purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

This. plus he never, as far as I know, offered her monogamy or exclusivity. Yet he expected it from her. Part of it I think is his stardom. The other part is his upbringing, basically abandoned by his parents and not able to really love in a good healthy way. I think to survive he had to build a wall around his emotions at a very early age.

Right! In some of the songs, that I'm pretty sure were about her, he sings about the "other guys".

Like in '17 days' (which I love BTW), he says, "Called you yesterday..You didn't answer your phone..The main drag is knowing that..You probably weren't alone..So here I sit in my lonely room..Lookin' for my sunshine..But all I've got is two cigarettes..And this broken heart of mine".

There he goes refering to her being with someone else, well, what about all HIS someone elses? There are others I'm sure. That one popped in my head cause I was listening to it today.

I haven't heard that song, I will check it out it sounds nice.

I found this about Vanity's book, about leaving Prince:

"In short, she mentions a little stage fright, the lies regarding media, "her love was found playing in other play-pens", jealousy, arguements & being broken hearted."

dude apparently was the first to cheat, or shall we say he was the last to commit to exclusivity?

beachy said:

I like what Jimmy Jam said about Vanity in this article http://www.billboard.com/...ce=twitter

"He definitely loved the ladies, and he had impeccable taste in women. Vanity is always the one that pops into my mind, because she was so beautiful. Meeting her for the first time, you’re blown away by her beauty, and you think to yourself, “Of course that’s Prince’s girl. Of course.” And man, she was also a beautiful human being -- so nice and so warm and so caring to us in The Time, because we were the backup band for the Vanity 6 album and for the tour."

[Edited 5/18/16 21:56pm]

ok fellow sleuths, what do you make of THIS:

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http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2016/02/19/no-phones-and-no-profanity-an-exclusive-look-inside-princes-melbourne-afterparty/

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I already posted the blind about Prince hooking up with a chick that night. Before he did that he was in high spirits at an after party.

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"

Prince surprised not only Walker, but everyone in attendance when he stepped out from his VIP area to dance with his fans.

"We dropped Rufus and Chaka Khan’s Do You Love What You Feel and he got on the dance floor and danced with everyone," Walker says.

"His minder said that he never does that. Ever. He just lifted the rope and started dancing, like, in the middle of everyone."

Many fans who attended Prince's Melbourne shows ...sday night suggested that he was "distraught" after hearing news of the death of Vanity; Prince's protege and lead...p Vanity 6, however Walker says he was in high spirits throughout the entire afterparty."

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purplegirl00 said:

Prince wrote '17 days' intending it for Vanity 6, but when Denise left him, he recorded himself in 1983 with Brenda Bennett (from Vanity 6) as background vocal. I think it was done around the time shooting for PR began. I think.

I'd say its written about vanity more than for her to sing, because its a sad heartbreak song. thanks for posting it, i like it too.

beachy said:

beachy said:

beachy said:

ok fellow sleuths, what do you make of THIS:

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http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2016/02/19/no-phones-and-no-profanity-an-exclusive-look-inside-princes-melbourne-afterparty/

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I already posted the blind about Prince hooking up with a chick that night. Before he did that he was in high spirits at an after party.

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"

Prince surprised not only Walker, but everyone in attendance when he stepped out from his VIP area to dance with his fans.

"We dropped Rufus and Chaka Khan’s Do You Love What You Feel and he got on the dance floor and danced with everyone," Walker says.

"His minder said that he never does that. Ever. He just lifted the rope and started dancing, like, in the middle of everyone."

Many fans who attended Prince's Melbourne shows ...sday night suggested that he was "distraught" after hearing news of the death of Vanity; Prince's protege and lead...p Vanity 6, however Walker says he was in high spirits throughout the entire afterparty."

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Well I wouldn't read too much into it. I saw an interview with Prince where he said he always needs to wind down after a show (he used to go play at clubs after his concerts when he travelled with his band). Plus I would guess that he also wanted to distract himself and not be alone with his thoughts in some hotel room. I would guess that being in a club with good music and fans for a few hours would be a tonic for him.

GeniusLuv said:

kellyna said:

kellyna said:

beachy said:

ok fellow sleuths, what do you make of THIS:

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http://themusic.com.au/news/all/2016/02/19/no-phones-and-no-profanity-an-exclusive-look-inside-princes-melbourne-afterparty/

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I already posted the blind about Prince hooking up with a chick that night. Before he did that he was in high spirits at an after party.

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"

Prince surprised not only Walker, but everyone in attendance when he stepped out from his VIP area to dance with his fans.

"We dropped Rufus and Chaka Khan’s Do You Love What You Feel and he got on the dance floor and danced with everyone," Walker says.

"His minder said that he never does that. Ever. He just lifted the rope and started dancing, like, in the middle of everyone."

Many fans who attended Prince's Melbourne shows ...sday night suggested that he was "distraught" after hearing news of the death of Vanity; Prince's protege and lead...p Vanity 6, however Walker says he was in high spirits throughout the entire afterparty."

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Well I wouldn't read too much into it. I saw an interview with Prince where he said he always needs to wind down after a show (he used to go play at clubs after his concerts when he travelled with his band). Plus I would guess that he also wanted to distract himself and not be alone with his thoughts in some hotel room. I would guess that being in a club with good music and fans for a few hours would be a tonic for him.

The party helped keep him distracted and not alone. When you get news like that, the worse thing you can do is be alone even though he probably felt alone inside . His fans were important to him so I think his breaking out to dance with everyone was an attempt to appear like he was handling ok and everything was good. It was out of character for him so maybe it didn't work.

[Edited 5/19/16 9:18am]

beachy said:

Goddess4Real said:

Wow I didn't know Prince overdosed on Asprin etc in 1996, learn something new....but why when he and Mayte were expecting a baby?

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ah.....the million dollar question....indeed....

It was a tumultuous time - he was working on Emancipation and about to leave WB, he just learned the baby likely had bad birth defects (I think Mayte nearly miscarried around that time, and also Jonathan Melvoin had just died.

It wasn't a suicide attempt. It was a self medicating mishap. Story has it that Prince was having some chest pains (probably from panic attacks) and he heard asprin helped. So he took some asprin and was also drinking wine while working in the studio late at night. He drank too much, threw up, and passed out. He was probably exausted so he crashed hard and was taken to the hospital, which he promptly left once he came to.

GeniusLuv said:

This is the pic I am talking about- it was taken maybe 10 years ago at a Revolution reunion? Basically everyone was there and I said something like it would be great if Vanity was there and and was told she would not be welcomed.

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RMBM06a.jpg[/img:$uid]

scriptgirl said:

This is the pic I am talking about- it was taken maybe 10 years ago at a Revolution reunion? Basically everyone was there and I said something like it would be great if Vanity was there and and was told she would not be welcomed.

[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/RMBM06a.jpg[/img:$uid]

Who are the women in that picture?

kellyna said:

endiadj said:

purplegirl00 said:

endiadj said:

pnv said:

kellyna said:

I just watched the 1985 interview that Vanity did with Donnie Simpson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qVe7uLIKVQ

and a couple of the segments were interesting. At about the 10 minute mark she talks about leaving Minneapolis and she says,

"I was unhappy about leaving and they were unhappy about me leaving" (I'm assuming that they is referring to Prince as we heard that he was heartbroken when she left - Wendy said it in an interview).

Then at the 12 minutes mark, Donnie asks her "Who is Prince's woman at the moment" and she replies "Prince doesn't have a woman, not one." then she goes on to clarify "one that owns his heart" and Donnie says "yeah" and she replies "I don't know, you tell me" but there's something about her response that seems sad and she looks down when she answers him.

Prince answered her with the song Adore.....

wow good catch! he sang this song to Denise at his tribute concert in Melbourne. Recorded the year after the interview. Nov '86

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Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

[Edited 5/19/16 17:25pm]

[Edited 5/19/16 17:29pm]

simm0061 said:

beachy said:

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ah.....the million dollar question....indeed....

It was a tumultuous time - he was working on Emancipation and about to leave WB, he just learned the baby likely had bad birth defects (I think Mayte nearly miscarried around that time, and also Jonathan Melvoin had just died.

It wasn't a suicide attempt. It was a self medicating mishap. Story has it that Prince was having some chest pains (probably from panic attacks) and he heard asprin helped. So he took some asprin and was also drinking wine while working in the studio late at night. He drank too much, threw up, and passed out. He was probably exausted so he crashed hard and was taken to the hospital, which he promptly left once he came to.

this happened in April, he didn't find out about the birth defects until Sept according to Hahn.

purplegirl00 said:

endiadj said:

that's my thought too. plus it was from wendy or lisa that vanity leaving broke prince's heart. the film was conceived by and about them. must've been tough for both of them.

Yes, that's what I think too. PR was about them. Vanity and Prince wrote the rough draft of it, so when she left, it tore him up. They were probably annoyed that he was trying to get her back after all that.

I think they were jealous of her. She was gorgeous and launching her career in Hollywood. Prince had taken over one of the buses on tour so he and vanity could work out the script and they did not like the hierarchy that was implied. Then, even though with Susanna, they were aware that Prince still had deep feelings for her. In Dec 86, the month after he wrote Adore for Vanity, Prince broke up with Susannah and she moved back to LA. In January Prince was pursuing Vanity, sending her flowers.

[Edited 5/19/16 17:18pm]

purplegirl00 said:

kellyna said:

Well I wouldn't read too much into it. I saw an interview with Prince where he said he always needs to wind down after a show (he used to go play at clubs after his concerts when he travelled with his band). Plus I would guess that he also wanted to distract himself and not be alone with his thoughts in some hotel room. I would guess that being in a club with good music and fans for a few hours would be a tonic for him.

The party helped keep him distracted and not alone. When you get news like that, the worse thing you can do is be alone even though he probably felt alone inside . His fans were important to him so I think his breaking out to dance with everyone was an attempt to appear like he was handling ok and everything was good. It was out of character for him so maybe it didn't work.

[Edited 5/19/16 9:18am]

He said during the 1st concert after she died, when he told the story about the pool (in the middle of Adore) that Vanity would want us to celebrate not mourn. So I think he deliberately tried to honor her wishes. Her will said she wanted to be cremated and scattered off the coast of Hawaii and then for everyone to have a party.

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what if he spoke to her before he left for Australia and she told him not to mourn? it's possible.

[Edited 5/19/16 17:34pm]

The pic is of Apples and Susannah. How do we know that Prince wrote Adore for Vanity? Wasn't Prince engaged to Susannah at one point? I am shocked their relationship was so brief-Prince and Susannah, because I had heard always that he was deeply in love with her and that they were maybe 2 years together. Someone, not sure, that engineer woman, can't think of her name, said Susannah was the love of P's life and he wrote Beautiful Ones for her. I think it is said in a book about Prince somewhere.

When Vanity left Prince, it caused a lot of bad blood in the Prince camp-at least it was implied in some books that came out on Prince around the time of Purple Rain's release. The story was that Vanity left because of money and implied that she thought she was better than everyone because she had worked as a model and actress before Prince. Also, it came off that she was some slick girl that had airs and looked down on the Prince camp members as inexperienced bumpkins.

Lisa was the one who said Prince was broken by Vanity leaving, not Wendy.

I also heard that during the Triple threat tour that Vanity was on the bus with the V6 girls and prince was on his own bus and had an ever revolving cast of girls going in and out. The story was that Vanity was too crude and wild for Prince and that is why they split. I read that in a book on P as well.

However you want to spin it, there has always been negativity around Vanity leaving the Prince camp and at the time, the only people who spoke well of her or who were seen with her publically was Morris. I do know that there was some event that Apples was at and Vanity was there and Apples allegedly was not happy to see her-this was donig the A6 period-there is actually a pic of them frm that event and that the pic of Vanity with Susan and Brenda at the American Music Awards in Jan 85, when Vanity presented Prince with his Award-was pretty awkward as well.

One thing I remember reading is that Prince was pretty pissed when Vanity was dating Mickey Free. I think Mickey himself has talked about it and I think he got the cold shoulder from the Prince camp because of his association with Vanity.

I guess I am bemused at all this softness toward Vanity from some Purple Politicians because years ago, when she left, she was a pariah. And like I said, the Revolution members still can't stand her.

[Edited 5/19/16 17:37pm]

endiadj said:

purplegirl00 said:

I think you're right, it's Apple's. Oh another thought or guess about their beef with Vanity could be that she left the Prince camp right before the filming of PR. They were loyal to Prince and maybe they were ticked that she up and left. Then there was a scramble to find her replacement. I don't know. [Edited 5/19/16 16:19pm]

that's my thought too. plus it was from wendy or lisa that vanity leaving broke prince's heart. the film was conceived by and about them. must've been tough for both of them.

Well I think it was principally Wendy, Suzannah and Lisa that felt that way and I agree it was strictly due to jealousy and that Vanity was more important to Prince than they were. Apple's always had nice things to say about Vanity (every back in the day) so I don't think she feel into that camp. On alot of other threads here people say how Wendy and Lisa are always trying to portray the relationship between Prince and Suzannah as more significant than it was and for lasting longer than it actually did.

And yes it was Wendy who when they were promoting the movie "Purple Rain" said that "Vanity broke Prince's heart when she left PRN and Minneapolis."

beachy said:

pnv said:

kellyna said: Prince answered her with the song Adore.....

wow good catch! he sang this song to Denise at his tribute concert in Melbourne. Recorded the year after the interview. Nov '86

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Until the end of time
I'll be there 4 U
U own my heart and mind
I truly adore U
If God one day struck me blind
Your beauty I'd still see
Love is 2 weak 2 define
Just what U mean 2 me

[Edited 5/19/16 17:25pm]

[Edited 5/19/16 17:29pm]

Yes the song "Adore" is a beautiful song and I love that Prince sang it as the last song in his shows in Melbourne and that he was telling sweet stories about her before he began the song. I love the idea that he wrote it for her. And while it's romantic and poetic to write songs for her, unless he phoned her up and told her the song was about her, it's still not the same as saying these things to her face. That was I meant when I said "It was like Prince was always "pining for Vanity" but he never really told her what she needed to hear." From Vanity's perspective she's living on the other side of the country and as far as she can see Prince is surrounded by more women and proteges than ever. I doubt very much she would assume the song was written about her unless Prince told her. Let's face it these two played alot of games with each other, which is regrettable because it presented another obstacle that kept them apart and likely just made them both feel insecure and unsure about the intentions of the other.

kellyna said:

endiadj said:

purplegirl00 said: that's my thought too. plus it was from wendy or lisa that vanity leaving broke prince's heart. the film was conceived by and about them. must've been tough for both of them.

Well I think it was principally Wendy, Suzannah and Lisa that felt that way and I agree it was strictly due to jealousy and that Vanity was more important to Prince than they were. Apple's always had nice things to say about Vanity (every back in the day) so I don't think she feel into that camp. On alot of other threads here people say how Wendy and Lisa are always trying to portray the relationship between Prince and Suzannah as more significant than it was and for lasting longer than it actually did.

And yes it was Wendy who when they were promoting the movie "Purple Rain" said that "Vanity broke Prince's heart when she left PRN and Minneapolis."

Of course they would do that, but it doesn't mean it was reality. Prince probably did care for Susannah, but he was IN DEEP with Vanity and there was always a draw to her. Wendy, Susannah, and Lisa knew that and that probably didn't sit well with them. Heck, if I were them, I wouldn't have liked Vanity either.

If you go on the Prince associated artists page, there is a thread there-Apples has said nasty stuff about Vanity before, basically callilng her dumb. This was back in the 80s or early 90s, I think.