anyone want to explain why this is acceptable??

luvsexy4all said:

he's promoting his own illegal use of his music??

what are we talking about?

Is this about the concert video? If so, there's a really weird thing going on--one of the comments gives a link to another view of the same show (or at least says it does)--but when I clicked, I got a message that it was removed due to a claim by NPG. So, that's strange. One fan-shot vid gets tweeted, another gets taken down?

TwiliteKid said:

alandail said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone want to explain why this is acceptable??

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

alandail said:

what are we talking about?

I'm also fed-up with people creating threads assuming everyone knows what they're talking about.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone want to explain why this is acceptable??

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

Polo1026 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

There was no possible negotiation: Prince said no, all they could do was to engage in a costly legal battle that they weren't certain to win, which would have been silly given how little money they would make with Condensate, so they didn't. I may be wrong but I think I remember they actually said they did ask Prince if he wanted to contribute a few tracks or play on the albumand he send them away to hell saying he wouldn't have anything to dfo with the project.

However I understand his wish to remain sole owner of the name: it's probably his only hope to reclaim the masters for the Time albums from WB and succeed, and with the exception of the non-Prince tracks on Pandemonium I agree that those masters belong to him, not the band or WB.

Regarding posting a link to a bootleg video I don't see the harm as long as Morris Day And The Time do not object to such videos being posted online. Lots of artist don't mind fans posting bootleg vids on YT and therefore the fact that Prince does mind doesn't mean that he has to condemn other artists' wishes. He just made MD&TT some publicity, I don't see any harm in that, it's a way for him to say he still supports them as long as they don't release albums under the name The Time.

Polo1026 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

What in the hell are YOU talking about??? Prince is the one that didn't want to negotiate nor be involved! A lot of people are confused that Prince is always the innocent victim of someone else's greed and bad business practices, when he's actually the motherfucking villain!

databank said:

iZsaZsa said:

databank said:

I'm also fed-up with people creating threads assuming everyone knows what they're talking about.

He always does that. Luvsexy4all, you always do that.

Communication skills impairment?

I've known some people who do that in real life: jump to a topic out of the blue and assume u know what they're sayin. They had very few friends I can tell you

[Edited 12/17/15 5:26am]

databank said:

databank said:

Polo1026 said:

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

There was no possible negotiation: Prince said no, all they could do was to engage in a costly legal battle that they weren't certain to win, which would have been silly given how little money they would make with Condensate, so they didn't. I may be wrong but I think I remember they actually said they did ask Prince if he wanted to contribute a few tracks or play on the albumand he send them away to hell saying he wouldn't have anything to dfo with the project.

However I understand his wish to remain sole owner of the name: it's probably his only hope to reclaim the masters for the Time albums from WB and succeed, and with the exception of the non-Prince tracks on Pandemonium I agree that those masters belong to him, not the band or WB.

Regarding posting a link to a bootleg video I don't see the harm as long as Morris Day And The Time do not object to such videos being posted online. Lots of artist don't mind fans posting bootleg vids on YT and therefore the fact that Prince does mind doesn't mean that he has to condemn other artists' wishes. He just made MD&TT some publicity, I don't see any harm in that, it's a way for him to say he still supports them as long as they don't release albums under the name The Time.

Not on the org

luv4u said:

databank said:

There was no possible negotiation: Prince said no, all they could do was to engage in a costly legal battle that they weren't certain to win, which would have been silly given how little money they would make with Condensate, so they didn't. I may be wrong but I think I remember they actually said they did ask Prince if he wanted to contribute a few tracks or play on the albumand he send them away to hell saying he wouldn't have anything to dfo with the project.

However I understand his wish to remain sole owner of the name: it's probably his only hope to reclaim the masters for the Time albums from WB and succeed, and with the exception of the non-Prince tracks on Pandemonium I agree that those masters belong to him, not the band or WB.

Regarding posting a link to a bootleg video I don't see the harm as long as Morris Day And The Time do not object to such videos being posted online. Lots of artist don't mind fans posting bootleg vids on YT and therefore the fact that Prince does mind doesn't mean that he has to condemn other artists' wishes. He just made MD&TT some publicity, I don't see any harm in that, it's a way for him to say he still supports them as long as they don't release albums under the name The Time.

Not on the org

I meant for Prince twitting the link, not us here.

databank said:

luv4u said:

Not on the org

I meant for Prince twitting the link, not us here.

Thanks for the clarification

iZsaZsa said:

databank said:

I'm also fed-up with people creating threads assuming everyone knows what they're talking about.

He always does that. Luvsexy4all, you always do that.

shoot me...

EddieC said:

Is this about the concert video? If so, there's a really weird thing going on--one of the comments gives a link to another view of the same show (or at least says it does)--but when I clicked, I got a message that it was removed due to a claim by NPG. So, that's strange. One fan-shot vid gets tweeted, another gets taken down?

this is the twitted link

[link snip - luv4u]

As stated on the banner at the top of the forum.........

luvsexy4all said:

luvsexy4all said:

EddieC said:

Is this about the concert video? If so, there's a really weird thing going on--one of the comments gives a link to another view of the same show (or at least says it does)--but when I clicked, I got a message that it was removed due to a claim by NPG. So, that's strange. One fan-shot vid gets tweeted, another gets taken down?

this is the twitted link

LINK REDACTED BECAUSE ... WELL, BECAUSE PRINCE IS UNPREDICTABLE, AND WE DON"T WANT TO ANTAGONIZE HIIM

Yes, I know--that's why I was able to comment about it, and about a comment that appeared on the video's comment section. But since luv4u reiterated just a few posts up that we can't put the link here, you should probably edit it out of your post (as I've done in my quote).

Polo1026 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

the Time like the Family wanted to work with Prince,

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone want to explain why this is acceptable??

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

Say what you want about Prince but lets face it - that Original 7 album was the weakest thing that was ever associated with any memeber of the Time. And that wasnt Prince's fault.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luvsexy4all said:

anyone want to explain why this is acceptable??

For me...it's not acceptable. It's actually...in a word...HYPOCRISY! When the original 7 members of The Time got back together, something US/WE fans really WANTED for DECADES! Prince acted deplorably like the ASS he can be and way too often IS...wouldn't let them use their damn name! Therefore-- in my eyes-- DELIBERATELY sabotaged what SHOULD have been THEIR fucking awesome comeback!

So all I've got for his sudden Twitter link pittance of Morris Day and everybody NOT The Time is...

[Edited 12/16/15 21:07pm]

And where did you get that footage of Brandy when she watched me drop my drawz for her? Was there a spy cam?

databank said:

Polo1026 said:

What in the hell are you guys talking about? Morris changed the name to Morris Day and the Time. The Original 7even came about because they didn't want to negotiate with Prince to get the name the Time and didn't want to involve Prince on any future albums. Remember, The Time is a Prince creation, owned by him, he doesn't have to give them the name if they don't want to do business to get it. A lot of people are confused that these guys are all really close childhood friends, they are not.

[Edited 12/16/15 22:48pm]

[Edited 12/16/15 22:54pm]

There was no possible negotiation: Prince said no, all they could do was to engage in a costly legal battle that they weren't certain to win, which would have been silly given how little money they would make with Condensate, so they didn't. I may be wrong but I think I remember they actually said they did ask Prince if he wanted to contribute a few tracks or play on the albumand he send them away to hell saying he wouldn't have anything to dfo with the project.

However I understand his wish to remain sole owner of the name: it's probably his only hope to reclaim the masters for the Time albums from WB and succeed, and with the exception of the non-Prince tracks on Pandemonium I agree that those masters belong to him, not the band or WB.

Regarding posting a link to a bootleg video I don't see the harm as long as Morris Day And The Time do not object to such videos being posted online. Lots of artist don't mind fans posting bootleg vids on YT and therefore the fact that Prince does mind doesn't mean that he has to condemn other artists' wishes. He just made MD&TT some publicity, I don't see any harm in that, it's a way for him to say he still supports them as long as they don't release albums under the name The Time.

I agree with everything you said, except the masters SHOULD belong to him solely, when he didn't write perform, or record any of the music of The Time's 4 albums solely. I'm not sure how you got that part wrong.

funksterr said:

databank said:

There was no possible negotiation: Prince said no, all they could do was to engage in a costly legal battle that they weren't certain to win, which would have been silly given how little money they would make with Condensate, so they didn't. I may be wrong but I think I remember they actually said they did ask Prince if he wanted to contribute a few tracks or play on the albumand he send them away to hell saying he wouldn't have anything to dfo with the project.

However I understand his wish to remain sole owner of the name: it's probably his only hope to reclaim the masters for the Time albums from WB and succeed, and with the exception of the non-Prince tracks on Pandemonium I agree that those masters belong to him, not the band or WB.

Regarding posting a link to a bootleg video I don't see the harm as long as Morris Day And The Time do not object to such videos being posted online. Lots of artist don't mind fans posting bootleg vids on YT and therefore the fact that Prince does mind doesn't mean that he has to condemn other artists' wishes. He just made MD&TT some publicity, I don't see any harm in that, it's a way for him to say he still supports them as long as they don't release albums under the name The Time.

I agree with everything you said, except the masters SHOULD belong to him solely, when he didn't write perform, or record any of the music of The Time's 4 albums solely. I'm not sure how you got that part wrong.

You mean DID not DIDN'T, don't you?

Masters ownership is a complex issue and so far we don't really know what's gonna happen with this 35 years reversal law that's been applicable only for 4 years.

If u follow that thinking then everyone who was involved in composing, producing, arranging or playing on a song could legitimately claim a share of masters ownership: in the case of Prince that means a lot of people could also claim a share of his own songs, from the "Prince "albums.

There's no precedent of legal battles over masters ownership/retrocession yet so when/if that happens we'll see what the judges decide, because the law isn't clear and it'll become a matter of jurisprudence.

As the leading artistic force behind most of the recordings of The Time, the 6's and Sheila E., I think Prince is entitled to reclaim the masters from WB.

Of course it gets tricky with Sheila because while The Time and the 6's were concepts, Sheila was a person (he can't forbid her to use her name for example), but her 2 first albums save Merci, and half of the third album is basically Prince music with some contrbutions by Sheila and others. On the other hand Prince gave Sheila the royalties on most of Romance 1600 so legally he can't even claim the songs as his own compositions.

As for The Time and the 6's half of Pandemonium is the band, the rest is Prince or Prince and some other bandmembers. But Dez for example could after all claim a share of After Hi School since he wrote it (even if he wasn't involved in the recording itself).

And again can composing be involved at all since we are talking about recordings? Should only the people involved in the recording itself be involved?

My take is that Prince is the only one in a financial position to begin a legal battle with WB about this, save Jam & Lewis but they don't give a damn. Starting next year Prince will be in a position to try and reclaim The Time. We'll see if he does and if so, what happens. Or maybe he'll wait 2025 so he can reclaim everything from The Time to Pandemonium at once (including the 6's and Sheila).

I'd just be really surprised if he totally gave up on those albums: he clearly considers them part of his legacy.

On the other hands Prince owns the masters to the 2 George Clinton albums released on PP and to Come 2 My House for example. Chaka has already expressed interest in fighting WB to get her old masters back and rerelease her whole catalogue: will she do so and if so, will she reclaim C2MH as well?

As for Clinton I'm pretty surprised he doesn't seem to care much about his past catalogue but the day he passes, I wouldn't be surprised if his estate gave a shot at reclaiming everything post 1976, including the PP albums.

databank said:

iZsaZsa said:

databank said: He always does that. Luvsexy4all, you always do that.

Communication skills impairment?

I've known some people who do that in real life: jump to a topic out of the blue and assume u know what they're sayin. They had very few friends I can tell you

[Edited 12/17/15 5:26am]

u must be 'friends" with a well-known *unt zel

databank said:

funksterr said:

I agree with everything you said, except the masters SHOULD belong to him solely, when he didn't write perform, or record any of the music of The Time's 4 albums solely. I'm not sure how you got that part wrong.

You mean DID not DIDN'T, don't you?

Masters ownership is a complex issue and so far we don't really know what's gonna happen with this 35 years reversal law that's been applicable only for 4 years.

If u follow that thinking then everyone who was involved in composing, producing, arranging or playing on a song could legitimately claim a share of masters ownership: in the case of Prince that means a lot of people could also claim a share of his own songs, from the "Prince "albums.

Unless it comes out that Morris, Jesse, and Prince are the same person, Prince definitely didn't write all the music and perform all the music by himself. And of course Pandemonium has Monte, Jam and Lewis writing and performing as well.

The rest of what you wrote is unnecessarily complicated and what I said was just my personal opinion of what shoud happed given that other people contributed too.