laurarichardson said:

funksterr said:

Well, this is all my personal opinion, but I don't think Alan is wrong at all. His comments were spot on, but also completely unnecessary. Prince and 3EG are what they are, and Prince is never going to give any of us the type of music or experiences we've been imagining he might one day be open to. I realized that with NPGMusicClub. I said it again when they announced the Purple Rain outtakes. And throughout all the points when it appeared Prince might be produce new music with his protoges. It's never going to happen. Prince can't do it and still be "THE CRRREATEST LIVN' SOUL!/ THATULLEVERKNOWWWWWW!!!".

His current situation is the BEST he's going to deliver going forward. Eventually the young talents around Prince will mature some and the music will tighten up perhaps to a really high level. But Prince hates all of his old bandmembers and associates to such a degree, that if he never plays with them again, it will be too soon. Though he isn't going to actually tell them that. He pretends the door is open, but in general, he thinks he's smarter than them, richer than them, better than them, more right with God than them, etc. But frustration boils over from time to time.

They are beginning to catch on, and the best way I can describe it is that some are experiencing various parts of the 7 stages of grief over the situation, imo.

Prince blames them for negative fan reaction to his various projects and albums. He blames them for interviewing. He blames them for any and everything really. But... I think he's got it wrong. We want what we want. Prince keeps delivering a pizza with toppings nobody ordered. And then wondering why everybody is pissed. Sometimes he charges you for the pizza and NOTHING ever shows up. Sure sometimes we warm to the usual odd toppings, but 9 times out of 10, we are like, "Shit, dude, How hard is it?"

--------But Prince hates all of his old bandmembers and associates to such a degree, that if he never plays with them again, it will be too soon:"---- " This comment alone make me think you need to seek help for your issues. You know who Prince hates? He changes bands and m

Yes. Prince is capable of HATE. He is not GOD. He is a regular human being like the rest of us. And yes, he is beyond pissed that they have talked so much to the fanbase over the years. He doesn't like it. He feels like they have unraveled the mystery too much of the man behind the mask. He thinks they are eating his cake. He thinks they are traitors. If you didn't already know that, then you haven't been keeping up with all the various protoge/bandmember interviews.

funksterr said:

laurarichardson said:

--------But Prince hates all of his old bandmembers and associates to such a degree, that if he never plays with them again, it will be too soon:"---- " This comment alone make me think you need to seek help for your issues. You know who Prince hates? He changes bands and m

Yes. Prince is capable of HATE. He is not GOD. He is a regular human being like the rest of us. And yes, he is beyond pissed that they have talked so much to the fanbase over the years. He doesn't like it. He feels like they have unraveled the mystery too much of the man behind the mask. He thinks they are eating his cake. He thinks they are traitors. If you didn't already know that, then you haven't been keeping up with all the various protoge/bandmember interviews.

Which bandmembers, the ones who they themselves, on record, said that they would work or jam with Prince again if need be.

Please stop and listen to youself. You're going in on what a man thinks and feels, a man who is a complete stranger to you and who you've never met. It sounds very creepy and silly.

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

Why do you think that? I haven't heard him blame them for anything. In fact he doesn't really talk about them at all. There are however plenty of examples of them blaming him.

Prince has spoken to some of them and that's what he said in a nutshell.

Who said Prince blames them for everything negative? A source wil be great, and interesting.

[Edited 11/12/14 21:50pm]

funksterr said:

paulludvig said:

Why do you think that? I haven't heard him blame them for anything. In fact he doesn't really talk about them at all. There are however plenty of examples of them blaming him.

Prince has spoken to some of them and that's what he said in a nutshell.

Source?

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Yes. Prince is capable of HATE. He is not GOD. He is a regular human being like the rest of us. And yes, he is beyond pissed that they have talked so much to the fanbase over the years. He doesn't like it. He feels like they have unraveled the mystery too much of the man behind the mask. He thinks they are eating his cake. He thinks they are traitors. If you didn't already know that, then you haven't been keeping up with all the various protoge/bandmember interviews.

Which bandmembers, the ones who they themselves, on record, said that they would work or jam with Prince again if need be.

Please stop and listen to youself. You're going in on what a man thinks and feels, a man who is a complete stranger to you and who you've never met. It sounds very creepy and silly.

BWAHA!! I think it's you going in on what a man thinks and feels that YOU"VE never met. I'm just repeating the bulk sum of what I already read and heard. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm not Google and I can't do your research for you. I'm just repeating what was already said in radio and print interviews linked right here on Prince.org. Prince HATES all his former protoges and bandmembers. Funny thing is, his current crew talks, and leaks more info than any of the old heads ever did.

wonder505 said:

funksterr said:

Yes. Prince is capable of HATE. He is not GOD. He is a regular human being like the rest of us. And yes, he is beyond pissed that they have talked so much to the fanbase over the years. He doesn't like it. He feels like they have unraveled the mystery too much of the man behind the mask. He thinks they are eating his cake. He thinks they are traitors. If you didn't already know that, then you haven't been keeping up with all the various protoge/bandmember interviews.

Which bandmembers, the ones who they themselves, on record, said that they would work or jam with Prince again if need be.

Please stop and listen to youself. You're going in on what a man thinks and feels, a man who is a complete stranger to you and who you've never met. It sounds very creepy and silly.

Pay no mind. He will side with a ham sandwich if he thinks it's anti-Prince,

This statement is a prefect example of the silliness you referred to....

Prince keeps delivering a pizza with toppings nobody ordered. And then wondering why everybody is pissed

Everybody? In other words, he is so opinionated that he thinks he speaks for everybody.

Which brings me back to my point about Leed's opinion having no more or less value than anybody else's in 2014 despite the org worship he gets. No one is duty bound to accept something just because he said it.

babynoz said:

wonder505 said:

Which bandmembers, the ones who they themselves, on record, said that they would work or jam with Prince again if need be.

Please stop and listen to youself. You're going in on what a man thinks and feels, a man who is a complete stranger to you and who you've never met. It sounds very creepy and silly.

Pay no mind. He will side with a ham sandwich if he thinks it's anti-Prince,

This statement is a prefect example of the silliness you referred to....

Prince keeps delivering a pizza with toppings nobody ordered. And then wondering why everybody is pissed

Everybody? In other words, he is so opinionated that he thinks he speaks for everybody.

Which brings me back to my point about Leed's opinion having no more or less value than anybody else's in 2014 despite the org worship he gets. No one is duty bound to accept something just because he said it.

Not true at all. I'm a Prince fan, not a hater. I say a ton of positive things about Prince. And unlike most of the azzkissing FAMS out there, I actually buy the products good or bad. When Prince is awesome, I'm all in. But when it's less than awesome, I tend to have an opinion about it. So what?

By everybody, I mean, the vast majority of Prince fans. There are actually a ton of them out there, but they can't connect to Prince when he's all over the place musically. I happened to overhear some people talking the other day about SNL and I just laughed to myself as they thought Prince played one bad song that night instead of snippets of four. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. He's moving too fast for the fans to connect to him. To the casual Prince fans, and there are many, all these goofy style changes and side projects are just white noise. When Prince gets back to focusing his message properly, and I believe that's where Alan was coming from, he will be unstoppable.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

Pay no mind. He will side with a ham sandwich if he thinks it's anti-Prince,

This statement is a prefect example of the silliness you referred to....

Prince keeps delivering a pizza with toppings nobody ordered. And then wondering why everybody is pissed

Everybody? In other words, he is so opinionated that he thinks he speaks for everybody.

Which brings me back to my point about Leed's opinion having no more or less value than anybody else's in 2014 despite the org worship he gets. No one is duty bound to accept something just because he said it.

Not true at all. I'm a Prince fan, not a hater. I say a ton of positive things about Prince. And unlike most of the azzkissing FAMS out there, I actually buy the products good or bad. When Prince is awesome, I'm all in. But when it's less than awesome, I tend to have an opinion about it. So what?

By everybody, I mean, the vast majority of Prince fans. There are actually a ton of them out there, but they can't connect to Prince when he's all over the place musically. I happened to overhear some people talking the other day about SNL and I just laughed to myself as they thought Prince played one bad song that night instead of snippets of four. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. He's moving too fast for the fans to connect to him. To the casual Prince fans, and there are many, all these goofy style changes and side projects are just white noise. When Prince gets back to focusing his message properly, and I believe that's where Alan was coming from, he will be unstoppable.

My contention is not that you or Alan cannot have an opinion, it's that you think those opinions are carved in stone like Moses bringing the commandments down.

Having an opinion and being opinionated is not the same thing.....you are opinionated, which is what I think the statements I highlighted clearly demonstrate.

I think that P is doing great without Alan's input and that irks him.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

Pay no mind. He will side with a ham sandwich if he thinks it's anti-Prince,

This statement is a prefect example of the silliness you referred to....

Prince keeps delivering a pizza with toppings nobody ordered. And then wondering why everybody is pissed

Everybody? In other words, he is so opinionated that he thinks he speaks for everybody.

Which brings me back to my point about Leed's opinion having no more or less value than anybody else's in 2014 despite the org worship he gets. No one is duty bound to accept something just because he said it.

Not true at all. I'm a Prince fan, not a hater. I say a ton of positive things about Prince. And unlike most of the azzkissing FAMS out there, I actually buy the products good or bad. When Prince is awesome, I'm all in. But when it's less than awesome, I tend to have an opinion about it. So what?

By everybody, I mean, the vast majority of Prince fans. There are actually a ton of them out there, but they can't connect to Prince when he's all over the place musically. I happened to overhear some people talking the other day about SNL and I just laughed to myself as they thought Prince played one bad song that night instead of snippets of four. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. He's moving too fast for the fans to connect to him. To the casual Prince fans, and there are many, all these goofy style changes and side projects are just white noise. When Prince gets back to focusing his message properly, and I believe that's where Alan was coming from, he will be unstoppable.

Properly? By whose measurement?

funksterr said:

wonder505 said:

Which bandmembers, the ones who they themselves, on record, said that they would work or jam with Prince again if need be.

Please stop and listen to youself. You're going in on what a man thinks and feels, a man who is a complete stranger to you and who you've never met. It sounds very creepy and silly.

BWAHA!! I think it's you going in on what a man thinks and feels that YOU"VE never met. I'm just repeating the bulk sum of what I already read and heard. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm not Google and I can't do your research for you. I'm just repeating what was already said in radio and print interviews linked right here on Prince.org. Prince HATES all his former protoges and bandmembers. Funny thing is, his current crew talks, and leaks more info than any of the old heads ever did.

Unless you show me a source where a former bandmember said without doubt in an interview that Prince hates them you're statement is made up. Wendy and Lisa have worked with Prince in recent years. For the Bobby Z reunion they themselves were dissappointed that Prince did not play with them. Andre Cymone jammed with him recently. The O7 invited Prince to work with him for Condensate. Jill Jones just thanked Prince on Facebook.

Show me where they said that Prince hated him. SHOW ME.

The point is you dont know shit. You take a bunch of he said she said SUPPOSEDLY and present it as a fact and act like you know what and how Prince thinks when you dont know shit.

I am open to believe your statements if your show me a source.

babynoz said:

funksterr said:

Not true at all. I'm a Prince fan, not a hater. I say a ton of positive things about Prince. And unlike most of the azzkissing FAMS out there, I actually buy the products good or bad. When Prince is awesome, I'm all in. But when it's less than awesome, I tend to have an opinion about it. So what?

By everybody, I mean, the vast majority of Prince fans. There are actually a ton of them out there, but they can't connect to Prince when he's all over the place musically. I happened to overhear some people talking the other day about SNL and I just laughed to myself as they thought Prince played one bad song that night instead of snippets of four. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. He's moving too fast for the fans to connect to him. To the casual Prince fans, and there are many, all these goofy style changes and side projects are just white noise. When Prince gets back to focusing his message properly, and I believe that's where Alan was coming from, he will be unstoppable.

My contention is not that you or Alan cannot have an opinion, it's that you think those opinions are carved in stone like Moses bringing the commandments down.

Having an opinion and being opinionated is not the same thing.....you are opinionated, which is what I think the statements I highlighted clearly demonstrate.

I think that P is doing great without Alan's input and that irks him.

OK.. So it's your... opinion ... that I am... opinionated... .. I'm diggin' it though.

And yes, I think I'm absolutely correct when I say that the reason we did not get Purple Rain this year is Prince basically hates all his old band-mates and proteges.

[Edited 11/13/14 12:29pm]

Graycap23 said:

funksterr said:

Not true at all. I'm a Prince fan, not a hater. I say a ton of positive things about Prince. And unlike most of the azzkissing FAMS out there, I actually buy the products good or bad. When Prince is awesome, I'm all in. But when it's less than awesome, I tend to have an opinion about it. So what?

By everybody, I mean, the vast majority of Prince fans. There are actually a ton of them out there, but they can't connect to Prince when he's all over the place musically. I happened to overhear some people talking the other day about SNL and I just laughed to myself as they thought Prince played one bad song that night instead of snippets of four. That's the type of shit I'm talking about. He's moving too fast for the fans to connect to him. To the casual Prince fans, and there are many, all these goofy style changes and side projects are just white noise. When Prince gets back to focusing his message properly, and I believe that's where Alan was coming from, he will be unstoppable.

Properly? By whose measurement?

PE is at most half of an album? AOA is, what, 6 songs deep? Half of them not even Prince songs? And both albums came out on the same day under different brand names? Different styles of music. The SNL appearance, promoted as "Prince", they play 1/3 of a song nobody knows, from the "Prince" album featuring a lead singer from yet ANOTHER side project Prince has in the works and then 3 random songs off the 3EG record, that no one knows. Poor Liv Warfield, who has an amazing new album with Prince, is crammed in the back next to the Pro Tools rig or whatever. One could be forgiven for mistaking Liv for Shelby J, considering how much exposure Prince has given Shelby in recent years. That's just the definition of confusion. AOA.. I mean AOC.. I mean real music by real musicians... I mean ARTIFICIAL AGE.. I mean art official cage.. Something about Facebook and Icloud???...I'm paying attention to most things Prince and I don't get it. I'm sure most other people don't either.

It's not that hard to put together a strong album of potential hit material. Other artists are doing it. Prince isn't releasing focused material. You tell me. What does 3EG or Prince stand for at this point? What is the message of the music?

funksterr said:

Graycap23 said:

Properly? By whose measurement?

PE is at most half of an album? AOA is, what, 6 songs deep? Half of them not even Prince songs? And both albums came out on the same day under different brand names? Different styles of music. The SNL appearance, promoted as "Prince", they play 1/3 of a song nobody knows, from the "Prince" album featuring a lead singer from yet ANOTHER side project Prince has in the works and then 3 random songs off the 3EG record, that no one knows. Poor Liv Warfield, who has an amazing new album with Prince, is crammed in the back next to the Pro Tools rig or whatever. One could be forgiven for mistaking Liv for Shelby J, considering how much exposure Prince has given Shelby in recent years. That's just the definition of confusion. AOA.. I mean AOC.. I mean real music by real musicians... I mean ARTIFICIAL AGE.. I mean art official cage.. Something about Facebook and Icloud???...I'm paying attention to most things Prince and I don't get it. I'm sure most other people don't either.

It's not that hard to put together a strong album of potential hit material. Other artists are doing it. Prince isn't releasing focused material. You tell me. What does 3EG or Prince stand for at this point? What is the message of the music?

Ok..............apply that logic to the Billboard 200.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

My contention is not that you or Alan cannot have an opinion, it's that you think those opinions are carved in stone like Moses bringing the commandments down.

Having an opinion and being opinionated is not the same thing.....you are opinionated, which is what I think the statements I highlighted clearly demonstrate.

I think that P is doing great without Alan's input and that irks him.

OK.. So it's your... opinion ... that I am... opinionated... .. I'm diggin' it though.

And yes, I think I'm absolutely correct when I say that the reason we did not get Purple Rain this year is Prince basically hates all his old band-mates and proteges.

[Edited 11/13/14 12:29pm]

What you're missing here is that I don't purport to speak for anyone but myself....that's the difference in having an opinion and being "opinionated".

funksterr said:

Graycap23 said:

Properly? By whose measurement?

PE is at most half of an album? AOA is, what, 6 songs deep? Half of them not even Prince songs? And both albums came out on the same day under different brand names? Different styles of music. The SNL appearance, promoted as "Prince", they play 1/3 of a song nobody knows, from the "Prince" album featuring a lead singer from yet ANOTHER side project Prince has in the works and then 3 random songs off the 3EG record, that no one knows. Poor Liv Warfield, who has an amazing new album with Prince, is crammed in the back next to the Pro Tools rig or whatever. One could be forgiven for mistaking Liv for Shelby J, considering how much exposure Prince has given Shelby in recent years. That's just the definition of confusion. AOA.. I mean AOC.. I mean real music by real musicians... I mean ARTIFICIAL AGE.. I mean art official cage.. Something about Facebook and Icloud???...I'm paying attention to most things Prince and I don't get it. I'm sure most other people don't either.

It's not that hard to put together a strong album of potential hit material. Other artists are doing it. Prince isn't releasing focused material. You tell me. What does 3EG or Prince stand for at this point? What is the message of the music?

There you go again...speaking for everybody...but you're not opinionated, uh-uh, no sir.

If you don't "get it" that's all well and good but stop speaking for those who dig the new cds, which is quite a few people. Read the threads in the other forum, then go read the reviews and stop being so bombastic.

OperatingThetan said:

Zannaloaf said:

"He can only speak with authority about the eighties....other than that his opinion is no more informed than yours or mine."
no. Thats a ridiculous statement.
As much as many us fans would like we know Prince we dont, he did.

My manager from over 20 years ago knows very little about the person I am today. Just because they 'managed' me in a professional aspect wouldn't make them any more informed about my work.

I think you are mistaking someone who manages an artist the same as a shoe store manager. For one thing Alan has been around music well before Prince. And he has ears. And an opinion based on direct connection and observation. I'm betting your manager of 20 years ago might still have some insight into you if he was touring the world with you and seeing you most every day 24/7 for that tour.

babynoz said:

funksterr said:

PE is at most half of an album? AOA is, what, 6 songs deep? Half of them not even Prince songs? And both albums came out on the same day under different brand names? Different styles of music. The SNL appearance, promoted as "Prince", they play 1/3 of a song nobody knows, from the "Prince" album featuring a lead singer from yet ANOTHER side project Prince has in the works and then 3 random songs off the 3EG record, that no one knows. Poor Liv Warfield, who has an amazing new album with Prince, is crammed in the back next to the Pro Tools rig or whatever. One could be forgiven for mistaking Liv for Shelby J, considering how much exposure Prince has given Shelby in recent years. That's just the definition of confusion. AOA.. I mean AOC.. I mean real music by real musicians... I mean ARTIFICIAL AGE.. I mean art official cage.. Something about Facebook and Icloud???...I'm paying attention to most things Prince and I don't get it. I'm sure most other people don't either.

It's not that hard to put together a strong album of potential hit material. Other artists are doing it. Prince isn't releasing focused material. You tell me. What does 3EG or Prince stand for at this point? What is the message of the music?

There you go again...speaking for everybody...but you're not opinionated, uh-uh, no sir.

If you don't "get it" that's all well and good but stop speaking for those who dig the new cds, which is quite a few people. Read the threads in the other forum, then go read the reviews and stop being so bombastic.

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

Yeah. I think this is probably close to correct. He really tried to downplay the anniversary in interviews, and he very much wanted to give people something else to think about. He also said some insulting and untrue stuff about The Revolution...

Also, Alan was right about Prince in SNL. Cliche'd.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

There you go again...speaking for everybody...but you're not opinionated, uh-uh, no sir.

If you don't "get it" that's all well and good but stop speaking for those who dig the new cds, which is quite a few people. Read the threads in the other forum, then go read the reviews and stop being so bombastic.

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

That's Prince for you. Plus, I don't understand releasing a contemporary record like Art Official Age, that sounds compatible with the tastes of urban contemporary radio and not doing videos and a tour to support it. Especially when "U Know" with the right push at radio would be a big hit for him on r&b/hip hop radio formats.

Zannaloaf said:

OperatingThetan said:

My manager from over 20 years ago knows very little about the person I am today. Just because they 'managed' me in a professional aspect wouldn't make them any more informed about my work.

I think you are mistaking someone who manages an artist the same as a shoe store manager. For one thing Alan has been around music well before Prince. And he has ears. And an opinion based on direct connection and observation. I'm betting your manager of 20 years ago might still have some insight into you if he was touring the world with you and seeing you most every day 24/7 for that tour.

Plus, it seems that prince hasn't changed much as a person since Alan left...

Probably what happens when you keep life out of your life.

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

There you go again...speaking for everybody...but you're not opinionated, uh-uh, no sir.

If you don't "get it" that's all well and good but stop speaking for those who dig the new cds, which is quite a few people. Read the threads in the other forum, then go read the reviews and stop being so bombastic.

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

You have all the answers so apparently he needs you, not Alan....I'm glad that's settled,

I think I see where we differ though. I care less than a damn about the 30th anniversary of PR and if I had to choose, I'll take AOA over some 30 year old rehash event.

It's 2014.



ughhh, can't spell today

[Edited 11/15/14 9:37am]

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

There you go again...speaking for everybody...but you're not opinionated, uh-uh, no sir.

If you don't "get it" that's all well and good but stop speaking for those who dig the new cds, which is quite a few people. Read the threads in the other forum, then go read the reviews and stop being so bombastic.

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

WHERE are you getting the source of a man's thoughts???? Here you again Its like you sit there and piece together these stories of a man's thoughts based on what? why, cause you didnt get the anniversary box you wanted?

Could it be, that mabye he's sick and tired of Purple Ran as I am and he wanted to try and do something different? Could it be as simple as that? Like yeah, let me try some new beats? Could it be? I have no idea ofcourse because i'm not there in the studio with him or in the conference room with WB execs and I just dont know. (and dont care really)

Its okay to say you think he fucked up by not releasing Purple Rain Anniversary Edition, but I dont get where you assume what Prince or anyone you dont know thinks, and this grand story of yours of a stranger's intent.

[Edited 11/15/14 10:25am]

JudasLChrist said:

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

Yeah. I think this is probably close to correct. He really tried to downplay the anniversary in interviews, and he very much wanted to give people something else to think about. He also said some insulting and untrue stuff about The Revolution...

Also, Alan was right about Prince in SNL. Cliche'd.

He probably downplayed it because he doesnt care about it. I personally am over it.

JudasLChrist said:

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

Yeah. I think this is probably close to correct. He really tried to downplay the anniversary in interviews, and he very much wanted to give people something else to think about. He also said some insulting and untrue stuff about The Revolution...

Also, Alan was right about Prince in SNL. Cliche'd.

Like what?

funksterr said:

babynoz said:

It was ridiculous to release these albums this year. They albums are at best a mixed bag of bland tunes. Some of it is better than OK, but mediocrity can wait. This was the 30th anniversary of Purple Rain. An event that I believe he told folks to get ready for. Save the date. But then he did NOTHING! I believe he sat on Purple Rain all year, out of spite. I believe he's overly impressed with Joshua's beats, thought he had Top Ten Pop hits on his new records, and forced WB to release them instead. I think he couldn't wait to throw his success back in some folk's faces. But he fucked himself with these half-assed albums that WB can't sell. And he's fucked up the promotion momentum of Purple Rain too. All those 'Remember when' pr pieces didn't just come out of nowhere. Prince let his predjudice and hate for The Revolution and protoges get the best of him and fucked up everybody's money this year, including his own.

I'm still trying to figure out where you got that idea?

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

Yeah. I think this is probably close to correct. He really tried to downplay the anniversary in interviews, and he very much wanted to give people something else to think about. He also said some insulting and untrue stuff about The Revolution...

Also, Alan was right about Prince in SNL. Cliche'd.

Like what?

Oh, I'm thinking about him saying that The Revolution couln't improvise. I literally have hours of Revolution rehearsals in my collection where they improvise, and many if not all the songs he wrote with them that ended up on record came from improvisations.

Can you imagine being a bandmember and reading that? After all that time rehearsing with him and doing music 24/7? It was totally a cunty thing for him to say, and everyine knows it's not true.

Also, his current band aint all that. It's one thing to argue consider the merits of the Revolution vs. Sign/Lovesxy band or early NPG, even. But 3rd Eye Girl doesn't have anything on The Revolution.

JudasLChrist said:

paulludvig said:

Like what?

Oh, I'm thinking about him saying that The Revolution couln't improvise. I literally have hours of Revolution rehearsals in my collection where they improvise, and many if not all the songs he wrote with them that ended up on record came from improvisations.

Can you imagine being a bandmember and reading that? After all that time rehearsing with him and doing music 24/7? It was totally a cunty thing for him to say, and everyine knows it's not true.

Also, his current band aint all that. It's one thing to argue consider the merits of the Revolution vs. Sign/Lovesxy band or early NPG, even. But 3rd Eye Girl doesn't have anything on The Revolution.

I've heard the same rehearsals and what you call improvisation is basically Prince telling the bandmembers what to do.

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

Oh, I'm thinking about him saying that The Revolution couln't improvise. I literally have hours of Revolution rehearsals in my collection where they improvise, and many if not all the songs he wrote with them that ended up on record came from improvisations.

Can you imagine being a bandmember and reading that? After all that time rehearsing with him and doing music 24/7? It was totally a cunty thing for him to say, and everyine knows it's not true.

Also, his current band aint all that. It's one thing to argue consider the merits of the Revolution vs. Sign/Lovesxy band or early NPG, even. But 3rd Eye Girl doesn't have anything on The Revolution.

I've heard the same rehearsals and what you call improvisation is basically Prince telling the bandmembers what to do.

Calling out changes isn't telling people what to play. It's absurd to say that that band couldn't play.

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JudasLChrist said:

Calling out changes isn't telling people what to play.

paulludvig said:

I've heard the same rehearsals and what you call improvisation is basically Prince telling the bandmembers what to do.

What is it then? If anything you could argue that Prince is doing the improvisation using the band as his instrument.

paulludvig said:

JudasLChrist said:

Calling out changes isn't telling people what to play.

What is it then? If anything you could argue that Prince is doing the improvisation using the band as his instrument.

I'm gonna surmise that you are not a musician. I am. Improvisation doesn't mean that everyone just takes off free form. Structures are put in place and musicians improvise around a form.

But really, I refuse to have this argument. What it's really about is is that fammy fans have a bug up their ass about The Revolution. Screw that. Everybody in that band brought soemthing to the table, and they were mosntrous as a unit. Prince was the bandleader, but that doesn't mean the band didn't have skills.

[Edited 11/15/14 12:47pm]