This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/arti...urple_rain

Zannaloaf said:

This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/articles/detail/prince_and_the_making_of_purple_rain

Fascinating, makes me wanna read the whole thang!

Zannaloaf said:

This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/arti...urple_rain

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Maybe I missed the sarcasm but seriously who could hate the revolution??????????

robertgeorge said:

Zannaloaf said:

This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/arti...urple_rain

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Maybe I missed the sarcasm but seriously who could hate the revolution??????????

Good question.

robertgeorge said:

Zannaloaf said:

This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/arti...urple_rain

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Maybe I missed the sarcasm but seriously who could hate the revolution??????????

Prince hates them. They took him too a higher level and his ego can't take it.

robertgeorge said:

Zannaloaf said:

This will irritate some Revolution haterz....I'm guessing.

http://www.relix.com/arti...urple_rain

'

Maybe I missed the sarcasm but seriously who could hate the revolution??????????

There are some Revolution haters here

funksterr said:

robertgeorge said:

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Maybe I missed the sarcasm but seriously who could hate the revolution??????????

Prince hates them. They took him too a higher level and his ego can't take it.

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Prince hates them. They took him too a higher level and his ego can't take it.

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

Depends what you want from a band to be honest.

To me, The Revolution is THE definitive Prince band.

jaawwnn said:

laurarichardson said:

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

Depends what you want from a band to be honest.

Well maybe they were not what he wanted to be. The truth is he went on to do pretty well for himself members of the Revolution not so much.

laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Prince hates them. They took him too a higher level and his ego can't take it.

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

What did anyone in the Sign O The Times band or Musicology band write that was better than what The Revolution wrote? The Revolution contributed to tons of songs including all the best official albums and unofficial albums and parts of SOTT, the album. The Rev probably play more on SOTT, the album, than the SOTT band, who with the exception of Eric Leeds, also don't play a note on SOTT the concert movie. The only evidence we have of what the SOTT's band sounds like come from bootlegs and I always thought they were a bit of a letdown, compared with how I expected them to sound based on SOTT the movie.

The Musicology band was a nameless, faceless, temporary crew with no identity as a unit. Every Prince fan knows Wendy, Lisa, and Dr Fink. Only the Prince hardcore fans know who is in the Musicology band, or cares even, because they had NO HITS. All I can recall from that era is that the band was hard on the eyes and Prince intentionally mumbled all the lyrics rendering every concert a cringe-worthy experience to listen back to.

I never cared about the supposed superior musicianship of some of Prince's hired guns bands. They have no personality, no chemistry with Prince and as a result, no hits. The Revolution was plenty talented and they are iconic due to the Purple Rain era. They inspired Prince more than any other band ever has or ever will. Prince has literally run his career in the ground, trying to replicate that energy and outdo that unit.

Every new album and tour that does not feature them, faces an uphill battle, and a certain level of disappointment because they are the originators of much of the hits. Every other band feels fake and incomplete. Like that time when "The Dukes Of Hazzard" replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vince. Or on Sanford and Son, when Redd Foxx went on strike, and Grady moved in with Lamont. Or when "Roger" replace "Richie" on Happy Days. Or when.. ok I think you get what I'm saying now so I'll stop.

My only issue is that if you say that Prince is nothing without the Revolution,isnt is safe tosay that the Revolution members are nothing without PRince? Their own individual body of work is not very good at all. I bought all of them and ended up giving them away at the library. but the argument is always one way and its like a white elephant inthe room. Nobody wants to talk the awful work of Matt Fink and BrownMark and I know many are Wendy and Lisa fans but I cant get into their music. I tried but its so unforgettable and not ground breaking. I just sense a hyprocrisy when it comes to them. They benefitted EACH OTHER.

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The Revolution fucking sucks balls!

2freaky4church1 said:

The Revolution fucking sucks balls!

Nooooo. They are good.

funksterr said:

What did anyone in the Sign O The Times band or Musicology band write that was better than what The Revolution wrote? The Revolution contributed to tons of songs including all the best official albums and unofficial albums and parts of SOTT, the album. The Rev probably play more on SOTT, the album, than the SOTT band, who with the exception of Eric Leeds, also don't play a note on SOTT the concert movie. The only evidence we have of what the SOTT's band sounds like come from bootlegs and I always thought they were a bit of a letdown, compared with how I expected them to sound based on SOTT the movie.


I never cared about the supposed superior musicianship of some of Prince's hired guns bands. They have no personality, no chemistry with Prince and as a result, no hits. The Revolution was plenty talented and they are iconic due to the Purple Rain era. They inspired Prince more than any other band ever has or ever will. Prince has literally run his career in the ground, trying to replicate that energy and outdo that unit.

Every new album and tour that does not feature them, faces an uphill battle, and a certain level of disappointment because they are the originators of much of the hits. Every other band feels fake and incomplete. Like that time when "The Dukes Of Hazzard" replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vince. Or on Sanford and Son, when Redd Foxx went on strike, and Grady moved in with Lamont. Or when "Roger" replace "Richie" on Happy Days. Or when.. ok I think you get what I'm saying now so I'll stop.

well,to be fair,The Revolution was simply fortunate enough to be Prince's band during his commercial heyday I personally think that the SOTT/Lovesexy band was better.Prince's popularity was slipping at that point,though,but it's through no fault of the excellent band he had at that time.

funksterr said:

laurarichardson said:

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

What did anyone in the Sign O The Times band or Musicology band write that was better than what The Revolution wrote? The Revolution contributed to tons of songs including all the best official albums and unofficial albums and parts of SOTT, the album. The Rev probably play more on SOTT, the album, than the SOTT band, who with the exception of Eric Leeds, also don't play a note on SOTT the concert movie. The only evidence we have of what the SOTT's band sounds like come from bootlegs and I always thought they were a bit of a letdown, compared with how I expected them to sound based on SOTT the movie.

The Musicology band was a nameless, faceless, temporary crew with no identity as a unit. Every Prince fan knows Wendy, Lisa, and Dr Fink. Only the Prince hardcore fans know who is in the Musicology band, or cares even, because they had NO HITS. All I can recall from that era is that the band was hard on the eyes and Prince intentionally mumbled all the lyrics rendering every concert a cringe-worthy experience to listen back to.

I never cared about the supposed superior musicianship of some of Prince's hired guns bands. They have no personality, no chemistry with Prince and as a result, no hits. The Revolution was plenty talented and they are iconic due to the Purple Rain era. They inspired Prince more than any other band ever has or ever will. Prince has literally run his career in the ground, trying to replicate that energy and outdo that unit.

Every new album and tour that does not feature them, faces an uphill battle, and a certain level of disappointment because they are the originators of much of the hits. Every other band feels fake and incomplete. Like that time when "The Dukes Of Hazzard" replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vince. Or on Sanford and Son, when Redd Foxx went on strike, and Grady moved in with Lamont. Or when "Roger" replace "Richie" on Happy Days. Or when.. ok I think you get what I'm saying now so I'll stop.

Really?

funksterr said:

laurarichardson said:

Stop smoking crack. The Sign Times band and the Musicology bands were better than Revolution.

I think that Sheila E's band were better.

What did anyone in the Sign O The Times band or Musicology band write that was better than what The Revolution wrote? The Revolution contributed to tons of songs including all the best official albums and unofficial albums and parts of SOTT, the album.

Exactly what songs would that be?

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I'd like to read this book, but I'll also say that I never give two hoots whos on stage playing with Prince.

As long as Prince is there, upfront with guitar face and lookin fresh... I'm good. The end.

SoulAlive said:

funksterr said:

What did anyone in the Sign O The Times band or Musicology band write that was better than what The Revolution wrote? The Revolution contributed to tons of songs including all the best official albums and unofficial albums and parts of SOTT, the album. The Rev probably play more on SOTT, the album, than the SOTT band, who with the exception of Eric Leeds, also don't play a note on SOTT the concert movie. The only evidence we have of what the SOTT's band sounds like come from bootlegs and I always thought they were a bit of a letdown, compared with how I expected them to sound based on SOTT the movie.


I never cared about the supposed superior musicianship of some of Prince's hired guns bands. They have no personality, no chemistry with Prince and as a result, no hits. The Revolution was plenty talented and they are iconic due to the Purple Rain era. They inspired Prince more than any other band ever has or ever will. Prince has literally run his career in the ground, trying to replicate that energy and outdo that unit.

Every new album and tour that does not feature them, faces an uphill battle, and a certain level of disappointment because they are the originators of much of the hits. Every other band feels fake and incomplete. Like that time when "The Dukes Of Hazzard" replaced Bo and Luke with Coy and Vince. Or on Sanford and Son, when Redd Foxx went on strike, and Grady moved in with Lamont. Or when "Roger" replace "Richie" on Happy Days. Or when.. ok I think you get what I'm saying now so I'll stop.

well,to be fair,The Revolution was simply fortunate enough to be Prince's band during his commercial heyday I personally think that the SOTT/Lovesexy band was better.Prince's popularity was slipping at that point,though,but it's through no fault of the excellent band he had at that time.

I think that's a common misconception. There is a reason why Prince has never even come close to what he had with The Revolution. As soon as that band broke up, his compositions begin to lack in a BIG way. I have love for all the bands, tbh, but take the Revolution era tracks off SOTT, Lovesexy, Graffitti Bridge and those albums are awful. Most of his remaining albums are also somewhere between awful and mediocre. The SOTT and LoveSexy bands are just so damn sexy with Cat and Sheila E that I think we overrate them.

The bootlegged Revolution era tracks that have come out, are a thousand times more creative than anything else Prince has ever done. At least with The Revolution, the album tracks that had less potential as singles, could hang their hat on being creative successes. Can you honestly say that about many of the tracks on his other albums? Are there any creative success on D&P? ? Come? Rave?

It comes down to the chemistry within that band.

Prince's reputation from The Revolution era is so strong that it has fueled him every since. People just assume because, Prince is the visionary, he leads and rehearses the band and finalizes all the tracks, often by playing all the parts himself, that everybody else in the process inconsequential. But that's not really true.

He vibes off the personalities within the band. How they improvise with him matter. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the Levi and Prince combination. Levi is bad as hell as a musician, but I don't like the chemistry he had with Prince and I don't think together they wrote very good music. The Revolution was better. Same thing with Sonny, Michael B, Tommy, Morris Hayes... helluva talent, but the chemistry is not very good.

And with that, some of you need to actually READ the article linked by OP, before disagreeing, lol. The process described in that article in the same that you read in interviews with 3EG, SOTT crew, the various NPG, Morris Day, Sheila E, everybody. The process in the same but the results vary depending on who he was rolling with at the time, and that's why The Revolution is Prince's best backing band ever, and it's shameful how he fukked them out of the 30th anniversary and RRHOF.

funksterr said:

SoulAlive said:

well,to be fair,The Revolution was simply fortunate enough to be Prince's band during his commercial heyday I personally think that the SOTT/Lovesexy band was better.Prince's popularity was slipping at that point,though,but it's through no fault of the excellent band he had at that time.

I think that's a common misconception. There is a reason why Prince has never even come close to what he had with The Revolution. As soon as that band broke up, his compositions begin to lack in a BIG way. I have love for all the bands, tbh, but take the Revolution era tracks off SOTT, Lovesexy, Graffitti Bridge and those albums are awful. Most of his remaining albums are also somewhere between awful and mediocre. The SOTT and LoveSexy bands are just so damn sexy with Cat and Sheila E that I think we overrate them.

The bootlegged Revolution era tracks that have come out, are a thousand times more creative than anything else Prince has ever done. At least with The Revolution, the album tracks that had less potential as singles, could hang their hat on being creative successes. Can you honestly say that about many of the tracks on his other albums? Are there any creative success on D&P? ? Come? Rave?

It comes down to the chemistry within that band.

Prince's reputation from The Revolution era is so strong that it has fueled him every since. People just assume because, Prince is the visionary, he leads and rehearses the band and finalizes all the tracks, often by playing all the parts himself, that everybody else in the process inconsequential. But that's not really true.

He vibes off the personalities within the band. How they improvise with him matter. That's one of the reasons why I don't like the Levi and Prince combination. Levi is bad as hell as a musician, but I don't like the chemistry he had with Prince and I don't think together they wrote very good music. The Revolution was better. Same thing with Sonny, Michael B, Tommy, Morris Hayes... helluva talent, but the chemistry is not very good.

And with that, some of you need to actually READ the article linked by OP, before disagreeing, lol. The process described in that article in the same that you read in interviews with 3EG, SOTT crew, the various NPG, Morris Day, Sheila E, everybody. The process in the same but the results vary depending on who he was rolling with at the time, and that's why The Revolution is Prince's best backing band ever, and it's shameful how he fukked them out of the 30th anniversary and RRHOF.

I agree. And those leaked bootlegs are JAMZ!

clearly many of you all didnt bother reading the excerpt that clearly states some of the role they played in contributing to crafting these songs. Considering the constant meme that Prince did it all himself we are finding that - surprise- he didnt. And that takes ZERO from Prince, but it certainbly points to this band being far more (relatively) involved than many rabid fans want to acknowledge. Frankly my love for the Revolution came from it being an intergrated unit. A true band. Other people he played with may have had more chops and what have you, but mostly that made it less interesting to me as a force of music, rather it being about showcasing individuals, or in recent cases a support system. I prefer it when I see poeple who know each other mjsically and give space to each other space rather than hearing just a lot of notes or complicated passages. It's all about what your ear hears. I always heard a creative team with that band.

Zannaloaf said:

clearly many of you all didnt bother reading the excerpt that clearly states some of the role they played in contributing to crafting these songs. Considering the constant meme that Prince did it all himself we are finding that - surprise- he didnt. that band.

Let's take what u say at face value.............where are the hits these folks produced on their own?

discussion is way off topic

I like the article

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A lot was happening during the make of Purple Rain

Apollonia 6 album songs had full Revolution participation

all Prince on song songs

Some songs had Sheila E some Rev band members

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Purple Rain the album 3 song were only Prince

Take Me with U had Lisa Jill Jones and Bobby Z on drums

the Rest of the album was Prince & the Revolution

Graycap23 said:

Zannaloaf said:

clearly many of you all didnt bother reading the excerpt that clearly states some of the role they played in contributing to crafting these songs. Considering the constant meme that Prince did it all himself we are finding that - surprise- he didnt. that band.

Let's take what u say at face value.............where are the hits these folks produced on their own?

I noticed none of these Revolution defenders answered you. It's like crickets whenever this question is asked. Dont you love hypocrisy? It's like Prince aint shit without the Revolution but what are they without Prince? I get that they were a powerhouse together but no one ever wants to address the awful post-Revolution music from the band members themselves. Its always about Prince's awful post-Revolution work. Doublestandard.

The only associated artists that can say their work superexceeds Prince's after they left the camp in terms of hits are Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.

[Edited 12/6/14 8:20am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

discussion is way off topic

I like the article

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A lot was happening during the make of Purple Rain

Apollonia 6 album songs had full Revolution participation

all Prince on song songs

Some songs had Sheila E some Rev band members

.

Purple Rain the album 3 song were only Prince

Take Me with U had Lisa Jill Jones and Bobby Z on drums

the Rest of the album was Prince & the Revolution

Nah. I think the OP set the tone.

Graycap23 said:

I love the Revolution ( I absolutely love the original NPG with Michael B, Sonny, Morris and Barbarella, too, but even the NPG would tell you that they LOVE the Revolution , too)..

I love what Lisa Coleman brought to Prince´s sound, I love Brownmark´s bass playing style, and of course Dr.Fink´s contributions and even Bobby Z even though he mostly triggered the LM-1 sounds, and you can´t deny Wendy´s influence as a person and creatively...

The Revolution is THE quintessential Prince band BUT....all the diehard Revolution fans should not forget that Prince wrote, composed and produced the majority of 1999 all by himself, and he wrote some of his all time greatest songs such as When Doves Cry, The Beautiful Ones, Condition of the Heart, Something In The Water etc. etc. all by himself, without any input from anybody.

.

Graycap23 said:

Zannaloaf said:

clearly many of you all didnt bother reading the excerpt that clearly states some of the role they played in contributing to crafting these songs. Considering the constant meme that Prince did it all himself we are finding that - surprise- he didnt. that band.

Let's take what u say at face value.............where are the hits these folks produced on their own?

sorry i didnt answer earlier busy with work and holidays.
Where are the E. Street Bands hits? Where are the Family Stone hits? Where are the Rolling Stones without Jagger hits? Funk Brothers without Motown singers? EWF suffered as it lost some of it's key arrangers in the band. Not many have big hits - but individuals are part of what made the sound - and the whole band feel like it does becasue people contribute. They play off of each other. If you can't get that, you can't. What made Michael Jackson blow up? Qincy Jones as producer. Dd he WRITE the hits? Nope. Did he sinfg them? no again. But clearly his contribution moved Jackson in a direction that he had not previously. Tone of examples are had in pop music where the band, producers, writers, etc add to the best of what the lead singer does. In the case of Prince and the Revoluton I believe and hear that they brought somethong to the sound that Prince has never recaptured on his own. Which I'm ok with...people move on. But to pretend working wth other artists doesnt influence or affect on any level is ridiculous.

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Zannaloaf said:

Graycap23 said:

Let's take what u say at face value.............where are the hits these folks produced on their own?

sorry i didnt answer earlier busy with work and holidays.
Where are the E. Street Bands hits? Where are the Family Stone hits? Where are the Rolling Stones without Jagger hits? Funk Brothers without Motown singers? EWF suffered as it lost some of it's key arrangers in the band. Not many have big hits - but individuals are part of what made the sound - and the whole band feel like it does becasue people contribute. They play off of each other. If you can't get that, you can't. What made Michael Jackson blow up? Qincy Jones as producer. Dd he WRITE the hits? Nope. Did he sinfg them? no again. But clearly his contribution moved Jackson in a direction that he had not previously. Tone of examples are had in pop music where the band, producers, writers, etc add to the best of what the lead singer does. In the case of Prince and the Revoluton I believe and hear that they brought somethong to the sound that Prince has never recaptured on his own. Which I'm ok with...people move on. But to pretend working wth other artists doesnt influence or affect on any level is ridiculous.

[Edited 12/10/14 23:03pm]

None of examples have anything 2 do with Prince. Prince was making great songs before and after the Revolution. I still don't see or hear your point.