kellyna said:

GeniusLuv said:

Me too actually, like Motley Crue songs over the years and yes, Kiss is an amazing live band. It does make me wonder though, what the hell are these people thinking?? Especially Gene, yeah its sad, yeah its a shame he died..but PATHETIC you don't even know what he died from..or if his actions could have caused it?? And like i sadi Nikki, i just don't get that one

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No offense to any Kiss or Motley Crue fans - but Gene Simmons and Nikki Sixx are assholes. Sorry but their talent and bands are not even in the same league as Prince. They both have trashed Michael Jackson in the past as well (after he died). As the same applies to MJ - he had more talent in his pinky finger then these idiots have in their whole bodies. And frankly I find both of them classless and ignorant to make comments about these artists who have died prematurely and who they reallly didn't know. It's the only way either of them can get their names in the news - it's pathetic!!!

A hundred years from now, people will remember and still admire not only the talent, skill and the great music left by both Prince and Michael Jackson, but also that both of them were humble individuals and gave back to the world. I highly doubt anyone will remember Gene Simmons or Nikki Sixx.

I agree, they are both idiots for their remarks about Prince, MJ, etc.

And yes Motley Crue was a glorified hair band of the 80's but KISS is an iconic band...set the standard for live shows, with that said, Gene has a big mouth and really gets in a lot of trouble for his views..what he said about Prince was ignorant and heartless..NO EXCUSE..he really is a self obsorbed conceted maniac but along with that negative comment, he did also say Prince was a genius, in a class all by himself..not justifying what he said HE WAS CLEARLY WRONG...i think calling his death ''pathetic'' was like saaying Prince caused it or was somehow to know and/or be blamed for dying...crazzzzzy! No one knows what happened, only God knows and He may be the only one who ever does.

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kellyna said:

GeniusLuv said:

Me too actually, like Motley Crue songs over the years and yes, Kiss is an amazing live band. It does make me wonder though, what the hell are these people thinking?? Especially Gene, yeah its sad, yeah its a shame he died..but PATHETIC you don't even know what he died from..or if his actions could have caused it?? And like i sadi Nikki, i just don't get that one

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No offense to any Kiss or Motley Crue fans - but Gene Simmons and Nikki Sixx are assholes. Sorry but their talent and bands are not even in the same league as Prince. They both have trashed Michael Jackson in the past as well (after he died). As the same applies to MJ - he had more talent in his pinky finger then these idiots have in their whole bodies. And frankly I find both of them classless and ignorant to make comments about these artists who have died prematurely and who they reallly didn't know. It's the only way either of them can get their names in the news - it's pathetic!!!

A hundred years from now, people will remember and still admire not only the talent, skill and the great music left by both Prince and Michael Jackson, but also that both of them were humble individuals and gave back to the world. I highly doubt anyone will remember Gene Simmons or Nikki Sixx.

purplegirl00 said:

GeniusLuv said:

Thank you for this. I think it was common knowledge her lasting love for Prince, even in the beginning when she struggled and was still searching and wounded..she never could admit in the beginning,,but she always loved him, and as time went on she expressed it ad i am glad she let her friends and family know as well, and my gut feeling is...she let Prince know. I feel he knew (she told him i am sure in the end) and he found comfort in that, somewhat until they met again in Gods arms.

I think you are right. She was vocal about her love for him and I'm sure he knew. I'm sure that brought some measure of relief after she died, but if he felt the same (which I believe he did), then I could see the immeasurable pain knowing that, might brought.

The FB post before it, again posted by Lynne Wood, there is another reflection by a Lee Lenora Harrison (no idea who she is), also the day after Prince's death. At the very end she wrote: We are still missing her on the Prayerline and we know she witnessed to Prince.

I think that both Vanity and Prince made it known that they really loved each other. When Vanity spoke of Prince she always talked about how much she loved him, she wrote about him "being the only man she had ever really loved" in her book. And Prince was also just as forthcoming. One thing I noticed with all the coverage after Prince's death was that it seemed everyone that knew or was associated with Prince all knew how much he loved Vanity. And just look at the sweet comments he made about Vanity in Melbourne after he learned of her death. I mentioned in an earlier post that the cousin of a work colleague of mine was at both of the shows that night and wrote her about it. She said that Prince was visibly upset and that he sang some of the songs he dedicated to Vanity with such emotion that it made people in the audience (including herself) cry.

It would be nice to think that the two of them had been in regular contact in recent years, but even if they weren't I think they both took their last breaths on earth knowing that they had never really stopped loving each other.

Just looking at lyrics to Strange but True, it seems to be saying that goldiggers with dreams of being Prince's chosen one got between them, it was a curse that set in motion a chain of events. Who could that be??

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Then he says she lost him, but he found himself, and his wealth was those that loved him without condition. seems to imply that it doesn't include the person he addresses the song to. or am I reading it wrong?

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Any idea what 'See what U can do" refers to?

endiadj said:

UGH to all this talk about these two irrelevant guys. I hope Prince got a chance to tell Denise he still loved her too.

Yeah me too as there is nothing worse than losing someone before you get a chance to tell them what they meant to them.

endiadj said:

UGH to all this talk about these two irrelevant guys. I hope Prince got a chance to tell Denise he still loved her too.

Seeing as he was very good about doing nice things for people on the DL without anyone knowing, it also would not surprise me if they spoke in recent times. I could even believe it possible that his own deterioration started when she found out in September that she was probably going to die this time. I'm sure that even if she did not tell him directly, he could find out by seeing her facebook, and at least his staff would have watched it and let him know.

beachy said:

Just looking at lyrics to Strange but True, it seems to be saying that goldiggers with dreams of being Prince's chosen one got between them, it was a curse that set in motion a chain of events. Who could that be??

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Then he says she lost him, but he found himself, and his wealth was those that loved him without condition. seems to imply that it doesn't include the person he addresses the song to. or am I reading it wrong?

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Any idea what 'See what U can do" refers to?

Yeah remember I posted part of the lyrics yesterday (it was from the thread page that had that comments about Prince sending purple roses etc.) where it made reference to a gap, a hole that he was trying to fill and people were speculating that it was written about Vanity or at the lyrics at the beginning of the song do. But I also am abit confused by the later lyrics:

You may have lost me but I found myself
The ones who love me without condition, this is my wealth
And with these words I will win, repeat them over and over again
All understand and all stand under this affirmation now
By the power invested in me by God, all negativity bows
All negativity bows, all negativity bows

Strange but true, lets see what you can do
Strange but true, lets see what you can do
All negativity bows

???

kellyna said:

beachy said:

Just looking at lyrics to Strange but True, it seems to be saying that goldiggers with dreams of being Prince's chosen one got between them, it was a curse that set in motion a chain of events. Who could that be??

.

Then he says she lost him, but he found himself, and his wealth was those that loved him without condition. seems to imply that it doesn't include the person he addresses the song to. or am I reading it wrong?

.

Any idea what 'See what U can do" refers to?

Yeah remember I posted part of the lyrics yesterday (it was from the thread page that had that comments about Prince sending purple roses etc.) where it made reference to a gap, a hole that he was trying to fill and people were speculating that it was written about Vanity or at the lyrics at the beginning of the song do. But I also am abit confused by the later lyrics:

You may have lost me but I found myself
The ones who love me without condition, this is my wealth
And with these words I will win, repeat them over and over again
All understand and all stand under this affirmation now
By the power invested in me by God, all negativity bows
All negativity bows, all negativity bows

Strange but true, lets see what you can do
Strange but true, lets see what you can do
All negativity bows

???

yeah girl you got me thinking about this now!

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gap = obv. Vanity

here's a guess:

she lost him when she married but also when she got saved and separated herself from his lifestyle.

From then on her relationship to him was one of witnessing to him to try to get him saved.

He may have felt that this was not unconditional love, and that it was negative (ie she is basically calling him out for being unsaved)

He feels that he has his own relationship with God that makes him ok. He finds his power in that, in that he owns himself, therefore all negativity bows including any implied criticism.

Lets see what you can do is kind of a challenge, since she claims she is empowered by God, lets see what she can do.

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probably a pathetic interpretation

beachy said:

endiadj said:

UGH to all this talk about these two irrelevant guys. I hope Prince got a chance to tell Denise he still loved her too.

Seeing as he was very good about doing nice things for people on the DL without anyone knowing, it also would not surprise me if they spoke in recent times. I could even believe it possible that his own deterioration started when she found out in September that she was probably going to die this time. I'm sure that even if she did not tell him directly, he could find out by seeing her facebook, and at least his staff would have watched it and let him know.

Yes I agree especially as Prince seemed to be all-knowing about what was going on and I'm sure as he knew that she had chronic health problems and had helped her out financially in the past that he would have had someone keeping track of her. She had said in the past (2007) that they spoke occasionally and then more recently I think someone said it was 2013 when asked if she kept in touch with people from her past, she was vague and said yes but those things were private (so maybe they both wanted to keep it on the DL and keep it to themselves). Ahh - this line, "I could even believe it possible that his own deterioration started when she found out in September that she was probably going to die this time." made me feel sad for him.

But as we've all pointed out numerous times at least they are both at peace now and together!!

beachy said:

One thing for sure since both Prince and Vanity have passed there has been alot more tv appearances/interviews showing up on TY etc. I watched for the first time Deadly Illusion and Terror Train (when Vanity was DD Winters). Fingers crossed for Lady Boss its my fav Vanity performance and Jackie Collins RIP book/miniseries

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beachy said:

kellyna said:

Yeah remember I posted part of the lyrics yesterday (it was from the thread page that had that comments about Prince sending purple roses etc.) where it made reference to a gap, a hole that he was trying to fill and people were speculating that it was written about Vanity or at the lyrics at the beginning of the song do. But I also am abit confused by the later lyrics:

You may have lost me but I found myself
The ones who love me without condition, this is my wealth
And with these words I will win, repeat them over and over again
All understand and all stand under this affirmation now
By the power invested in me by God, all negativity bows
All negativity bows, all negativity bows

Strange but true, lets see what you can do
Strange but true, lets see what you can do
All negativity bows

???

yeah girl you got me thinking about this now!

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gap = obv. Vanity

here's a guess:

she lost him when she married but also when she got saved and separated herself from his lifestyle.

From then on her relationship to him was one of witnessing to him to try to get him saved.

He may have felt that this was not unconditional love, and that it was negative (ie she is basically calling him out for being unsaved)

He feels that he has his own relationship with God that makes him ok. He finds his power in that, in that he owns himself, therefore all negativity bows including any implied criticism.

Lets see what you can do is kind of a challenge, since she claims she is empowered by God, lets see what she can do.

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probably a pathetic interpretation

No actually I think that's a pretty good interpretation! and it sort of aligns with the way the song starts off as almost a plea that I lost you and miss you and then seems to switch tones later in the song. I was thinking of the timelines that you posted and how we were all surmising that they were probably still hooking up or seeing each other in 1987 or even a few years beyond that. Then Vanity has her overdose in 1994 and coming so close to dying etc. made Prince want to be touch with her again (with flowers and maybe seeing her) and maybe thinking he could take care of her etc. And remember once she survived she was so adamant about disassociating with all things Vanity and at that moment it probably also included Prince himself. So she turns him away and then within a year she out of the blue marries someone else that she hardly knows. That might explain why he was shocked and upset about her marriage and then the following year he marries Mayte. And we were saying that he and Vanity at that point were sort of talking to each other through the media (her claim that she was praying for him and worried about him). Well it would be typical of Prince to also respond to her through song - what do you think of that theory?

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

Just looking at lyrics to Strange but True, it seems to be saying that goldiggers with dreams of being Prince's chosen one got between them, it was a curse that set in motion a chain of events. Who could that be??

.

Then he says she lost him, but he found himself, and his wealth was those that loved him without condition. seems to imply that it doesn't include the person he addresses the song to. or am I reading it wrong?

.

Any idea what 'See what U can do" refers to?

I'm wondering who the "goldiggers" are too. I know one reason she left him was because of his sleeping around so maybe those women were the goldiggers that got in the way? Prince was a lyrical genius. I have no idea what he means in those next verses.

well the books on Prince say that the actual breakup occurred in the summer of 83. Nilsens book says Prince met Susannah in May and fell for her. But Hahn's book said he conducted an intense affair with Jill Jones over the summer then got with Susannah in the fall, but had been pursuing her while she still had a boyfriend.

Since then the whole W&L camp inc Susan Rogers have tried to position Susannah as the love of his life, and have tried to write Vanity off as a fling.

And Prince broke up with Susannah for good in December, and then tried to get Vanity back in January.

Maybe Prince came to think Susannah had ulterior motives? I hesitate to say that, I could be completely off, and I have no other reason than this song to think she was anything but a great girlfriend. But that's all I can come up with.

Goddess4Real said:

One thing for sure since both Prince and Vanity have passed there has been alot more tv appearances/interviews showing up on TY etc. I watched for the first time Deadly Illusion and Terror Train (when Vanity was DD Winters). Fingers crossed for Lady Boss its my fav Vanity performance and Jackie Collins RIP book/miniseries

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oh cool are they both on YT now?

beachy said:

Goddess4Real said:

One thing for sure since both Prince and Vanity have passed there has been alot more tv appearances/interviews showing up on TY etc. I watched for the first time Deadly Illusion and Terror Train (when Vanity was DD Winters). Fingers crossed for Lady Boss its my fav Vanity performance and Jackie Collins RIP book/miniseries

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oh cool are they both on YT now?

Yuuuuuuuuup

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kellyna said:

kellyna said:

beachy said:

yeah girl you got me thinking about this now!

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gap = obv. Vanity

here's a guess:

she lost him when she married but also when she got saved and separated herself from his lifestyle.

From then on her relationship to him was one of witnessing to him to try to get him saved.

He may have felt that this was not unconditional love, and that it was negative (ie she is basically calling him out for being unsaved)

He feels that he has his own relationship with God that makes him ok. He finds his power in that, in that he owns himself, therefore all negativity bows including any implied criticism.

Lets see what you can do is kind of a challenge, since she claims she is empowered by God, lets see what she can do.

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probably a pathetic interpretation

No actually I think that's a pretty good interpretation! and it sort of aligns with the way the song starts off as almost a plea that I lost you and miss you and then seems to switch tones later in the song. I was thinking of the timelines that you posted and how we were all surmising that they were probably still hooking up or seeing each other in 1987 or even a few years beyond that. Then Vanity has her overdose in 1994 and coming so close to dying etc. made Prince want to be touch with her again (with flowers and maybe seeing her) and maybe thinking he could take care of her etc. And remember once she survived she was so adamant about disassociating with all things Vanity and at that moment it probably also included Prince himself. So she turns him away and then within a year she out of the blue marries someone else that she hardly knows. That might explain why he was shocked and upset about her marriage and then the following year he marries Mayte. And we were saying that he and Vanity at that point were sort of talking to each other through the media (her claim that she was praying for him and worried about him). Well it would be typical of Prince to also respond to her through song - what do you think of that theory?

it adds up, i think you nailed it

Goddess4Real said:

beachy said:

oh cool are they both on YT now?

Yuuuuuuuuup

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oh f*k you are good!

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

kellyna said:

Yes I agree especially as Prince seemed to be all-knowing about what was going on and I'm sure as he knew that she had chronic health problems and had helped her out financially in the past that he would have had someone keeping track of her. She had said in the past (2007) that they spoke occasionally and then more recently I think someone said it was 2013 when asked if she kept in touch with people from her past, she was vague and said yes but those things were private (so maybe they both wanted to keep it on the DL and keep it to themselves). Ahh - this line, "I could even believe it possible that his own deterioration started when she found out in September that she was probably going to die this time." made me feel sad for him.

But as we've all pointed out numerous times at least they are both at peace now and together!!

I hope he got to tell her too. That radio interview where the interviewer asks her if still keeps in touch with Prince was April 2015, just last year. She laughed it off, almost annoyingly, that it was a "private matter" then listed off- Susan M., Brenda B., and a few others from the good ole days and confirmed being in touch with them to detract from the initial question. In September was when doctors told her about the complication and even though she was not explicit that it was terminal, you got the sense from her FB post, that it was. Yes, it brings me a measure of comfort that they are 2gether again, testing in eternal peace.

so the question burning in my mind now is since she had the gofundme page up for medical expenses, I assume she needed surgery or treatment for the latest health issues. Did she die because she couldn't afford the treatment? Or because her body was not well enough for the treatment? Its sad that her last days had money stress.

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

well the books on Prince say that the actual breakup occurred in the summer of 83. Nilsens book says Prince met Susannah in May and fell for her. But Hahn's book said he conducted an intense affair with Jill Jones over the summer then got with Susannah in the fall, but had been pursuing her while she still had a boyfriend.

Since then the whole W&L camp inc Susan Rogers have tried to position Susannah as the love of his life, and have tried to write Vanity off as a fling.

And Prince broke up with Susannah for good in December, and then tried to get Vanity back in January.

Maybe Prince came to think Susannah had ulterior motives? I hesitate to say that, I could be completely off, and I have no other reason than this song to think she was anything but a great girlfriend. But that's all I can come up with.

Perhaps it is about Susannah but maybe there were others mixed in that time frame as well.

Who knows he was juggling alot of women eg. Ron Moss's wife, Anna, Sherilyn and Troy

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beachy said:

beachy said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said:

so the question burning in my mind now is since she had the gofundme page up for medical expenses, I assume she needed surgery or treatment for the latest health issues. Did she die because she couldn't afford the treatment? Or because her body was not well enough for the treatment? Its sad that her last days had money stress.

This is a burning question. There are treatments such chemotherapy and possibly others available for the condition she had. I don't know if her body was just too far gone to benefit from those. She did not say that publicly but I suspect that's what happened. As far as the gofundme account that never reached the goal, again Prince did things on the DL and I have a suspicion (I could be wrong), that he helped there and even possibly with other expenses. I could be wrong, I have no proof.

I don't know about that but in the past she had other illnesses (or complications) relating to dialysis and always pulled through. But this time I think it took a massive toll on her body, no matter how strong she was in her faith (and she was a strong woman) she didn't survive it. I like to think that God said Enough, come home and she did

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Goddess4Real said:

Goddess4Real said:

purplegirl00 said:

beachy said: This is a burning question. There are treatments such chemotherapy and possibly others available for the condition she had. I don't know if her body was just too far gone to benefit from those. She did not say that publicly but I suspect that's what happened. As far as the gofundme account that never reached the goal, again Prince did things on the DL and I have a suspicion (I could be wrong), that he helped there and even possibly with other expenses. I could be wrong, I have no proof.

I don't know about that but in the past she had other illnesses (or complications) relating to dialysis and always pulled through. But this time I think it took a massive toll on her body, no matter how strong she was in her faith (and she was a strong woman) she didn't survive it. I like to think that God said Enough, come home and she did

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About a day after Vanity died I saw a short story about it on the news and they were talking about that condition Sclerosing peritonitis that she had been diagnosed with in September and they had asked a medical expert about it and he was saying that it is something that often develops when a person has had to have dialysis for so many years. A major risk of dialysis is that you can develop this condition. The medical expert made a point of saying that generally your body can take dialysis for a few years and people usually do it while they wait for a kidney transplant. And he mentioned that dialysis is really not designed as a long term treatment - it's too hard on your body. I was curious afterward and looked it up on-line and it said it was almost always fatal - so that would explain why people said that on Vanity's facebook she sounded pretty grim about it as she was probably told she wouldn't survive more than six months with this condition.

Okay I get confused trying to keep track of all the women - who was Susannah? That's not Wendy's twin sister is it? Do we know how Prince met her? Is she some type of musician?

purplegirl00 said:

Goddess4Real said:

I don't know about that but in the past she had other illnesses (or complications) relating to dialysis and always pulled through. But this time I think it took a massive toll on her body, no matter how strong she was in her faith (and she was a strong woman) she didn't survive it. I like to think that God said Enough, come home and she did

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Yes she pulled through all those times and while there are treatments available for the condition she was dealing with, her body probably couldn't handle it. She was supposed to only live 3 days after that overdose '94 but she got 22 years more. That's a miracle within itself!

Just because you get a new kidney etc dosn't guarantee won't get complications. Its amazing she lasted this long and helped alot of people, and u know what she could have cashed in on Prince and all the other men she dated (I would admit I would probably want to read it for all the tea ), but she didn't. That says alot about her character. A friend of mine died a few months ago she had a metal heart valve replacement(around the same time as my mom) and she was only 43, her kidneys were failing, and her body from all the treatments and meds couldn't take it. It happens.

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