, co-writes PR

1983 Albert Magnoli, Andre Cymone, Micky Freeh, BrownMark
1984 Robbie Bruce ("Strap On 'Robbie Baby'" song)
1985 spring - Billy Idol
1985 James Debarge (caught by Janet Jackson in dressing room of award ceremony doing drugs) 985 John Stamos (pictured at afterparty for Last
1986-87 Nikki Sixx
1990 Michael Bolton
1995 - 96 Anthony Smith (married)
late 90s photo of her on her website with a younger man

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Fun fact: When Vanity left MPLS she had signed with Barry Gordy at Motown, who gave her a jaguar XJS.

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Michael Bolton on this list too? Wow! I didn't know about Robbie Bruce either (the connection with the song makes 100% sense).

wizardtelly said:

I think it is just the way we have chosen to grieve. We may never really know the full truth between Prince and anyone he was romantically involved with like either of his wives, Denise, and so on. But, I must say it brings about some closure. I notice many Mayte supporters on both the forum and Instagram, Twitter, and so on consistently bash these ideas and furthermore call people analyzing or wondering pathetic, or "trolls" which is pretty sad. Prince shaped the lives of many of us so in some way we must wonder about his life. There are courses in universities dedicated to the lives of artists, there are films, documentaries, dissertations, and more which analyze important artistic figures. I think we are being as respectful as possible because we note repetitively that Prince is not someone that many of us had the pleasure of meeting or having significance in his life. I think this strikes an importance because of the context and the man behind the vanity that he was searching for. Yes, he was music, but one must ask: what was it behind the music that made you and shaped you? It is quite a shame, I find, seeing many Mayte supporters angry at this and expressing hateful opinions on a lot of these threads that are focusing on his life/music during and after and before that time. I have been grieving because I always wished to play in his band, I thought it was possible because he had an eye for young talent. More or less, this thread makes a lot of sense and I would love to learn more, hear more insights. There have got to be reasons why Morris Day, and others who knew him pair them together even in their ends.

That has to be really hard! I'm sorry.

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Jimmy Jam and Morris Day were close to him and in his camp early on. Both of them grew up with Prince. They probably know him quite well. Out of all the women Prince has been with over the years, she is the one who stood out to them. Morris Day on three separate occasions, since Prince's death has posted a picture of them together, and even yesterday or the day before posted a picture of Vanity 6. He is truly in grieving mode but I also think he is, perhaps, expressing thoughts on a possible reason for his passing. Again, this is my own opinion and not fact. I hope to hear from of the others who spent time with Prince in the last days. There are a few who have been mum. That is due I'm sure to the ongoing investigation, and for Prince's privacy. So we will see what comes out in the weeks, months, and even years down the road from of these people who were in his inner circle.

Another key witness, besides Morris, for me would be Carmen Electra.

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http://www.etonline.com/news/187543_the_real_prince_according_to_those_who_knew_him_best/

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After meeting in 1991, Electra was rumored to have been romantically involved with her mentor. But speaking with her after his death, she believed that another woman was his true soulmate.

"I know 'Purple Rain' is about Vanity. She left, so she wasn't in the movie, but she was supposed to be the lead role in the movie," Electra said of the Vanity 6 lead singer, whose real name was Denise Matthews and was another one of Prince’s great loves. "I always felt like they're soulmates. It's so interesting that they both passed at 57."

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Carmen is a good witness because she was around when the whole Nona Gaye and Mayte things were going down. She lived with Prince for a few years in the 90s, from 91 to 93. And continued a sexual and profeessional relationship into late 1994.

She might have been privy to how Prince reacted to Denise's conversion and her overdose, and she was around for alot of the album 'Come'. She went on tour with him, when Mayte joined and Nona visited. It was like a menage a quatre.

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And more recently she not only hooked up with him in 2013 but they were seen together at a few of his concerts at end of Dec 2013 and together at the afterparty VIP section (Mohegun CT this concert http://www.popmatters.com...egan-sun/) . So she has had a good overview, and should know who had his heart, because she's no dummy and she was the object of Prince's attention for several years, and they were still friends now. She could have easily spun it that she herself was the one. By the way she never even met Vanity so she must have figured this out perhaps Prince confided in her at some point or she closely observed him when she lived with him.

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beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Another key witness, besides Morris, for me would be Carmen Electra.

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http://www.etonline.com/news/187543_the_real_prince_according_to_those_who_knew_him_best/

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After meeting in 1991, Electra was rumored to have been romantically involved with her mentor. But speaking with her after his death, she believed that another woman was his true soulmate.

"I know 'Purple Rain' is about Vanity. She left, so she wasn't in the movie, but she was supposed to be the lead role in the movie," Electra said of the Vanity 6 lead singer, whose real name was Denise Matthews and was another one of Prince’s great loves. "I always felt like they're soulmates. It's so interesting that they both passed at 57."

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Carmen is a good witness because she was around when the whole Nona Gaye and Mayte things were going down. She lived with Prince for a few years in the 90s, from 91 to 93. And continued a sexual and profeessional relationship into late 1994.

She might have been privy to how Prince reacted to Denise's conversion and her overdose, and she was around for alot of the album 'Come'. She went on tour with him, when Mayte joined and Nona visited. It was like a menage a quatre.

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And more recently she not only hooked up with him in 2013 but they were seen together at a few of his concerts at end of Dec 2013 and together at the afterparty VIP section (Mohegun CT this concert http://www.popmatters.com...egan-sun/) . So she has had a good overview, and should know who had his heart, because she's no dummy and she was the object of Prince's attention for several years, and they were still friends now. She could have easily spun it that she herself was the one. By the way she never even met Vanity so she must have figured this out perhaps Prince confided in her at some point or she closely observed him when she lived with him.

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I forgot about what Carmen said! I agree- either he confided or somehow let on what he was feeling. I think if our thinking is right, more close people will speak.

And Carmen became neighbors and close friends with Apollonia in the late 90s. Apollonia even produced a Las Vegas show for Carmen, so I am sure she has some backstory from her. At least what the deal was on the set of PR.

And the British VJ Club MTV Downtown Julie Brown said his love for her was undeniable. She worked closely with Prince and his band in the late 80s (85 -92) when she had her MTV program and remained in contact. She also hosted E Entertainment's gossip show on TV.

Hahn has said he will update his book. I guess we will see more books come out over the next few years just as there was for MJ. But I also think people are holding back slightly out of respect for Sheila E, the exwives, and anyone from his girlfriend list who is grieving.

and for anyone who cares, the romantic history of Apollonia was

1980 - 85 married to Greg Patschull

1984 she was seeing David Lee Roth so perhaps she was separated from Greg Patschull

1987 -97 she was married to Kevin Bernhardt (General Hospital)

You can find her comments about dating DLR and Prince here

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20134538,00.html

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"But Prince, who had recently split from his previous protégée Vanity, "was looking for not just a leading lady in a film but a leading lady in his life." Although she insists she and Prince "never had a relationship," Apollonia admits she acquiesced to his demands that she break up with her then-boyfriend, Van Halen lead singer David Lee Roth. "Prince didn't want me to be known for dating someone famous," she says. "He made me promise I wouldn't date anyone publicly during promotion of the film.""

so technically they did not have a relationship - but that does not mean they didn't have a short fling, which is also what Hahn's book possessed claims they did. Hahn said Prince wanted to show Vanity that she was replaceable, and paraded Apollonia in front of her at the nightclub. Prince was mostly concerned about projecting the image of being successful with the ladies, so he didn't want press about her seeing another guy.

In 1985 when she left MPLS she got a 10 week gig on Falcon Crest.

Later she put out another album (after A6) on her own called simply Apollonia.

more from the article about her and Carmen.

"Divorced since 1997, Apollonia says that for the time being she's happy focusing on her work and hanging out with friends like Electra, whom she met when Electra moved in next door—by chance—to her L.A. townhouse in 1998. But they never discuss you know who. "You'd think we would," says Electra, "but we don't. We have our own friendship." (yeah right)

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30yearfan said:

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: I forgot about what Carmen said! I agree- either he confided or somehow let on what he was feeling. I think if our thinking is right, more close people will speak.

And Carmen became neighbors and close friends with Apollonia in the late 90s. Apollonia even produced a Las Vegas show for Carmen, so I am sure she has some backstory from her. At least what the deal was on the set of PR.

And the British VJ Club MTV Downtown Julie Brown said his love for her was undeniable. She worked closely with Prince and his band in the late 80s (85 -92) when she had her MTV program and remained in contact. She also hosted E Entertainment's gossip show on TV.

Hahn has said he will update his book. I guess we will see more books come out over the next few years just as there was for MJ. But I also think people are holding back slightly out of respect for Sheila E, the exwives, and anyone from his girlfriend list who is grieving.

and for anyone who cares, the romantic history of Apollonia was

1980 - 85 married to Greg Patschull

1984 she was seeing David Lee Roth so perhaps she was separated from Greg Patschull

1987 -97 she was married to Kevin Bernhardt (General Hospital)

You can find her comments about dating DLR and Prince here

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20134538,00.html

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"But Prince, who had recently split from his previous protégée Vanity, "was looking for not just a leading lady in a film but a leading lady in his life." Although she insists she and Prince "never had a relationship," Apollonia admits she acquiesced to his demands that she break up with her then-boyfriend, Van Halen lead singer David Lee Roth. "Prince didn't want me to be known for dating someone famous," she says. "He made me promise I wouldn't date anyone publicly during promotion of the film.""

so technically they did not have a relationship - but that does not mean they didn't have a short fling, which is also what Hahn's book possessed claims they did. Hahn said Prince wanted to show Vanity that she was replaceable, and paraded Apollonia in front of her at the nightclub. Prince was mostly concerned about projecting the image of being successful with the ladies, so he didn't want press about her seeing another guy.

In 1985 when she left MPLS she got a 10 week gig on Falcon Crest.

Later she put out another album (after A6) on her own called simply Apollonia.

more from the article about her and Carmen.

"Divorced since 1997, Apollonia says that for the time being she's happy focusing on her work and hanging out with friends like Electra, whom she met when Electra moved in next door—by chance—to her L.A. townhouse in 1998. But they never discuss you know who. "You'd think we would," says Electra, "but we don't. We have our own friendship." (yeah right)

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Yeah right is RIGHT. I am interested in what Apollonia will say. Her last post on FB/Twitter was almost week after Prince's passing (I haven't checked in the last few days) . She did say when the time was appropriate she would share what was in her heart and her truth. She's in mourning and I'm sure not speaking until at least the investigation is through. So we'll have to wait but I do think she'll have some insight.

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beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: I forgot about what Carmen said! I agree- either he confided or somehow let on what he was feeling. I think if our thinking is right, more close people will speak.

And Carmen became neighbors and close friends with Apollonia in the late 90s. Apollonia even produced a Las Vegas show for Carmen, so I am sure she has some backstory from her. At least what the deal was on the set of PR.

And the British VJ Club MTV Downtown Julie Brown said his love for her was undeniable. She worked closely with Prince and his band in the late 80s (85 -92) when she had her MTV program and remained in contact. She also hosted E Entertainment's gossip show on TV.

Hahn has said he will update his book. I guess we will see more books come out over the next few years just as there was for MJ. But I also think people are holding back slightly out of respect for Sheila E, the exwives, and anyone from his girlfriend list who is grieving.

and for anyone who cares, the romantic history of Apollonia was

1980 - 85 married to Greg Patschull

1984 she was seeing David Lee Roth so perhaps she was separated from Greg Patschull

1987 -97 she was married to Kevin Bernhardt (General Hospital)

You can find her comments about dating DLR and Prince here

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20134538,00.html

.

"But Prince, who had recently split from his previous protégée Vanity, "was looking for not just a leading lady in a film but a leading lady in his life." Although she insists she and Prince "never had a relationship," Apollonia admits she acquiesced to his demands that she break up with her then-boyfriend, Van Halen lead singer David Lee Roth. "Prince didn't want me to be known for dating someone famous," she says. "He made me promise I wouldn't date anyone publicly during promotion of the film.""

so technically they did not have a relationship - but that does not mean they didn't have a short fling, which is also what Hahn's book possessed claims they did. Hahn said Prince wanted to show Vanity that she was replaceable, and paraded Apollonia in front of her at the nightclub. Prince was mostly concerned about projecting the image of being successful with the ladies, so he didn't want press about her seeing another guy.

In 1985 when she left MPLS she got a 10 week gig on Falcon Crest.

Later she put out another album (after A6) on her own called simply Apollonia.

more from the article about her and Carmen.

"Divorced since 1997, Apollonia says that for the time being she's happy focusing on her work and hanging out with friends like Electra, whom she met when Electra moved in next door—by chance—to her L.A. townhouse in 1998. But they never discuss you know who. "You'd think we would," says Electra, "but we don't. We have our own friendship." (yeah right)

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Completely understandable. No matter whether Denise's death "ricocheted" (as Downtown Julie Brown put it) or not and impacted his, there are still quite a few women mourning out there and it is important to be respectful of that.

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Thanks for validating our work 30yearfan. I needed to hear that.

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A few loose ends to tie up, for whomever may want to know.

After Adam Ant and Vanity were photographed in Feb 1983, Prince got upset and had a tantrum in a hotel because Vanity wanted to have lunch with Ant.

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Vanity's romantic history, as far as I have been able to piece it together from various sources and photographs:

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before 1980 photographer Daniel Poulin, Montreal

1980/81 Rick James
1981 AMA Jan - meets Prince, they date off and on

1981, 1983 Adam Ant (song "Vanity" by AA)
1982/83 (summer) Goes on tour with Prince, moves to MPLS, joins Vanity6, co-writes PR

1983 Albert Magnoli, Andre Cymone, Micky Freeh, BrownMark
1984 Robbie Bruce ("Strap On 'Robbie Baby'" song)
1985 spring - Billy Idol
1985 James Debarge (caught by Janet Jackson in dressing room of award ceremony doing drugs) 985 John Stamos (pictured at afterparty for Last
1986-87 Nikki Sixx
1990 Michael Bolton
1995 - 96 Anthony Smith (married)
late 90s photo of her on her website with a younger man

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Fun fact: When Vanity left MPLS she had signed with Barry Gordy at Motown, who gave her a jaguar XJS.

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Michael Bolton on this list too? Wow! I didn't know about Robbie Bruce either (the connection with the song makes 100% sense).

Yuuup Vanity dated Michael Bolton Singer Vanity, Paula Abdul and musician Michael Bolton attend Virgin Records Party on February 23, 1990 at Pazzia Restaurant in Los Angeles, California.

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Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

Michael Bolton on this list too? Wow! I didn't know about Robbie Bruce either (the connection with the song makes 100% sense).

Yuuup Vanity dated Michael Bolton Singer Vanity, Paula Abdul and musician Michael Bolton attend Virgin Records Party on February 23, 1990 at Pazzia Restaurant in Los Angeles, California.

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Oh my! Michael Bolton had some good/romantic music in his hay day- which was around this time, if I remember correctly. I don't think he was attractive though.

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said:

Yuuup Vanity dated Michael Bolton Singer Vanity, Paula Abdul and musician Michael Bolton attend Virgin Records Party on February 23, 1990 at Pazzia Restaurant in Los Angeles, California.

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Oh my! Michael Bolton had some good/romantic music in his hay day- which was around this time, if I remember correctly. I don't think he was attractive though.

He's not my cup of tea besides Prince Vanity looked good with Billy Idol. He said nice things about her in his bio too. Bless him

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What did Billy say about V?

scriptgirl said:

What did Billy say about V?

From his bio called Dancing With Myself, which is a good read on page 207 he says the following:

“One night, I happened to meet one of Prince's lovely proteges, Vanity, a beautiful singer whose real name was Denise Katrina Matthews. I went to a screening of The Last Dragon, a martial arts movie she starred in, and that began a clandestine but short-lived affair. Her beauty was so undeniable, it was hard not to fall for her, which I did, forgetting for a moment about my relationship with Perri, Vanity's beauty could force you to stretch the truth to live in a dream world where all was possible. She attended a number of shows on the tour, and I was very exicted about her, but I truly cared about Perri. Time, distance, and constant tempatations meant that in the end, I was playing a double game. Perhaps that was what I meant about being a double agent in “Eyes Without a Face.”

U probably figured it out Perri was Billy's longtime girlfriend.

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This is what he tweeted when she passed

Billy Idol Verified account ‏@BillyIdol

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Thanks! Has Micki Free ever talked about Vanity? How long did they go out for?

Goddess4Real said:

scriptgirl said:

What did Billy say about V?

From his bio called Dancing With Myself, which is a good read on page 207 he says the following:

“One night, I happened to meet one of Prince's lovely proteges, Vanity, a beautiful singer whose real name was Denise Katrina Matthews. I went to a screening of The Last Dragon, a martial arts movie she starred in, and that began a clandestine but short-lived affair. Her beauty was so undeniable, it was hard not to fall for her, which I did, forgetting for a moment about my relationship with Perri, Vanity's beauty could force you to stretch the truth to live in a dream world where all was possible. She attended a number of shows on the tour, and I was very exicted about her, but I truly cared about Perri. Time, distance, and constant tempatations meant that in the end, I was playing a double game. Perhaps that was what I meant about being a double agent in “Eyes Without a Face.”

U probably figured it out Perri was Billy's longtime girlfriend.

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This is what he tweeted when she passed

Billy Idol Verified account ‏@BillyIdol

I am really sad to hear of Vanity/ Denise Matthews’ passing. I will always treasure our time together. RIP 9:49 PM - 15 Feb 2016

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Billy Idol sounds like a very decent guy. I used to listen to him alot.

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This quote from Adam Ant's autobiography might also be interesting. Its not about Vanity directly, but it describes the need to compulsively womanize. He used sex with women to quell bad emotion, much like Vanity used crack. Maybe this is how many rock stars (Prince?) use it.

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"I was seeing many women, among them Amanda Donohoe, now famous for her roles in the film Castaway and the TV series LA Law. At the time, though, she was only 16 and not yet an actress. Mandy had approached me at a gig in 1978 and a few days later came to see me at home in Chelsea. It was difficult to believe she was just 16. She was beautiful, with black hair and a perfectly formed woman's body. She was also intelligent and sharp-tongued.

After an hour of chatting and laughing on the sofa, I was shocked when she suddenly kissed me. I didn't expect her to be experienced and had no intention of going any further until we knew each other better. It would be more than a month before we made love, but when we did it was amazing. In my diary I described it as "life-enriching".

Meanwhile, Antmusic was starting to catch on. We gigged solidly, leading to sessions on the influential John Peel radio show and our first album, Dirk Wears White Sox, in 1979.

The following year we went on tour, with Mandy acting as wardrobe mistress, painting feathers with stripes and sewing ribbons into hair extensions for me. Mandy thought I was her boyfriend and that, naturally, meant we were to be faithful.

In my mind, I was. I cared deeply about her. But in the flesh I couldn't be faithful. I had to have sex with new, different women whenever I could. The sex distracted me, kept me sane.

After receiving any kind of bad news - about the band or contracts, for instance - I had to have sex. When, on rare occasions, I couldn't find anyone, I couldn't sleep. My diary of the time is littered with my thoughts on those lonely nights. I refer constantly to Mandy as "my girl" and to other women I was sleeping with as "friends".

One day, Mandy looked at my diary and discovered what was going on. She was furious, and we had a huge row. But we agreed to stay together."

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beachy said:

You know, I honestly believe Vanity was Prince's Twinsoul. When I look and listen to her, she reminds me so much of him. She had the same charisma, she had the same look and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind like him. I mean, they were like mirror images of each other. When she was on a stage performing I was like, 'OMG, she is a female Prince'. To me, it's almost like she was Prince's female counterpart Camille. Vanity even looked like Prince at times. Prince even said he believed they were the same person. It is so weird.

I think Prince and Vanity belonged together but the timing was just never right. He had his problems and she had hers. I think ego and fame played a huge part in their downfall. With Twinsouls, it is very hard for them to make things work if the timing if off. I believe Prince had many soulmates in his life but soulmates aren't necessarily meant to be your forever. Sometimes soulmates aren't even romantically involved with each other. It's just a very strong bond. I think Mayte was a soulmate of his, Shelia E was one and Susannah was one but Vanity was the one who truly impacted him which makes her his Twinsoul. You can only have one Twinsoul in life. Hell, his second wife Manuela even looked like Vanity. She was 'the one'!

I think her death even impacted him in ways that we might never understand or know. She was his Twinsoul so I think when she passed, he lost a part of himself and felt that loss like no other. The more I read about Twinsouls, the more I see just how much they were meant to be. People don't believe that because their relationship was so long ago and brief but Twinsouls can be apart for years and still feel each other. They can even know each other for a few days and know that they are each other's reflections right off. I get the chills when I think about how they passed at the same age and only two months apart from each other. I honestly believe he lost apart of himself and it was just something that he felt horribly. It was a pain that most people couldn't understand.

I see people saying stuff like he survived the death of his parents and son but I don't think they understand how it feels to lose half of yourself. That's not to say that his parents and son didn't matter to him. I'm sure he felt some horrible pain and he grieved greatly but it's not the same kind of pain, if that makes sense.

cng89 said:

You know, I honestly believe Vanity was Prince's Twinsoul. When I look and listen to her, she reminds me so much of him. She had the same charisma, she had the same look and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind like him. I mean, they were like mirror images of each other. When she was on a stage performing I was like, 'OMG, she is a female Prince'. To me, it's almost like she was Prince's female counterpart Camille. Vanity even looked like Prince at times. Prince even said he believed they were the same person. It is so weird.

I think Prince and Vanity belonged together but the timing was just never right. He had his problems and she had hers. I think ego and fame played a huge part in their downfall. With Twinsouls, it is very hard for them to make things work if the timing if off. I believe Prince had many soulmates in his life but soulmates aren't necessarily meant to be your forever. Sometimes soulmates aren't even romantically involved with each other. It's just a very strong bond. I think Mayte was a soulmate of his, Shelia E was one and Susannah was one but Vanity was the one who truly impacted him which makes her his Twinsoul. You can only have one Twinsoul in life. Hell, his second wife Manuela even looked like Vanity. She was 'the one'!

I think her death even impacted him in ways that we might never understand or know. She was his Twinsoul so I think when she passed, he lost a part of himself and felt that loss like no other. The more I read about Twinsouls, the more I see just how much they were meant to be. People don't believe that because their relationship was so long ago and brief but Twinsouls can be apart for years and still feel each other. They can even know each other for a few days and know that they are each other's reflections right off. I get the chills when I think about how they passed at the same age and only two months apart from each other. I honestly believe he lost apart of himself and it was just something that he felt horribly. It was a pain that most people couldn't understand.

I see people saying stuff like he survived the death of his parents and son but I don't think they understand how it feels to lose half of yourself. That's not to say that his parents and son didn't matter to him. I'm sure he felt some horrible pain and he grieved greatly but it's not the same kind of pain, if that makes sense.

The twinsoul thing is very plausible. Prince posted something on his twitter to mark the 30th anniversary of the release of his Parade album back in March. Check out replies 844 through 856. It is interesting and maybe it represents him & Denise.

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Yes, I feel strongly that her death hurt him badly. Will we ever know for sure, maybe, maybe not.

endiadj said:

between prince and his long list of women and vanity's long list of men, how did they ever find the time to be with each other? lol. not to mention rehearsals, touring, studio time, etc.

If there is a will, there is a way!

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The long list of men on Vanity's side, were not ones that seemed long-term. Maybe they were men to "pass the time" and filled the void. The drugs kept her high as a kite and numb. The men made her feel wanted and loved.

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Anyone with Denise's book know if she talked about any of these other guys beside Prince and Nikki Sixx?

[Edited 5/22/16 12:18pm]

I couldn't find much, but he is mentioned twice in her diary after she flew out to LA on the 26th. They went out on Oct 27th and then went to a Halloween party together on Oct 31, 1983.

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This thread talks about Prince wanting to work with Micki later and appear in a film called The Dawn.

http://prince.org/msg/5/89610

Micki mentions jamming with Prince on Shalamar's "Circumstantial Evidence" from 1987.

By Oct 1984 She is talking about Robbie Bruce so the affair with Micki must not have lasted long.

scriptgirl said:

Thanks! Has Micki Free ever talked about Vanity? How long did they go out for?

Another picture of Denise. Looks like the same outfit in the picture posted a few pages back, so maybe same party? We've got the orange pants with white buttons and top.

[Edited 5/22/16 12:37pm]

cng89 said:

You know, I honestly believe Vanity was Prince's Twinsoul. When I look and listen to her, she reminds me so much of him. She had the same charisma, she had the same look and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind like him. I mean, they were like mirror images of each other. When she was on a stage performing I was like, 'OMG, she is a female Prince'. To me, it's almost like she was Prince's female counterpart Camille. Vanity even looked like Prince at times. Prince even said he believed they were the same person. It is so weird.

I think Prince and Vanity belonged together but the timing was just never right. He had his problems and she had hers. I think ego and fame played a huge part in their downfall. With Twinsouls, it is very hard for them to make things work if the timing if off. I believe Prince had many soulmates in his life but soulmates aren't necessarily meant to be your forever. Sometimes soulmates aren't even romantically involved with each other. It's just a very strong bond. I think Mayte was a soulmate of his, Shelia E was one and Susannah was one but Vanity was the one who truly impacted him which makes her his Twinsoul. You can only have one Twinsoul in life. Hell, his second wife Manuela even looked like Vanity. She was 'the one'!

I think her death even impacted him in ways that we might never understand or know. She was his Twinsoul so I think when she passed, he lost a part of himself and felt that loss like no other. The more I read about Twinsouls, the more I see just how much they were meant to be. People don't believe that because their relationship was so long ago and brief but Twinsouls can be apart for years and still feel each other. They can even know each other for a few days and know that they are each other's reflections right off. I get the chills when I think about how they passed at the same age and only two months apart from each other. I honestly believe he lost apart of himself and it was just something that he felt horribly. It was a pain that most people couldn't understand.

I see people saying stuff like he survived the death of his parents and son but I don't think they understand how it feels to lose half of yourself. That's not to say that his parents and son didn't matter to him. I'm sure he felt some horrible pain and he grieved greatly but it's not the same kind of pain, if that makes sense.

I am new here but have been lurking and this thread captured me because the one thing I always believed was Vanity was Prince years, situations , new/old lovers would never change that.

Anyway when this

http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/

made me think of them.

Vashtix said:

cng89 said:

You know, I honestly believe Vanity was Prince's Twinsoul. When I look and listen to her, she reminds me so much of him. She had the same charisma, she had the same look and she wasn't afraid to speak her mind like him. I mean, they were like mirror images of each other. When she was on a stage performing I was like, 'OMG, she is a female Prince'. To me, it's almost like she was Prince's female counterpart Camille. Vanity even looked like Prince at times. Prince even said he believed they were the same person. It is so weird.

I think Prince and Vanity belonged together but the timing was just never right. He had his problems and she had hers. I think ego and fame played a huge part in their downfall. With Twinsouls, it is very hard for them to make things work if the timing if off. I believe Prince had many soulmates in his life but soulmates aren't necessarily meant to be your forever. Sometimes soulmates aren't even romantically involved with each other. It's just a very strong bond. I think Mayte was a soulmate of his, Shelia E was one and Susannah was one but Vanity was the one who truly impacted him which makes her his Twinsoul. You can only have one Twinsoul in life. Hell, his second wife Manuela even looked like Vanity. She was 'the one'!

I think her death even impacted him in ways that we might never understand or know. She was his Twinsoul so I think when she passed, he lost a part of himself and felt that loss like no other. The more I read about Twinsouls, the more I see just how much they were meant to be. People don't believe that because their relationship was so long ago and brief but Twinsouls can be apart for years and still feel each other. They can even know each other for a few days and know that they are each other's reflections right off. I get the chills when I think about how they passed at the same age and only two months apart from each other. I honestly believe he lost apart of himself and it was just something that he felt horribly. It was a pain that most people couldn't understand.

I see people saying stuff like he survived the death of his parents and son but I don't think they understand how it feels to lose half of yourself. That's not to say that his parents and son didn't matter to him. I'm sure he felt some horrible pain and he grieved greatly but it's not the same kind of pain, if that makes sense.

I am new here but have been lurking and this thread captured me because the one thing I always believed was Vanity was Prince years, situations , new/old lovers would never change that.

Anyway when this

http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/

made me think of them.

OMG!!!! That part about the addiction was really mind blowing. Vanity had an addiction and Prince had one of his own. It is so crazy how they are literally mirror images of each other during their lives and deaths even. Vanity almost died of an overdose and then gave up her addiction after the scare. Prince almost died of an overdose and was ready give up his addiction as well. Vanity turned to God and became all about Him and so did Prince as well. It was like they did everything together and their included death. Lawd this is crazy!

cng89 said:

Vashtix said:

I am new here but have been lurking and this thread captured me because the one thing I always believed was Vanity was Prince years, situations , new/old lovers would never change that.

Anyway when this

http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/http://in5d.com/how-twin-souls-heal-each-other/

made me think of them.

OMG!!!! That part about the addiction was really mind blowing. Vanity had an addiction and Prince had one of his own. It is so crazy how they are literally mirror images of each other during their lives and deaths even. Vanity almost died of an overdose and then gave up her addiction after the scare. Prince almost died of an overdose and was ready give up his addiction as well. Vanity turned to God and became all about Him and so did Prince as well. It was like they did everything together and their included death. Lawd this is crazy!

It is crazy and I have been lurking this thread from the start and I cannot shake it- their entwined lives and him not living much longer after her death. Gives me chills.

Vashtix said:

cng89 said:

OMG!!!! That part about the addiction was really mind blowing. Vanity had an addiction and Prince had one of his own. It is so crazy how they are literally mirror images of each other during their lives and deaths even. Vanity almost died of an overdose and then gave up her addiction after the scare. Prince almost died of an overdose and was ready give up his addiction as well. Vanity turned to God and became all about Him and so did Prince as well. It was like they did everything together and their included death. Lawd this is crazy!

It is crazy and I have been lurking this thread from the start and I cannot shake it- their entwined lives and him not living much longer after her death. Gives me chills.

I keep digging deeper into the Prince and Vanity relationship and the more I read the more I am convinced that they're literally one soul.