The don lemon show

I love that Van is so professional.. he's straight up a good guy, you can tell that he's there to make sure his friends legacy is positive and has only ever said positive things about everyone associated with Prince past or present.

lezama said:

I love that Van is so professional.. he's straight up a good guy, you can tell that he's there to make sure his friends legacy is positive and has only ever said positive things about everyone associated with Prince past or present.

However, he referred to "fams" as "fans".

BanishedBrian said:

lezama said:

I love that Van is so professional.. he's straight up a good guy, you can tell that he's there to make sure his friends legacy is positive and has only ever said positive things about everyone associated with Prince past or present.

However, he referred to "fams" as "fans".

Lol..

Damaris had a great message as well. I was thinking about this the other day, and I just thought about it again after reading someone say his entourage is all composed of "yes men" in another thread here on the org. I'm not sure about the "yes men" label, but from what I've seen, even if you don't like certain quirks about a persons personality, I can't think of a single person that's been in his entourage in the past ten years that didn't have a big heart and that don't seem to be good people. He knew what type of people he wanted to be around, and I don't think it simply had to do with how compliant they were with him. I think he genuinely wanted to be around positive people. People who had sincere love in them.

I saw it. She is soooo beautiful and articulate. I loved her message it was very touching. I like how she called Prince her best friend when Lemon asked if they were romantic or just friends. I personally feel like they were romantic (as I suspected before he passed away....) but I thought it was sweet she called him her bestfriend and said she loved him. Its nice she is respecting Prince privacy and not spilling any tea between the two. She seems very intelligent. Prince seemed to have a good circle around him.

lezama said:

Damaris had a great message as well. I was thinking about this the other day, and I just thought about it again after reading someone say his entourage is all composed of "yes men" in another thread here on the org. I'm not sure about the "yes men" label, but from what I've seen, even if you don't like certain quirks about a persons personality, I can't think of a single person that's been in his entourage in the past ten years that didn't have a big heart and that don't seem to be good people. He knew what type of people he wanted to be around, and I don't think it simply had to do with how compliant they were with him. I think he genuinely wanted to be around positive people. People who had sincere love in them.

I hear what you're saying here. My slight difference with you would be that it seems like Demaris didn't really know much about his private battles, as if he kept it all at a distance. If that's the case, what was the genesis for this great, unconditional love that she had for him? This will sound cynical, but I would argue it's because he's Prince, and has all that fame and history to him. If the love is based on him, not his fame, then it should develop from his openness with her. Would she have loved someone who stayed so private if he was just an average Mr. Nelson as opposed to Prince?

Separately, I find the whole "muse" thing too weird.

BanishedBrian said:

lezama said:

Damaris had a great message as well. I was thinking about this the other day, and I just thought about it again after reading someone say his entourage is all composed of "yes men" in another thread here on the org. I'm not sure about the "yes men" label, but from what I've seen, even if you don't like certain quirks about a persons personality, I can't think of a single person that's been in his entourage in the past ten years that didn't have a big heart and that don't seem to be good people. He knew what type of people he wanted to be around, and I don't think it simply had to do with how compliant they were with him. I think he genuinely wanted to be around positive people. People who had sincere love in them.

I hear what you're saying here. My slight difference with you would be that it seems like Demaris didn't really know much about his private battles, as if he kept it all at a distance. If that's the case, what was the genesis for this great, unconditional love that she had for him? This will sound cynical, but I would argue it's because he's Prince, and has all that fame and history to him. If the love is based on him, not his fame, then it should develop from his openness with her. Would she have loved someone who stayed so private if he was just an average Mr. Nelson as opposed to Prince?

Separately, I find the whole "muse" thing too weird.

I agree. I really think he and Damaris were just friends. He kept some of his friends at a distance, that's very clear. I don't think they dated. I feel like you could tell the difference when he was dating someone--even if he never confirmed it, just a certain chemistry showed through. Glad she had such positive things to say. Btw, I love Van and the way he is sharing these Prince stories and discussing Prince as the humanitarian.

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mjscarousal said:

I saw it. She is soooo beautiful and articulate. I loved her message it was very touching. I like how she called Prince her best friend when Lemon asked if they were romantic or just friends. I personally feel like they were romantic (as I suspected before he passed away....) but I thought it was sweet she called him her bestfriend and said she loved him. Its nice she is respecting Prince privacy and not spilling any tea between the two. She seems very intelligent. Prince seemed to have a good circle around him.

Prince would not have had a sexual relationship with her. Premarital sex is an unclean act that is a serious sin for a practicing JW.

BanishedBrian said:

mjscarousal said:

I saw it. She is soooo beautiful and articulate. I loved her message it was very touching. I like how she called Prince her best friend when Lemon asked if they were romantic or just friends. I personally feel like they were romantic (as I suspected before he passed away....) but I thought it was sweet she called him her bestfriend and said she loved him. Its nice she is respecting Prince privacy and not spilling any tea between the two. She seems very intelligent. Prince seemed to have a good circle around him.

Prince would not have had a sexual relationship with her. Premarital sex is an unclean act that is a serious sin for a practicing JW.

I don't think he dated and/or had sex with Damaris. I don't think he was celibate either though.

peri1025 said:

BanishedBrian said:

Prince would not have had a sexual relationship with her. Premarital sex is an unclean act that is a serious sin for a practicing JW.

I don't think he dated and/or had sex with Damaris. I don't think he was celibate either though.

I don't know if he succeeded in achieving 100% celibacy, but that was his stated goal as of the Jan 2014 Rolling Stone interview:

"RS: You've said that you're celibate.
P: Yeah, I'm celibate.

RS: Like, for real?
P: Well, it's all physical; all of that then turns into other things. Libido is energy. I go back and forth. It's like fasting: it's a practice and you get better at it over time, you know, but no one is perfect … With fasting, after four days, you don't want food anymore. You've got this thing that says "feed me, feed me," and then when it realizes it's not going to get fed, it goes away."

peri1025 said:

BanishedBrian said:

Prince would not have had a sexual relationship with her. Premarital sex is an unclean act that is a serious sin for a practicing JW.

I don't think he dated and/or had sex with Damaris. I don't think he was celibate either though.

Why is it impossible that they casually dated? You can still find someone attractive and like someone and not be sexual. For what its worth, I dont think he was celibate either.

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Very poised young lady. Nice interview.

BanishedBrian said:

lezama said:

Damaris had a great message as well. I was thinking about this the other day, and I just thought about it again after reading someone say his entourage is all composed of "yes men" in another thread here on the org. I'm not sure about the "yes men" label, but from what I've seen, even if you don't like certain quirks about a persons personality, I can't think of a single person that's been in his entourage in the past ten years that didn't have a big heart and that don't seem to be good people. He knew what type of people he wanted to be around, and I don't think it simply had to do with how compliant they were with him. I think he genuinely wanted to be around positive people. People who had sincere love in them.

I hear what you're saying here. My slight difference with you would be that it seems like Demaris didn't really know much about his private battles, as if he kept it all at a distance. If that's the case, what was the genesis for this great, unconditional love that she had for him? This will sound cynical, but I would argue it's because he's Prince, and has all that fame and history to him. If the love is based on him, not his fame, then it should develop from his openness with her. Would she have loved someone who stayed so private if he was just an average Mr. Nelson as opposed to Prince?

Separately, I find the whole "muse" thing too weird.

Yeah.. the "muse" thing is weird.. I'm not sure if that was CNN's idea.. I got that impression that that's what they were trying to insinuate from Don's question about whether they were dating. I agree with you about the distance. I can't profess to speak for anyone other than me, but I can love people unconditionally without needing to know everything about them.. but only because I don't necessarily open up 100% to even my closest friends either. I might open up 50-80% but not 100%, there's always things I just don't feel others need to know. Allowing yourself to be completely vulnerable to another isn't easy.. or maybe it's better put that some people are better at that than others... and I could imagine someone like him, he probably felt he had a lot to lose if he let himself be vulnerable to the wrong people, so he likely just developed a habit of not divulging much to anyone.. to be safe.. or to maintain a tiny bit of control in his relationships.

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Sorry for the armchair psychology.. just speculating. But I didn't get any feeling from her that she was being in any way disingenuous in her description of their relationship

i thought he was dating someone names Jeannette?

I did meet Damaris at the cd release party, very nice, great smile

mjscarousal said:

It is evident that the friends Prince had in the years close to his death were YES men. Most were former FANS.

SAD.

It has always seemed to me that the line between the platonic and romantic was blurred with Prince. Some of his female friends and associates were certainly just friends. Every woman on his arm, was probably not an intimate partner. Most likely, knowing how private Prince was, a lot of these women were probably 'date decoys' so we never really knew just who he was dating.

keenly said:

It is evident that the friends Prince had in the years close to his death were YES men. Most were former FANS.

SAD.

Stop trolling. You've been posting all negative responses in regards to Prince on various threads now and it's old and immature.

missfee said:

keenly said:

It is evident that the friends Prince had in the years close to his death were YES men. Most were former FANS.

SAD.

Stop trolling. You've been posting all negative responses in regards to Prince on various threads now and it's old and immature.

Nonsense. I have spoke the unmitigated truth.

keenly said:

missfee said:

Stop trolling. You've been posting all negative responses in regards to Prince on various threads now and it's old and immature.

Nonsense. I have spoke the unmitigated truth.

You can't speak unmitigated truth about you've never in your entire life met. Do yourself a favor and take several seats.

She was not in relationship with Prince, told Damaris in this interview , she made all clear.

Very nice words from her and great respect for Prince 's privacy.

http://extratv.com/videos/0-i1630fy1/

[Edited 5/16/16 2:43am]

Judith Hill posted that recent Facebook letter about the deep love they had between them...She almost comes across like a jilted lover, you know? In truth, it wasn't a sexual connection with Prince that she has lost. You could say, that there was a purity of intention in his connection with all these "muse" ladies that was MORE heart-centered than a groin connection could be for him. Basically he surrounded himself with beautiful, passionate, ambitious and somewhat talented -- and extremely young!-- women. And I believe he gave of himself to them all, though not through the sharing of personal information. But through a deliberate mentoring process. He listened to their dreams and validated them. Encouraged. Gave them confidence. So it was all about them, ultimately. However, they were authentically there for him, too, in the sense that yes, they knew who he was, and they surely had a sese of awe and deep gratitude towards this man. But the girls he was investing his time in in these last years, they were young and innocent, just at the starting line. Their enthusiasm, humor, energy, beauty, and GRATEFULNESS certainly was beneficial for Prince. He probably felt like a million bucks hanging out with the lovely, sweet, authentic ladies who looked up to him in the most innocent way. They made him laugh, made him feel useful and gave him purpose. He was the Purple Yoda. Yoda doesn't reveal to Luke his inner landscape, his past, his pain. But does that make his relationship with Luke any less profound? A deep bond is formed when the elder passes the wisdom down to the next generation. So, in sum, I reeeeally don't think he was boning the women he was working with in the last years. Above all, definitely not Damaris. That girl is adorable, but she is filled with a childlike energy that borders on annoying kid sis (remember the phone call prank she did on that Australian radio show??). That was funny but not sexy. Prince gave her opportunities, and she adored him for his kindness and his caring spirit. His generosity knew no bounds.

[Edited 5/16/16 3:49am]

[Edited 5/16/16 4:00am]

peri1025 said:

twinkieG said:

Judith Hill posted that recent Facebook letter about the deep love they had between them...She almost comes across like a jilted lover, you know? In truth, it wasn't a sexual connection with Prince that she has lost. You could say, that there was a purity of intention in his connection with all these "muse" ladies that was MORE heart-centered than a groin connection could be for him. Basically he surrounded himself with beautiful, passionate, ambitious and somewhat talented -- and extremely young!-- women. And I believe he gave of himself to them all, though not through the sharing of personal information. But through a deliberate mentoring process. He listened to their dreams and validated them. Encouraged. Gave them confidence. So it was all about them, ultimately. However, they were authentically there for him, too, in the sense that yes, they knew who he was, and they surely had a sese of awe and deep gratitude towards this man. But the girls he was investing his time in in these last years, they were young and innocent, just at the starting line. Their enthusiasm, humor, energy, beauty, and GRATEFULNESS certainly was beneficial for Prince. He probably felt like a million bucks hanging out with the lovely, sweet, authentic ladies who looked up to him in the most innocent way. They made him laugh, made him feel useful and gave him purpose. He was the Purple Yoda. Yoda doesn't reveal to Luke his inner landscape, his past, his pain. But does that make his relationship with Luke any less profound? A deep bond is formed when the elder passes the wisdom down to the next generation. So, in sum, I reeeeally don't think he was boning the women he was working with in the last years.

Good insight--it may very well be true.

cardinal said:

i thought the wake up call in australia was hilarious, and his comment about how they had to "shave her down" to look like that. a nice, fun friendship they had, it seems. and i am sure not everyone would be able to get away with calling prince and waking him up. hanging up on "victoria" at the end was good.

That was hilarious I thought also.

Can't help but notice the major amount of jealous females criticizing poor Damaris.

As for her supposed "coldness" -I only got a sense of a person wanting to be respectful about her dead friend. Not someone who was callous or indifferent about it.

Why should she have to be blubbering in order to be sad?

In fact, I would suggest that she was so poised because SHE KNEW he was dying or extremely sick. Other clues are how she responds to the question about his health by fairly quickly jumping to saying that those close need to keep Prince's privacy. .,..then she mentions she "can" say that he had the flu.

This and her other comments about people needing to understand that in his final years he did what he wanted (she gives the example of the selfie they took together on Prince's suggestion) .

...All of this, along with...

- rumours and hearsay

- his supposed seeing dead people

- doing a sit down tour without an entourage

- making amends with people, forgiving people he used to be on bad terms with

These reasons and a few I have forgotten, lead me to believe that he KNEW he was dying or at least that he was very sick and had told his close friends about it.

EloiseEloise said:

cardinal said: